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    Post Your Eurogenes K13 Vahaduo Results(Modern & Ancient)

    Very interesting results Didn't know we had Vlach and Torbesh, and Pomak samples. Will add my mother and father sometime tomorrow for comparison to my own. See what components are more inflated than others in each case.


    Modern:


    Distance to: Dibran
    3.98526034 Albanian
    5.85422924 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
    6.28579351 Vlach_Central-Macedonia

    6.60322648 Greek_Western-Thrace
    7.03342733 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
    7.29570422 Greek_Thessaly
    7.43398951 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
    7.92290982 Greek_Thessaloniki
    8.01198678 Kosovo_Albanian
    8.50455172 Macedonian_Southwest
    8.70899535 Greek_Peloponnese
    8.96395560 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
    9.01587766 GR_Peloponese
    9.22083732 Bulgarian_Thrace
    9.67818681 Greek_Central-Macedonia
    9.83182757 GR_Macedonia
    9.84918271 Romagna
    9.99868991 Lazio
    10.06792928 Vlach_North-Macedonia
    10.21352535 Greek_Western-Macedonia
    10.25471599 Macedonian_North
    10.34964734 Greek_Northern-Thrace
    10.42514268 Marche
    10.56011364 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
    10.62055083 Macedonian_Central




    Target: Dibran
    Distance: 0.7720% / 0.77197698

    31.2 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
    20.4 Albanian
    19.8 Sardinian
    13.0 Macedonian_Greece
    7.0 Pomak_Xanthi
    5.2 Greek_Trabzon
    3.0 Greek_Thessaloniki
    0.4 Greek_Northern-Thrace




    Target: Dibran
    Distance: 1.5978% / 1.59776225 | ADC: 0.25x

    75.0 Albanian
    10.0 Sardinian
    8.8 Macedonian_Southwest
    3.8 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
    1.2 Cyprian
    1.2 Greek_Cypriot




    K13 Ancient:


    Distance to: Dibran
    6.06847592 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian
    8.59573150 SZ32_szolad_hungary_longobard
    10.38236486 SZ37_szolad_hungary_longobard

    11.80490152 SZ36.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    12.00131243 scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce
    12.28974776 SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_6-th_century
    12.41847817 SZ1.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    12.58201892 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    12.62345832 SZ40_szolad_hungary_longobard
    13.16741432 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
    13.70586371 SZ43.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    13.83035068 SZ28_szolad_hungary_longobard
    14.42058598 I7424_morisco
    14.42664202 CL36_collegno_italy_longobard
    14.95858282 I7424_morisco2
    15.82697697 CrusaderSI53KingdomofJerusalem
    15.83844058 CL121_collegno_italy_longobard
    15.89745263 I12647_iberia
    16.05095324 SZ19_szolad_hungary_longobard
    16.06342118 I12647_iberia2
    17.01763791 IA_Civitavecchia_R475
    17.36985032 DA195_Hungary_Scythian
    17.51972603 ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC
    17.66943123 I3808_morisco_I3808_morisco
    18.31939955 I8146_Muslim_Iberian(Emirate_of_Granada)


    Target: Dibran
    Distance: 2.1408% / 2.14078652 | ADC: 0.25x
    59.8 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian

    24.8 scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce
    5.2 SZ20_szolad_hungary_longobard
    5.0 Bar8_Anatolian_Neolithic_Barcin_6212_6030_BCE8222_ 8040_ybp
    3.8 Minoan_Minoan_Lasithi
    1.4 I7426_iberia


    Also added myself to source code out of curiosity and MJ12 Thraco Kimmerian(with ADC 0.25X) seems to shift closer to me than other ancients. Call it calculator bias most likely. still interesting.


    Target: MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian
    Distance: 1.4256% / 1.42555570 | ADC: 0.25x
    85.0 Dibran

    3.0 CL110_collegno_italy_longobard
    3.0 Sigauri_Sigauri._Melkhiy_(Chechen_Republic)
    2.8 Crimean_Nogay
    2.2 ANCIENT_SA6001Sharakhalsun6_Steppe_of_Maykop_cultu re_5444
    2.0 SIJ003_Sinyukha_Late_Maykop_5174_U4c1
    0.8 MARC1492_Ancient_Mi_kmaq_1492
    0.8 SaryBel_Russia_RISE602_Sary0Bel._Russia
    0.4 ANCIENT_VJ1001_Vonyuchka_1_Steppe_of_N_Caucasus_62 42_year_old


    Distance to: MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian
    6.06847592 Dibran
    10.59270504 SZ32_szolad_hungary_longobard
    11.36090225 SZ37_szolad_hungary_longobard

