Dodecad K12b Ancient West Eurasia [by Eupedia Team]

**Jovialis** · 07-02-20, 20:33

Here are all of the coordinates for Dodecad K12b Ancient West Eurasia. The sample list will continue to be updated.

Produced by Jovialis, Durate, and contributions by Maciamo.

Updated: April 25, 2020

Total number of ancient DNA samples: 959

Paste coordinates in the source tab of http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/dodecad-k12b-vahaduo.htm

Download the coordinates here: http://www.mediafire.com/file/c9zxqr...asia.docx/file

Also available on Admixture Studio:

**torzio** · 07-02-20, 22:43

mine

Distance to:	Torziok12b
1.89726118	R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.40054542	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
4.63928874	R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
4.65249395	R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
4.82277928	CL23
4.86300319	R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
5.02880702	I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
5.21492090	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
6.00532264	SZ28
6.60955369	CL49
6.88000000	I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
6.93799683	CL94
7.28685117	R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.57478052	I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
7.62312272	CL57
7.70831369	CL36
7.72828571	CL47
7.79092421	GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
7.88022842	R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.89459942	Bavaria_BB_II5524
7.93197958	SZ45
8.04563857	R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
8.04854024	SZ43
8.12515231	SZ27
8.49518687	R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi

father below

Distance to:	PonzanoK12b
2.96722092	R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.88872171	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
5.02758391	R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
5.03138152	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
5.17989382	I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
5.65693380	R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
5.67751706	CL49
5.88861614	R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
5.95225167	SZ28
6.03410308	R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
6.08940063	CL47
6.10329419	CL23
6.37341353	CL94
6.61260161	SZ45
7.01978632	R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.19994444	R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
7.20488029	Bavaria_BB_II5524
7.21248917	CL57
7.22930840	GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
7.42829052	R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
7.88196676	I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge
8.10768771	CL102
8.27916059	R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
8.36763407	GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10851
8.39875586	SZ27

Female first cousin from paternal grandfather sister line

Distance to:	TrentinoCles
2.53333772	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
2.88975778	I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
3.48031608	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
3.75795157	R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
3.85072720	SZ28
4.27906532	SZ43
5.06032608	I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
5.88459005	I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
6.05645936	CL36
6.11802256	R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.50109222	CL23
6.53108720	SZ31
7.26898205	ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
7.82710036	ScythianMoldova_SCY300
7.89238874	CL49
7.97467241	SZ36
8.36254148	Bavaria_BB_II5524
8.43631436	I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
8.58509755	R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
8.78997156	ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
9.10143395	R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
9.24717795	I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
9.46118914	R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
9.51338005	R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
9.55524987	SZ37

Below is a male whose ancestor is the brother of my great great grandfather b.1822 ( paternal side ) same surname

Distance to:	BelunPk12b
2.85040348	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
2.89129729	R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.95218563	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
3.00813896	I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
3.06084956	R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
4.34786154	SZ28
5.05758836	CL23
5.50328993	CL49
6.21656658	R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
6.24843981	R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
6.33832786	I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
6.40148420	SZ43
6.46353618	I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
6.86280555	CL36
7.35241457	R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.56866567	Bavaria_BB_II5524
7.96169580	I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge
8.15677019	SZ31
8.19120260	CL94
8.35335262	GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
8.41500446	R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
8.53501025	CL47
9.05707458	SZ36
9.21911059	CL57
9.33575385	SZ45

**torzio** · 07-02-20, 23:04

running all above with max output of 4

Distance to:	BelunPk12b
2.85040348	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
2.89129729	R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.95218563	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
3.00813896	I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge

Distance to:	TrentinoCles
2.53333772	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
2.88975778	I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
3.48031608	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
3.75795157	R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro

Distance to:	Torziok12b
1.89726118	R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.40054542	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
4.63928874	R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
4.65249395	R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia

Distance to:	PonzanoK12b
2.96722092	R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.88872171	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
5.02758391	R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
5.03138152	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto

only sample that is in the top for all of the above
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge

I4331, I4332, Early/Middle Bronze Age, 1700-1500 BCE

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616

I4331
mtDNA: I1a1
Y-DNA: J2b2a

**Joey37** · 08-02-20, 01:22

Screen Shot 2020-02-07 at 6.20.42 PM.pngWhat does SZ stand for? I match those guys real well.

**Jovialis** · 08-02-20, 01:35

Those are samples from the paper, "Understanding 6th-century barbarian social organization and migration through paleogenomics", about Lombards. The SZ stands for Szólád, a city in Hungary.

**Joey37** · 08-02-20, 03:49

Oh, so they're Lombards. Makes sense, then.

