Vahaduo - Unscaled Phenotype Feiichy G25 Calculator

[Stuvanè]

Just for fun


A new Vahaduo calculator (based on the unscaled G25 coordinates), that estimates the autosomal distances (and also mixtures) in relation to various human phenotypes:

http://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Unsca...calculator.htm

Check also the following list

http://www.humanphenotypes.net/list.html

My results

[torzio]

Distance to:	Torzio
0.02445400	Dinarid
0.02465312	Aegean-Med
0.02544108	Pontid
0.02696412	Noric
0.02768999	Atlanto-Med
0.02790273	Alpine
0.03490115	North_Atlantid
0.03543064	Keltic_Nordic
0.03544721	Faelid
0.03738291	Nordic
0.03921603	Brunn
0.04099521	Trønder
0.04606418	Caspid
0.04742339	Turanid
0.04908109	Assyroid
0.05031691	Neo-Danubian
0.05198217	Iranid
0.05239673	East_Baltic
0.05455648	North_Pontid
0.05467138	Polynesid
0.05508758	Armenid
0.05605165	Gracile_Med
0.05763726	Pamirid
0.05893216	Mtebid
0.06145111	Irano-Afghan

Target: Torzio
Distance: 1.5548% / 0.01554840 | ADC: 0.25x

40.6	Aegean-Med
30.4	Keltic_Nordic
13.8	Dinarid
7.4	Gracile_Med
5.0	Atlanto-Med
2.2	Neo-Danubian
0.6	Uralid

Target: Torzio
Distance: 1.7636% / 0.01763646 | ADC: 1x

35.2	Aegean-Med
29.0	Atlanto-Med
21.2	Dinarid
14.6	Noric

Target: Torzio
Distance: 2.0084% / 0.02008431 | ADC: 2x

53.8	Dinarid
28.0	Aegean-Med
18.2	Atlanto-Med

[torzio]

I assume keltoi-nordic is an error and it should be Keltoi-noric
Nordic = scandinavia
Noric = austria

[Dou]

Eurafricanid (Atlanto-Med) in 0.25 and 0.5

Target: Juan Distance: 1.9977% / 0.01997722 | ADC: 0.5x
92.0	Atlanto-Med
4.6	Dinarid
2.6	Gracile_Med
0.8	Gracile_Indid

---

Target: Juan Distance: 1.8761% / 0.01876058 | ADC: 0.25x
74.2	Atlanto-Med
11.8	Gracile_Med
4.2	Gracile_Indid
3.8	Dinarid
2.6	Brunn
2.6	Uralid
0.8	Saharid

---

Target: Juan Distance: 1.7644% / 0.01764444
40.8	Gracile_Med
40.4	Brunn
5.6	Gracile_Indid
5.6	Saharid
4.0	Uralid
2.8	Berberid
0.6	Bantuid.
0.2	Silvid

Distance to:	Juan
0.02064511	Atlanto-Med
0.02824270	Alpine
0.03788026	Dinarid
0.03837797	Noric
0.03906417	North_Atlantid
0.03935345	Aegean-Med
0.03991486	Keltic_Nordic
0.04027980	Pontid
0.04117616	Faelid
0.04160321	Brunn
0.04514379	Trønder
0.04523229	Nordic
0.04566498	Gracile_Med
0.05757812	Turanid
0.05892987	Polynesid
0.05937756	Caspid
0.06218699	Berberid
0.06218699	Saharid
0.06221967	Assyroid
0.06490953	East_Baltic
0.06518354	Iranid
0.06597399	Neo-Danubian
0.06606062	Armenid
0.06623051	North_Pontid
0.06869721	Pamirid

[Northener]

Indeed....... ALL Dutch are Faelid and all Swedes Nordic.....nonsens packed in vahaduo ;)

Regarding Europe all you can say is that on AVERAGE in GENERAL the more North the more people are becoming larger, more robust (/less gracile) and lighter featured.

In this all variations are possible. I'm 6 feet 4 but my grand uncle was to small for military service. I have a Bell Beaker kind of steephead but not all family members have that. I have gold blond hair/ touch of red in it (meanwhile somewhat darkened) but with chestnut eyes.....etc etc etc

[Stuvanè]

In the end it's a toy that works like another G25 calculator (maybe with a little patience you can also find which one). The ancestral peoples/groups have been attributed in a somewhat simplified or arbitrary way the various phenotypes, and the game is done. Everything to take with a pinch of salt

Sent from my SM-J730F using Eupedia Forum mobile app

[Northener]

In the end it's a toy that works like another G25 calculator (maybe with a little patience you can also find which one). The ancestral peoples/groups have been attributed in a somewhat simplified or arbitrary way the various phenotypes, and the game is done. Everything to take with a pinch of salt

Sent from my SM-J730F using Eupedia Forum mobile app

Of course with salt Struvane, but I saw some postings on Apricity from the developer of this whole....seems to take it very serious.

