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    Vahaduo - Unscaled Phenotype Feiichy G25 Calculator

    Just for fun


    A new Vahaduo calculator (based on the unscaled G25 coordinates), that estimates the autosomal distances (and also mixtures) in relation to various human phenotypes:

    http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Unsca...calculator.htm

    Check also the following list

    http://www.humanphenotypes.net/list.html

    My results





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    Distance to: Torzio
    0.02445400 Dinarid
    0.02465312 Aegean-Med
    0.02544108 Pontid
    0.02696412 Noric
    0.02768999 Atlanto-Med
    0.02790273 Alpine
    0.03490115 North_Atlantid
    0.03543064 Keltic_Nordic
    0.03544721 Faelid
    0.03738291 Nordic
    0.03921603 Brunn
    0.04099521 Trønder
    0.04606418 Caspid
    0.04742339 Turanid
    0.04908109 Assyroid
    0.05031691 Neo-Danubian
    0.05198217 Iranid
    0.05239673 East_Baltic
    0.05455648 North_Pontid
    0.05467138 Polynesid
    0.05508758 Armenid
    0.05605165 Gracile_Med
    0.05763726 Pamirid
    0.05893216 Mtebid
    0.06145111 Irano-Afghan


    Target: Torzio
    Distance: 1.5548% / 0.01554840 | ADC: 0.25x
    40.6 Aegean-Med
    30.4 Keltic_Nordic
    13.8 Dinarid
    7.4 Gracile_Med
    5.0 Atlanto-Med
    2.2 Neo-Danubian
    0.6 Uralid


    Target: Torzio
    Distance: 1.7636% / 0.01763646 | ADC: 1x
    35.2 Aegean-Med
    29.0 Atlanto-Med
    21.2 Dinarid
    14.6 Noric



    Target: Torzio
    Distance: 2.0084% / 0.02008431 | ADC: 2x
    53.8 Dinarid
    28.0 Aegean-Med
    18.2 Atlanto-Med
    Fathers mtdna T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna T1a1e
    Sons mtdna K1a4o
    Mum paternal line R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side I1d1-P109
    Wife paternal line R1a-Z282

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    I assume keltoi-nordic is an error and it should be Keltoi-noric
    Nordic = scandinavia
    Noric = austria

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    Eurafricanid (Atlanto-Med) in 0.25 and 0.5

    Target: Juan
    Distance: 1.9977% / 0.01997722 | ADC: 0.5x
    92.0 Atlanto-Med
    4.6 Dinarid
    2.6 Gracile_Med
    0.8 Gracile_Indid


    Target: Juan
    Distance: 1.8761% / 0.01876058 | ADC: 0.25x
    74.2 Atlanto-Med
    11.8 Gracile_Med
    4.2 Gracile_Indid
    3.8 Dinarid
    2.6 Brunn
    2.6 Uralid
    0.8 Saharid


    Target: Juan
    Distance: 1.7644% / 0.01764444
    40.8 Gracile_Med
    40.4 Brunn
    5.6 Gracile_Indid
    5.6 Saharid
    4.0 Uralid
    2.8 Berberid
    0.6 Bantuid.
    0.2 Silvid

    Distance to: Juan
    0.02064511 Atlanto-Med
    0.02824270 Alpine
    0.03788026 Dinarid
    0.03837797 Noric
    0.03906417 North_Atlantid
    0.03935345 Aegean-Med
    0.03991486 Keltic_Nordic
    0.04027980 Pontid
    0.04117616 Faelid
    0.04160321 Brunn
    0.04514379 Trønder
    0.04523229 Nordic
    0.04566498 Gracile_Med
    0.05757812 Turanid
    0.05892987 Polynesid
    0.05937756 Caspid
    0.06218699 Berberid
    0.06218699 Saharid
    0.06221967 Assyroid
    0.06490953 East_Baltic
    0.06518354 Iranid
    0.06597399 Neo-Danubian
    0.06606062 Armenid
    0.06623051 North_Pontid
    0.06869721 Pamirid

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    Indeed....... ALL Dutch are Faelid and all Swedes Nordic.....nonsens packed in vahaduo ;)

    Regarding Europe all you can say is that on AVERAGE in GENERAL the more North the more people are becoming larger, more robust (/less gracile) and lighter featured.

