Dodecad K12b Ancient West Eurasia [by Eupedia Team]

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Stuvane: Same here, all ancient samples. I stopped at the Sicilian_Bell Beaker, don't wont to leave out my ancient cannoli and arancini friend. R52 and R56 have always had the top 2 spots in every run.

Distance to:PalermoTrapani
2.76190152R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.81037364R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.27177322R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
3.34701359R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
3.84983117R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
4.10471680R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
4.16370028R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.18976133R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
4.32090268R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
4.40341913Szolad40
4.54783465R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
4.57668002R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
4.82952379R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.83867751R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.03103369R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
5.08341421Collegno121
5.30245226R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.32897739R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.43089311R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
5.46635162R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.50746766R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.68175149R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
5.70777540R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
5.90403252R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.04601522R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
6.17554046R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.46672251R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
6.74800711R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
6.76732591R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.77646663R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.20115963R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
7.28579440R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.55757898CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53
7.62057741R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
8.11539894R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
8.21912404R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
8.33180653R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
8.41816488I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi
8.85745449R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
9.01662354R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.08190509Collegno25
9.08267582R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
9.08880080R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
9.26807963R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
9.27144541Collegno110
9.42151262R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
9.64398258Szolad19
9.72580588ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
9.79056178I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
9.94731119R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.97097789R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
10.00080497R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
10.29666451Szolad36
10.36353704R45_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
10.71806886ScythianMoldova_SCY300
11.38594748Szolad31
11.49942172R133__Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
11.55112549I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
11.56716473R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS
11.63612049R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
11.71591652Collegno38
11.85023628Collegno30
12.16258607Szolad37
12.24358199I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus
12.28268293R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
12.32164762I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
12.32797226R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
12.33247745R80_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
12.46343452I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
12.64327489ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
12.75264286R123_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
12.77108844R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
12.80481941Collegno36
12.80763444R1545_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
12.84361320I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
12.87494078R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
12.99809217I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
13.14625422R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
13.23641568R850_Iron_Age_Ardea
13.25961161R40_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
13.54447120R134_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
13.54778949R1543_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
13.59141273ASH068_Iron_Age1
13.62262456I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese
13.63247226R66_Imperial_Era_ANAS
13.67620927Szolad43
13.67693314I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
13.91724470I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
13.96867209I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
14.00911489I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
14.24994035R73_Imperial_Era_ANAS
14.38200612I3980_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
14.52848581R41_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
14.86477380I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
15.05615821Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
15.21495974I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
15.61245336I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta
15.76962587ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305
15.81303260I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
16.29658246I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
16.42560501I3807_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
16.42978089ANI159_ANI181_Varna
16.54641653R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
16.60320451Szolad1
16.70511000Collegno23
16.83746418I2499_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta
17.04939588I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi
17.08555823I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
17.09368012CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41
17.27937210R130_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
17.34458129I1706_AG98_2_Early_Bronze_Age
17.40331865R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
17.51228997R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
17.59496235I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
17.61388089LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576
17.63311657R75_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
17.63358160R72_Imperial_Era_ANAS
17.71219919I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge
17.78634308HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647
17.85565737Kumtepe004_Anatolian
17.87940435I0679_Krepost_Neolithic
18.01735552I1584_Barcın_Höyük_Chalcolithic
18.04210354I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
18.20627639Kumtepe006_Anatolian
18.25766688I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
18.28067559Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge
18.28574035I2424_Balkans_Chalcolithic
18.29202285R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
18.29629197I2427_Balkans_Chalcolithic
18.31004369I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
18.31167114MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425
18.36492853I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
18.39318352I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
18.41013036ASH067_Iron_Age1
18.57208389LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3581
18.67874996I3582_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
18.67918628Szolad35
18.70885619I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
18.80224189R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
18.86455406I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
18.86455406SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515
18.88968766HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644
18.89246675I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
18.91112900I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
18.94445565I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
19.22978939Szolad28
19.23503834I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
19.24926232HispanoRomanMaghrebiCordobaCaliphate_I7497
19.25356850R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
19.32237563I3579_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
19.36787288R128_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
19.50048205I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana
19.53551126I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II
19.55444962I2430_Balkans_Chalcolithic
19.60122955IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498
19.65921667I1632_AR1/46_Middle_Late_Chalcolithic_Vayots-Dzor_Armenia
19.79989646I7807_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana
19.88351076Collegno31
19.93611045CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457
19.98692823I2683_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta
19.99103549I2431_Balkans_Chalcolithic
20.02307669I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II
20.05352338R70_Imperial_Era_ANAS
20.11438789I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
20.19769789I4383_Sicily_EBA_lowcov_Vallone_Inferno
20.29788659I10373_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
20.37579692I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
20.58426341Scythian_SCY311
20.67843563I4109_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II
20.69572178I12223_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi
20.69839849I0706_Balkans_Neolithic
20.72054536R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
20.72742628I3123_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II
20.77792097I4089_Balkans_Chalcolithic
20.83430824I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana
20.87168656ANI152_Varna
20.92535065I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily
 
Here are my results with all samples, sans post-Iron Age Roman, Crusader, Collegno, and Szolad samples:

Distance to:Jovialis
7.16297424ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
7.54746315R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
9.30852835ScythianMoldova_SCY300
9.40424372I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
10.01049949ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
11.09522420ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305
11.65650033I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
13.15944908I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
13.23106950I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi
14.30092305I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
14.42027739R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
14.50908681I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
14.54204937R850_Iron_Age_Ardea
14.73361802I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
14.80892636I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
15.44085814I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
15.67710432I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
15.93528475I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
15.98208372I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
16.04018080Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
16.07932213I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese
16.14707094I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
16.24442366I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
16.46734344I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus
16.47135089I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE

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thanks

do you have this sample ERS256892 or any other ERS ancient sample ?
 