    12.25233855 SZ1.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    13.07933102 SZ36.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    13.64351128 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    13.77450544 CrusaderSI53KingdomofJerusalem
    13.97814008 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
    14.28469461 SZ40_szolad_hungary_longobard
    14.67555450 SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_6-th_century
    15.13207190 CL36_collegno_italy_longobard
    15.54451350 scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce
    15.99143833 SZ43.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    16.21950677 CL121_collegno_italy_longobard
    16.44667140 SZ28_szolad_hungary_longobard
    17.00225279 I7424_morisco2
    17.51473380 I7424_morisco
    18.09144826 DA195_Hungary_Scythian
    18.56905490 IA_Ardea_R850
    19.12721360 I12647_iberia2
    19.43850817 I12647_iberia
    19.49771782 I3808_morisco_I3808_morisco
    19.62588597 I7499_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE2
    19.66646638 CL30_collegno_italy_longobard
    19.79443356 CL23_collegno_italy_longobard

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    My Father:


    K13 Modern:


    Distance to: Dibran_Father
    5.08872283 Albanian
    5.94013468 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
    6.31205989 Greek_Thessaly

    6.61690260 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
    6.79828655 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
    6.90493302 Greek_Thessaloniki
    7.01196121 Greek_Western-Thrace
    7.48124321 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
    7.50649885 GR_Peloponese
    7.85510662 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
    7.96658259 Bulgarian_Thrace
    8.02168312 Macedonian_Southwest
    8.48948762 Greek_Peloponnese
    8.64179958 GR_Macedonia
    8.89287098 Kosovo_Albanian
    9.32624791 Turk_Thessaloniki
    9.55220393 Greek_Northern-Thrace
    10.04790028 Greek_Central-Macedonia
    10.35350665 Greek_Western-Macedonia
    10.35705074 Turk_Kazanlik
    10.37924853 Central_Greek
    10.48154569 Macedonian_North
    10.75241833 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
    10.89028925 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
    11.02540702 Macedonian_Greece




    Target: Dibran_Father
    Distance: 1.1215% / 1.12148454

    27.2 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
    23.8 Pomak_Xanthi
    21.0 Sardinian
    16.4 Greek_Northern-Thrace
    7.2 Lebanese_Druze
    4.2 Greek_Trabzon
    0.2 Macedonian_Greece


    Target: Dibran_Father
    Distance: 2.2084% / 2.20843387 | ADC: 0.25x

    52.2 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
    29.2 Albanian
    12.0 Sardinian
    6.6 Pomak_Xanthi


    Target: Dibran_Father
    Distance: 3.2742% / 3.27416516 | ADC: 0.5x

    56.0 Albanian
    37.6 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
    5.2 Sardinian
    1.2 Algerian_Jewish


    K13Ancient:


    Target: Dibran_Father
    Distance: 2.2841% / 2.28405218 | ADC: 0.25x

    66.8 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian
    15.0 Bar8_Anatolian_Neolithic_Barcin_6212_6030_BCE8222_ 8040_ybp
    11.0 SZ20_szolad_hungary_longobard
    5.6 scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce
    1.2 ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC
    0.4 I7426_iberia




    Distance to: Dibran_Father
    6.84813843 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian
    11.32818609 SZ32_szolad_hungary_longobard
    11.81369967 SZ40_szolad_hungary_longobard

    12.13224217 SZ37_szolad_hungary_longobard
    13.05864465 SZ1.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    13.19786725 SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_6-th_century
    13.36297497 SZ36.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    13.39810434 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
    14.47944750 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    14.95215369 scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce
    15.32874424 CrusaderSI53KingdomofJerusalem
    15.65184654 I7424_morisco
    15.74446887 SZ43.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    16.29414005 I7424_morisco2
    16.30319601 I3808_morisco_I3808_morisco
    16.63006314 CL36_collegno_italy_longobard
    16.72736082 SZ28_szolad_hungary_longobard
    16.74627123 CL121_collegno_italy_longobard
    16.85198208 SZ19_szolad_hungary_longobard
    17.74226028 IA_Ardea_R850
    17.87511119 IA_Civitavecchia_R475
    18.11703618 I12647_iberia
    18.14362422 I12647_iberia2
    18.46852458 I7499_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE2
    18.54656302 I3808_iberia


    Running Thraco_Kimmerian against my father:


    Target: MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian
    Distance: 1.3892% / 1.38919657 | ADC: 0.25x
    80.6 Dibran_Father

    8.4 CL110_collegno_italy_longobard
    3.0 SaryBel_Russia_RISE602_Sary0Bel._Russia
    3.0 V2_Vratitsa_Bulgaria_1500_1100_BC_M_U2e1_2_3
    1.6 RISE407_Armenian_LBA
    1.2 ANCIENT_SA6001Sharakhalsun6_Steppe_of_Maykop_cultu re_5444
    1.0 ANCIENT_VJ1001_Vonyuchka_1_Steppe_of_N_Caucasus_62 42_year_old
    0.8 RISE407_Norabak_Armenia_2827_years_CT_M5805_H8a
    0.4 AY2001_Aygurskiy_2_Steppe_Maykop_5271_5_T2e

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    My Mother:


    K13 Modern:


    Distance to: Dibran_Mother
    2.22298320 Kosovo_Albanian
    3.03117139 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
    3.28397625 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East

