Sicilians pre-Greek colonization

Jovialis · Jun 19, 2020

Shahmiri said:
Whether you like it or not, the arrival of Iranian-related ancestry in Sicily about 1500 BC is a serious discussion of genetics, I think you actually should post your eurocentric fantasies elsewhere.

Iran-like ancestry has been in the central Mediterranean since the neolithic. It just didn't arrive how you stridently, and ignorantly proposed.

FYI: Modern Iranians, are different from the prehistoric and early people who lived in what is today Iran. There has been more than marginal admixture with Natufian, and Sub-Saharan African ancestry throughout the middle east. Though Middle Eastern Jewish populations seem to have less to none of the SSA. They probably didn't mix with, or less so with, the medieval African slaves, like the rest of the Middle East did. Though the chart doesn't show it, I am sure Iranian-Jews have better preserved their pre-medieval ancestry, than the modern Iranian population at large.

Shahmiri · Jun 19, 2020

Jovialis said:
Iran-like ancestry has been in the central Mediterranean since the neolithic. It just didn't arrive how you stridently, and ignorantly proposed.

FYI: Modern Iranians, are different from the prehistoric and early people who lived in what is today Iran. There has been more than marginal admixture with Natufian, and Sub-Saharan African ancestry throughout the middle east. Though Middle Eastern Jewish populations seem to have less to none of the SSA. They probably didn't mix with, or less so with, the medieval African slaves, like the rest of the Middle East did. Though the chart doesn't show it, I am sure Iranian-Jews have better preserved their pre-medieval ancestry, than the modern Iranian population at large.

It absolutely doesn't matter who modern Iranians are, please read the genetic studies, according to Fernandes et al. (The Arrival of Steppe and Iranian Related Ancestry in the Islands of the Western Mediterranean) "Iranian-related ancestry began to be introduced in the Phoenician period (1550 - 300 BC)", it also says "it is not only consistent with the historical evidence and our finding of this ancestry type but is also supported by previously published mitochondrial DNA which has documented haplotypes in ancient Phoenician colonies in modern Sardinians.", so it came from the West Asia, not Europe.

DuPidh · Jun 19, 2020

Jovialis said:
Iran-like ancestry has been in the central Mediterranean since the neolithic. It just didn't arrive how you stridently, and ignorantly proposed.

FYI: Modern Iranians, are different from the prehistoric and early people who lived in what is today Iran. There has been more than marginal admixture with Natufian, and Sub-Saharan African ancestry throughout the middle east. Though Middle Eastern Jewish populations seem to have less to none of the SSA. They probably didn't mix with, or less so with, the medieval African slaves, like the rest of the Middle East did. Though the chart doesn't show it, I am sure Iranian-Jews have better preserved their pre-medieval ancestry, than the modern Iranian population at large.

present day Iranains have 20% Indian ancestry. Also some low percentages of Arabic ancestry

ratchet_fan · Jun 19, 2020

DuPidh said:
present day Iranains have 20% Indian ancestry. Also some low percentages of Arabic ancestry

Is that really true? I would imagine Caucasian ancestry has made a bigger impact in the most densely populated parts of the country. Obviously modern Iranians aren't perfect representations of the earliest Iranians due to Anatolia_N ancestry. I believe Iran_N ancestry actually peaks in Pakistan.

Palermo Trapani · Jun 19, 2020

Shahmiri:

Phoenician settlements in Sicily were not there until 1000-900 BC, at the earliest, perhaps not as late as 800 BC or Northwest coast. Greek Colonization between 800-750 BC on East Coast and would move all the way to NW Sicily as far as Seilinute and Segesta in Trapani. I don't see any statement in the Fernandes et al 2020 paper talking about Pheonician period being 1550 to 300 BC. If there is such a statement, please refer me to it.

Shahmiri · Jun 19, 2020

Palermo Trapani said:
Shahmiri:

Phoenician settlements in Sicily were not there until 1000-900 BC, at the earliest, perhaps not as late as 800 BC or Northwest coast. Greek Colonization between 800-750 BC on East Coast and would move all the way to NW Sicily as far as Seilinute and Segesta in Trapani. I don't see any statement in the Fernandes et al 2020 paper talking about Pheonician period being 1550 to 300 BC. If there is such a statement, please refer me to it.