Stuvane: Same here, all ancient samples. I stopped at the Sicilian_Bell Beaker, don't wont to leave out my ancient cannoli and arancini friend. R52 and R56 have always had the top 2 spots in every run.

Distance to:PalermoTrapani
2.76190152R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.81037364R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
3.27177322R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
3.34701359R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
3.84983117R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
4.10471680R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
4.16370028R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.18976133R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
4.32090268R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
4.40341913Szolad40
4.54783465R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
4.57668002R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
4.82952379R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.83867751R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.03103369R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
5.08341421Collegno121
5.30245226R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.32897739R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.43089311R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
5.46635162R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.50746766R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.68175149R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
5.70777540R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
5.90403252R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.04601522R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
6.17554046R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.46672251R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
6.74800711R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina
6.76732591R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.77646663R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.20115963R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
7.28579440R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.55757898CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53
7.62057741R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
8.11539894R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
8.21912404R137_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
8.33180653R30_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
8.41816488I12220_Sardinia_LateAntiquity_Grotta_Colombi
8.85745449R50_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
9.01662354R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.08190509Collegno25
9.08267582R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
9.08880080R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
9.26807963R114_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
9.27144541Collegno110
9.42151262R125_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
9.64398258Szolad19
9.72580588ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
9.79056178I4054_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
9.94731119R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.97097789R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
10.00080497R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
10.29666451Szolad36
10.36353704R45_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
10.71806886ScythianMoldova_SCY300
11.38594748Szolad31
11.49942172R133__Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
11.55112549I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
11.56716473R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS
11.63612049R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
11.71591652Collegno38
11.85023628Collegno30
12.16258607Szolad37
12.24358199I10366_Sardinia_IA_Usellus
12.28268293R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
12.32164762I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
12.32797226R81_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
12.33247745R80_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
12.46343452I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Peloponnese
12.64327489ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
12.75264286R123_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
12.77108844R34_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
12.80481941Collegno36
12.80763444R1545_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
12.84361320I7499_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
12.87494078R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
12.99809217I3808_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
13.14625422R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
13.23641568R850_Iron_Age_Ardea
13.25961161R40_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
13.54447120R134_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
13.54778949R1543_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
13.59141273ASH068_Iron_Age1
13.62262456I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Peloponnese
13.63247226R66_Imperial_Era_ANAS
13.67620927Szolad43
13.67693314I7500_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
13.91724470I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
13.96867209I7424_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
14.00911489I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
14.24994035R73_Imperial_Era_ANAS
14.38200612I3980_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
14.52848581R41_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
14.86477380I3983_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE
15.05615821Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
15.21495974I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
15.61245336I2495_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta
15.76962587ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305
15.81303260I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
16.29658246I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
16.42560501I3807_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
16.42978089ANI159_ANI181_Varna
16.54641653R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
16.60320451Szolad1
16.70511000Collegno23
16.83746418I2499_Bronze_Age_Anatolian_Harmanӧren-GӧndürleHӧyük_Isparta
17.04939588I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi
17.08555823I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
17.09368012CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41
17.27937210R130_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro
17.34458129I1706_AG98_2_Early_Bronze_Age
17.40331865R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
17.51228997R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
17.59496235I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
17.61388089LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576
17.63311657R75_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
17.63358160R72_Imperial_Era_ANAS
17.71219919I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge
17.78634308HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647
17.85565737Kumtepe004_Anatolian
17.87940435I0679_Krepost_Neolithic
18.01735552I1584_Barcın_Höyük_Chalcolithic
18.04210354I3876_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
18.20627639Kumtepe006_Anatolian
18.25766688I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
18.28067559Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge
18.28574035I2424_Balkans_Chalcolithic
18.29202285R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
18.29629197I2427_Balkans_Chalcolithic
18.31004369I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
18.31167114MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425
18.36492853I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
18.39318352I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
18.41013036ASH067_Iron_Age1
18.57208389LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3581
18.67874996I3582_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
18.67918628Szolad35
18.70885619I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
18.80224189R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
18.86455406I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
18.86455406SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515
18.88968766HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644
18.89246675I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
18.91112900I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
18.94445565I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
19.22978939Szolad28
19.23503834I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
19.24926232HispanoRomanMaghrebiCordobaCaliphate_I7497
19.25356850R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
19.32237563I3579_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE
19.36787288R128_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
19.50048205I7800_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana
19.53551126I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II
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@Palermo Trapani

I would not say nonsense, and I never know how methodologically correct it is to use so many samples from even distant ages (probably not). But when I see that in these oracles some samples or combinations are recalled with a certain recurrence (well characterized historically and geographically), it becomes legitimate to me to suppose that the autosomal of some regional realities (and of each of us) was formed and stabilized in precise epochs, according to demographic and population patterns, now linear, now more complex, but also according to different timelines. For some cases, these are presences and mixtures originating almost completely in the protohistoric age with little external contributions, in other cases the "cocktail" was shaken in the height of antiquity or even in the Middle Ages, fusing older substrates with more recent superstrates in a more significant way...


