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    What Was The Original Language of R1a1a?

    If Proto-Indo-European language is from branch of R1b(Y-DNA). What was the original language of R1a1a(Y-DNA)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmak View Post
    If Proto-Indo-European language is from branch of R1b(Y-DNA). What was the original language of R1a1a(Y-DNA)?
    proto-siberian

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    What is the proto-siberian? I do not any about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    proto-siberian
    I do not find anything about proto-siberian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmak View Post
    If Proto-Indo-European language is from branch of R1b(Y-DNA). What was the original language of R1a1a(Y-DNA)?
    Nobody knows, but possibly a language that is now extinct that was a cousin language of PIE.

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    carlos Quiles says proto uralian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamakore View Post
    Nobody knows, but possibly a language that is now extinct that was a cousin language of PIE.
    R1a1a language is Para-Proto-Indo-European?

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    Carlos is full of crap. The MRCA of M417 lived far too far to the south and west of where the Uralic Urheimat was-indeed, the westernmost scientific urheimat is the Volga Bend area, which is hundreds of miles to the northeast of Sredny Stog and the first two R1a samples in Vasiliyevka and Dereivka in southeastern Ukraine. His Uralic from the west hypothesis is just as unscientific as Celtic from the west.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joey37 View Post
    Carlos is full of crap. The MRCA of M417 lived far too far to the south and west of where the Uralic Urheimat was-indeed, the westernmost scientific urheimat is the Volga Bend area, which is hundreds of miles to the northeast of Sredny Stog and the first two R1a samples in Vasiliyevka and Dereivka in southeastern Ukraine. His Uralic from the west hypothesis is just as unscientific as Celtic from the west.
    I don't think it's as unlikely as you say. Places where R1a is more common than Rib has more pre-Yamnaya EHG ancestry. Most likely there was already R1a in Eastern Europe before steppe breeding and they probably didn't speak IE


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    Target: Russian_Kostroma
    Distance: 4.8457% / 0.04845671
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    In Western Europe where R1b predominates, Yamanya also predominates without deviating to EHG

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    Distance: 4.9374% / 0.04937387
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    Distance: 5.6763% / 0.05676272
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    In this and many other threads, the assumption is that when R1a and R1b mutated some 20,000ya they also divided into separate tribes and recombined on the Steppe 7,000 ya to become PIE, from which they split by various founder effects. Could it be that they remained mixed whilst migrating from Central Asia to the Steppes

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