As you read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicians_and_wine "Phoenicia was a civilization centered in current day Lebanon. Between 1550 BC and 300 BC, the Phoenicians developed a maritime trading culture that expanded their influence from the Levant to North Africa, the Greek Isles, Sicily, and the Iberian Peninsula."

But about Sicily, we read in Fernandes et al 2020 paper: "In Sicily, Iranian-related ancestry was present during the Middle Bronze Age, showing that this ancestry which was widespread in the Aegean around this time (in association with the Minoan and Mycenaean cultures), also reached further west."

And this map:

As you see it also came from the West Asia, I don't know why you believe Iranian-related ancestry should come from another land!

Shahmiri · Jun 19, 2020

It is important to note that when the paper says Iranian ancestry was widespread in the Aegean and relates it to the Mycenaean culture and then it says this culture reached further west, we should look for a common culture which seems to be nothing other than an original Indo-European culture.

Angela · Jun 19, 2020

Shahmiri said:
Whether you like it or not, the arrival of Iranian-related ancestry in Sicily about 1500 BC is a serious discussion of genetics, I think you actually should post your eurocentric fantasies elsewhere.

Of course Iranian related ancestry arrived in Sicily, and other parts of Southern Italy. No one disputes that, and I have absolutely no problem with it, which you'd know if you'd been here for a while and weren't just judging the posters here by the Nordicist Italian whack jobs of anthrofora. However, your timing is off because some arrived before that and some after that. Clearly you don't keep up with the research. Use your time to educate yourself by reading the papers linked by Jovialis, Palermo and others.

It's the rest of what you posted that's complete nonsense. No one knows precisely who the Elymians were, or where they came from. Did you people learn nothing from the Herodotus/Etruscans debacle?

Furthermore, to claim they were INDO-EUROPEANS who went from the Zagros to the LEVANT and then to Sicily is beyond insane..

If you keep up posting absolute crap like this, you're out of here.

This is not going to become the new home for the looney hobbyists. Clear?

Angela · Jun 19, 2020

Shahmiri said:
As you read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicians_and_wine "Phoenicia was a civilization centered in current day Lebanon. Between 1550 BC and 300 BC, the Phoenicians developed a maritime trading culture that expanded their influence from the Levant to North Africa, the Greek Isles, Sicily, and the Iberian Peninsula."

But about Sicily, we read in Fernandes et al 2020 paper: "In Sicily, Iranian-related ancestry was present during the Middle Bronze Age, showing that this ancestry which was widespread in the Aegean around this time (in association with the Minoan and Mycenaean cultures), also reached further west."

And this map:

As you see it also came from the West Asia, I don't know why you believe Iranian-related ancestry should come from another land!

DID YOU EVER HEAR ABOUT CHECKING DATES????

They didn't reach Italy in 1500 BC. so your point is absurd.

Plus, Iranian related ancestry went by way of ANATOLIA. That's why Anatolian Bronze Age migration is an important factor in the population genetics of southeastern Europe.

Angela · Jun 19, 2020

Shahmiri said:
It absolutely doesn't matter who modern Iranians are, please read the genetic studies, according to Fernandes et al. (The Arrival of Steppe and Iranian Related Ancestry in the Islands of the Western Mediterranean) "Iranian-related ancestry began to be introduced in the Phoenician period (1550 - 300 BC)", it also says "it is not only consistent with the historical evidence and our finding of this ancestry type but is also supported by previously published mitochondrial DNA which has documented haplotypes in ancient Phoenician colonies in modern Sardinians.", so it came from the West Asia, not Europe.

Obviously, the Iranian related ancestry discussed in the papers is based on ANCIENT samples from the Iranian Neolithic for example, or it's based on Anatolian Chalcolithic or Anatolian Bronze Age samples. Who says any different?

All Jovialis was CLEARLY saying is that modern Iranians have changed since then, which is obvious. It's not MODERN Iranian related genetics that is showing up in Southeast Europe.

Try reading more carefully before shooting off a post.

Jovialis · Jun 19, 2020

Angela said:
Obviously, the Iranian related ancestry discussed in the papers is based on ANCIENT samples from the Iranian Neolithic for example, or it's based on Anatolian Chalcolithic or Anatolian Bronze Age samples. Who says any different?