**Stuvanè** · 08-02-20, 10:13

Distance to:	Stuvanè
3.43011662	SZ31
3.44400929	SZ36
3.71212877	CL36
4.21513938	SZ43
4.68264882	I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
4.83184230	ScythianMoldova_SCY300
4.97630385	R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
5.34300477	R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
5.55229682	ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
5.57919349	SZ37
5.58678799	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
5.87326144	CL23
6.25171976	R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
6.43351381	I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
6.77911499	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
7.07541518	ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
7.29406608	R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
7.43797688	SZ28
7.65708169	R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.93996222	R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
7.97270970	SZ1
8.40716956	I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
8.74874848	R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.04734768	R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.37029882	I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical

**mha** · 08-02-20, 12:11

All SZ samples are not homogenous. If I remember correctly, you have Northern and Southern cluster with some samples in-between. Szolad is a match for me also, and I presume other Slavs. First ten:

Distance to:	me
4.21754668	ANI163_Varna_Outlier
4.77990586	SZ42
4.96589368	SZ12
5.05904141	SZ11
5.45348512	SZ24
6.21923629	SZ30
6.31038034	AlemannicBavariaBIM_33
6.32664208	SZ25
6.37617440	SZ13
7.05800963	CL97

**bigsnake49** · 08-02-20, 17:25

Mine:

Screen Shot 2020-02-08 at 10.24.32.png

Scythian, eh? Solezad cluster are the next matches.

**Angela** · 08-02-20, 18:01

^^There's more than one "type" of Scythian found in Moldova. One is very "Northern", and one is very "Southern European".

**xri34** · 08-02-20, 18:01

Originally Posted by bigsnake49

Mine:

Attachment 11796

Scythian, eh? Solezad cluster are the next matches.

Could you post a photo or copy and paste because the link does not open?
This is mine
4.71686336 R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.87681248 CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53
5.09032415 SZ37
5.56705488 R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
5.81283924 R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.38806700 SZ36
7.03153611 SZ31
7.10957101 R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
7.16487264 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
7.25426082 R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.46294178 R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.51240308 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305
7.65527269 R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
7.73755775 R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
7.76067652 R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
7.81090904 R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.87537301 ScythianMoldova_SCY300
7.92704863 R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
8.13490627 R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
8.18330618 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
8.37068695 R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
8.48079006 R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
8.69321575 R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.87463239 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
9.38254230 R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis

**torzio** · 08-02-20, 18:22

the scythian query

I cannot recall if the question of Scythian being a branch of sarmatians or not being Sarmatians has ever been resolved

IMO, I always kept them separated

Others have kept them as one huge tribe

**Angela** · 08-02-20, 18:44

I just realized that I've been using the coordinates from the original 23andme v3. Since I'm sure almost no one has that, and is using either v4, or v5 or ancestry, which seems pretty close to v5, I'll be using the v5 from now on. The order changes but the players are the same.

Distance to:	Angela
5.88072274	I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
6.32650773	I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
6.32865705	I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
6.44030279	R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
6.46676117	SZ43
6.53661992	R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.03668956	I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
7.04472143	I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
7.09619616	I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
7.14881808	R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
7.44927513	I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge
7.88178279	CL36
8.15250268	ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
8.36475343	SZ28
8.77719773	Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge
8.92554760	R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima
8.94997207	Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
9.15645128	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
9.17988562	SZ31
9.21016829	CL23
9.30224167	R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.30524583	ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
9.47417543	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
9.47641282	R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia
9.54090667	ScythianMoldova_SCY300

I know this is internally consistent because of the following:

Balkans Bronze Age 13313

Distance to:	I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
3.56275646	Italy_Lombardy
4.78770749	Italy_Emilia
4.93995082	Italy_Liguria
5.14574766	Italy_Veneto
5.39127537	Italy_Piedmont
6.07536254	Italy_Tuscany
6.54086099	Swiss_Italian
7.53474883	Italy_Trentino
8.14842046	France_Corsica
8.45013349	Italy_FriuliVG
8.57974941	Italy_Romagna
9.78872702	Italy_Aosta_Valley
11.74627933	Italy_Marche
12.03777155	Italy_Lazio
12.29336406	Albanian_North
12.42080915	Albanian_Kosovo
14.46197428	Baleares
15.62894430	Macedonian
16.46757724	Galicia
17.02095179	Gagauz
17.19215810	Extremadura
17.51714611	Italy_Abruzzo
18.13725448	Portuguese
18.47098536	Pomak
18.50866554	Murcia

Distance to:	I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
5.28431225	France_Corsica
5.49877060	Italy_Liguria
6.36053229	Italy_Emilia
6.74417601	Italy_Tuscany
7.01113953	Italy_Lombardy
7.79892301	Italy_Piedmont
8.50914214	Italy_Romagna
9.16329828	Italy_Veneto
10.10349259	Swiss_Italian
10.76158901	Italy_Marche
11.32464057	Italy_Lazio
11.48999565	Italy_Trentino
11.59190735	Italy_FriuliVG
12.58351257	Italy_Aosta_Valley
13.34843437	Baleares
14.57551714	Galicia
15.03443048	Extremadura
15.06820162	Albanian_Kosovo
15.30791299	Albanian_North
15.34010104	Canarias
15.34070403	Portuguese
15.59502164	Murcia
16.28642311	Italy_Abruzzo
16.74281040	Andalucia
17.28226548	Castilla_Y_Leon