However imperfect and with their limitations, since they work on rough statistics, these are tools that can provide interesting indications. If I remember correctly, the coordinates of a friend of mine (he's from a rather peripheral and isolated area of ​​northern Italy), once made to run here, returned very high similarities to archaic samples, leaving the much more recent samples far behind. Maybe it's a coincidence or maybe not.
In your case I see that the most representative are the samples from the imperial and late antiquity, you are perhaps "son" of the most mature age in Rome :)
 
@Palermo Trapani

I would not say nonsense, and I never know how methodologically correct it is to use so many samples from even distant ages (probably not). But when I see that in these oracles some samples or combinations are recalled with a certain recurrence (well characterized historically and geographically), it becomes legitimate to me to suppose that the autosomal of some regional realities (and of each of us) was formed and stabilized in precise epochs, according to demographic and population patterns, now linear, now more complex, but also according to different timelines. For some cases, these are presences and mixtures originating almost completely in the protohistoric age with little external contributions, in other cases the "cocktail" was shaken in the height of antiquity or even in the Middle Ages, fusing older substrates with more recent superstrates in a more significant way...


However imperfect and with their limitations, since they work on rough statistics, these are tools that can provide interesting indications. If I remember correctly, the coordinates of a friend of mine (he's from a rather peripheral and isolated area of ​​northern Italy), once made to run here, returned very high similarities to archaic samples, leaving the much more recent samples far behind. Maybe it's a coincidence or maybe not.
In your case I see that the most representative are the samples from the imperial and late antiquity, you are perhaps "son" of the most mature age in Rome :)

When I run all of my RawData, R58 - R59 are closer to me than myself.

... I’m thinking Reincarnation :) lol

TPWUZDt.jpg


1zXGmsH.jpg


... or maybe the ancient samples quality.

(logic can be boring) :grin:
 
@Palermo Trapani

I would not say nonsense, and I never know how methodologically correct it is to use so many samples from even distant ages (probably not). But when I see that in these oracles some samples or combinations are recalled with a certain recurrence (well characterized historically and geographically), it becomes legitimate to me to suppose that the autosomal of some regional realities (and of each of us) was formed and stabilized in precise epochs, according to demographic and population patterns, now linear, now more complex, but also according to different timelines. For some cases, these are presences and mixtures originating almost completely in the protohistoric age with little external contributions, in other cases the "cocktail" was shaken in the height of antiquity or even in the Middle Ages, fusing older substrates with more recent superstrates in a more significant way...


However imperfect and with their limitations, since they work on rough statistics, these are tools that can provide interesting indications. If I remember correctly, the coordinates of a friend of mine (he's from a rather peripheral and isolated area of ​​northern Italy), once made to run here, returned very high similarities to archaic samples, leaving the much more recent samples far behind. Maybe it's a coincidence or maybe not.
In your case I see that the most representative are the samples from the imperial and late antiquity, you are perhaps "son" of the most mature age in Rome :)

Stuvane: Hey thanks for the well thought out post. I have absolutely have no problem being a son of the most mature age of Rome! I too, like you and your friend, am amazed how much I seem to cluster, I guess is the best term I could use, with Imperial and Late Antiquity individual Romans more so than modern Italian populations from the Regions of Sicily, Campania, Abbruzzo, which I get distances of under 5 consistently. At some level when I did my DNA testing I my ex ante predictions were I would show clustering with Greeks more so, and I do show affinity with Greeks as well as on National Geographic my 2 closest modern Reference populations are Modern Italians (Tuscany is the reference population they use) and Modern Greeks (I am not sure where National Geographic got their Greek Reference population).

Btw, I hope you and your family are doing well in Milan at this time. Stay safe.
 
When I run all of my RawData, R58 - R59 are closer to me than myself.

... I’m thinking Reincarnation :) lol

TPWUZDt.jpg


1zXGmsH.jpg


... or maybe the ancient samples quality.

(logic can be boring) :grin:


Good one! Cheers.
 
Stuvane: Hey thanks for the well thought out post. I have absolutely have no problem being a son of the most mature age of Rome! I too, like you and your friend, am amazed how much I seem to cluster, I guess is the best term I could use, with Imperial and Late Antiquity individual Romans more so than modern Italian populations from the Regions of Sicily, Campania, Abbruzzo, which I get distances of under 5 consistently. At some level when I did my DNA testing I my ex ante predictions were I would show clustering with Greeks more so, and I do show affinity with Greeks as well as on National Geographic my 2 closest modern Reference populations are Modern Italians (Tuscany is the reference population they use) and Modern Greeks (I am not sure where National Geographic got their Greek Reference population).

Btw, I hope you and your family are doing well in Milan at this time. Stay safe.

@ Salento: lol ... ahaha you conduct anthrogenic research directly with the time machine and/or spirit sessions :)))


@ Palermo Trapani: thanks, we're fine here, locked in the house (for now!). I hope the same for you. Keep it up! :)


What you say is very interesting. Perhaps in the past few decades a certain somewhat scholastic and approximate historical disclosure made the southern Italians "Greeks" in all respects, while the latest research seems to me to make us understand that reality is a little more intricate and complex. Perhaps at the outset a genetic composition already existed in the South which could already be very similar to that one of the archaic Greeks, but which arose locally. Certainly the "Greek" component properly called in the classical age was important and decisive along the coastal areas, but in the hinterland other peoples gravitated, and a local "Italic" element (pre-Roman or Roman) in their composition must however be considered, in a non-secondary way and was never undone.
After that, we can roughly hold the results of Moots' recent paper on the genetic composition of Rome in the last millennia which sees the main part of the late ancient Romans rather shifted towards Greece and the eastern Mediterranean. I believe that in the South this "late antiquity" picture persisted even in the early Middle Ages for at least 3-4 centuries especially between Sicily and Calabria, and from there it has not moved much, as if some "open tap" had been maintained with Greece and with the Levant: the fugitives from mainland Greece due to the sixth century Slavic invasions, as described in the "Chronicle of Monemvasia", other arrivals of Greeks or Greek-Syrians from the Levant with the advent and Islamic expansion against the Byzantine empire, the iconoclastic crisis ...
 
