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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Absolutely not.

    This is Peugeot (aggressive, masculine look, popular with the armed forces in Belgium and France).







    Now here are the rounded, feminine Renaults and Citröen:

    Renault Zoe



    Renault Clio





    Citroën C1




    Citroën C3







    That's a vintage car. Never seen it. Not sold anymore. So irrelevant for this thread. Modern Lancia look like this (the Ypsillon is the only one that is still sold):


    Your comment is inconsistent. In the OP, there is nothing stating that it refers to current cars, you speak about brands, and brands are not only current cars, but also old cars. In fact, I would say the most content of a brand is the old cars, not the new ones.

    I see you have added this as an edit. By the edit is later than my post. So, criticizing me for doing something that was perfectly included in the original post, is absurd. In addition to this, we all have time restrictions, and criticizing people for using their time to contribute positively to a post is somewhat surreal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farstar View Post
    Your comment is inconsistent. In the OP, there is nothing stating that it refers to current cars, you speak about brands, and brands are not only current cars, but also old cars. In fact, I would say the most content of a brand is the old cars, not the new ones.

    I see you have added this as an edit. By the edit is later than my post. So, criticizing me for doing something that was perfectly included in the original post, is absurd. In addition to this, we all have time restrictions, and criticizing people for using their time to contribute positively to a post is somewhat surreal.
    Regarding your comment about French cars all being the same, I could give you examples of older models that are just as divergent.

    As for your mention of the Lancia Delta Integrale, I don't understand why you brought it up at all since this kind of car cannot drive in most European cities anymore due to the low-emission zone (LEZ) regulations. In Belgium diesel cars that are not at least Euro 4 compliant (meaning made from 2005 onwards) cannot enter big cities anymore. From 2022 it will be Euro 5 (cars made from 2009). In other words most cars on the road in the country at less than 15 years old as hardly anybody who has a car decide never to enter cities (almost all Belgium is within one hour drive from Brussels). I don't know where you live in Catalonia, but Barcelona also has a minimum of Euro 4 for diesel cars and Euro 3 for petrol cars.

    It is difficult enough to assess if a whole brand is more feminine or masculine using only current cars. It would be madness to try to include all the car models that have ever existed (not to mention completely irrelevant to most people). It's true that I did not explicitly mention it in the OP originally, but that there things that are tacitly implied because it just makes sense. When someone ask what is the best city to live in or which country has the strongest economy, it is normally unnecessary to mention that we are talking about the current situation, not 30 and 100 years ago!
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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Agree, also masculine are alfa-romeo and ferrari.....while fiats are fem..
    Vw are fem.
    Porcshe, bmw are man.
    Volvo are fem
    Skoda are man
    Toyota and most others japanese vehicles are gender neutral
    I say that the Giulia is a Girl.

    Alfa Romeo agrees (I think), That's why she has a female name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I say that the Giulia is a Girl.

    Alfa Romeo agrees (I think), That's why she has a female name.
    my first car

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    Alfa-Romeo GTV 1750 ........................a male or female ?

    white colour

    real timber finish inside including the steering wheel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I say that the Giulia is a Girl.

    Alfa Romeo agrees (I think), That's why she has a female name.
    Now that, I think, is beautiful. :)

    I used to like Porsches because they had what is perhaps, by these definitions, more "feminine" lines, but no more; they're like all the rest.

    Which current cars available widely in America have lines like this?


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    They sell the Giulia in the US, the AWD sedan too.

    ... from about $ 38.000 / 45.000 and up.

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    I have to admit being disappointed that no one wanted to talk about why a particular car might be seen as male or female. Is there a feature that makes you think that way, or is it performance, or is it function? My take is that there are at least four categories of cars, male, female, infant and none of the above.

    My example of the infant is the Fiat 500. It has the large, open eyes (headlights) of a small child. The car looks, somehow, quietly inquisitive, but not judging, perhaps even in awe of what it sees. The line of the grill is straight and thin, like a somber child, just looking at you blandly. The small curves of the body and the tiny wheels reinforce its unthreatening nature. And yes, it's cute. A lot of Japanese vehicles (at least in the home market) are infants.
    fiat500.jpg

    I've said before that I think the female aspect of a car is in the curve of its fenders, like the breasts and posterior of a woman, i.e. Jaguar XKE. However, if that was the case the Porsche Turbo would be female . . . it's got some big hips! But in this case I think the performance aspect makes it more male (as unfair as that proposition is to women).
    poscheturbo.jpg

    I think that function also plays a part in defining the gender of a vehicle, again with a cultural overtone. That is, a mini-van normally gets tagged as female because its function is to haul around a passel of children. That is, after all, why the SUV became popular; it will haul around a passel of kids yet looks like a backwoods busting, rough-road driving he-man of a vehicle.