Distance to:	I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
3.13346390	France_Corsica
7.13643258	Italy_Tuscany
7.88741853	Italy_Emilia
7.93103398	Italy_Romagna
8.18782084	Italy_Liguria
8.83622646	Italy_Marche
10.09776678	Italy_Lazio
10.31520419	Italy_Lombardy
11.47091135	Italy_Piedmont
12.67673923	Italy_Veneto
13.57074278	Italy_Abruzzo
14.29889900	Swiss_Italian
15.07772085	Italy_Campania
15.12041785	Italy_FriuliVG
15.56398150	Italy_Trentino
15.90457623	Italy_Sicily
16.16580032	Albanian_Kosovo
16.47288038	Italy_Apulia
16.63682963	Baleares
16.96335462	Albanian_North
17.16246581	Italy_Aosta_Valley
17.91113269	Italy_Calabria
18.28365664	Greek
18.43507798	Murcia
18.50067837	Galicia

Again, the Dodecad K12b updated has one Corsican sample, via "Sizzi", and I highly doubt it's representative.

In regular K12b...

Distance to:	I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
6.26660195	TSI30
7.70621178	Tuscan
8.94646299	North_Italian
9.25349664	C_Italian
9.38393841	N_Italian
9.96218350	O_Italian
16.23912559	Sicilian
16.26235223	S_Italian_Sicilian
16.63682963	Baleares
18.28365664	Greek
18.43507798	Murcia
18.50067837	Galicia
18.75878194	Extremadura
18.88255015	Andalucia
19.18635192	Canarias
19.48964340	Portuguese
20.70434978	Ashkenazi
20.85449832	Castilla_Y_Leon
21.34596215	Spaniards
21.36841595	Ashkenazy_Jews
22.01702750	Morocco_Jews
22.40865681	Spanish
22.59549291	Sephardic_Jews
22.77898374	Castilla_La_Mancha
22.79030715	Cataluna

Distance to:	R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
4.95855987	France_Corsica
5.72900515	Italy_Romagna
5.73295543	Italy_Marche
6.52601027	Italy_Tuscany
7.24070466	Italy_Lazio
7.99930566	Italy_Emilia
8.57943659	Italy_Liguria
10.37018436	Italy_Abruzzo
10.86251230	Italy_Lombardy
11.76210041	Italy_Campania
12.19792774	Italy_Piedmont
12.42161332	Italy_Veneto
12.83907707	Albanian_Kosovo
12.91294962	Italy_Apulia
13.07584127	Italy_Sicily
13.09491886	Greek
13.69630607	Albanian_North
14.63272210	Italy_FriuliVG
14.85030850	Swiss_Italian
14.95477500	Italy_Calabria
15.92765394	Italy_Trentino
16.62573006	Ashkenazi
17.11678124	Ashkenazy_Jews
18.54059870	Gagauz
18.65887850	Italy_Aosta_Valley

**xri34** · 08-02-20, 18:50

Originally Posted by torzio

the scythian query

I cannot recall if the question of Scythian being a branch of sarmatians or not being Sarmatians has ever been resolved

IMO, I always kept them separated

Others have kept them as one huge tribe

Scythians and Sarmatians were very close in genetic and cultural terms but they were two distinct tribes. The Moldova Scythian samples 300,305,192 and 197 are not real Scythians. They are close to Southern Eurpeans and they are considered Northern Thracians/Getae.

**Angela** · 08-02-20, 19:05

^^The same sort of thing happens with Szolad samples: there's a "northern" cluster and a "southern" cluster. In Szolad the southerners were subjugated by the Langobards. I don't think that was the case with the Scythians, i.e. a "class" system, but I'd have to recheck the burial contexts.

For people just starting to play around with these:

I'm always closest to SZ43 and CL23.

**Northener** · 08-02-20, 19:35

-Double posting-

**Northener** · 08-02-20, 19:38

Jovialis e.a. thanks for developing!!!!

Some doubts about the results because in our case the Bronze Age samples are prevalent above the iron age/early middle ages. That's IMO not a good sign. Usually is more recent drift more close...

Distance to: Northerner
1.37419067 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
1.97861062 CL146
2.27982455 CL145
2.62806012 SZ4
2.66608327 CL93
3.44633138 SZ7
3.60291549 SZ22
4.01720052 CL151
4.07760959 SZ9
4.09470390 SZ13

Distance to: NorthernerDad
2.94535227 BronzeAgeOuterHebrides_I2655
3.21373614 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
3.23739092 SZ7
3.52315200 CL84
3.64394018 CL93
3.73158143 CL145
3.87244109 SZ15
3.96203231 CL83
4.31705918 CL146
4.34257988 R1286_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria

Distance to: NorthenerMom
2.19786260 BronzeAgeOuterHebrides_I2655
2.82237489 CL93
3.27783465 CL145
3.45272356 CL92
3.47195910 CL84
3.47701021 CL83
3.92670345 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
3.95586906 CL146
4.23303674 SZ7
4.27896015 IronAgeHinxton5_Anglo-Saxon_ERS389799

**Duarte** · 08-02-20, 20:05

Originally Posted by Northener

Jovialis e.a. thanks for developing!!!!

Some doubts about the results because in our case the Bronze Age samples are prevalent above the iron age/early middle ages. That's IMO not a good sign. Usually is more recent drift more close...