And could everybody see right trough this all?

For example the Oera Linda book, written as a gimmick until Heinrich Himmler c.s. took it serious.....

But of course we are miles away from that! ;)

[MOESAN]

It's a nonsense tool!
I wonder on what basis they measure distances between phenotypes? We can try to find out kinship of phenotypes but it seems to me very hard to decide of a useful hyerarchy among traits, quantifiable. Very often, here, metrics can even obscurate things (let's took brachycephaly, BI).

@Northerner: No, more northern doesn't correspond to more robust, even if as a whole a lot of body measures are larger.
Maybe in types, in North, gracile ones are a bit less fracile, and "robust" types are a bit more "robust"; but not only between individuals but also between regions, there are some visible variations not tied to latitude.The same in pigmentation (an ancient pigmentation levelling based on selection depending on milieu has been unlevelled" (glup!) by recent enough crossings and a future levelling is not already occurred).

[Lukas]

@MOESAN
It is for fun:)

BTW you can check your phenotype confidence score using this Microsoft tool.



Open https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/se...ces/face/#demo

and click "Face verification", than upload real image (frontal view) and phenotype image (or use its URL) and wait few seconds for confidence score. If it is 0.10 or less it means no or weak similarity. This posted below is very high.

[Carlos]

With my father I take 0.33 with my mother 0.19 among other relatives I get to put Santa Teresita de Lissieux and I get 0.09
I have pixelated my image because I am very discreet.

[Northener]

@MOESAN
It is for fun:)

BTW you can check your phenotype confidence score using this Microsoft tool.



Open https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/se...ces/face/#demo

and click "Face verification", than upload real image (frontal view) and phenotype image (or use its URL) and wait few seconds for confidence score. If it is 0.10 or less it means no or weak similarity. This posted below is very high.

Nice tool Lukasz!!!

And based on the tool I think the vahaduo fails in my case. My results on vahaduo with on the right side the microsoft/photo tool results.

0.01162039 Nordic 0.09017
0.01230389 Faelid 0.0863
0.01392460 Trønder 0.09633
0.01399012 North_Atlantid 0.09531
0.01538018 Keltic_Nordic 0.09498
0.01667625 Brunn 0.08567
0.02460925 Noric 0.09993
0.02922024 Alpine 0.08863
0.03908280 Atlanto-Med
0.04032854 East_Baltic
0.04130012 North_Pontid
0.04236143 Pontid
0.04793545 Neo-Danubian
0.04848525 Dinarid 0.1013
0.05117455 Aegean-Med
0.05121845 Polynesid
0.05278150 Turanid
0.05369542 Pamirid
0.06054545 Caspid
0.06149485 Mtebid
0.06195293 Irano-Afghan
0.06324044 Iranid
0.06575030 Nord_Indid
0.06713569 Assyroid
0.07093749 Armenid 0.09651

Dinarid is also seen as the Bell Beaker phenotype and is number 1 (the only one above 0,10). Number 2 is the Norid phenotype, that's also connected to Dinarid.

And as you can see the number 1 an 2 in vahaduo Nordid and Faelid are in the photo tool even beyond the result most on distance the Armenid!

The vahaduo tool 'could be saved by the bell' (tough not really because it's all too off road) because I'm convinced that when Anglo-Saxons G25 is added then....it gets very close to my photo tool number 3: Anglo-Saxon Confidence is 0.09844 (almost 0.10).