    In this all variations are possible. I'm 6 feet 4 but my grand uncle was to small for military service. I have a Bell Beaker kind of steephead but not all family members have that. I have gold blond hair/ touch of red in it (meanwhile somewhat darkened) but with chestnut eyes.....etc etc etc
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    In the end it's a toy that works like another G25 calculator (maybe with a little patience you can also find which one). The ancestral peoples/groups have been attributed in a somewhat simplified or arbitrary way the various phenotypes, and the game is done. Everything to take with a pinch of salt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    In the end it's a toy that works like another G25 calculator (maybe with a little patience you can also find which one). The ancestral peoples/groups have been attributed in a somewhat simplified or arbitrary way the various phenotypes, and the game is done. Everything to take with a pinch of salt

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    Of course with salt Struvane, but I saw some postings on Apricity from the developer of this whole....seems to take it very serious.

    And could everybody see right trough this all?

    For example the Oera Linda book, written as a gimmick until Heinrich Himmler c.s. took it serious.....

    But of course we are miles away from that! ;)
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    It's a nonsense tool!
    I wonder on what basis they measure distances between phenotypes? We can try to find out kinship of phenotypes but it seems to me very hard to decide of a useful hyerarchy among traits, quantifiable. Very often, here, metrics can even obscurate things (let's took brachycephaly, BI).

    @Northerner: No, more northern doesn't correspond to more robust, even if as a whole a lot of body measures are larger.
    Maybe in types, in North, gracile ones are a bit less fracile, and "robust" types are a bit more "robust"; but not only between individuals but also between regions, there are some visible variations not tied to latitude.The same in pigmentation (an ancient pigmentation levelling based on selection depending on milieu has been unlevelled" (glup!) by recent enough crossings and a future levelling is not already occurred).

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    It is for fun:)

    BTW you can check your phenotype confidence score using this Microsoft tool.



    Open https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/se...ces/face/#demo

    and click "Face verification", than upload real image (frontal view) and phenotype image (or use its URL) and wait few seconds for confidence score. If it is 0.10 or less it means no or weak similarity. This posted below is very high.

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    With my father I take 0.33 with my mother 0.19 among other relatives I get to put Santa Teresita de Lissieux and I get 0.09
    I have pixelated my image because I am very discreet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mlukas View Post
    @MOESAN
    It is for fun:)

    BTW you can check your phenotype confidence score using this Microsoft tool.



    Open https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/se...ces/face/#demo

    and click "Face verification", than upload real image (frontal view) and phenotype image (or use its URL) and wait few seconds for confidence score. If it is 0.10 or less it means no or weak similarity. This posted below is very high.
    Nice tool Lukasz!!!

    And based on the tool I think the vahaduo fails in my case. My results on vahaduo with on the right side the microsoft/photo tool results.

    0.01162039 Nordic 0.09017
    0.01230389 Faelid 0.0863
    0.01392460 Trønder 0.09633
    0.01399012 North_Atlantid 0.09531
    0.01538018 Keltic_Nordic 0.09498
    0.01667625 Brunn 0.08567
    0.02460925 Noric 0.09993
    0.02922024 Alpine 0.08863
    0.03908280 Atlanto-Med
    0.04032854 East_Baltic
    0.04130012 North_Pontid
    0.04236143 Pontid
    0.04793545 Neo-Danubian
    0.04848525 Dinarid 0.1013
    0.05117455 Aegean-Med
    0.05121845 Polynesid
    0.05278150 Turanid
    0.05369542 Pamirid
    0.06054545 Caspid
    0.06149485 Mtebid
    0.06195293 Irano-Afghan
    0.06324044 Iranid
    0.06575030 Nord_Indid
    0.06713569 Assyroid
    0.07093749 Armenid 0.09651

    Dinarid is also seen as the Bell Beaker phenotype and is number 1 (the only one above 0,10). Number 2 is the Norid phenotype, that's also connected to Dinarid.

    And as you can see the number 1 an 2 in vahaduo Nordid and Faelid are in the photo tool even beyond the result most on distance the Armenid!

    The vahaduo tool 'could be saved by the bell' (tough not really because it's all too off road) because I'm convinced that when Anglo-Saxons G25 is added then....it gets very close to my photo tool number 3: Anglo-Saxon Confidence is 0.09844 (almost 0.10).