All Jovialis was CLEARLY saying is that modern Iranians have changed since then, which is obvious. It's not MODERN Iranian related genetics that is showing up in Southeast Europe.

Try reading more carefully before shooting off a post.

Indeed! I would upvote, but I'm currrently out of juice.

Angela · Jun 19, 2020

Ygorcs said:
LINK - If you prefer to see pictures of these tables: https://imgur.com/a/1zqnWSg

Target Distance
Anatolia_Barcin_N
EHG_Karelia
Iran_Neo
MAR_EN
Maykop
Natufian
WHG
Yamnaya_RUS
ITA_Sicily_MN:I4062 0.03016186
92,6
0,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
7,4
0,0
ITA_Sicily_MN:I4063 0.03005867
89,2
0,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
10,8
0,0
ITA_Sicily_MN:I4064 0.03054454
91,6
0,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
8,4
0,0
ITA_Sicily_MN:I4065 0.02933668
85,8
0,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
14,2
0,0
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I3122 0.03482724
88,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
12,0
0,0
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I3123 0.03204897
77,6
0,0
0,0
1,6
2,4
0,0
9,2
9,2
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I3124 0.03682332
76,8
0,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
9,0
14,2
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I7807 0.04110646
89,6
0,0
0,0
0,0
3,4
0,0
7,0
0,0
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I8561 0.03634092
67,4
6,6
0,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
12,4
13,6
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I11442 0.03899473
81,4
0,0
0,0
1,2
1,2
0,0
7,6
8,6
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I11443 0.03095006
49,4
0,0
0,0
0,4
0,0
0,0
8,6
41,6
Beaker_Sicily_no_steppe 0.05027567
72,0
0,0
0,0
0,2
22,6
0,0
5,2
0,0
ITA_Sicily_MBA:I3125 0.02619634
76,6
0,0
0,0
0,0
15,2
0,0
8,0
0,2
ITA_Sicily_MBA:I4109 0.03939586
83,4
0,0
0,0
1,0
9,4
0,0
6,2
0,0
ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3878 0.02363986
81,0
0,0
0,0
1,8
1,8
0,0
5,8
9,6
ITA_Sicily_LBA:I10372 0.04711925
81,0
0,0
0,0
0,0
11,6
0,0
7,4
0,0
ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3876 0.03185393
73,8
0,0
0,0
1,0
11,0
0,0
6,0
8,2
Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H 0.02219327
52,8
0,0
1,8
0,0
15,6
7,4
0,8
21,6
Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H 0.03396469
48,4
0,0
2,6
0,0
10,6
12,8
0,6
25,0
Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H 0.02012140
44,6
0,0
4,8
0,0
19,8
10,8
4,0
16,0
Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H 0.02622899
48,6
0,0
5,8
0,0
8,0
8,6
5,6
23,4
Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H 0.02486791
47,4
0,0
6,0
2,4
14,4
9,4
3,6
16,8
Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H 0.02924797
50,0
0,0
4,2
2,2
8,8
8,6
4,4
21,8

