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Thread: Yes, there is EHG ancestry in Eastern Europe today.

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    Yes, there is EHG ancestry in Eastern Europe today.

    In Finland, Russia, Estonia, Poland, Austria and eastern Germany there is EHG ancestry that can be distinguished from WHG today.

    It is possible to model countries in western Europe with only WHG, Yamnaya and Anatolia Barcin, but if you try to do the same thing in the east, the distances widen and the model gets worse.

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 4.9374% / 0.04937387
    49.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    36.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    13.8 WHG


    Target: French_Paris
    Distance: 3.9803% / 0.03980288
    47.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    40.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    12.4 WHG


    Target: Welsh
    Distance: 4.4866% / 0.04486597
    46.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    38.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    14.4 WHG


    Target: English
    Distance: 4.7162% / 0.04716228
    47.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    38.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    14.2 WHG


    Target: Norwegian
    Distance: 4.8877% / 0.04887723
    46.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    35.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    13.2 WHG
    5.0 RUS_Karelia_HG

    ( Note that in Norway EHG - RUS_Karelia_HG - is already starting to appear, but in low quantities.)

    In the east, the quantities of EHG increase significantly - which does not happen in the west even in Ireland where Yamnaya ancestry is enormous.

    Target: Russian_Kostroma
    Distance: 5.4349% / 0.05434858
    33.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    30.2 RUS_Karelia_HG
    28.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    5.6 WHG
    3.0 Nganassan


    Target: Estonian
    Distance: 6.4167% / 0.06416713
    32.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    30.4 RUS_Karelia_HG
    27.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    10.4 WHG


    Target: Polish:Polish16
    Distance: 4.6207% / 0.04620698
    37.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    28.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    24.4 RUS_Karelia_HG
    9.8 WHG


    To test the theory I checked if the Finns were closer to the Poles or the Norwegians.

    Distance to: Finnish
    0.02687788 Russian_Kostroma
    0.03670159 Estonian
    0.05559852 Polish:Polish16
    0.06710421 Norwegian
    0.07270481 Dutch
    0.07965585 Irish
    0.08040507 English
    0.08168025 Welsh
    0.10231534 French_Paris


    No surprise. Countries with higher amounts of EHG are closer

    Populations used as source:

    Anatolia_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
    WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445 ,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
    GEO_CHG:KK1,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
    Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0. 1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537
    MAR_Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
    Baltic_LTU_Narva,0.0116,0.0109,0.0478167,0.0570333 ,0.0389833,0.0188,0.0046,0.0124,0.0289833,-0.0104667,-0.0034,-0.0130167,0.0184167,0.0033167,0.024,0.03545,0.0027 5,0.0041833,-0.0051667,0.0349,0.0531667,0.00625,-0.0237333,-0.0946,0.0092333
    IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I11466,0.044391,-0.020311,-0.171213,0.076551,-0.104635,0.054105,0.010105,-0.010384,-0.00225,0.019499,-0.008282,0.014237,-0.007136,-0.012386,0.018187,0.026783,0.011865,0.010135,0.003 017,-0.014632,0.00836,-0.013973,0.003081,-0.006266,0.008023
    IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic:I1955,0.094473,0.111708,-0.053551,-0.027455,-0.044316,-0.003347,0.00376,-0.004384,-0.03027,-0.016037,0.004709,-0.004046,0.005649,0.008533,0.004072,-0.002121,-0.022948,-0.004434,0.005531,-0.009755,-0.002496,-0.002844,0.001849,-0.008194,-0.001796
    RUS_Karelia_HG:I0211,0.12862,0.032497,0.125958,0.2 21902,0.003385,0.056057,-0.014571,-0.010615,0.007567,-0.084011,0.009581,-0.029674,0.047423,-0.018304,0.014794,0.041766,-0.020079,0.002154,-0.007668,0.003252,-0.01435,0.017188,0.005916,-0.027594,-0.00958
    Dinka,-0.577083,0.0507765,-0.0003773,-0.0075098,-0.0053855,-0.0016735,-0.0176848,0.0204222,0.081145,-0.0969495,-0.02107,0.022742,-0.0383172,-0.0011698,0.0101452,-0.021347,0.0186125,-0.0094382,0.0241968,-0.0241678,0.002402,0.003308,0.001479,0.0009038,0.0 096995
    ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838
    Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
    Khomani_San,-0.6220435,0.060424,0.02093,0.030039,-0.0004615,0.000837,0.236773,-0.1823,0.0185095,0.0067425,0.00203,-0.053952,-0.0211845,0.005505,0.018797,-0.0212805,0.029662,0.2623085,-0.0877375,0.001751,-0.0331915,-0.002844,0.0038205,-0.0050005,0.0016765
    Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
    Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
    Levant_Natufian:I0861,0.01935,0.135065,-0.039221,-0.135984,0.026774,-0.076137,-0.019036,-0.024691,0.100626,-0.008018,0.02858,-0.019633,0.067343,0.001651,0.022801,0.02612,-0.0103,0.006714,-0.018101,0.041395,-0.004118,-0.003215,-0.014297,-0.011206,0.011975

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    Even better models using UKR_Meso as a source for EHG.

    Target: Irish
    Distance: 4.9195% / 0.04919523
    45.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    37.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    11.6 WHG
    5.6 UKR_Meso


    Target: Danish
    Distance: 5.0291% / 0.05029054
    38.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    38.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    13.6 UKR_Meso
    9.2 WHG


    Target: Finnish
    Distance: 4.8978% / 0.04897820
    48.6 UKR_Meso
    31.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    19.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


    Target: Russian_Kostroma
    Distance: 5.6786% / 0.05678587
    42.6 UKR_Meso
    32.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    25.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


    Target: Estonian
    Distance: 5.9831% / 0.05983082
    47.6 UKR_Meso
    30.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    22.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


    Target: Polish:Polish16
    Distance: 4.7746% / 0.04774636
    36.0 UKR_Meso
    34.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    29.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


    Target: Ukrainian
    Distance: 5.4338% / 0.05433764
    36.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    32.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    31.8 UKR_Meso

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    Very interesting. Was there some sort of y R1a/R1b EHG population that didn't leave many descendants in these areas?

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