MyTrueAncestry - closest modern countries to ancient ethnicities

[Regio X]

Could you send me the exact result as MTA tends to mislabel a lot of samples. I have seen North Italian matches to "Cisalpine Gauls" who in fact dated from the Dark Ages.

Ok. I'll try to upload her results again later, to see what we get.

[Regio X]

Could you send me the exact result as MTA tends to mislabel a lot of samples. I have seen North Italian matches to "Cisalpine Gauls" who in fact dated from the Dark Ages.

Yes, mother's Gaul seems to be from Dark Ages, because:

Ancient Pops

Gaul + Gallo-Roman (2.015)

Gallo-Roman + Frank (2.015)

Gaul + Illyrian (3.125)

Roman + Frank (3.665)

Gaul + Roman (4.57)

Gaul (6.215)

Illyrian (7.467)

Gallo-Roman (8.631)

Frank (10.0)

Roman (11.24)

Matching Samples:

1. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave (580 AD) ..... 5.792 -
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99 %

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2. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 6.215 -
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99 %

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Top 10 Samples by era:

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Dark Ages

1. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave (580 AD) ..... 5.792 -
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99 %

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2. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 6.215 -
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99 %

match vs all users

So we can deduce that this Gaul with distance of 6.215 is from Dark Ages.

[Maciamo]

Number of modern samples so far.

>10 samples

Belgium, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Spain

5 to 10 samples

Albania, England

< 5 samples

Austria, Bulgaria, Belarus, Croatia, Czechia, Denmark, Finland, Greece, Ireland, Lithuania, Macedonia, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Scotland, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine, Wales

0 samples

Estonia, Latvia, Montenegro, Slovakia

[don_joe]

A very interesting project. I'll gladly share my my results, although I have scored only once under 10. I am Croat.

Early Bronze Age

5. Western Pomerania Unetice (2000 BC) ..... 12.91


12. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 16.11

Late Bronze Age

18. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 17.68


Iron Age

1. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) ..... 8.915


3. Western-Scythian Black Sea (290 BC) ..... 11.16


7. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) ..... 14.5


11. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) ..... 16.05


14. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 16.91


19. Western-Scythian Outlier Black Sea (260 BC) ..... 17.77


Roman Age

6. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 17.08


20. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 17.92



Dark Ages

2. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 11.13


4. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 11.46


10. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 15.47


13. Early Slav Avar Grave (590 AD) ..... 16.25


17. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 17.42





Medieval Age



6. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 13.86


8. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 14.54


9. Hungarian Conqueror Karos III (900 AD) ..... 15.06


15. Baltic Medieval Denmark (1250 AD) ..... 16.95

[xlukex]

I'm 75% Czech and 25% German, but all of my closest samples are associated with Czechia, either historically or through closest modern population. However, I'll also try to convince my 100% Czech father to take a DNA test as well to confirm. I also added my top 99% samples as some of those I highly doubt you will find an individual under the genetic distance of 10.
The Lugii, Pre-Slav Poland, Bell Beaker Haunstetten Germany 1873 BC (date is important), Bronze Age Vatya Hungary (1750 BC), Oxford Infirmiary (1790 AD), and Boii (obviously) samples have Boii associated with one of their closest ancient civilizations. In case you don't know, the name Bohemia came from the name Boiohaemum (first mentioned by Tacitus), with Boi coming from the Boii and haemum being latinized German from the old German word haimaz or home, to create the name meaning 'Boii home'. The name was based on German because at this time the Marcomanni, Quadi, and Lugii already had a confederation set up in the region.