*****************************************************

Target Distance
Anatolia_Barcin_N
EHG_Karelia
GEO_CHG
Iran_Neo
MAR_EN
Natufian
WHG
Yamnaya_RUS
ITA_Sicily_MN:I4062 0.03016186
92,6
0
0
0
0
0
7,4
0
ITA_Sicily_MN:I4063 0.03005867
89,2
0
0
0
0
0
10,8
0
ITA_Sicily_MN:I4064 0.03054454
91,6
0
0
0
0
0
8,4
0
ITA_Sicily_MN:I4065 0.02933668
85,8
0
0
0
0
0
14,2
0
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I3122 0.03482724
88
0
0
0
0
0
12
0
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I3123 0.03187045
78,4
0
0
1,8
1,4
0
9,4
9
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I3124 0.03682332
76,8
0
0
0
0
0
9
14,2
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I7807 0.04120160
91
0
0,6
0
0
0
6,4
2
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I8561 0.03634053
67,4
6,4
0
0
0
0
12,4
13,8
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I11442 0.03901785
82
0
0
0
1,2
0
7,4
9,4
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I11443 0.03095006
49,4
0
0
0
0,4
0
8,6
41,6
Beaker_Sicily_no_steppe 0.05084224
80
0
13,4
0,6
0,2
0
4,2
1,6
ITA_Sicily_MBA:I3125 0.02476793
81,8
0
4,4
4,6
0
0
7,6
1,6
ITA_Sicily_MBA:I4109 0.03981940
87,2
0
1,8
1,8
0,8
0
5,2
3,2
ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3876 0.03282856
77,8
0
5,4
0
1
0,4
5
10,4
ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3878 0.02364671
81,6
0
0,6
0,6
1,8
0
5,8
9,6
ITA_Sicily_LBA:I10372 0.04686058
86
0
1,2
0
0
0
4,6
8,2
Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H 0.02305468
57,8
0
7
3,8
0
8,2
0
23,2
Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H 0.03479737
52,8
0
1,2
6,2
0
12,6
0
27,2
Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H 0.02260920
51,4
0
7,8
8,2
0
11,4
3
18,2
Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H 0.02683218
52
0
1,2
8,4
0
8,4
5
25
Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H 0.02621562
52
0
5
9
1,8
10,6
3
18,6
Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H 0.02984338
53,4
0
1,2
6,8
2
9
3,6
24

What if instead of Natufian you had a pre-Islamic era (with out Medieval era SSA) North African sample? Also, of course, there are no Greek colonization era samples.

Have you done it for Calabria?

Palermo Trapani · Jun 19, 2020

Shahmiri

I know where Iran is. My point is that the Phoenician period you cited (1550 to 300) was not used in the Fernandes et al 2020 paper. In addition 2 points. First, with respect to Sicily it would be 1000-900 BC at the earliest that the Phoenicians set up trade routes/cities. Three principal Pheonician cities in Sicily are all in NW Sicily, Solunto, Mozia and Palermo. Second, the period you cited actually overlaps with the Carthaginians who while the successors of the earlier Phoenician colonies in Tunis would likely include some local Berbers in addition to the descendants of the original founders from the Levant (i.e. Phoenicians).

Furthermore, as was mentioned before, Iran-Neolithic ancestry entered Sicily and likely other parts of the Italian Mainland well before the arrival of Steppe ancestry that Fernandes et al 2020 documented in the period circa 2500-2000 BC. As I noted in post 152 and 156, a working paper (pre-print is available) by VanDeLooschret et al 2020 documents the arrival of Iran-Neolithic ancestry into Sicily 3,500 years before the period of the samples in Fernandes et al 2020, which is when Steppe type ancestry arrived in Sicily.

So my post clearly indicating that Iran-Neolithic ancestry was into Sicily well before the "Steppe Herders" who are the favorite ancient group for some people on these genetics forums and youtube video comment sections out there. So I am not sure what you are suggesting I am arguing against. Most of the people here of Italian ancestry have read the Antonio et al 2019 paper on Ancient Romans, which documents Iran-Neolithic ancestry in Lazio, the Raveane et al 2019 paper (which is cited in this thread), documenting Iran-Neolithic in all Italian Southern Regions (Sicily included), the Fernandes et al 2020 paper documents it and this new pre-print working paper that I referenced in post #152 and #156 by VandeLooschret et al 2020 (which has Krause and Haak on it) documents it as far back as circa 6,700 BC.

Respectfully, I am not sure what you are trying to argue or say.

DuPidh · Jun 19, 2020

ratchet_fan said:
Is that really true? I would imagine Caucasian ancestry has made a bigger impact in the most densely populated parts of the country. Obviously modern Iranians aren't perfect representations of the earliest Iranians due to Anatolia_N ancestry. I believe Iran_N ancestry actually peaks in Pakistan.

Many Kurds have posted their DNA tests on you tube. As you know Kurds are an Iranic people stock and they report on average from 10 to 12% South Asian ancestry which is India, Pakistan. So my guess is Iran should have higher percentage of south Asian ancestry due to its proximity and trade and cultural exchanges. Its not hard to see in Iranian phenotype south Asian ancestry

Shahmiri · Jun 19, 2020

Angela said:
Obviously, the Iranian related ancestry discussed in the papers is based on ANCIENT samples from the Iranian Neolithic for example, or it's based on Anatolian Chalcolithic or Anatolian Bronze Age samples. Who says any different?