    3.47142622 Albanian
    3.62939389 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
    3.92322571 Vlach_North-Macedonia
    4.43372304 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
    4.68892312 Greek_Central-Macedonia
    5.18954719 Greek_Thessaloniki
    5.19636411 Greek_Western-Macedonia
    5.35211173 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
    5.35496032 Greek_Thessaly
    5.47417574 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
    5.87451966 North_Macedonian
    6.06470939 Macedonian_Southeast
    6.26196455 Macedonian_Central
    6.30479976 Greek_Peloponnese
    6.46352071 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
    6.48000772 Macedonian_Southwest
    6.59423233 Macedonian_North
    6.62502350 Bulgarian_Thrace
    6.63723587 Turk_Alexandroupoli
    6.64586338 GR_Macedonia
    6.89069663 Greek_Western-Thrace
    6.96596727 Turk_Kavala




    Target: Dibran_Mother
    Distance: 1.0075% / 1.00751159 | ADC: 0.5x

    42.8 Kosovo_Albanian
    22.6 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
    19.2 Albanian
    8.2 Vlach_North-Macedonia
    4.6 Serb_North-Macedonia
    2.6 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East


    Target: Dibran_Mother
    Distance: 0.7507% / 0.75073438 | ADC: 0.25x

    29.4 Kosovo_Albanian
    26.8 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
    24.6 Albanian
    10.6 Vlach_North-Macedonia
    8.0 Serb_North-Macedonia
    0.6 Greek_Peloponnese


    K13Ancient:


    Distance to: Dibran_Mother
    5.97952339 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian
    8.80801340 SZ1.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    8.93100778 SZ32_szolad_hungary_longobard

    9.19652108 SZ37_szolad_hungary_longobard
    9.28174553 SZ36.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    9.89020222 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    10.89342921 SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_6-th_century
    12.35422600 CL36_collegno_italy_longobard
    13.22728997 SZ43.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    13.46365478 DA195_Hungary_Scythian
    13.92451435 CrusaderSI53KingdomofJerusalem
    14.14964664 SZ28_szolad_hungary_longobard
    14.26841617 I7424_morisco2
    14.30894825 scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce
    14.40588769 SZ40_szolad_hungary_longobard
    14.66658106 I7424_morisco
    15.48080424 CL121_collegno_italy_longobard
    15.93637035 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
    16.50686221 CL23_collegno_italy_longobard
    16.56552444 CL49_collegno_italy_longobard
    16.97227150 SZ27_szolad_hungary_longobard
    16.99817637 I12647_iberia2
    17.27123331 SZ45.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    17.39381212 I12647_iberia
    17.48317191 RISE254_Szazhalombatta_Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years_ GHIJK_Z12203_J1c9




    Target: Dibran_Mother
    Distance: 1.8057% / 1.80573540 | ADC: 0.25x

    60.6 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian
    17.8 SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_6-th_century
    13.2 SZ36.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    4.2 RISE555_Stalingard_Quarry_Russia_4082_years_R_CTS6 23_N1a
    2.6 I7426_iberia
    1.0 DA195_Hungary_Scythian
    0.6 SZ20_szolad_hungary_longobard


    Running Thraco_Kimmerian against source code with my moms data:


    Target: MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian
    Distance: 2.2071% / 2.20710510 | ADC: 0.25x
    78.6 Dibran_Mother

    13.0 Chalcolithic_Age_Anatolian_Barcinhoyuk._Turkey_394 3_BC
    3.6 ANCIENT_SA6001Sharakhalsun6_Steppe_of_Maykop_cultu re_5444
    3.4 sar00665_sar00665
    1.0 RISE497_Arban_1_Russia_2000_years_F_P142_A2f2
    0.4 HDGP01037_Pima_Male_HDGP01037

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    Mine, K13 Modern
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    Interesting that I have better matches with Greek Macedonian samples rather than Thracian samples in K13 Modern. Are the samples actually averages of individual samples or individual samples. If averages how big are the sample sizes and did they take care so the people who are sampled from that area are local for at least couple of generations?

    Mine, K13 Ancient.
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    Distance to: TorzioK13
    5.14279107 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
    7.21271793 CL36_collegno_italy_longobard
    7.47605511 SZ36.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    7.54191620 SZ28_szolad_hungary_longobard
    7.62072831 RISE254_Szazhalombatta_Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years_ GHIJK_Z12203_J1c9
    7.71743481 CL49_collegno_italy_longobard
    7.83749960 DA195_Hungary_Scythian
    8.02793871 SZ43.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    8.32675207 DA199_Late_Medieval_Hungary
    8.40845408 SZ45.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    8.55622580 SZ37_szolad_hungary_longobard
    8.69714321 SZ32_szolad_hungary_longobard
    8.70789871 CL23_collegno_italy_longobard
    9.38891900 SZ27_szolad_hungary_longobard
    9.47101367 SZ1.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    9.66252038 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    9.66802979 SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_6-th_century
    10.28309292 I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1 _2
    10.32287751 scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce
    10.45008134 CL94_collegno_italy_longobard
    10.54462896 CL57_collegno_italy_longobard
    10.83154190 ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC
    11.10855526 SZ18_szolad_hungary_longobard
    11.34702604 CL47_collegno_italy_longobard
    11.45461916 I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1