Distance to: Northerner
1.37419067 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
1.97861062 CL146
2.27982455 CL145
2.62806012 SZ4
2.66608327 CL93
3.44633138 SZ7
3.60291549 SZ22
4.01720052 CL151
4.07760959 SZ9
4.09470390 SZ13

Distance to: NorthernerDad
2.94535227 BronzeAgeOuterHebrides_I2655
3.21373614 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
3.23739092 SZ7
3.52315200 CL84
3.64394018 CL93
3.73158143 CL145
3.87244109 SZ15
3.96203231 CL83
4.31705918 CL146
4.34257988 R1286_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria

Distance to: NorthenerMom
2.19786260 BronzeAgeOuterHebrides_I2655
2.82237489 CL93
3.27783465 CL145
3.45272356 CL92
3.47195910 CL84
3.47701021 CL83
3.92670345 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
3.95586906 CL146
4.23303674 SZ7
4.27896015 IronAgeHinxton5_Anglo-Saxon_ERS389799

Dear Northerner.
The vast majority of the coordinates included so far refer to samples obtained in Italy, Iberia, Central Europe and Balkans. The current entry coordinates do not favor people from northern and northwestern Europe. Many coordinates of samples from that area would be needed in the source dada entry and these coordinates have not yet been obtained. Fir that reason his results looks strange, with North Europe Bronze Age in the first place.
Cheers :)

**Dou** · 08-02-20, 20:19

The same nonsense as always.

5.91572481	CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40
6.02217569	IlergetesTribeCatalan_I3320
6.41493570	R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.22570412	BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208
7.22570412	BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208
7.24944825	GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892
7.27760263	ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977
7.38375921	R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.99233383	GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852
8.55661732	IlercavonesCatalan_I3321
8.79180300	LBA_ElSotillo_Alava_I2469
8.84762115	GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895
8.91707351	I2215_Malak_Preslavets
9.16251603	R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella
9.30830812	I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
9.65871109	MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649
9.88438668	EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981
9.93942151	EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585
10.17689540	VasconicTribe_I8209
10.17689540	I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1
10.23212099	VisigothIberianGirona_I12034
10.39308905	PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12516
10.41494119	Pre-RomanGirona_I3324
10.42269159	VasconesTribeVasconia_I3759
10.58412963	IronAgeCatalan_I12640

14.0	I1296_Malak_Preslavets

11.4	IlergetesTribeCatalan_I12878

11.2	IberianElArgarBronzeAge_I8136

10.8	CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457

9.0	I8211_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1

7.6	IlercavonesCatalan_I3321

5.4	Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge

5.0	GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866

2.6	Falkenstein_Mesolithic_Germany

2.6	I1949_GD37_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic

2.2	R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia

2.2	R6_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza

1.8	CeltiberianMixTribeNorthernSpain_I3238

1.6	I1685_Natufian_Nat4_Raqefet_Cave_Israel

1.4	TartessianArchaicAndalusia_I12561

1.4	I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1

1.4	Brillenhohle_Magdalenian_Germany

1.2	NorthAlpineSouthDutch_AITI_50

1.2	IronAgeHinxton1_Celt_ERS389795

0.8	I8202_NE_Iberia_RomP_Empuries1

0.6	CL146

0.6	IberiaBronzeAge_ATP9

0.6	R80_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis

0.6	I1290_GD13A_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic

0.6	I1416_AG83/1_Early_MPPNB_Ain_Ghazal_Jordan

0.4	VasconicTribe_I8209

0.4	CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41

0.4	R132_Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro

0.4	I3151_Trypillia

0.2	ASH2-3_Iron_Age1

0.2	Continenza_Mesolithic_Italy

0.2	I2433_Globular_Amphora

**torzio** · 08-02-20, 20:55

Originally Posted by xri34

Scythians and Sarmatians were very close in genetic and cultural terms but they were two distinct tribes. The Moldova Scythian samples 300,305,192 and 197 are not real Scythians. They are close to Southern Eurpeans and they are considered Northern Thracians/Getae.

thanks

i get these from MTA , for what it is worth

7. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 10.0 - scy197b -
Top 98 % match vs all users

17. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 12.35 - scy192 -
Top 97 % match vs all users

24. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 13.52 - scy300 -
Top 98 % match vs all users

31. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.25 - scy305 -
Top 96 % match vs all users

41. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 15.24 - scy311 -
Top 61 % match vs all users

65. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus ..... 16.7 - DA195 -
Top 92 % match vs all users

84. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus ..... 18.58 - DA198 -
Top 94 % match vs all users

94. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus ..... 19.26 - scy304 -
Top 95 % match vs all users

and also the bottom of the below

1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 5.076 - R1 -
Top 99 % match vs all users

4. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.937 - I3313 -
Top 98 % match vs all users

52. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 15.89 - MJ12 -
Top 97 % match vs all users

my father only get sycthian in the deep dive breakdown.......one line , nothing else

**Angela** · 08-02-20, 21:06

Originally Posted by Dou

The same nonsense as always.