All Jovialis was CLEARLY saying is that modern Iranians have changed since then, which is obvious. It's not MODERN Iranian related genetics that is showing up in Southeast Europe.

Try reading more carefully before shooting off a post.

Iran is a just a land in the West Asia where different people in different period lived there, it is certainly possible that people who live too far from Iran have more Iranian-related ancestry than modern Iranians, because there were several migrations from and to Iran in the last thousands years.
As I said It absolutely doesn't matter who modern Iranians are and what their culture and language is, because we are talking about the people who lived in this land some thousands years ago, you can assume that 4,000 years ago all people who lived in this land migrated to another land and other people came there.
Whether through Anatolia or Levant, less than 4,000 years ago some people from Iran migrated to the Aegean and other parts of Europe, look at Lazaridis et al, Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans, which clearly mentions this thing, so we already talk about this Iranian-related people that I believe they were Indo-Europeans, what is its problem?

DuPidh · Jun 19, 2020

Angela said:
It doesn't matter how many academic papers are posted here; the usual suspects prefer the amateur models which "prove" their preconceived notions.

If I had the time I'd go back and pull up all the models which "proved" that Etruscans were first millennium BC Anatolians.

so Etruscans are an Iberian like people genetically speaking, right?

ratchet_fan · Jun 19, 2020

DuPidh said:
Many Kurds have posted their DNA tests on you tube. As you know Kurds are an Iranic people stock and they report on average from 10 to 12% South Asian ancestry which is India, Pakistan. So my guess is Iran should have higher percentage of south Asian ancestry due to its proximity and trade and cultural exchanges. Its not hard to see in Iranian phenotype south Asian ancestry

I believe you. Interesting. Is it just a general South Asian component or particularly AASI or Iran_N related?

Jovialis · Jun 19, 2020

DuPidh said:
so Etruscans are an Iberian like people genetically speaking, right?

Not quite.

Etruscans do plot between modern-Iberians, and Northern Italians, as do 2 of the 4 Latin samples. However, if you look at the chart below, Iberians and Etruscans were quite different during the Iron Age, in terms of admixture rates. There was a resurgence of WHG during the cooper age in central Italy, which probably had help plot them closer to Iberia. Fwiw, R1 (to the far left of the admixture block), the Proto-Villanovan, shows very little WHG.

Shahmiri · Jun 19, 2020

Palermo Trapani said:
Shahmiri

I know where Iran is. My point is that the Phoenician period you cited (1550 to 300) was not used in the Fernandes et al 2020 paper. In addition 2 points. First, with respect to Sicily it would be 1000-900 BC at the earliest that the Phoenicians set up trade routes/cities. Three principal Pheonician cities in Sicily are all in NW Sicily, Solunto, Mozia and Palermo. Second, the period you cited actually overlaps with the Carthaginians who while the successors of the earlier Phoenician colonies in Tunis would likely include some local Berbers in addition to the descendants of the original founders from the Levant (i.e. Phoenicians).

Furthermore, as was mentioned before, Iran-Neolithic ancestry entered Sicily and likely other parts of the Italian Mainland well before the arrival of Steppe ancestry that Fernandes et al 2020 documented in the period circa 2500-2000 BC. As I noted in post 152 and 156, a working paper (pre-print is available) by VanDeLooschret et al 2020 documents the arrival of Iran-Neolithic ancestry into Sicily 3,500 years before the period of the samples in Fernandes et al 2020, which is when Steppe type ancestry arrived in Sicily.

So my post clearly indicating that Iran-Neolithic ancestry was into Sicily well before the "Steppe Herders" who are the favorite ancient group for some people on these genetics forums and youtube video comment sections out there. So I am not sure what you are suggesting I am arguing against. Most of the people here of Italian ancestry have read the Antonio et al 2019 paper on Ancient Romans, which documents Iran-Neolithic ancestry in Lazio, the Raveane et al 2019 paper (which is cited in this thread), documenting Iran-Neolithic in all Italian Southern Regions (Sicily included), the Fernandes et al 2020 paper documents it and this new pre-print working paper that I referenced in post #152 and #156 by VandeLooschret et al 2020 (which has Krause and Haak on it) documents it as far back as circa 6,700 BC.