0.01148121 Anglo_Saxon
0.01162039 Nordic
0.01230389 Faelid
0.01392460 Trønder
0.01399012 North_Atlantid
0.01538018 Keltic_Nordic
0.01667625 Brunn

[Dibran]

Distance to:	Dibran
0.02139280	Dinarid
0.02760827	Pontid
0.02813426	Aegean-Med
0.03811666	Alpine
0.04000273	Noric
0.04511651	Atlanto-Med
0.04863858	Assyroid
0.04979679	Caspid
0.05048222	Armenid
0.05289730	Gracile_Med
0.05289811	North_Pontid
0.05492586	Turanid
0.05527277	Faelid
0.05552702	North_Atlantid
0.05633641	Iranid
0.05690880	Nordic
0.05835633	Trønder
0.05874502	Keltic_Nordic
0.06039559	Brunn
0.06048533	Neo-Danubian
0.06384568	Mtebid
0.06485987	East_Baltic
0.06524424	Pamirid
0.06543669	Polynesid
0.06855493	Irano-Afghan

Target: Dibran Distance: 1.9955% / 0.01995536
65.6	Dinarid
17.2	Gracile_Med
10.6	North_Pontid
6.4	Armenid
0.2	Bambutid

[Joey37]

According to that Microsoft tool, I look more like my maternal grandfather (0.12) than my paternal grandfather (0.08)

[Northener]

According to that Microsoft tool, I look more like my maternal grandfather (0.12) than my paternal grandfather (0.08)

Ok and that's in reality not the case?

[Northener]

It's a nonsense tool!
I wonder on what basis they measure distances between phenotypes? We can try to find out kinship of phenotypes but it seems to me very hard to decide of a useful hyerarchy among traits, quantifiable. Very often, here, metrics can even obscurate things (let's took brachycephaly, BI).

@Northerner: No, more northern doesn't correspond to more robust, even if as a whole a lot of body measures are larger.
Maybe in types, in North, gracile ones are a bit less fracile, and "robust" types are a bit more "robust"; but not only between individuals but also between regions, there are some visible variations not tied to latitude.The same in pigmentation (an ancient pigmentation levelling based on selection depending on milieu has been unlevelled" (glup!) by recent enough crossings and a future levelling is not already occurred).

See my "Dinaric" results (previous posting) Moesan!

This is wat Coon said about some outmost NW Germans that equals NE Dutch:





Do you have any thought about this? It's appreciated!

[Carlos]

0.10036

0.11484
0.10087

These are the three best results for my paternal great grandfather all the others are 0.0


What yellow eyes is true our brown with light you can see yellowish orange or yellow whether or not central heterochromia.


My great-grandfather was also E-V22 so I will now see the results of my grandfather in case they indicate a route from Egypt that could be consistent with after the results of his son, my great-grandfather perhaps through Arabia, Turkey, Iran, Irak or something like that, now I don't have the map in front of me

7. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 10.09 - I3499
11. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 10.75 - I3313
23. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 12.12 - Rise483
28. Bronze Age Vatya Pannonia (1600 BC) ..... 12.36 - Rise480
53. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 14.25 - I4332
56. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.28 - scy197b
71. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 14.67 - MJ12
77. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.87 - scy305 -

81. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 15.08 - scy192 -
89. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 15.66 - scy311 -
115. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 16.78 - scy304
150. Scythian Outlier Hungary (550 BC) ..... 18.52 - DA195
165. Hungary Elite Avar Kiskoros-Vaghohid (690 AD) ..... 18.96
172. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 19.28 - Rise484
173. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) ..... 19.38 - DA199

I have compiled the samples of my results as well as that they sounded a little bit like Hungarian or the surrounding area a little around without having to be like in the epicenter but being.

[Joey37]

I get 0.22 for Paleo-Atlantid, which given the map they give that is where most of my ancestors come from, where the Paleo-Atlantid type dominates.

[Carlos]

0.10036

0.11484
0.10087

These are the three best results for my paternal great grandfather all the others are 0.0


What yellow eyes is true our brown with light you can see yellowish orange or yellow whether or not central heterochromia.


My great-grandfather was also E-V22 so I will now see the results of my grandfather in case they indicate a route from Egypt that could be consistent with after the results of his son, my great-grandfather perhaps through Arabia, Turkey, Iran, Irak or something like that, now I don't have the map in front of me

7. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol (2775 BC) ..... 10.09 - I3499
11. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 10.75 - I3313
23. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 12.12 - Rise483
28. Bronze Age Vatya Pannonia (1600 BC) ..... 12.36 - Rise480
53. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 14.25 - I4332
56. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.28 - scy197b
71. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 14.67 - MJ12
77. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.87 - scy305 -

81. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 15.08 - scy192 -
89. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 15.66 - scy311 -
115. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 16.78 - scy304
150. Scythian Outlier Hungary (550 BC) ..... 18.52 - DA195
165. Hungary Elite Avar Kiskoros-Vaghohid (690 AD) ..... 18.96
172. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 19.28 - Rise484
173. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) ..... 19.38 - DA199

I have compiled the samples of my results as well as that they sounded a little bit like Hungarian or the surrounding area a little around without having to be like in the epicenter but being.