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    Excellent analysis. I can't disagree with any of it, and there's not much I can add.

    I never thought of SUVs in that way, but you're right, and that might be part of the reason for their huge share of the market, along with the fact that people feel safer in them. I've heard women say that more than men, and I don't think it's just their bigger size and sturdier look. Women tell me they like being "higher" in comparison to the road and a lot of other cars.

    As I said before, I think they're ugly, nor do I need them in my pretty moderate climate, suburban world, so I was done with SUVs once the "kids" left home. However, we still have my husband's SUV for carting big things around. If I were alone, I'd have to reconsider again.

    As beautiful as cars like the Lamborghinis etc. look, I have no desire to drive at really fast speeds, so it was a strictly aesthetic judgment. I would never, ever buy one.

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    Exotics are, of course, not practical (why would they be?). I remember a Top Gear show where, after filming a Ferrari, Lambo and McLaren in the Louvre courtyard, to avoid scraping off the cars' low-hanging front bumpers, the team had to build ramps to get the cars out on to the street. My wife's BMW M3 has a similar problem and we avoid certain parking lots due to their steep entry/exits. My SUV does not share this problem (we also bought ours for large loads).

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    I rented the GMC Acadia Denali for a business trip. This car is 100% masculine, and has a lot of power in the engine.
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    What about new Tesla cybertruck?
    In a style for children?

    I somehow like it, though there is really little sophistication in terms of form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagne View Post




    What about new Tesla cybertruck?
    In a style for children?

    I somehow like it, though there is really little sophistication in terms of form.
    Dagne, we're going to have to agree to disagree. :)

    I think it's hideous. Not male like or female like or child like. Maybe "alien like" or "machine like"? :)

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    I wish I could see this cybertruck on a read road, among other cars. i suppose against a background of things when the space is filled with colours and forms, its simplicity might have something appealing. But yes, I agree, that by itself it is not the most attractive car, it is more of a kind of provocation to our sense of easthetics...




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    I think the Tesla truck may be another category, the cartoon vehicle. You might imagine drawing it (if you drew badly), but seeing it in real life seems absurd.

    I remember the first time I saw a Chrysler 300, its massive, over-muscled body topped by a tiny, squashed roof/windows, looked like something out of a Batman movie, not a real car. The sports car that Dodge built for a while, the Viper, would be in the same category; a wild fantasy rather than a real car.

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    Not a brand, but a manly characteristic in a car: manual transmission. Of course, many men drive automatic transmissions. Maybe myself, one day I will be forced to drive one. But a manual transmission is one of those irrational things that connect men to a car.

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    Irrational? I've always liked a manual transmission because it makes the driver a more integral part of the driving experience. I admit it is possible that I am irrational, ask my wife, ;).

    I am also leery of the multiple automatic features being added to cars: lane minders, attention alerts, automatic braking, etc. I want to drive the car, not have the car drive me. I understand the safety aspects, but I'm enough of a Luddite to wonder what will happen if/when the 'minders' break or go bonkers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Irrational? I've always liked a manual transmission because it makes the driver a more integral part of the driving experience. I admit it is possible that I am irrational, ask my wife, ;).

    I am also leery of the multiple automatic features being added to cars: lane minders, attention alerts, automatic braking, etc. I want to drive the car, not have the car drive me. I understand the safety aspects, but I'm enough of a Luddite to wonder what will happen if/when the 'minders' break or go bonkers.
    A lot of the 2020 models are offering these features; some more, some less.

    I'm not sure I trust them either.

    Traveling to Italy so often, and automatic transmission cars still being less available, I've had to keep up my manual transmission skills, but I have to admit I like being a bit more on "auto-pilot" with the automatic transmission.

    Learning to drive manual was one of the worst experiences of my dating period with my husband. His first car was an ancient, used VW bug with manual transmission. He thought it was a good idea to do our first lesson on a busy street with red lights every couple of blocks. I predictably stalled the car, he predictably yelled, and I predictably put the car in park, got out and walked away. The next lesson was on a country road that looked like it was going up Everest. Needless to say he had no future as an instructor. It was a month before we went on another date. I got my father to teach me, on a manual transmission car he borrowed from a friend.

    That damn car was a death trap in more ways than one. We regularly would get one to two feet of snow where we lived. It would regularly get stuck in a rut or snow bank. The good news was that it was so light the two of us could just lift it out of ruts. :) It was so small I have no idea how old people drove them. My husband, then boyfriend was six feet tall and a football player. He had to practically scrunch up into a ball.

    The good old days. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    The French burned a lot of bridges (is that the right metaphor?) with the truly awful cars they exported to the US during the early VW Bug craze. The Renault Dauphine is a prime example. Those kind of cars did not survive contact with American highways. The French automakers have never really tried to come back.
    I think it has to do with taxation and factories in continent more, than with car abilities,
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    How about my favorite DS7








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    what is it?