@ Salento: lol ... ahaha you conduct anthrogenic research directly with the time machine and/or spirit sessions :)))


@ Palermo Trapani: thanks, we're fine here, locked in the house (for now!). I hope the same for you. Keep it up! :)


What you say is very interesting. Perhaps in the past few decades a certain somewhat scholastic and approximate historical disclosure made the southern Italians "Greeks" in all respects, while the latest research seems to me to make us understand that reality is a little more intricate and complex. Perhaps at the outset a genetic composition already existed in the South which could already be very similar to that one of the archaic Greeks, but which arose locally. Certainly the "Greek" component properly called in the classical age was important and decisive along the coastal areas, but in the hinterland other peoples gravitated, and a local "Italic" element (pre-Roman or Roman) in their composition must however be considered, in a non-secondary way and was never undone.
After that, we can roughly hold the results of Moots' recent paper on the genetic composition of Rome in the last millennia which sees the main part of the late ancient Romans rather shifted towards Greece and the eastern Mediterranean. I believe that in the South this "late antiquity" picture persisted even in the early Middle Ages for at least 3-4 centuries especially between Sicily and Calabria, and from there it has not moved much, as if some "open tap" had been maintained with Greece and with the Levant: the fugitives from mainland Greece due to the sixth century Slavic invasions, as described in the "Chronicle of Monemvasia", other arrivals of Greeks or Greek-Syrians from the Levant with the advent and Islamic expansion against the Byzantine empire, the iconoclastic crisis ...

If the Moots paper taught us anything, it's that the "change" in the area of Rome started taking place in the time of the Republic, and was pretty complete by the Imperial Era. After that, in Late Antiquity to the Medieval period, the "tail to the Levant" disappeared.

Whether that wasn't the case in the South is something which must wait for ancient dna from the South ranging from the Neolithic to the present day, and including the Medieval period during which the Muslims dominated Sicily for over two hundred years.

I can say that my husband, whose account I manage, is mostly Calabrian (three-quarters). He is extremely close to many of the Imperial Era "Romans" found in the Moots sample, but not to the ones who place in the Levant. So, there's no evidence of any "open tap" which has continued to affect his genetics beyond that time, and his ancestry is from Reggio Calabria, so Sikeliot's musings about this supposed huge movement of Sicilians to Calabria certainly didn't affect him. (Fwiw, to my knowledge most of the migration was in the opposite direction, as when Calabrians went in to settle in Messina after it was destroyed in the earthquake.)

Big changes in genomic structure come from folk migrations, not a few thousand refugees.

Even the Longobardi, who did arrive as a folk migration, didn't make a huge dent in Italy. All one has to do is look at the ydna.

I know of no evidence whatsoever for the movement of such large numbers of Greeks, either from the mainland or "Syria", that they could change the genetic composition of Southern Italians.

These are the musings of people like Sikeliot, whatever name he goes by currently here, and maybe that racist mad man from Lombardia, but it's not science.
 
@ Salento: lol ... ahaha you conduct anthrogenic research directly with the time machine and/or spirit sessions :)))


@ Palermo Trapani: thanks, we're fine here, locked in the house (for now!). I hope the same for you. Keep it up! :)


What you say is very interesting. Perhaps in the past few decades a certain somewhat scholastic and approximate historical disclosure made the southern Italians "Greeks" in all respects, while the latest research seems to me to make us understand that reality is a little more intricate and complex. Perhaps at the outset a genetic composition already existed in the South which could already be very similar to that one of the archaic Greeks, but which arose locally. Certainly the "Greek" component properly called in the classical age was important and decisive along the coastal areas, but in the hinterland other peoples gravitated, and a local "Italic" element (pre-Roman or Roman) in their composition must however be considered, in a non-secondary way and was never undone.
After that, we can roughly hold the results of Moots' recent paper on the genetic composition of Rome in the last millennia which sees the main part of the late ancient Romans rather shifted towards Greece and the eastern Mediterranean. I believe that in the South this "late antiquity" picture persisted even in the early Middle Ages for at least 3-4 centuries especially between Sicily and Calabria, and from there it has not moved much, as if some "open tap" had been maintained with Greece and with the Levant: the fugitives from mainland Greece due to the sixth century Slavic invasions, as described in the "Chronicle of Monemvasia", other arrivals of Greeks or Greek-Syrians from the Levant with the advent and Islamic expansion against the Byzantine empire, the iconoclastic crisis ...

I think the Greek ancestry is there in Sicily as the rest of the South, but I think the Greeks and many Italians seem to share many of the same Source populations, significant EEF, and what else? maybe CHG and Iran Neolithic, but there does seem to be this ancient Italic ancestry that was in Sicily even before the Greeks and Romans got there. Nobody disputes the Sicels were from the mainland of Southern Italy closely related to the Oenotrians. The Elymi, appear to me to be more and more related to the Ligures. The Sicani still not sure but this recent paper indicating the Steppe ancestry that reached Sicily early on seems to have come from Iberia might suggest the Sicani were Iberians as some of the ancient historians claimed. Other Italic Tribes that were in Sicily include the Ausonians and Mamertini who were from Campania and Morgete from Calabria, who were related to the Sicels. So yes the Pheonicians set up sea ports in the West, did not colonize, and the Greeks colonized all the way to Segesta and Selinunte in Trapani. So when the Romans get there in late 3rd century BC and Sicily is part of the Roman empire till 5th century, the DNA of Sicily seems to be in place. After fall of Western Empire, Sicily is then under the Eastern Roman Empire to the Saracen invasion which was followed by the Normans who brought in mainland Roman Catholic Priests to staff all the closed Churches and many of these Priests Parents and siblings must came in as well. Seems like they came from Rome, maybe Tuscany, some maybe from Genoa and Milan maybe. So despite some changes here and there, the genetic continuity seems to have been relatively stable over the last 3 millennia. As to who this Sikeliot fellow Angela talks about, I have heard about him and some of his posts are still archived here. He does seem to have an axe to grind with Sicilians and Southern Italians with his Levant hypothesis being the dominate Source DNA. I just don't think that is true. Some Levant admixture, yes, going back to Pheonicians and re-entering during Saracen invasion but every study I read puts the Levant/North-African Phoenician admixture in the 4-5% range.