5.91572481	CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40
6.02217569	IlergetesTribeCatalan_I3320
6.41493570	R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.22570412	BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208
7.22570412	BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208
7.24944825	GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892
7.27760263	ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977
7.38375921	R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.99233383	GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852
8.55661732	IlercavonesCatalan_I3321
8.79180300	LBA_ElSotillo_Alava_I2469
8.84762115	GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895
8.91707351	I2215_Malak_Preslavets
9.16251603	R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella
9.30830812	I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
9.65871109	MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649
9.88438668	EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981
9.93942151	EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585
10.17689540	VasconicTribe_I8209
10.17689540	I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1
10.23212099	VisigothIberianGirona_I12034
10.39308905	PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12516
10.41494119	Pre-RomanGirona_I3324
10.42269159	VasconesTribeVasconia_I3759
10.58412963	IronAgeCatalan_I12640

14.0	I1296_Malak_Preslavets

11.4	IlergetesTribeCatalan_I12878

11.2	IberianElArgarBronzeAge_I8136

10.8	CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457

9.0	I8211_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1

7.6	IlercavonesCatalan_I3321

5.4	Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge

5.0	GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866

2.6	Falkenstein_Mesolithic_Germany

2.6	I1949_GD37_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic

2.2	R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia

2.2	R6_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza

1.8	CeltiberianMixTribeNorthernSpain_I3238

1.6	I1685_Natufian_Nat4_Raqefet_Cave_Israel

1.4	TartessianArchaicAndalusia_I12561

1.4	I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1

1.4	Brillenhohle_Magdalenian_Germany

1.2	NorthAlpineSouthDutch_AITI_50

1.2	IronAgeHinxton1_Celt_ERS389795

0.8	I8202_NE_Iberia_RomP_Empuries1

0.6	CL146

0.6	IberiaBronzeAge_ATP9

0.6	R80_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis

0.6	I1290_GD13A_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic

0.6	I1416_AG83/1_Early_MPPNB_Ain_Ghazal_Jordan

0.4	VasconicTribe_I8209

0.4	CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41

0.4	R132_Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro

0.4	I3151_Trypillia

0.2	ASH2-3_Iron_Age1

0.2	Continenza_Mesolithic_Italy

0.2	I2433_Globular_Amphora

Sorry, I don't quite understand. What's nonsense about a Spaniard getting matches with a lot of Bronze and Iron Age Spanish samples?

If you're talking about the second graph, which is like an admixture chart, I don't pay any attention to that, because like a lot of such analyses it mixes people from sometimes wildly different eras. If you're going to do it, at least do it at .25x and .50x.

As for your best "Roman" sample from Antonio et al, looks to me like a Spaniard who went to Rome in the early Medieval period. The authors of that paper totally ignored the fact that not all the samples from a major international city, like, say, today's New York, are going to be locals, and the same is true for a Medieval pilgrimage site.

Distance to:	R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
5.07975393	Galicia
5.33575674	Baleares
6.34399716	Cataluna
6.67958831	Extremadura
7.09184743	Spaniards
7.72128875	Castilla_Y_Leon
7.99059447	Portuguese
8.22842026	Spanish
8.89248559	Murcia
8.96985507	Cantabria
9.44101181	Italy_Aosta_Valley
9.59939061	Castilla_La_Mancha
9.82168519	Valencia
10.44232254	Andalucia
10.73161218	Aragon
11.82577957	Swiss_Italian
12.41785408	French
12.68400883	Italy_Trentino
12.96788340	French
13.24715205	Italy_Lombardy
13.53898423	Italy_Piedmont
13.88042867	Canarias
15.10681559	Italy_Veneto
15.34781066	Italy_Liguria
16.08108488	Italy_Emilia

**torzio** · 08-02-20, 21:08

Originally Posted by torzio

running all above with max output of 4

Distance to:	BelunPk12b
2.85040348	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
2.89129729	R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
2.95218563	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
3.00813896	I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge

Distance to:	TrentinoCles
2.53333772	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
2.88975778	I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
3.48031608	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
3.75795157	R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro

Distance to:	Torziok12b
1.89726118	R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.40054542	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
4.63928874	R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
4.65249395	R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia

Distance to:	PonzanoK12b
2.96722092	R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.88872171	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
5.02758391	R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
5.03138152	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto

only sample that is in the top for all of the above
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge

I4331, I4332, Early/Middle Bronze Age, 1700-1500 BCE

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616

I4331
mtDNA: I1a1
Y-DNA: J2b2a

data from these companies
BelunPk12b .............myHeritage
TrentinoCles .............Ancestry
Torziok12b...............ftdna bigy .................i have 23andme v3 but never use it
PonzanoK12b ...........23andme v4

all different companies ............results are similar for the bulk

**Dou** · 08-02-20, 23:43

Originally Posted by Angela

Sorry, I don't quite understand. What's nonsense about a Spaniard getting matches with a lot of Bronze and Iron Age Spanish samples?

Well, no old sample really stands out for me since only one is less than 6.0, if they are Spanish samples of the bronze or iron age it is even more strange. That they are old is no excuse since one has obtained a distance of 1.8 with an old sample in this same thread.