    0.01148121 Anglo_Saxon
    0.01162039 Nordic
    0.01230389 Faelid
    0.01392460 Trønder
    0.01399012 North_Atlantid
    0.01538018 Keltic_Nordic
    0.01667625 Brunn
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    0.03811666 Alpine
    0.04000273 Noric
    0.04511651 Atlanto-Med
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    0.06384568 Mtebid
    0.06485987 East_Baltic
    0.06524424 Pamirid
    0.06543669 Polynesid
    0.06855493 Irano-Afghan



    Target: Dibran
    Distance: 1.9955% / 0.01995536
    65.6 Dinarid
    17.2 Gracile_Med
    10.6 North_Pontid
    6.4 Armenid
    0.2 Bambutid

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    According to that Microsoft tool, I look more like my maternal grandfather (0.12) than my paternal grandfather (0.08)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey37 View Post
    According to that Microsoft tool, I look more like my maternal grandfather (0.12) than my paternal grandfather (0.08)
    Ok and that's in reality not the case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    It's a nonsense tool!
    I wonder on what basis they measure distances between phenotypes? We can try to find out kinship of phenotypes but it seems to me very hard to decide of a useful hyerarchy among traits, quantifiable. Very often, here, metrics can even obscurate things (let's took brachycephaly, BI).

    @Northerner: No, more northern doesn't correspond to more robust, even if as a whole a lot of body measures are larger.
    Maybe in types, in North, gracile ones are a bit less fracile, and "robust" types are a bit more "robust"; but not only between individuals but also between regions, there are some visible variations not tied to latitude.The same in pigmentation (an ancient pigmentation levelling based on selection depending on milieu has been unlevelled" (glup!) by recent enough crossings and a future levelling is not already occurred).

    See my "Dinaric" results (previous posting) Moesan!

    This is wat Coon said about some outmost NW Germans that equals NE Dutch:





    Do you have any thought about this? It's appreciated!

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    0.10036

    0.11484
    0.10087

    These are the three best results for my paternal great grandfather all the others are 0.0


    What yellow eyes is true our brown with light you can see yellowish orange or yellow whether or not central heterochromia.


    My great-grandfather was also E-V22 so I will now see the results of my grandfather in case they indicate a route from Egypt that could be consistent with after the results of his son, my great-grandfather perhaps through Arabia, Turkey, Iran, Irak or something like that, now I don't have the map in front of me

    7. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 10.09 - I3499
    11. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 10.75 - I3313
    23. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 12.12 - Rise483
    28. Bronze Age Vatya Pannonia (1600 BC) ..... 12.36 - Rise480
    53. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 14.25 - I4332
    56. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.28 - scy197b
    71. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 14.67 - MJ12
    77. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.87 - scy305 -

    81. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 15.08 - scy192 -
    89. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 15.66 - scy311 -
    115. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 16.78 - scy304
    150. Scythian Outlier Hungary (550 BC) ..... 18.52 - DA195
    165. Hungary Elite Avar Kiskoros-Vaghohid (690 AD) ..... 18.96
    172. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 19.28 - Rise484
    173. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) ..... 19.38 - DA199

    I have compiled the samples of my results as well as that they sounded a little bit like Hungarian or the surrounding area a little around without having to be like in the epicenter but being.
    Last edited by Carlos; 27-02-20 at 16:25.

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    I get 0.22 for Paleo-Atlantid, which given the map they give that is where most of my ancestors come from, where the Paleo-Atlantid type dominates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post

    0.10036

    0.11484
    0.10087

    These are the three best results for my paternal great grandfather all the others are 0.0


    What yellow eyes is true our brown with light you can see yellowish orange or yellow whether or not central heterochromia.


    My great-grandfather was also E-V22 so I will now see the results of my grandfather in case they indicate a route from Egypt that could be consistent with after the results of his son, my great-grandfather perhaps through Arabia, Turkey, Iran, Irak or something like that, now I don't have the map in front of me

    7. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 10.09 - I3499
    11. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 10.75 - I3313
    23. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 12.12 - Rise483
    28. Bronze Age Vatya Pannonia (1600 BC) ..... 12.36 - Rise480
    53. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 14.25 - I4332
    56. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.28 - scy197b
    71. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 14.67 - MJ12
    77. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.87 - scy305 -

    81. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 15.08 - scy192 -
    89. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 15.66 - scy311 -
    115. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 16.78 - scy304
    150. Scythian Outlier Hungary (550 BC) ..... 18.52 - DA195
    165. Hungary Elite Avar Kiskoros-Vaghohid (690 AD) ..... 18.96
    172. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 19.28 - Rise484
    173. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) ..... 19.38 - DA199

    I have compiled the samples of my results as well as that they sounded a little bit like Hungarian or the surrounding area a little around without having to be like in the epicenter but being.
    My paternal grandfather, son of the former. The rest of the results with 0`0 ... e.t.c. If not for the program that has given this result, I would have thought that my grandfather looked like this man like an egg looks like a broccoli


    0.12425

    My father, son of the previous one. The rest of the results are 0.0 ... e.t.c.