    modern

    Distance to: TorzioK13
    3.67639769 Veneto
    4.02309582 Friuli-VG
    5.05029702 Trentino
    5.33033770 Piedmont
    6.76126467 Emilia
    6.77602391 Liguria
    7.36383731 Lombardy
    7.52062497 Tuscany
    7.80923172 Swiss-Italian
    8.93821571 Swiss_Italian
    9.53515076 Bulgarian_Central
    9.56837401 North_Macedonian
    9.88147256 Vlach_North-Macedonia
    10.12177460 Kosovo_Albanian
    10.14693550 Romagna
    10.26777483 Bulgarian_Serres
    10.32991287 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
    10.35403303 Bulgarian_Southwest
    10.36188207 Greek_Central-Macedonia
    10.39392130 Macedonian_East
    10.59492803 Macedonian_Northwest
    10.77944340 Tuscan
    10.89274529 Bosniak_Sandzak
    10.91829199 AostaValley
    11.28342357 Montenegrin


    and modern original data

    Distance to: TorzioK13
    4.76465816 North_Italian
    10.77944340 Tuscan
    11.39735934 Romanian
    12.72077042 Bulgarian
    12.85499903 Portuguese
    12.97082110 Serbian
    13.63928884 Spanish_Extremadura
    13.69081079 Spanish_Galicia
    14.22808490 Greek_Thessaly
    14.55673384 Spanish_Cataluna
    15.02219025 Spanish_Murcia
    15.13221729 Spanish_Valencia
    15.27622008 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
    15.31498612 Spanish_Andalucia
    15.34720822 French
    16.59366445 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    17.04583820 Italian_Abruzzo
    17.60021023 Spanish_Cantabria
    17.61104767 West_Sicilian
    18.68371483 Southwest_French
    18.82113174 West_German
    19.30889432 Austrian
    19.49226513 Hungarian
    19.95598156 Spanish_Aragon
    20.03665890 South_Dutch

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    Top 25 distances K13 Ancient. SZ40 and R437 are both < 5 on Dodecad so getting consistent results on those 2.

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    2.83464283 SZ40_szolad_hungary_longobard
    5.74799965 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
    9.74105230 CL121_collegno_italy_longobard
    10.59341777 I8215_3iberia
    10.62085213 I3808_morisco_I3808_morisco
    10.72019589 SZ19_szolad_hungary_longobard
    10.85205971 I8215_2iberia
    11.47086745 CL38_collegno_italy_longobard
    11.49500326 IA_Ardea_R850
    11.87954124 CrusaderSI53KingdomofJerusalem
    11.88104373 CL30_collegno_italy_longobard
    11.89761741 I3808_iberia
    12.62005547 CL25_collegno_italy_longobard
    12.98982679 SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_6-th_century
    13.13010663 I8215_iberia
    13.30179687 SZ37_szolad_hungary_longobard
    13.64714622 I7424_morisco
    13.71895404 I7424_morisco2
    13.79710477 I7499_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE2
    14.04115024 SZ31_szolad_hungary_longobard
    14.04937365 SZ32_szolad_hungary_longobard
    14.12281133 SZ36.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    14.59112401 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian
    15.78834380 SZ43.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    15.95079622 I8146_Muslim_Iberian(Emirate_of_Granada)

    K13 Updated top 25 distances:

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    3.63130830 West_Sicilian
    4.27984813 Molise
    4.53094913 Apulia
    4.54467821 Abruzzo
    5.01440924 Campania
    5.30913364 Sicily
    5.36017724 Basilicata
    6.03359760 Malta
    6.04806581 East_Sicilian
    6.68697989 Calabria
    7.02694101 Central_Greek
    8.55354313 Marche
    8.61175360 Lazio
    8.68674277 Greek_Andros_Island
    9.16282162 Greek_Western-Thrace
    9.23201495 Ashkenazi
    9.66857280 Umbria
    9.72998972 Moroccan_Jew
    10.07475062 Greek_Symi_Island
    10.19252177 Italian_Jewish
    10.65898213 Romagna
    10.74883249 Sephardic_Jewish
    10.85722801 Tuscan
    10.87747213 Algerian_Jewish
    11.43605920 GR_Peloponese

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    Screen Shot 2020-02-17 at 2.23.15 PM.pngThis is mine, starting with the modern and going to the distance for the Ancient (the other one in Ancient was split up into about 50 groups with an average of 2 percent for each...Screen Shot 2020-02-17 at 2.23.32 PM.jpg