To compare from Global25 (mine):

Code:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"    
 Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10895                  ITA_Etruscan:RMPR473
                            0.1725485                             0.1767569
     Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10892      Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10853
                            0.1885524                             0.2103521
                 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL23             Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I3594
                            0.2113906                             0.2229933
     ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA:RMPR435b        Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I3982
                            0.2244037                             0.2286416
       ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR33 ITA_Boville_Ernica_Latini_IA:RMPR1021
                            0.2337627                             0.2363535
    Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I12514                  ITA_Collegno_MA:CL36
                            0.2425407                             0.2449306
    Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I12515                  ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1287
                            0.2464224                             0.2472590
          ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA:RMPR851                  ITA_Collegno_MA:CL94
                            0.2502159                             0.2516029
           ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1         ITA_Rome_Renaissance:RMPR1221
                            0.2522915                             0.2571848
                         HRV_IA:I3313             Levant_LBN_MA_Mixed:SI-41
                            0.2620630                             0.2622670
      ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR105                          HUN_BA:I7040
                            0.2651754                             0.2656181
                   ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR61        Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3585
                            0.2686559                             0.2688010
      TZA_Zanzibar_Euro_outlier:I0588             Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5524
                            0.2720257                             0.2721195
                Bell_Beaker_ITA:I2478      Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7498
                            0.2730165                             0.2733715
       Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3582      Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425
                            0.2745505                             0.2764634
            ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116             Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5520
                            0.2796230                             0.2823384
           Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:E09538                 Iberia_North_IA:I3758
                            0.2824199                             0.2837728
                       DEU_Roman:FN_2                  ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1285
                            0.2847420                             0.2862429
                Iberia_North_BA:I2471     Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES:I7673
                            0.2865519                             0.2908969
                 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL57                 Iberia_East_IA:I12879
                            0.2925645                             0.2928361
                   HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ28             Iberia_Southeast_BA:I8570
                            0.2937090                             0.2945658
                 DEU_Lech_EBA:POST_44             ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR113
                            0.2960743                             0.2973096
        ITA_Rome_Renaissance:RMPR1224                 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL121
                            0.2994411                             0.2998483
                        HRV_EBA:I3499               Bell_Beaker_FRA_C:I3874
                            0.3009950                             0.3015427
            DEU_Lech_BBC:UNTA58_68Sk1            CZE_Hallstatt_Bylany:DA111
                            0.3022913                             0.3026153
                   HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ43           DEU_Lech_MBA:OTTM_151ind2_d
                            0.3045094                             0.3070668
    Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES:I3777       ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR109
                            0.3086649                             0.3088576
                Bell_Beaker_CZE:I4885       ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR121
                            0.3103901                             0.3115959
      ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR110         ITA_Rome_Renaissance:RMPR1220
                            0.3133496                             0.3145997
            Bell_Beaker_HUN_EBA:I2364       ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR122
                            0.3151666                             0.3153094
                ITA_Etruscan:RMPR474b                  Iberia_East_IA:I3320
                            0.3159193                             0.3169921
       ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR36                  ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1283
                            0.3175201                             0.3175374
                        HRV_MBA:I4331                    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ45
                            0.3177672                             0.3180975
                  Scythian_MDA:scy197      Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7424
                            0.3192053                             0.3199015
                   Scythian_HUN:DA198                 Iberia_North_IA:I3759
                            0.3209003                             0.3219891
     Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8209               ITA_Etruscan_o:RMPR475b
                            0.3220233                             0.3223616
         DEU_Welzin_BA_outlier3:WEZ57      Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8203
                            0.3226810                             0.3238873
                         HUN_BA_o:SZ1                  Iberia_East_IA:I3322
                            0.3240741                             0.3255104
      ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR120      Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7457
                            0.3273973                             0.3287644
                   ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR52                    ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR60
                            0.3293342                             0.3296483
                   ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR63       ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR108
                            0.3296847                             0.3304694
             Bell_Beaker_Iberia:I6623                  ITA_Collegno_MA:CL63
                            0.3309592                             0.3339177
                 ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1289        Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3581
                            0.3378787                             0.3381878
                   ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR57      Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12034
                            0.3407550                             0.3435855
             Levant_LBN_MA_Euro:SI-40             Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I6624
                            0.3438968                             0.3439200
                   HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ36                          HUN_BA:I7043
                            0.3440262                             0.3444198
                   HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ37                    HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ32
                            0.3446201                             0.3446288
        Iberia_Southwest_BA_Afr:I7162        Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3576
                            0.3462470                             0.3481279
      ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR107                 Iberia_North_BA:I2470
                            0.3484709                             0.3484796
     Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12031           Iberia_Northeast_RomP:I8339
                            0.3495697                             0.3498900

**Duarte** · 09-02-20, 13:02

Dear Dou.
I am not an expert in distance calculations, but the fact is that different calculators provide different distances. MTA considers that distances up to 10 are from individuals who are their ancestors, from 11 to 20 of individuals who are part of your ancestry, and from 21 to 30 of individuals who are possibly related to your ancestry. Maciamo Hey considers distances of 7 as a strong indication of ancestry. I have noticed that the south Italians and Italians of the northeast are the ones that present the shortest distances in relation to ancestral populations. Perhaps this is an indication that in these regions the genetic changes have been smaller in relation to the modern population. The Middle Ages were quite tumultuous in the Iberian Peninsula from the arrival of the Moors in the 8th century until the completion of the reconquest at the end of the 15th century. Population movements were immense during this period. The expulsion of the Moors was not a successful operation in much of Spain (see the following excerpt from the English wikipedia). Portugal, with the advent of colonization, suffered a large population deficit in Minho, Douro and Alentejo. Migrants from other regions of Europe helped to overcome the lack of local labor and, in the Sado region, Alentejo, African slaves were recruited.

