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But even if this is all accurate, this is still not an argument for an origin of your branch of E-V13 from Kazakhstan. It would just make your branch possibly a local lineage here that allied with them in some way. I'm sure we can find local lineages that expanded in the Balkans as allies with Ottomans, but it wouldn't make their origin Ottoman. Likewise I still don't see the argument for how your branch of E-V13 comes from Kazakhstan regions around 1000 years ago.
I think these turkic tribes must have had some local allies here, and that this is quite an understudied area, but I don't agree that this entails having turkic origin, even if they were great "loyalists". There should be a clear distinction made when referring to possible allied locals, assimilated locals, and actual authentic turkic origin haplogroups.
If this Ukrainian clade is related to mine, my clade might be an ofshoot of this clade, and this Uzbek guy could be closer to me than to them. This could be some old link (even some Cimmerian, or Getae-Sarmatian). Pechenegs are bit of a mystery, 3 out of 9 of their tribes were surely from Central-Asia, some of other tribes could have had other origins. Apparently according to anthropological evidence they were more Caucasoid than Cumans and Uz.
The real Ottoman non-Asian descended people are for ex. some J2a clades. in Turks from Macedonia there is a J2a haplotype, very common among them, these obviously came from Anatolia, in Anatolia they were picked up by the Seljuks. There are many R-Z2705 among them too, but these might be more recently assimilated people.
Turkics were inclusive generally, no wonder as the progenitor of proto-Turkic language is hg Q and even Steppe Turkics were not pred. of Q clades.
Regarding Volga J-L283, in Tatars namely, their TMRCA is Medieval but their further relatives are about 2400 years away, one of them Chechen, so this clade could have been assimilated by the Scythians.
Actually in one small Cuman sample from Hungary occurs some J-PH4679 under which is one of proto-Albanian clades. In this sample there is Central Asian R-Y14051 peaking in Kumandin people so they do have some proto-Cuman ancestry too. Many scenarios are possible, maybe these J-PH4679 were Byzantines captured by the Cumans.
Though I've been looking now at this haplotype, it seems PH4679+ but Y161916-, Y20899- (or at that level) so it might be very distant from Albanians, even LBA.