My paternal grandfather, son of the former. The rest of the results with 0`0 ... e.t.c. If not for the program that has given this result, I would have thought that my grandfather looked like this man like an egg looks like a broccoli


0.12425

My father, son of the previous one. The rest of the results are 0.0 ... e.t.c.


0.10906

Carlos

0.25394


0.23282

TODA (Not fund)0.11951


0.10107


0.10104

They would also be: Gracile Mediterranean, Moorish, NorAtlhantic all with 0.1 ...
Some may be complementary noise of some previous result and others by maternal route, so I will do the exercise with the maternal part soon.


My first impression is a trip of my E-V22 very different from the predictable from the Phoenician by boat to Andalusia, too direct and easy, no, that goes, and mainly by land. Anyway I will compare other ancestors from both sides to see their results. It's a lot of work and it could take even a few days. If the program already had all those photographs in its database it would be very fast.

[Northener]

My paternal grandfather, son of the former. The rest of the results with 0`0 ... e.t.c. If not for the program that has given this result, I would have thought that my grandfather looked like this man like an egg looks like a broccoli


0.12425

My father, son of the previous one. The rest of the results are 0.0 ... e.t.c.


0.10906

Carlos

0.25394


0.23282

TODA (Not fund)0.11951


0.10107


0.10104

They would also be: Gracile Mediterranean, Moorish, NorAtlhantic all with 0.1 ...
Some may be complementary noise of some previous result and others by maternal route, so I will do the exercise with the maternal part soon.


My first impression is a trip of my E-V22 very different from the predictable from the Phoenician by boat to Andalusia, too direct and easy, no, that goes, and mainly by land. Anyway I will compare other ancestors from both sides to see their results. It's a lot of work and it could take even a few days. If the program already had all those photographs in its database it would be very fast.

Wow Carlos that's really a lot of differentiation!

I guess phenotype is a matter of auDNA and not Y-DNA, Y-DNA doen't have much effect on the appearance, at least not that I'm aware of.........

[Carlos]

^^
Yes, the phenotypes are not important, but perhaps the measures or forms of the watermelon or where it has gone and with whom it has been mixed since if it is a man who has made a route from Egypt and these heads come out we also You can talk about which women have been mixed so that the DNA of them has been changing the heads of the descendants of that man, the phenotypes are pure makeup but the bones, volumes and measures may be somewhat more forceful or more clues.

[Northener]

^^
Yes, the phenotypes are not important, but perhaps the measures or forms of the watermelon or where it has gone and with whom it has been mixed since if it is a man who has made a route from Egypt and these heads come out we also You can talk about which women have been mixed so that the DNA of them has been changing the heads of the descendants of that man, the phenotypes are pure makeup but the bones, volumes and measures may be somewhat more forceful or more clues.

Take my case Carlos, my E-V22 has a TMRCA of 5600 YBP. Let's assume this 'patriarch' lived somewhere in the Levant and had a kind of phenotype that correspondences with this region......in a still enigmatic way and about 150 generations later this line pops up in the centre of Friesland in a guy called Haye Jans. And afterwards he and his children mingled only with Frisians/ North Dutch people.

I guess the line is so thin Carlos that by no means this can have substantial influence on my phenotype.

[Carlos]

Take my case Carlos, my E-V22 has a TMRCA of 5600 YBP. Let's assume this 'patriarch' lived somewhere in the Levant and had a kind of phenotype that correspondences with this region......in a still enigmatic way and about 150 generations later this line pops up in the centre of Friesland in a guy called Haye Jans. And afterwards he and his children mingled only with Frisians/ North Dutch people.

I guess the line is so thin Carlos that by no means this can have substantial influence on my phenotype.

Maybe when I have more variables in the game I have more chances that I could have the luck that it arose that with fewer variables at play, it is possible I am not sure either.

[Carlos]

My maternal grandfather has obtained:

Litorid 0.29561
Point: 0.28493
Central Pamirid: 0.23369
Dinarid: 0.21634
Armenid: 0.20234
Arabid:0.200857

Whit 0.1

Alpinid
Anatolid
Baykal
Bereber
Canarid

It seems related to farmers and Indo-European migrations

Curiously, my paternal great grandfather and my maternal grandfather get 0.19923

and mid two paternal and maternal grandparents: 0.12966

Recapitulating


Paternal Great Grandfather: Eastbrachid
Paternal grandfather: Yemenid
Phater: Strandid
Carlos: Carpathid, Mtebid, Borreby,Indo Iranid

Thinking about the journey of my mother and E-V22 as you know and will continue to know until I have news, I think that if the departure is from Egypt, a founding country, then that the trip is to the East. Egypt- Yemen and climb diagonally? Everything can be up to India? I do not know, I think there is E-V22 in India but at most as far as those two large lakes are more or less out there and then to the west at an entrance to Europe and arrive in Spain much later. I will try to look later at my female ancestors to see what can be discarded or what unites them.