Cheers :)

Expulsion of the Moriscos:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expu...f_the_Moriscos

“Numbers and success of the expulsion
It is very difficult to gauge the success of the expulsion in purging Spain of its Morisco population, a topic which has been recently subject to a rather intense academic reassessment. Even estimates on the number of Moriscos present in Spain prior to expulsion vary, ranging from numbers based on records of expulsion orders such as those of Lynch and Lapeyre (around 300,000)^[20] to more recent estimates of up to one million.^[16]
Equally, traditional Spanish historiography and early studies which drew heavily from it paint a picture of a very well run affair which succeeded in channeling the vast majority of Moriscos (around 270,000) out of the country in a short period of time. As a result, early estimates of Moriscos who succeeded in remaining in the country after the expulsion were judged to be as low as 15,000.^[20]
However, a number of recent investigative studies have been challenging the traditional discourse on the supposed success of the expulsion in purging Spain of its Morisco population. Indeed, a number of modern studies have concluded that expulsion met widely differing levels of success, particularly between the two major Spanish crowns of Castile and Aragon.
One of the earliest anglophone re-examinations of Morisco expulsion was carried out by Trevor J. Dadson in 2007. Dadson estimates that as much as 40% of Moriscos (around 200,000) never left the country and up to an additional 70,000 of those expelled, managed to return. A significant section of his work is devoted to the example of Villarubia de los Ojos in southern Castille. The Morisco population of this town, that perhaps they were not authentic Moriscos but had been classified as Moriscos to appropriate their property, was the target of three expulsions which they managed to avoid or from which they succeeded in returning from to their town of origin, being protected and hidden by their non-Morisco neighbours. Dadson provides numerous examples, of similar incidents throughout Spain whereby Moriscos were protected and supported by non-Moriscos and returned en masse from North Africa, Portugal or France to their towns of origin.^[4]
A similar study on the expulsion in Andalusia concluded it was an inefficient operation which was significantly reduced in its severity by resistance to the measure among local authorities and populations. It further highlights the constant flow of returnees from North Africa, creating a dilemma for the local inquisition who did not know how to deal with those who had been given no choice but to convert to Islam during their stay in Muslim lands as a result of the Royal Decree. Upon the coronation of Felipe IV, the new king gave the order to desist from attempting to impose measures on returnees and in September 1628 the Council of the Supreme Inquisition ordered inquisitors in Seville not to prosecute expelled Moriscos "unless they cause significant commotion."^[21]
An investigation published in 2012 sheds light on the thousands of Moriscos who remained in the province of Granada alone, surviving both the initial expulsion to other parts of Spain in 1571 and the final expulsion of 1604. These Moriscos managed to evade in various ways the royal decrees, hiding their true origin thereafter. More surprisingly, by the 17th and 18th centuries much of this group accumulated great wealth by controlling the silk trade and also holding about a hundred public offices. Most of these lineages were nevertheless completely assimilated over generations despite their endogamic practices. A compact core of active crypto-Muslims was prosecuted by the Inquisition in 1727, receiving comparatively light sentences. These convicts kept alive their identity until the late 18th century.^[22]
Besides, officially a large quantity of Moriscos of the Catalan Low Ebro where excluded from expulsion and remained in their villages and towns, as well as some other expelled who returned, given the fact that they were very well integrated into Catalan Christian society, on the contrary to those in Aragon, Valencia and even to the Moriscos of the Catalan Low Segre.^{[23]”

“Expulsion of Moriscos and population genetics}
Spain's Morisco population was the last population who self-identified and traced its roots to the various waves of Muslim conquerors from North Africa. Modern population genetics generally assume Moriscos to have had both significant Iberian and North African ancestry, even if, after centuries of presence and intermarriage in the Iberian peninsula they were unlikely to differ significantly in ethnic terms from the wider Spanish population. For this reason, studies in population genetics which aim to ascertain Morisco ancestry in modern populations search for Iberian or European genetic markers among contemporary Morisco descendants in North Africa,^[24] and for North African genetic markers among modern day Spaniards.^[7] A wide number of recent genetic studies of modern-day Spanish and Portuguese populations have ascertained an unusually high level of North African admixture as compared to the rest of the European continent, approximately 5% of Spaniards have E-M81 Y-haplogroup, which is the characteristic haplogroup of the white population of North Africa or Berber which is generally attributed to Islamic rule and settlement of the Iberian peninsula.^[25] Common North African genetic markers which are relatively high frequencies in the Iberian peninsula as compared to the rest of the European continent are Y-chromosome E1b1b1b1(E-M81)^[26]^[27] and MtDna Haplogroups L and U6.^{[citation needed]}Studies coincide that North African admixture tends to increase in the South and West of the peninsula, peaking in parts of Andalusia,^[28]Extremadura and North West Castile.^{[citation needed]} Distribution of North African markers are largely absent from the northeast of Spain as well as the Basque country.^[7] The uneven distribution of admixture in Spain has been explained by the extent and intensity of Islamic colonization in a given area, but also by the varying levels of success in attempting to expel the Moriscos in different regions of Spain,^[7] as well as forced and voluntary morisco population movements during the 16th and 17th centuries.^[29]
As for tracing Morisco descendants in North Africa, to date there have been few genetic studies of populations of Morisco origin in the Maghreb region, although studies of the Moroccan population have not detected significant recent genetic inflow from the Iberian peninsula.^{[citation needed]} A recent study of various Tunisian ethnic groups has found that all were indigenous North African, including those who self-identified as Andalusians.^[24]”