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    Distance to: Carlosk13
    5.99357156 Spanish_Cantabria
    6.65038345 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    7.07265862 Southwest_French
    7.98839158 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
    8.09111241 Spanish_Aragon
    8.12444460 Spanish_Galicia
    8.17633781 Spanish_Andalucia
    8.41938240 Spanish_Cataluna
    8.42352064 Spanish_Extremadura
    9.21772749 Spanish_Murcia
    9.24409541 Portuguese
    9.59140761 Spanish_Valencia
    13.08031727 French
    16.10858777 French_Basque
    16.42111141 North_Italian
    18.71481232 South_Dutch
    19.45701159 West_German
    22.24301688 Southwest_English
    22.79234740 Southeast_English
    23.37091141 Tuscan
    24.91886233 Orcadian
    25.11564652 Austrian
    25.44782898 Irish
    25.49558393 West_Scottish
    26.67815211 North_Dutch


    Experimenting I have put a 2'34% North African at 0% and a 0´54% sub-Saharan of my K13 coordinates at 0% to see if by elimination my hidden E-V22 appears and this is the result a strip appears that was not before and now it is filled with Italian regions territories of Switzerland but I remember correctly SZ18 Medieval is from Tyrol and is from haplogroup E and also scy197b have Deep Dive in Egypt.

    So if that 2.34% of North Africa gives me Morocco and if I remove it I get Switzerland and its surroundings, it gives me to think.

    Distance to: Carlosk13
    5.89149387 Spanish_Cantabria
    6.65949698 Southwest_French
    6.73937683 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    7.86733119 Spanish_Aragon
    8.20908034 Spanish_Galicia
    8.22747227 Spanish_Andalucia
    8.24963029 Spanish_Cataluna
    8.26416360 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
    8.50073526 Spanish_Extremadura
    9.31562666 Spanish_Murcia
    9.40110100 Spanish_Valencia
    9.42649988 Portuguese
    10.98730176 AostaValley
    12.87574076 French
    13.51896446 Swiss-Italian
    14.96548696 Piedmont
    15.29975817 Swiss_Italian
    15.36679212 Swiss_French
    15.96221163 French_Basque
    15.98686961 Trentino
    16.38120875 Veneto
    16.43131157 Lombardy
    17.29571045 Swiss_German
    18.25253955 Friuli-VG
    18.30220752 Liguria
    18.57608678 South_Dutch


    Target: Carlosk13
    Distance: 1.0709% / 1.07091162
    66.6 French_Basque

    8.8 Georgian

    6.4 Southwest_French

    5.8 Lithuanian

    3.2 Somali

    2.4 Saudi

    2.0 Moroccan

    1.6 Sardinian

    1.4 Selkup

    1.2 Erzya

    0.6 Russian_Smolensk

    Here I have done exactly the same and Morocco disappears and Ossetian gets disappears Georgians and Cossacks Kuban get.

    Target: Carlosk13
    Distance: 1.1884% / 1.18842766
    69.6 French_Basque

    10.0 Cossacks_Kuban

    9.0 North_Ossetian

    6.4 Saudi

    4.0 Sardinian

    1.0 Selkup
    Curious isn't it?

    2.34% of North Africa and 0.54% sub-Saharan at 0%
    Distance to: Carlosk13
    6.80352850 I6581_Silesia_Bell_Beaker_R1b_R1b
    8.09940739 I8203_iberia
    8.11974753 IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
    8.54883033 CL94_collegno_italy_longobard
    9.67765984 I8474_iberia
    9.67913219 I3759_Celtiberian_I3759_Celtiberian_m
    9.72864842 I3757_Celtiberian_I3757_Celtiberian_U
    9.75135375 I12649_low_quality
    10.01592232 CrusaderSI40KingdomofJerusalem
    10.48565210 I6582_Silesia_Bell_Beaker
    10.79191827 I3758_Celtiberian_U
    10.90818958 RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary_CT_M5751_H2a1
    11.84118237 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    13.02305648 RISE254_Szazhalombatta_Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years_ GHIJK_Z12203_J1c9
    13.46931327 I12516_iberia
    13.75547527 CL57_collegno_italy_longobard
    13.75795043 IA_Ardea_R851
    13.88322729 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    14.12005312 DA199_Late_Medieval_Hungary
    14.13517598 RISE564_Osterhofen_Altenmark_Germany_M_R_L51_HV
    14.32590311 CL47_collegno_italy_longobard
    14.36650967 CL23_collegno_italy_longobard
    14.81985830 BeakerNorthItaly_I2478
    14.81985830 I2478_Beaker_North_Italy_I2478
    14.93184182 CL102_collegno_italy_longobard