I don't know, we'll see how this all ends.

[Carlos]

My maternal grandfather has obtained:

Litorid 0.29561
Point: 0.28493
Central Pamirid: 0.23369
Dinarid: 0.21634
Armenid: 0.20234
Arabid:0.200857

Whit 0.1

Alpinid
Anatolid
Baykal
Bereber
Canarid

It seems related to farmers and Indo-European migrations

Curiously, my paternal great grandfather and my maternal grandfather get 0.19923

and mid two paternal and maternal grandparents: 0.12966

Recapitulating


Paternal Great Grandfather: Eastbrachid
Paternal grandfather: Yemenid
Phater: Strandid
Carlos: Carpathid, Mtebid, Borreby,Indo Iranid

Thinking about the journey of my mother and E-V22 as you know and will continue to know until I have news, I think that if the departure is from Egypt, a founding country, then that the trip is to the East. Egypt- Yemen and climb diagonally? Everything can be up to India? I do not know, I think there is E-V22 in India but at most as far as those two large lakes are more or less out there and then to the west at an entrance to Europe and arrive in Spain much later. I will try to look later at my female ancestors to see what can be discarded or what unites them.


I don't know, we'll see how this all ends.

Looking a little the woman ancestors

Trastarabuela mother of my great-great grandmother dna mitochondrial

Egyptid 0.21756
Dinarid 0.20687
Assyroid 0.15669
Yemenid 0.1242
Litorid 0.12382
Baskid 0.10037
Eurafricanid 0.10026

I think that maybe that 4% that they give me for North Africa was related to my dnaY when maybe they have putall over his face through the mitochondrial DNA due to the megalithic culture and expansion that also reaches North Africa

They are denying the Moroccans their European percentage as builders of Dolmens there is no right a total injustice and thus kill two birds with one stone mislabeling a small set of snp


Paternal Great Grandmother

Tibetid 0.12684
Aralid 0.100887


Paternal grandmother

Kham 0.10231
Anglo Saxon 0.10101
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Sister

Anatolid 0.2201
Andronovo turanid 0.13641
Dinarid 0.10085

Seeing all my Dna And E-V22 could have come to India to go back to the Caucasus to end up in the Balkans could be Hungary and there could have been integrated with some ethnicity that would take it to another territory before finishing in Spain.

1195 DA









Well, I think the oral tradition of my family on the defector of Napoleon's troops makes sense; there were still a few centuries but it is the closest I can get in the application to the time of the Napoleonic invasion of Spain.

I honestly did not see myself in another Phoenician walled colony in Cádiz or another place in Andalusia. What does he want me to tell you to live in a walled colony is horrible, the natives are willing to revamp your neck at the first opportunity and also that I am from above the province and I am closely related to the reconquest and repopulation of Andalusia, let me of more colonies, which, moreover, there is what to see for whom they were composed at least in Iberia.

[Carlos]

I add more female results

Trastarabuela mother of my great-great grandmother dna mitochondrial

Egyptid 0.21756
Dinarid 0.20687
Assyroid 0.15669
Yemenid 0.1242
Litorid 0.12382
Baskid 0.10037
Eurafricanid 0.10026

Daughter of the previous one.

Great-grandmother dna mitochondrial.

He was trying to see some difference with his mother with which to glimpse his father while I get a picture of him that works.

Kham 0.26951
Assyroid 0.15498
Paleo Sardinian 0.1477
Egyptid 0.12861
Tronder 0.1016

Distances almost 1

Anglo Saxon, borreby, Dalofaelid, Dinarid,Litorid,

Well, his father was from the hometown of Spanish-godo Omar ibn Hafsún after Samuel It's that clear, that's what it is.

Paternal grandmother with Aragonese surname

Anglo Saxon 0.101001
Kham 0.10213

Great-grandmother mother mother of great grandfather of my mother of origin probably from the center of Portugal

Anglo Saxon 0.13062
Paleo Sardinian 0.10227

The last two could be Celtiberian with your permission and without permission too