**Cris** · 09-02-20, 14:27

Me

Distance to:	Cris
3.08588723	R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
3.64443411	CL36
3.84096342	I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
4.13772885	SZ36
4.57340136	SZ43
4.59629198	SZ31
4.81472741	ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
5.43058929	ScythianMoldova_SCY300
5.45519935	CL23
5.51555981	R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
5.75796839	R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
6.24899992	R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
6.34505319	R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
6.55944357	I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
7.31306365	R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.34382734	R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
7.53980769	I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
7.62713577	SZ37
7.69145630	ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
7.81295079	R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.98225532	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
8.00696572	R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
8.43250259	I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
8.49685236	R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
8.54085476	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
8.62042342	SZ28
8.63141356	I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
8.65963625	R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
8.82138311	R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
8.94691008	R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
8.94862559	R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
9.23064461	Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
9.25322646	I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
9.46960928	HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647
9.49497235	R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
9.60703909	CL121
9.73763318	SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515
9.87030901	R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
9.97369540	CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41
10.00551348	SZ1
10.37804413	R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
10.39156389	R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.60230635	IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498
10.66012195	R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
10.86311650	GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
11.28600461	R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
11.35455415	R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
11.36385498	R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
11.51601928	I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
11.52752358	R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
11.72699024	CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53
11.80939033	I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge
11.85892913	LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3581
12.01290140	HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644
12.18379662	LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576
12.22534253	ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305
12.31035743	R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
12.43470949	PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12516
12.43764849	R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
12.47328345	SZ40

My father

ance to:	R
2.31231486	SZ36
2.64210144	SZ31
3.65517441	CL36
4.38810893	R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
4.44244302	ScythianMoldova_SCY300
4.48075886	SZ43
4.75121037	SZ37
4.77727956	ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
4.93945341	I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
5.92184093	R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
6.54383680	R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.77214885	CL23
6.79253266	ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
6.80238194	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
6.89327934	R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.28193656	R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.35707822	R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
7.56400026	I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
7.89228737	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
8.10115424	SZ1
8.23665587	R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
8.31322440	R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
8.37486716	R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
8.38998808	R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
8.60088949	SZ28
8.73870128	R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
8.94750244	R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
9.24319750	I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
9.39954254	ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305
9.40642334	R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
9.50494608	R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
9.97185539	I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
9.98261990	R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
10.50689298	Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
10.52640014	CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53
10.67944287	R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
10.80379563	R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.93032021	I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
11.00753833	R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
11.03906699	R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
11.10504390	CL121
11.11533175	I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
11.50884877	CL49
11.65652607	R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
11.96119559	R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
12.13247708	R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
12.16270940	R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
12.24041257	GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
12.25901709	HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647
12.27378507	I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge
12.37654637	R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
12.61248191	SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515
12.61421817	R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
12.71691393	I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy
12.76226077	IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498
12.90326703	R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
13.18335314	R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
13.21174856	R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
13.24511231	CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41
13.29071857	R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia

My mother

Distance to:	S
2.88882329	R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
3.17130888	SZ36
3.18626741	CL36
4.07612561	I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN
4.24293530	SZ31
4.50363187	ScythianMoldova_SCY300
4.53321078	ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
5.28071965	SZ43
5.89844047	R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.01418324	CL23
6.34981890	SZ37
6.56880507	R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
6.78795256	R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
7.04606273	R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro
7.13773774	R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
7.28385887	R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.67028683	R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
7.98259356	R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
7.98716470	R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
8.02082913	ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
8.24172919	R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
8.48862769	R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
8.49162529	R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
8.55114612	I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge
8.58980209	R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
8.71608857	I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
8.82194423	SZ1
8.84709557	I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical
8.84783589	R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
8.96010045	R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
9.32187213	SZ28
9.41667139	I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
9.52474147	I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge
9.81495797	CL121
9.91983367	R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
10.55326490	ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305
10.58652918	R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
10.60812896	Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge
10.69788297	CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53
10.87427699	R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
11.17228267	HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647
11.18555318	R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
11.19276552	R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
11.20393235	SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515
11.24333580	R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
11.30382236	R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
11.31675749	I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
11.70965841	R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
11.72238030	CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41
11.75479902	GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853
11.76541117	IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498
12.06424055	R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
12.45214439	R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
12.61743635	R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
12.79907028	R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
12.81322754	Scythian_SCY311
12.89416922	CL49
12.91482481	R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
12.92041408	R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
13.00159221	SZ40

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