    0.10906

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    0.25394


    0.23282

    TODA (Not fund)0.11951


    0.10107


    0.10104

    They would also be: Gracile Mediterranean, Moorish, NorAtlhantic all with 0.1 ...
    Some may be complementary noise of some previous result and others by maternal route, so I will do the exercise with the maternal part soon.


    My first impression is a trip of my E-V22 very different from the predictable from the Phoenician by boat to Andalusia, too direct and easy, no, that goes, and mainly by land. Anyway I will compare other ancestors from both sides to see their results. It's a lot of work and it could take even a few days. If the program already had all those photographs in its database it would be very fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    My paternal grandfather, son of the former. The rest of the results with 0`0 ... e.t.c. If not for the program that has given this result, I would have thought that my grandfather looked like this man like an egg looks like a broccoli


    0.12425

    My father, son of the previous one. The rest of the results are 0.0 ... e.t.c.


    0.10906

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    0.23282

    TODA (Not fund)0.11951


    0.10107


    0.10104

    They would also be: Gracile Mediterranean, Moorish, NorAtlhantic all with 0.1 ...
    Some may be complementary noise of some previous result and others by maternal route, so I will do the exercise with the maternal part soon.


    My first impression is a trip of my E-V22 very different from the predictable from the Phoenician by boat to Andalusia, too direct and easy, no, that goes, and mainly by land. Anyway I will compare other ancestors from both sides to see their results. It's a lot of work and it could take even a few days. If the program already had all those photographs in its database it would be very fast.
    Wow Carlos that's really a lot of differentiation!

    I guess phenotype is a matter of auDNA and not Y-DNA, Y-DNA doen't have much effect on the appearance, at least not that I'm aware of.........

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    ^^
    Yes, the phenotypes are not important, but perhaps the measures or forms of the watermelon or where it has gone and with whom it has been mixed since if it is a man who has made a route from Egypt and these heads come out we also You can talk about which women have been mixed so that the DNA of them has been changing the heads of the descendants of that man, the phenotypes are pure makeup but the bones, volumes and measures may be somewhat more forceful or more clues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    ^^
    Yes, the phenotypes are not important, but perhaps the measures or forms of the watermelon or where it has gone and with whom it has been mixed since if it is a man who has made a route from Egypt and these heads come out we also You can talk about which women have been mixed so that the DNA of them has been changing the heads of the descendants of that man, the phenotypes are pure makeup but the bones, volumes and measures may be somewhat more forceful or more clues.
    Take my case Carlos, my E-V22 has a TMRCA of 5600 YBP. Let's assume this 'patriarch' lived somewhere in the Levant and had a kind of phenotype that correspondences with this region......in a still enigmatic way and about 150 generations later this line pops up in the centre of Friesland in a guy called Haye Jans. And afterwards he and his children mingled only with Frisians/ North Dutch people.

    I guess the line is so thin Carlos that by no means this can have substantial influence on my phenotype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northener View Post
    Take my case Carlos, my E-V22 has a TMRCA of 5600 YBP. Let's assume this 'patriarch' lived somewhere in the Levant and had a kind of phenotype that correspondences with this region......in a still enigmatic way and about 150 generations later this line pops up in the centre of Friesland in a guy called Haye Jans. And afterwards he and his children mingled only with Frisians/ North Dutch people.

    I guess the line is so thin Carlos that by no means this can have substantial influence on my phenotype.
    Maybe when I have more variables in the game I have more chances that I could have the luck that it arose that with fewer variables at play, it is possible I am not sure either.



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    My maternal grandfather has obtained:

    Litorid 0.29561
    Point: 0.28493
    Central Pamirid: 0.23369
    Dinarid: 0.21634
    Armenid: 0.20234
    Arabid:0.200857

    Whit 0.1

    Alpinid
    Anatolid
    Baykal
    Bereber
    Canarid

    It seems related to farmers and Indo-European migrations

    Curiously, my paternal great grandfather and my maternal grandfather get 0.19923
    and mid two paternal and maternal grandparents: 0.12966

    Recapitulating


    Paternal Great Grandfather: Eastbrachid
    Paternal grandfather: Yemenid
    Phater
    : Strandid
    Carlos: Carpathid, Mtebid, Borreby,Indo Iranid

    Thinking about the journey of my mother and E-V22 as you know and will continue to know until I have news, I think that if the departure is from Egypt, a founding country, then that the trip is to the East. Egypt- Yemen and climb diagonally? Everything can be up to India? I do not know, I think there is E-V22 in India but at most as far as those two large lakes are more or less out there and then to the west at an entrance to Europe and arrive in Spain much later. I will try to look later at my female ancestors to see what can be discarded or what unites them.