No doubt there were Greek Orthodox fleeing Islamic invasions from both Greece, Constantinople and Albania starting in the 14th century and up to the 15th century. I have noted this before, but on my maternal side, one of the my Great Grandparents was baptized in an Eastern Rite Catholic Church in Sicily, Byzantine Catholic church in communion with Rome. By Byzantine I am referring to the Liturgical Tradition of of the Church, not getting into Greek vs. Albanian rivals, which in my case, when I run Dodecad 12b updated, they both show up in my like top 25 modern distances.
 
If the Moots paper taught us anything, it's that the "change" in the area of Rome started taking place in the time of the Republic, and was pretty complete by the Imperial Era. After that, in Late Antiquity to the Medieval period, the "tail to the Levant" disappeared.

Whether that wasn't the case in the South is something which must wait for ancient dna from the South ranging from the Neolithic to the present day, and including the Medieval period during which the Muslims dominated Sicily for over two hundred years.

I can say that my husband, whose account I manage, is mostly Calabrian (three-quarters). He is extremely close to many of the Imperial Era "Romans" found in the Moots sample, but not to the ones who place in the Levant. So, there's no evidence of any "open tap" which has continued to affect his genetics beyond that time, and his ancestry is from Reggio Calabria, so Sikeliot's musings about this supposed huge movement of Sicilians to Calabria certainly didn't affect him. (Fwiw, to my knowledge most of the migration was in the opposite direction, as when Calabrians went in to settle in Messina after it was destroyed in the earthquake.)

Big changes in genomic structure come from folk migrations, not a few thousand refugees.

Even the Longobardi, who did arrive as a folk migration, didn't make a huge dent in Italy. All one has to do is look at the ydna.

I know of no evidence whatsoever for the movement of such large numbers of Greeks, either from the mainland or "Syria", that they could change the genetic composition of Southern Italians.

These are the musings of people like Sikeliot, whatever name he goes by currently here, and maybe that racist mad man from Lombardia, but it's not science.

@Angela, @ Palermo Trapani


yes, it's true: the paper by Moots in the end concerns only the case of Rome. My imprecision, it was not the rule, is not a thing to generalize, but scrolling for example the late antiquity and Byzantine prosopographic lists a certain variety of allochthonous presences along the Peninsula is present (in the North as in the South), probably quite superficial but not even zero.
I didn't want to marry the thesis of Sikeliotis & co, but only to show some hypotheses that are often proposed in Byzantine history and linguistics to justify the persistent and almost stainless "Greekness" (or close proximity to "Greekness") of the 'Southern Italy.
Check the cards for example of various names in the Ethnicity section of the PBE by Martindale (list of Greek, Isaurian, Syrian) or in the List of locations (Sicily or other places ...).
The most famous case is perhaps Pope Sergius I and his father Tiberius, Syrian natives, but first documented in Palermo


Nothing apodictic, nothing definitive, but the Byzantinists split their brains over these matters :)


http://www.storiaromanaebizantina.it/litalia-meridionale-bizantina-migrazioni-societa-e-conflitti/

http://www.pbe.kcl.ac.uk/data/index.htm
 
@Angela, @ Palermo Trapani


yes, it's true: the paper by Moots in the end concerns only the case of Rome. My imprecision, it was not the rule, is not a thing to generalize, but scrolling for example the late antiquity and Byzantine prosopographic lists a certain variety of allochthonous presences along the Peninsula is present (in the North as in the South), probably quite superficial but not even zero.
I didn't want to marry the thesis of Sikeliotis & co, but only to show some hypotheses that are often proposed in Byzantine history and linguistics to justify the persistent and almost stainless "Greekness" (or close proximity to "Greekness") of the 'Southern Italy.
Check the cards for example of various names in the Ethnicity section of the PBE by Martindale (list of Greek, Isaurian, Syrian) or in the List of locations (Sicily or other places ...).
The most famous case is perhaps Pope Sergius I and his father Tiberius, Syrian natives, but first documented in Palermo


Nothing apodictic, nothing definitive, but the Byzantinists split their brains over these matters :)


http://www.storiaromanaebizantina.it/litalia-meridionale-bizantina-migrazioni-societa-e-conflitti/

http://www.pbe.kcl.ac.uk/data/index.htm


Stuvane: No I took nothing in your post to be pushing this Sikeliot fellow and his toadies. For the record, I early on when I first registered here got caught up in a thread where this guy under an alias or one of his toadies got me into one these types of threads and I posted stuff that overlapped multiple forum topics into one post. My ignorance of the rules was my own fault for the record. As a result, I was sort of lumped in with this Sikeliot guy and his cohort, mistakenly and I can see why this fellow caught a lot of heat from the Advisors and Mods with his anti Sicilian and Southern Italian nonsense. I have no problem with honest discussion of DNA but it do it with legitimate academic research, not agendas based on pseudo Science. And I tend to stay in my own lane so to speak here on Eupedia. Mostly I stay with the ancient DNA stuff and DNA forums dealing with Italy only, sometimes Greek. If I get comfortable posting with someone who is not of Italian ancestry, then yes I may correspond with them. Two posters I enjoy discussing topics with are Carlos from Spain and Duarte From Brazil. As for Sikeliot and Company types, probably a good thing this guy is no longer here or Mods and Advisors have got him under control as my Sicilian temper might get the best of me (Americano-Siciliano that is). My favorite TV show is Commassario Montalbano and I would likely end up responding to that guy the way Montalbano does to his Deputy Mimi Augello when he gets ticked off at Mimi. I must confess, I know Luca the actor that Plays Montalbano is from Rome but he says that saying (which I will not say here) with a Sicilian flare!. If you watch the Show you know what I am getting at (hopefully I want get a minus for this). I have run into the thesis that Sikeliot and Co and people who push it on other blogs (ItalianAnthro is one) and Youtube videos so I have to watch my temper with those types. But like I said, I personally took nothing wrong in your post. You were among the first people here that I think I was able to discuss results with respect to these Ancient Samples that the Eupedia team put together so I appreciate that.
 