    BTW

    I tend to believe that all modern cars are feminine,
    Automatic gears,
    electric,
    hydraulics,
    turn here turn there,
    camera for Parking,
    sounds for Parking,
    auto-locks
    15 inch polyurethan,
    auto-cruiser
    anti-freeze
    warm 'bucket' for .....
    ABS
    ESP
    .....
    auto-P%T^
    [email protected]#8!
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    etc
    etc,
    THEY ARE ALL DESIGNED TO BE DRIVEN BY WOMEN.

    I think today the only thing that makes a car mesculine is the mechanical gear box, and the (
    today is considered old fashion) handbrake
    hey I don't even keep in my hands the keys,
    the power of owning a car





    the last things in car, that made a man feel the power of the engine of HIS car
    1. the sound or rpm every time HE change the gear (manual mechanic gear box)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    I think it has to do with taxation and factories in continent more, than with car abilities,
    Yet other European car companies have made it here (in Southern California it seems every other car is a BMW or Mercedes). I think it's interesting that so many car companies have managed to sell a lot of cars in the US; Japan, Korea, Germany, England, and Italy, though the last two are not strong players here anymore. Why did the French only make that one attempt circa 1960? I may be wrong, but I don't know of any other attempt to create a French presence in the US car market.

    I wonder too when Chinese and Indian cars will make their attempt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Irrational? I've always liked a manual transmission because it makes the driver a more integral part of the driving experience. I admit it is possible that I am irrational, ask my wife, ;).

    I am also leery of the multiple automatic features being added to cars: lane minders, attention alerts, automatic braking, etc. I want to drive the car, not have the car drive me. I understand the safety aspects, but I'm enough of a Luddite to wonder what will happen if/when the 'minders' break or go bonkers.
    The best cars to buy now are good cars of the era in which still we had manual transmission everywhere, etc. These cars have still most of the necessary amenities, e.g. air conditioning etc and they are fun to drive. Instead, current cars are unavoidably bland, including supposed supercars.

    The only drawback is pollution restrictions. In my case, I am lucky because my car is still in the pollution limits, but it was produced without all these robocontrols which take out the pleasure to drive. But maybe in 5 years, they will ban my car.

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    And I want a car which will drive by itself (absolutely no need for being in control for me, not to say anything about having a transmission)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    BTW

    I tend to believe that all modern cars are feminine,
    Automatic gears,
    electric,
    hydraulics,
    turn here turn there,
    camera for Parking,
    sounds for Parking,
    auto-locks
    15 inch polyurethan,
    auto-cruiser
    anti-freeze
    warm 'bucket' for .....
    ABS
    ESP
    .....
    auto-P%T^
    [email protected]#8!
    para-P&y6
    etc
    etc,
    THEY ARE ALL DESIGNED TO BE DRIVEN BY WOMEN.

    I think today the only thing that makes a car mesculine is the mechanical gear box, and the (
    today is considered old fashion) handbrake
    hey I don't even keep in my hands the keys,
    the power of owning a car





    the last things in car, that made a man feel the power of the engine of HIS car
    1. the sound or rpm every time HE change the gear (manual mechanic gear box)
    2. and start of trip / end of trip (manual handbreak)

    I was talking about looks, not options. Then I disagree that safety features are designed for women. Statistically men get into more fatal accidents than women because they drive more aggressively. That being said, I know more women who have had minor accidents or scratches while manoeuvring... (less good 3D skills in average)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farstar View Post
    Not a brand, but a manly characteristic in a car: manual transmission. Of course, many men drive automatic transmissions. Maybe myself, one day I will be forced to drive one. But a manual transmission is one of those irrational things that connect men to a car.
    I always thought that manual transmissions were better until I tried the new automatic models two years ago. The new automatic gears are so smooth and well designed that they accelerate just as fast as a manual one and we can't feel the change of gear. German cars like BMW, Mercedes and VW (among those I have tried) have different modes for automatic gear (eco, normal, sport), with different gear ratios. BMW has 8 gears on its automatic box. It's also possible to shift gears manually on these new automatic models, but with the added benefit of not having to push the clutch. Driving in a city without clutch does really avoid leg cramps, especially in traffic jams. So there is really no benefit to a manual car anymore. That being said, not all car makers have good automatic gear boxes, especially among cheaper cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    I was talking about looks, not options. Then I disagree that safety features are designed for women. Statistically men get into more fatal accidents than women because they drive more aggressively. That being said, I know more women who have had minor accidents or scratches while manoeuvring... (less good 3D skills in average)
    Indeed.
    but as a man I like to feel and have control of my 'motor-girl'.

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