    I don't know, we'll see how this all ends.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    My maternal grandfather has obtained:

    Litorid 0.29561
    Point: 0.28493
    Central Pamirid: 0.23369
    Dinarid: 0.21634
    Armenid: 0.20234
    Arabid:0.200857

    Whit 0.1

    Alpinid
    Anatolid
    Baykal
    Bereber
    Canarid

    It seems related to farmers and Indo-European migrations

    Curiously, my paternal great grandfather and my maternal grandfather get 0.19923
    and mid two paternal and maternal grandparents: 0.12966

    Recapitulating


    Paternal Great Grandfather: Eastbrachid
    Paternal grandfather: Yemenid
    Phater
    : Strandid
    Carlos: Carpathid, Mtebid, Borreby,Indo Iranid

    Thinking about the journey of my mother and E-V22 as you know and will continue to know until I have news, I think that if the departure is from Egypt, a founding country, then that the trip is to the East. Egypt- Yemen and climb diagonally? Everything can be up to India? I do not know, I think there is E-V22 in India but at most as far as those two large lakes are more or less out there and then to the west at an entrance to Europe and arrive in Spain much later. I will try to look later at my female ancestors to see what can be discarded or what unites them.


    I don't know, we'll see how this all ends.




    Looking a little the woman ancestors

    Trastarabuela mother of my great-great grandmother dna mitochondrial

    Egyptid 0.21756
    Dinarid 0.20687
    Assyroid 0.15669
    Yemenid 0.1242
    Litorid 0.12382
    Baskid 0.10037
    Eurafricanid 0.10026

    I think that maybe that 4% that they give me for North Africa was related to my dnaY when maybe they have putall over his face through the mitochondrial DNA due to the megalithic culture and expansion that also reaches North Africa

    They are denying the Moroccans their European percentage as builders of Dolmens there is no right a total injustice and thus kill two birds with one stone mislabeling a small set of snp


    Paternal Great Grandmother


    Tibetid 0.12684
    Aralid 0.100887


    Paternal grandmother

    Kham 0.10231
    Anglo Saxon 0.10101
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    Sister

    Anatolid 0.2201
    Andronovo turanid 0.13641
    Dinarid 0.10085

    Seeing all my Dna And E-V22 could have come to India to go back to the Caucasus to end up in the Balkans could be Hungary and there could have been integrated with some ethnicity that would take it to another territory before finishing in Spain.

    1195 DA









    Well, I think the oral tradition of my family on the defector of Napoleon's troops makes sense; there were still a few centuries but it is the closest I can get in the application to the time of the Napoleonic invasion of Spain.

    I honestly did not see myself in another Phoenician walled colony in Cádiz or another place in Andalusia. What does he want me to tell you to live in a walled colony is horrible, the natives are willing to revamp your neck at the first opportunity and also that I am from above the province and I am closely related to the reconquest and repopulation of Andalusia, let me of more colonies, which, moreover, there is what to see for whom they were composed at least in Iberia.
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    I add more female results

    Trastarabuela mother of my great-great grandmother dna mitochondrial

    Egyptid 0.21756
    Dinarid 0.20687
    Assyroid 0.15669
    Yemenid 0.1242
    Litorid 0.12382
    Baskid 0.10037
    Eurafricanid 0.10026

    Daughter of the previous one.

    Great-grandmother dna mitochondrial.

    He was trying to see some difference with his mother with which to glimpse his father while I get a picture of him that works.

    Kham 0.26951
    Assyroid 0.15498
    Paleo Sardinian 0.1477
    Egyptid 0.12861
    Tronder 0.1016

    Distances almost 1

    Anglo Saxon, borreby, Dalofaelid, Dinarid,Litorid,

    Well, his father was from the hometown of Spanish-godo Omar ibn Hafsún after Samuel It's that clear, that's what it is.

    Paternal grandmother with Aragonese surname

    Anglo Saxon 0.101001
    Kham 0.10213

    Great-grandmother mother mother of great grandfather of my mother of origin probably from the center of Portugal

    Anglo Saxon 0.13062
    Paleo Sardinian 0.10227

    The last two could be Celtiberian with your permission and without permission too

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