Stuvane: No I took nothing in your post to be pushing this Sikeliot fellow and his toadies. For the record, I early on when I first registered here got caught up in a thread where this guy under an alias or one of his toadies got me into one these types of threads and I posted stuff that overlapped multiple forum topics into one post. My ignorance of the rules was my own fault for the record. As a result, I was sort of lumped in with this Sikeliot guy and his cohort, mistakenly and I can see why this fellow caught a lot of heat from the Advisors and Mods with his anti Sicilian and Southern Italian nonsense. I have no problem with honest discussion of DNA but it do it with legitimate academic research, not agendas based on pseudo Science. And I tend to stay in my own lane so to speak here on Eupedia. Mostly I stay with the ancient DNA stuff and DNA forums dealing with Italy only, sometimes Greek. If I get comfortable posting with someone who is not of Italian ancestry, then yes I may correspond with them. Two posters I enjoy discussing topics with are Carlos from Spain and Duarte From Brazil. As for Sikeliot and Company types, probably a good thing this guy is no longer here or Mods and Advisors have got him under control as my Sicilian temper might get the best of me (Americano-Siciliano that is). My favorite TV show is Commassario Montalbano and I would likely end up responding to that guy the way Montalbano does to his Deputy Mimi Augello when he gets ticked off at Mimi. I must confess, I know Luca the actor that Plays Montalbano is from Rome but he says that saying (which I will not say here) with a Sicilian flare!. If you watch the Show you know what I am getting at (hopefully I want get a minus for this). I have run into the thesis that Sikeliot and Co and people who push it on other blogs (ItalianAnthro is one) and Youtube videos so I have to watch my temper with those types. But like I said, I personally took nothing wrong in your post. You were among the first people here that I think I was able to discuss results with respect to these Ancient Samples that the Eupedia team put together so I appreciate that.

@Palermo Trapani,

I am the first to lean towards very local phenomena. (But sometimes my old academic deformations and reminiscences of my PhD wake up and they want to elbow around ;P )
PS. I like very much Montalbano series. I'm a fan of Mimì Augello, but my absolute top is Dr. Pasquano, the late and irascible coroner :LOL:
 
@Palermo Trapani,

I am the first to lean towards very local phenomena. (But sometimes my old academic deformations and reminiscences of my PhD wake up and they want to elbow around ;P )
PS. I like very much Montalbano series. I'm a fan of Mimì Augello, but my absolute top is Dr. Pasquano, the late and irascible coroner :LOL:

Dr. Pasquano is/was a great character, unfortunately Marcello Perracchio past away in 2017 and last summer both Andrea Camilleri and Sironi (Director of all the Movies) past away. I hope going forward the new movies with a new Director and Camilleri no longer available to consult are up the standard that was set in the past.

As for the local phenomena, I agree. Angela mentioned the Antonio/Moots et al 2019 paper on ancient Romans and I think if a paper would do a longitudinal study in Sicily starting with the WHG Samples, the Sicilian Bell Beaker Sample (who had no Steppe), the Steppe admixture, then Pheonician/Greek/Roman era well into the Kingdom to Two Sicilies/Naples era, the results would be similar. 1)WHG for a long time then 2) EEF-Anatolian type ancestry dominates then 3) Some Steppe ancestry which in Sicily includes some CHG and Iran type ancestry and over time there are some subtle shifts here and there, etc. As Angela noted it would be good to see what happened during the Saracen period then what happened right after they were expelled and the Normans along with mainland Italian families came in with there Roman Rite Sons who were Priests and then some additional Greek/Albanian influx. So looking at the Sicilian data over a long time-series I think it would show again the same type pattern as the data from the Roman paper and the samples would plot within the same general area with some slight shifts here and there.
 
IMO, just looking at two cemeteries outside of the city of Rome, and claiming it says something about the peninsula as a whole, creates a tyranny of averages.

Also, there are "Imperial Romans" that plot in Northern, and Southern Italian clusters; areas that are consistent in all ages, from the Iron age, to the present. Not just the extinct cluster.
 
IMO, just looking at two cemeteries outside of the city of Rome, and claiming it says something about the peninsula as a whole, creates a tyranny of averages.

Also, there are "Imperial Romans" that plot in Northern, and Southern Italian clusters; areas that are consistent in all ages, from the Iron age, to the present. Not just the extinct cluster.