    Con el 2,34% de norte África y el 0,54% sub-saharan
    Distance to: Carlosk13
    7.21492897 I6581_Silesia_Bell_Beaker_R1b_R1b
    8.35882767 I8203_iberia
    8.46297229 IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
    8.58769468 CL94_collegno_italy_longobard
    9.66127838 I8474_iberia
    9.90558428 I3757_Celtiberian_I3757_Celtiberian_U
    9.95797168 I3759_Celtiberian_I3759_Celtiberian_m
    9.96173178 I12649_low_quality
    10.29980097 CrusaderSI40KingdomofJerusalem
    10.74408209 I6582_Silesia_Bell_Beaker
    10.91349165 I3758_Celtiberian_U
    11.16941359 RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary_CT_M5751_H2a1
    11.99042952 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    12.97778101 I12516_iberia
    13.24262814 RISE254_Szazhalombatta_Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years_ GHIJK_Z12203_J1c9
    13.89504588 CL57_collegno_italy_longobard
    13.96597293 IA_Ardea_R851
    14.08940027 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    14.30416722 RISE564_Osterhofen_Altenmark_Germany_M_R_L51_HV
    14.32281746 DA199_Late_Medieval_Hungary
    14.47721658 CL23_collegno_italy_longobard
    14.50645029 CL47_collegno_italy_longobard
    14.89184676 I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1 _2
    15.01317421 BeakerNorthItaly_I2478
    15.01317421 I2478_Beaker_North_Italy_I2478

    I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1 _2

    More or less the same and I get this difference match as a gift

    I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1_2
    ----------------------------------------Me is E1b1b1a1c*V22
    ----------------------------------------s it that easy and simple?

    What about the old E that has been found in Europe, where is it and I speak of the from early age onwards era onwards?
    Last edited by Carlos; 18-02-20 at 23:05.

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    Stuvane' (mei scuse, for not getting the accent on the e correct in my typing). Are you from Tuscany? Your location indicates Milan. Just curios how accurate Eurogenes K13 updated is for other people. I personally think it is much better than the original K13 calculator.
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    Ancient

    Distance to: hygili4k
    4.84292267 IA_Civitavecchia_R474
    6.41681385 I12516_iberia
    6.78604450 I12649_low_quality
    7.38675165 I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1
    7.63217531 CL23_collegno_italy_longobard
    7.70249959 RISE254_Szazhalombatta_Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years_ GHIJK_Z12203_J1c9
    7.79768555 IA_Boville_Ernica_R1021
    8.04349427 I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1 _2
    8.08176961 CL94_collegno_italy_longobard
    8.48836851 CrusaderSI40KingdomofJerusalem
    9.00169984 SZ43.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    9.25687312 ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC
    9.34416930 I12647_iberia
    9.40691235 IA_Civitavecchia_R473
    9.61761405 I12644_Muslim_Iberian_1100_1300_CE2
    9.75610578 I12647_iberia2
    9.76303232 IA_Prenestina_Colombella_R435
    9.81327163 CL36_collegno_italy_longobard
    10.24874626 IA_Castel_di_Decima_R1016
    10.32823799 IA_Etruscan_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia_R1015
    10.49142507 CrusaderSI41KingdomofJerusalem
    11.04567336 IA_Ardea_R851
    11.12090374 SZ28_szolad_hungary_longobard
    11.61833895 I3807_morisco
    11.72026877 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1

    Updated

    Distance to: hygili4k
    4.98511785 Spanish_Extremadura
    5.25495956 Spanish_Andalucia
    6.20883242 Spanish_Murcia
    6.38604729 Portuguese
    7.07472968 Spanish_Valencia
    7.43146688 Lombardy
    7.50881482 Piedmont
    7.53541638 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    7.93166439 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
    7.95954144 Swiss-Italian
    8.06631886 Spanish_Galicia
    8.08826928 Spanish_Cataluna
    8.80408428 Liguria
    9.12693267 Swiss_Italian
    9.17797908 Veneto
    9.79350295 Emilia
    10.31963178 Spanish_Cantabria
    10.36342125 AostaValley
    10.43274652 Spanish_Aragon
    10.76139861 Trentino
    11.17400555 Tuscany
    11.73932281 Friuli-VG
    12.60752553 FrenchCorsica
    12.82830464 Southwest_French
    13.19324827 Tuscan

    Original

    Distance to: hygili4k
    4.98511785 Spanish_Extremadura
    5.25495956 Spanish_Andalucia
    6.20883242 Spanish_Murcia
    6.38604729 Portuguese
    7.07472968 Spanish_Valencia
    7.11752766 North_Italian
    7.53541638 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    7.93166439 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
    8.06631886 Spanish_Galicia
    8.08826928 Spanish_Cataluna
    10.31963178 Spanish_Cantabria
    10.43274652 Spanish_Aragon
    12.82830464 Southwest_French
    13.19324827 Tuscan
    14.67336362 French
    20.70716301 West_Sicilian
    21.14822924 Italian_Abruzzo
    21.38602815 West_German
    21.65291435 South_Dutch
    22.83911995 Greek_Thessaly
    23.17133574 Romanian
    23.90264630 French_Basque
    24.17876341 Serbian
    24.41183729 Bulgarian
    25.91210721 Central_Greek

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Stuvane' (mei scuse, for not getting the accent on the e correct in my typing). Are you from Tuscany? Your location indicates Milan. Just curios how accurate Eurogenes K13 updated is for other people. I personally think it is much better than the original K13 calculator.
    @Palermo Trapani

    I'm living in Milan, but I'm half from Romagna (especially Rimini's hinterland, i.e. Coriano, near San Marino and Verucchio) and the other half from the province of Ferrara (rural suburbs of Copparo)