Respectfully, I am not sure what you are trying to argue or say.

There is no rule which says there could be just one migration from a land to another land. As I said we read in Fernandes et al 2020 paper: "In Sicily, Iranian-related ancestry was present during the Middle Bronze Age, showing that this ancestry which was widespread in the Aegean around this time (in association with the Minoan and Mycenaean cultures), also reached further west." And we read in Lazaridis et al (Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans), "Minoans and Mycenaeans were genetically similar, having at least three-quarters of their ancestry from the first Neolithic farmers of western Anatolia and the Aegean, and most of the remainder from ancient populations related to those of the Caucasus and Iran." So this Iranian-related people were those who lived in Iran at the time of Minoans and Mycenaeans, not those ones who lived in Iran 9,000 years ago. As you know Mycenaeans were an Indo-European people, so those Iranian-related people could be Indo-European too.

ratchet_fan · Jun 19, 2020

Jovialis, that's a really cool visualization btw.

Target	Distance	Anatolia_Barcin_N	EHG_Karelia	Iran_Neo	MAR_EN	Maykop	Natufian	WHG	Yamnaya_RUS
ITA_Sicily_MN:I4062	0.03016186	92,6	0,0	0,0	0,0	0,0	0,0	7,4	0,0
ITA_Sicily_MN:I4063	0.03005867	89,2	0,0	0,0	0,0	0,0	0,0	10,8	0,0
ITA_Sicily_MN:I4064	0.03054454	91,6	0,0	0,0	0,0	0,0	0,0	8,4	0,0
ITA_Sicily_MN:I4065	0.02933668	85,8	0,0	0,0	0,0	0,0	0,0	14,2	0,0
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I3122	0.03482724	88,0	0,0	0,0	0,0	0,0	0,0	12,0	0,0
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I3123	0.03204897	77,6	0,0	0,0	1,6	2,4	0,0	9,2	9,2
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I3124	0.03682332	76,8	0,0	0,0	0,0	0,0	0,0	9,0	14,2
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I7807	0.04110646	89,6	0,0	0,0	0,0	3,4	0,0	7,0	0,0
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I8561	0.03634092	67,4	6,6	0,0	0,0	0,0	0,0	12,4	13,6
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I11442	0.03899473	81,4	0,0	0,0	1,2	1,2	0,0	7,6	8,6
ITA_Sicily_EBA:I11443	0.03095006	49,4	0,0	0,0	0,4	0,0	0,0	8,6	41,6
Beaker_Sicily_no_steppe	0.05027567	72,0	0,0	0,0	0,2	22,6	0,0	5,2	0,0
ITA_Sicily_MBA:I3125	0.02619634	76,6	0,0	0,0	0,0	15,2	0,0	8,0	0,2
ITA_Sicily_MBA:I4109	0.03939586	83,4	0,0	0,0	1,0	9,4	0,0	6,2	0,0
ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3878	0.02363986	81,0	0,0	0,0	1,8	1,8	0,0	5,8	9,6
ITA_Sicily_LBA:I10372	0.04711925	81,0	0,0	0,0	0,0	11,6	0,0	7,4	0,0
ITA_Sicily_LBA:I3876	0.03185393	73,8	0,0	0,0	1,0	11,0	0,0	6,0	8,2
Sicilian_East:EastSicilian2H	0.02219327	52,8	0,0	1,8	0,0	15,6	7,4	0,8	21,6
Sicilian_East:EastSicilian5H	0.03396469	48,4	0,0	2,6	0,0	10,6	12,8	0,6	25,0
Sicilian_East:EastSicilian8H	0.02012140	44,6	0,0	4,8	0,0	19,8	10,8	4,0	16,0
Sicilian_West:WestSicilian10H	0.02622899	48,6	0,0	5,8	0,0	8,0	8,6	5,6	23,4
Sicilian_West:WestSicilian4H	0.02486791	47,4	0,0	6,0	2,4	14,4	9,4	3,6	16,8
Sicilian_West:WestSicilian7H	0.02924797	50,0	0,0	4,2	2,2	8,8	8,6	4,4	21,8

Sicilians pre-Greek colonization

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