I didn't mean it as a statement of fact, more of a hypothesis. Just speaking of Sicily the sample from Palermo (Favignana, Grotta d Oriente) is a Western Hunter Gather (WHG) similar to what was all over Western Europe. Best I can tell the Sicilian Bell Beaker is mostly Neolithic Early European Farmer (EEF) maybe with some Iran Neolithic. Next the the recent paper by the Reich team documents Steppe Ancestry. Just my quick observation of the Antonio/Moots et al 2019 paper (Figure 2) which shows this basic pattern in Rome (WHG, then EEF and Iran Neolithic, then Steppe). The same pattern seems to be present in Sicily at least to Iron Age period. Whatever happened during that period up to the Imperial period as you said shows some Imperial Romans cluster with Northern Italians and some Southern. In Sicily there were the Phoenicians, Greeks and Romans (but there were already Italic tribes in Sicily before the Romans came in at the end of the 3rd Century BC). The Antonio/Moots paper documents a move Eastward during this period somewhat but not enough that it caused the Imperial Romans to cluster with non Modern Italian populations. It seems to me the significant majority of these ancient Imperial Roman samples cluster mostly in Figure 2 in a circle that includes all of Modern Italy, again some more North shifted, some more Southern Shifted. So I think as we get more samples, I would like to see Sicilian Time Series type analysis done from the Imperial Period to Modern similar to what Antonio/Moots et al did for Lazio-Rome. It would be good to see that done with other Italian samples from various regions using a longitudinal type analysis as well.

Again, I did not mean to present anything I wrote in post #154 as a statement of fact, more of a hypothesis and thinking of how I would like to see future research papers address Italian genetic history overall, and in my case, Sicily in particular. Sorry if my post was cryptically written.
 
^^I was actually referring more to the conclusion made by the authors of the paper.


Oh, my bad again. Well I agree I have issues with the conclusions in the Antonio/Moots et al 2019 paper and the recent paper on Steppe Ancestry into Sardinia/Sicily (Reich team) and some of there sample choices they used to fit models, and not properly explaining why and what the admixture of certain samples that were chosen. You correctly pointed out the Morocco_LN sample and Phoenician_Ibiza sample both cluster with ancient Greeks/Eastern Med Populations and if I remember both were used in at least one or both of those papers.

Have a question, have you or Duarte run the Dodecad K12 Coordinates for the Morocco_EN, Morocco_LN and Ibiza_Phoenician samples?
 
Here are all of the Scythian, Sarmatian, Cimmerian, and Srubnaya samples. This one was tricky to get, but I found away to get the files to convert. You had to save them to a desktop, rather than an individual folder. Idk why, but it made the software work correctly:

Ancient genomes suggest the eastern Pontic-Caspian steppe as the source of western Iron Age nomads

Krzewińska et al. 2018

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB27628


Code:
chy001_Sarmatian,22.69,8.21,0,0,13.39,40.51,3.2,0.68,0,0.12,11.2,0
chy002_Sarmatian,25.87,8.68,0,0,12.38,37.73,0.98,0,0,5.7,7.85,0.82
cim357_Cimmerian,17.43,8.06,0,1.02,16.1,42.32,3.11,0,0,1.06,10.9,0
cim358_Cimmerian,22.58,11.12,0,3.04,8.31,32.3,3.23,1.43,0,5.24,12.76,0
cim359_Cimmerian,13.81,23.13,0,1.62,7.05,33.66,3.7,0.01,0,12.42,3.99,0.62
kzb001_Srubnaya,12.46,2.5,2.64,1.76,22.63,47.36,2.83,1.29,0,0.82,5.72,0
kzb002_Srubnaya,21.09,3.59,0,0,18.79,54.68,0.81,0,0,0,0.91,0.12
kzb003_Srubnaya,20.86,0.61,1.59,0,27.72,47.14,2.09,0,0,0,0,0
kzb004_Srubnaya,9.17,8.33,0,0,24.07,58.42,0,0,0,0,0,0
kzb005_Srubnaya,17.86,1.95,0,0,13.6,56.88,0,1.68,0,0,7.96,0.06
kzb006_Srubnaya,18.13,1.71,0,0,22.3,51.06,1.34,0,0,0,4.15,1.3
kzb007_Srubnaya,18.39,1.92,0,0,21.93,52.11,0,1.15,0,0,3.94,0.57
kzb008_Srubnaya,19.26,2.85,0,0.02,14.65,56.62,0.35,1.24,0,0,4.84,0.16
kzb009_Srubnaya,18.12,2.94,0,0,22.91,51.61,0,0,0.27,0,3.22,0.93
mur001_Srubnaya,21.99,3.22,0,0,18.4,55.26,0,0,0,0,0.84,0.29
mur002_Srubnaya,20.07,0.7,0,4.28,16.77,54.31,1.06,2.8,0,0,0,0
mur003_Srubnaya,19.28,2.35,0,0,22.87,53.76,0,0,0,0,1.1,0.64
mur004_Srubnaya,17.15,3.53,0,0,16.72,54.14,0,0,0,0,7.68,0.78
scy006_Scythian,13.82,0,6.4,3.46,14.64,45.37,0,0,12.79,0,3.51,0
scy009_Scythian,4.23,0,0.79,0,28.83,51.34,0,0.44,1.95,0,10.18,2.24
scy010_Scythian,9.55,0,0,0,26.15,42.92,0.16,0,0.37,0.48,18.85,1.52
scy011_Scythian,16.47,8.21,1.55,0,13.83,38.9,0,2.41,0.95,2.23,15.44,0
scy192_Scythian,6.15,2.19,2.36,0,33.03,20.16,0.24,0,8.81,0,27.04,0
scy193_Scythian,26.88,0.89,5.86,3.62,4.91,41.86,5.06,3.64,7.27,0,0,0
scy197_Scythian,3.49,0.62,0.2,0,34.96,21.32,0,0.65,5.34,2.18,30.87,0.39
scy300_Scythian,5.95,1.42,0,1.64,33.53,20.09,0,0,10.58,0,26.79,0
scy301_Scythian,12.78,6.07,0,0,21.44,31.2,0.66,0,3.58,1.56,22.02,0.69
scy303_Scythian,9.62,0.42,0,0,34.83,50.06,0,0,0,0,3.54,1.52
scy304_Scythian,12.02,0,4.91,1.76,28.54,36.4,0.53,0.93,0,0,13.33,1.58
scy305_Scythian,6.81,0.44,0,0.24,25.58,27.17,0,0,6.57,3.55,29.64,0
scy311_Scythian,14.93,1.03,0,4.47,29.91,24.38,0,0,4.36,0.37,20.21,0.35
scy332_Scythian,0,38.92,0,0,0,9.86,0,0,0,47.11,0,4.11
tem001_Sarmatian,25.16,5.97,0,0,12.41,44.18,0,0,0,5.3,6.98,0
tem002_Sarmatian,26.74,8.42,0,0.75,13.66,40.74,1.66,0,0,1.4,5.72,0.91
tem003_Sarmatian,22.48,5.77,0,0,9.89,44.11,1.85,0,0,5.08,9.97,0.85
 