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    Country: Macedonia



    Distance to: macman
    2.12160786 Macedonian
    2.65802558 Bulgarian
    3.10367524 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
    3.24000000 Macedonian_Northwest
    3.32747652 Romanian_Muntenia
    3.56943973 Romanian_Oltenia
    3.67148471 Bulgarian_Central
    3.98244900 Macedonian_East
    4.24651622 Pomak_Plovdiv
    4.27186508 North_Macedonian
    4.38821148 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
    4.40844644 Bulgarian_Pleven
    4.52821157 Pomak_Nevrokopi
    4.61931863 Montenegrin
    4.69529552 Bulgarian_Sofia
    4.74902095 Bosniak_Sandzak
    4.81134077 Romanian_Transylvania
    4.87366392 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
    5.01090810 Macedonian_North
    5.07716456 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
    5.60425731 Bulgarian_Southwest
    5.80879506 Bulgarian_Serres
    5.85618476 Macedonian_Central
    5.92877728 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
    6.14596616 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
    6.26779866 Turk_N-Macedonia
    6.49311944 Greek_Northern-Thrace
    6.57810003 Turk_Razgrad
    6.81967741 Bulgarian_Pazardzhik
    6.91874266 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
    7.28129109 Vlach_North-Macedonia
    7.57458910 Macedonian_Southwest
    7.75272477 Serbian_new
    7.83132811 Pomak_Drama
    7.85187876 Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes

    Target: Macman
    Distance: 0.1726% / 0.17255929
    23.0 Greek_Northern-Thrace
    19.2 Greek_Western-Macedonia
    10.8 Macedonian_East
    10.0 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
    8.8 Pomak_Xanthi
    5.8 Greek_Thessaloniki
    3.8 Southwest_Finnish
    3.6 Bosniak_Tuzla
    2.2 Trentino
    2.2 Latvian
    2.0 Belorussian
    2.0 Estonian
    1.4 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
    0.8 Austrian
    0.8 Norwegian
    0.8 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
    0.6 Macedonian_North
    0.4 German_east
    0.4 Papuan
    0.4 Macedonian_Greece
    0.2 Greek_Chios
    0.2 Swiss_German
    0.2 Macedonian_Southwest
    0.2 Macedonian_Central
    0.2 Pomak_Plovdiv



    Target: Macman
    Distance: 1.8241% / 1.82405850 | ADC: 0.25x
    40.4 DA195_Hungary_Scythian
    34.6 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian
    13.8 SZ20_szolad_hungary_longobard
    8.6 Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a
    1.6 K2_52_vengr_lider
    0.8 I7426_iberia
    0.2 SZ1.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard

    When i remove Scythian_DA195,even better distance.

    Target: Macman
    Distance: 1.5659% / 1.56585594 | ADC: 0.25x
    46.2 MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian
    13.4 SZ1.SG_szolad_hungary_longobard
    12.6 SZ20_szolad_hungary_longobard
    11.0 DA191_Hungary_Scythian_550_BC_550_bc
    7.2 Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian_I2a_I2a
    7.0 RISE569_Early_Medieval_Czech_2000_years_F_H1af2
    2.6 CL49_collegno_italy_longobard

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    Stuvane: Grazie Mille. It seems that The K13 updated is doing a good job for you as well. I have seen some others here either from Italy or Americans/Australians of Italian ancestry from various Regions all getting more accurate coordinates for both Dodecad 12B updated and Euro K13 updated, vs the earlier versions of these calculators that as Angela noted had some limitations on distinguishing among Italians, Greeks/Balkans and also Ashkenazi, etc. Haven't been to the Emilia-Romagna region but given the historic city of Ravenna is there, is on my bucket list to visit. It and Florence will be my first stops once I venture North of Rome.

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    3.16794886 MigrationPeriod_DA119_Slovakia_3750400_AD
    7.08913253 SZ12_szolad_hungary_longobard
    7.25202730 CL92_collegno_italy_longobard
    7.31465652 SZ42_szolad_hungary_longobard
    7.44259363 I0112_BellBeaker
    7.66480920 RISE431_Wielkopolska_Proto_Unetice_R1a_R1a
    7.69542721 DA194_Hungary_Scythian
    7.79553077 SZ7_szolad_hungary_longobard
    7.79782662 SZ24_szolad_hungary_longobard
    7.98342658 SZ22_szolad_hungary_longobard
    8.02975716 I0116_Unetice
    8.09891351 Albertsdedt_Germany_LN_M107790
    8.10705249 Hinxton_5_Cambridgshire_UK_1300_years_F_H2a2a1
    8.26947399 RISE98_L_Beddinge_56_Sweden_3736_years_M_R_M405_K1 b1a
    8.32346683 SZ16_szolad_hungary_longobard
    8.60431287 RISE436_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4124_years_M_CT_CTS3662_ N
    8.61991299 el_Miron8.84472724SZ41_szolad_hungary_longobard
    9.04336774 sz22_Longobard9.17986383Hallstatt_Celt_DA112_Bylan y_Czechia
    9.23172790 I0099_HalberstadtLNBA9.34123653grt036_Sigtuna_10_1 2_century
    9.42941674 CL84_collegno_italy_longobard
    9.46512546 SZ38_szolad_hungary_longobard
    9.86223098 SZ25_szolad_hungary_longobard

    Cible: YanArmoal
    Distance: 1.0321% / 1.03213310 | ADC: 0,25x

    70.6 MigrationPeriod_DA119_Slovakia_3750400_AD
    9.4 RISE431_Wielkopolska_Proto_Unetice_R1a_R1a
    5.0 SZ25_szolad_hungary_longobard
    4.0 DA191_Hungary_Scythian_550_BC_550_bc
    3.8 CL92_collegno_italy_longobard
    2.6 84005_Sigtuna_10_12_century
    1.4 RISE145_Wielkopolska_Unetice
    1.4 RISE523_Kapova_cave_Russia_3192_years_G2a1
    1.0 JK1968_Levaluhta
    0.8 SZ42_szolad_hungary_longobard



    k13 modifi
    5.59124315 danois
    6.14730022 sudois
    6.57479277 North_German
    6.92030346 German_West
    7.59540651 East_German
    8.54496928 autrichien
    8.94501537 norvgien
    9.06233965 German_east
    9.30972610 Nerlandais du Nord
    9.76987717 Anglais
    10.01724513 South_Dutch
    10.17117987 West_German
    10.38246599 Nord-sudois
    10.41798925 Orcadien
    10.49581345 Southeast_English
    11.80044914 irlandais
    12.43952973 tchque
    12.44664613 Suisse allemand
    12.61152647 Southwest_English
    12.66766750 West_Scottish
    12.92891720 cossais
    13.01908599 gallois
    13.06773890 Kaykavian_Croatian
    13.22237119 hongrois
    15.01325454 slovaque


    Cible: yanarmoal
    Distance: 1,6752% / 1,67522737 | ADC: 0,25x
    36.4 danois
    23.8 German_east
    23.0 sudois
    12.4 East_German
    2.8 Swiss_Italian
    1.6 Southwest_French

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    Distance to: Carlosk13
    5.99357156 Spanish_Cantabria
    6.65038345 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    7.07265862 Southwest_French
    7.98839158 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
    8.09111241 Spanish_Aragon
    8.12444460 Spanish_Galicia
    8.17633781 Spanish_Andalucia
    8.41938240 Spanish_Cataluna
    8.42352064 Spanish_Extremadura
    9.21772749 Spanish_Murcia
    9.24409541 Portuguese
    9.59140761 Spanish_Valencia
    13.08031727 French
    16.10858777 French_Basque
    16.42111141 North_Italian
    18.71481232 South_Dutch
    19.45701159 West_German
    22.24301688 Southwest_English
    22.79234740 Southeast_English
    23.37091141 Tuscan
    24.91886233 Orcadian
    25.11564652 Austrian
    25.44782898 Irish
    25.49558393 West_Scottish
    26.67815211 North_Dutch
    The data presented in this report are only statistical approximations. However, thanks to our test,
    featuring 700,000 genetic markers, we can achieve a great level of detail.



    Target: Carlosk13
    Distance: 1.0709% / 1.0709116266.6French_Basque
    8.8Georgian
    6.4Southwest_French
    5.8Lithuanian
    3.2Somali
    2.4Saudi
    2.0Moroccan
    1.6Sardinian
    1.4Selkup
    1.2Erzya
    0.6Russian_Smolensk




    I was surprised by this company because of the amount of regional data it handles.


    The total data is practically the same as FTDNA has given me with the exception of 4.10% for Russia.


    Is that 4% approx. from North Africa who never know where to place it, LivingDNA in Arabia, FTDNA in the Middle East now these in Morocco, Algeria so I have to find out how much percent a modern Moroccan gets with Iberia or Spain in case it was a boumerang effect or as a mirror since it is something too small to be modern or relatively modern or it is really old and they carry it and bring it from one place to another, anyway I will find out what someone modern in those regions gets with Iberia.

    Cantabria does not appear that appears to me in everything and everything. I don't know if Cantabria is a good wild card for the rest of Spanish regions or something happens.

    With Navarra, Ireland, Scotland, England I have the maps with modern matches and I have enough results, also with Aragon on the same line with surnames of Aragonese origin that I do have in my tree, along with the maps of old MTA samples of those areas as with Girona.

    Connacht well, all I have is that a brother of my mother has the same look as Sean Connery, it's more than anything.


    Somalia, Ethiopia e.t.c. it's logical since I'm E-V22


    Sardinia imagine that it is basal and is something like generic.


    Poitou Charente I will have to investigate.


    Less one can be noise from the rest, but hey, there they are.

    So at least with most of these results so accurate and based on such a large number of samples is the first time I get set-ups in my memory about them, really if they continue in this line this company seems to give somewhat hopeful results after So crazy

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