Here are all of the Scythian, Sarmatian, Cimmerian, and Srubnaya samples. This one was tricky to get, but I found away to get the files to convert. You had to save them to a desktop, rather than an individual folder. Idk why, but it made the software work correctly:

Ancient genomes suggest the eastern Pontic-Caspian steppe as the source of western Iron Age nomads

Krzewińska et al. 2018

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB27628


Code:
chy001_Sarmatian,22.69,8.21,0,0,13.39,40.51,3.2,0.68,0,0.12,11.2,0
chy002_Sarmatian,25.87,8.68,0,0,12.38,37.73,0.98,0,0,5.7,7.85,0.82
cim357_Cimmerian,17.43,8.06,0,1.02,16.1,42.32,3.11,0,0,1.06,10.9,0
cim358_Cimmerian,22.58,11.12,0,3.04,8.31,32.3,3.23,1.43,0,5.24,12.76,0
cim359_Cimmerian,13.81,23.13,0,1.62,7.05,33.66,3.7,0.01,0,12.42,3.99,0.62
kzb001_Srubnaya,12.46,2.5,2.64,1.76,22.63,47.36,2.83,1.29,0,0.82,5.72,0
kzb002_Srubnaya,21.09,3.59,0,0,18.79,54.68,0.81,0,0,0,0.91,0.12
kzb003_Srubnaya,20.86,0.61,1.59,0,27.72,47.14,2.09,0,0,0,0,0
kzb004_Srubnaya,9.17,8.33,0,0,24.07,58.42,0,0,0,0,0,0
kzb005_Srubnaya,17.86,1.95,0,0,13.6,56.88,0,1.68,0,0,7.96,0.06
kzb006_Srubnaya,18.13,1.71,0,0,22.3,51.06,1.34,0,0,0,4.15,1.3
kzb007_Srubnaya,18.39,1.92,0,0,21.93,52.11,0,1.15,0,0,3.94,0.57
kzb008_Srubnaya,19.26,2.85,0,0.02,14.65,56.62,0.35,1.24,0,0,4.84,0.16
kzb009_Srubnaya,18.12,2.94,0,0,22.91,51.61,0,0,0.27,0,3.22,0.93
mur001_Srubnaya,21.99,3.22,0,0,18.4,55.26,0,0,0,0,0.84,0.29
mur002_Srubnaya,20.07,0.7,0,4.28,16.77,54.31,1.06,2.8,0,0,0,0
mur003_Srubnaya,19.28,2.35,0,0,22.87,53.76,0,0,0,0,1.1,0.64
mur004_Srubnaya,17.15,3.53,0,0,16.72,54.14,0,0,0,0,7.68,0.78
scy006_Scythian,13.82,0,6.4,3.46,14.64,45.37,0,0,12.79,0,3.51,0
scy009_Scythian,4.23,0,0.79,0,28.83,51.34,0,0.44,1.95,0,10.18,2.24
scy010_Scythian,9.55,0,0,0,26.15,42.92,0.16,0,0.37,0.48,18.85,1.52
scy011_Scythian,16.47,8.21,1.55,0,13.83,38.9,0,2.41,0.95,2.23,15.44,0
scy192_Scythian,6.15,2.19,2.36,0,33.03,20.16,0.24,0,8.81,0,27.04,0
scy193_Scythian,26.88,0.89,5.86,3.62,4.91,41.86,5.06,3.64,7.27,0,0,0
scy197_Scythian,3.49,0.62,0.2,0,34.96,21.32,0,0.65,5.34,2.18,30.87,0.39
scy300_Scythian,5.95,1.42,0,1.64,33.53,20.09,0,0,10.58,0,26.79,0
scy301_Scythian,12.78,6.07,0,0,21.44,31.2,0.66,0,3.58,1.56,22.02,0.69
scy303_Scythian,9.62,0.42,0,0,34.83,50.06,0,0,0,0,3.54,1.52
scy304_Scythian,12.02,0,4.91,1.76,28.54,36.4,0.53,0.93,0,0,13.33,1.58
scy305_Scythian,6.81,0.44,0,0.24,25.58,27.17,0,0,6.57,3.55,29.64,0
scy311_Scythian,14.93,1.03,0,4.47,29.91,24.38,0,0,4.36,0.37,20.21,0.35
scy332_Scythian,0,38.92,0,0,0,9.86,0,0,0,47.11,0,4.11
tem001_Sarmatian,25.16,5.97,0,0,12.41,44.18,0,0,0,5.3,6.98,0
tem002_Sarmatian,26.74,8.42,0,0.75,13.66,40.74,1.66,0,0,1.4,5.72,0.91
tem003_Sarmatian,22.48,5.77,0,0,9.89,44.11,1.85,0,0,5.08,9.97,0.85

My results:

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