Top 99%&Under 10
1. Germanic Medieval Denmark (1250 AD) ..... 9.202 - G939 -
Closest Modern:
1. Czech (15.15)
2. Southwest_Finnish (15.46)
3. North_German (16.62)
4. Austrian (16.64)
2. Lugii Tribe Iron Age Maslomecz (300 AD) ..... 9.63 - PCA103_Mas16 -
Closest Modern:
1. Austrian (18.12)
2. East_German (18.87)
3. Czech (19.54)
4. Croatian (21.38)

Top 99%
Pre-Slav Medieval Poland (950 AD) ..... 10.79 - PCA124_Niemcza10 -
Closest Modern:
1. Austrian (17.52)
2. Czech (17.54)
3. East_German (18.00)
4. Polish (18.29)
15. Medieval Nabburg Germany (1350 AD) ..... 12.49 - NAB004A
1. North_German (16.69)
2. Czech (16.69)
3. Southwest_Finnish (16.99)
4. Irish (18.49)
39. Bell Beaker Haunstetten Germany (1873 BC) ..... 14.27 - UNTA58_153 -
1. Southwest_French (11.81)
2. Spanish_Cantabria (15.15)
3. Spanish_Aragon (16.12)
4. French_Basque (16.26)
40. Iron Age Ingria (130 AD) ..... 14.54 - VIII8 -
1. Polish (19.00)
2. Czech (19.38)
3. South_Polish (19.83)
4. Russian_Smolensk (19.98)
46. Bronze Age Vatya Hungary (1750 BC) ..... 14.87 - Rise479 -
1. Polish (15.15)
2. South_Polish (15.39)
3. Russian_Smolensk (15.98)
4. Croatian (16.61)
52. Iron Age Black Sea (600 BC) ..... 15.5 - MJ14 -
1. Polish (21.95)
2. Russian_Smolensk (21.99)
3. Czech (22.07)
4. Belorussian (22.37)
66. Iron Age Boii Tribe Singen am Hohentwiel (597 BC) ..... 16.5 - MX265 -
1. Southwest_French (15.01)
2. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (16.90)
3. Spanish_Cataluna (17.22)
4. Spanish_Valencia (17.39)
68. Celtic-Sarmatian Outlier (300 BC) ..... 16.72 - MJ39 -
1. Czech (20.69)
2. Austrian (21.70)
3. Russian_Smolensk (22.92)
4. Polish (22.98)
79. Medieval Age Livonia (1200 AD) ..... 17.21 - OLS03 -
1. Czech (22.78)
2. Austrian (23.22)
3. Southwest_Finnish (24.16)
4. Polish (25.02)
81. Oxford Infirmiary (1790 AD) ..... 17.27 - CS01 -
1. Austrian (23.97)
2. East_German (24.57)
3. Czech (25.12)
4. Croatian (26.21)
110. Livonian Medieval Denmark (1250 AD) ..... 18.35 - G911 -
1. Czech (26.42)
2. Austrian (26.84)
3. Russian_Smolensk (28.51)
4. Polish (28.63)

[flupke]

[/CENTER]

Thanks. Since your ancestry is from French/Belgian Flanders I am going to list you among Belgians. In fact your data fits completely within the Belgian range.

OK ;)
But still no Belgae !

[Maciamo]

OK ;)
But still no Belgae !

All the Belgae tested were from Alsace. Your closest match is this one:

Iron Age Colmar France (340 BC) ..... 8.102

[Benzebuth198]

Hi, I'm from Belgium (as all of my ancestors up to the Belgian revolution of 1830):

Here are my results:

Neolithic Age

8. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 8.386 -

12. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 9.143 -


Early Bronze Age

1. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech (2122 BC) ..... 5.274 -

2. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 5.991

20. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 9.786 -

Roman Age

6. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 7.636 -

13. Germanic Tribe Crypta Balbi (500 AD) ..... 9.146 -

14. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 9.283 -


Dark Ages

3. Germanic Lombard Szolad (590 AD) ..... 6.245 -

4. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 6.422 -

5. Visigoth Frankish Girona (550 AD) ..... 6.906 -

7. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) ..... 7.691 -

9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 8.658 -

15. Swiss Germanic (580 AD) ..... 9.365 - ?

18. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 9.582 -

19. Saxon Hinxton (720 AD) ..... 9.743 -


Medieval Age

10. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 8.775 -


11. Franco Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1215 AD) ..... 9.032 -

16. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 9.437 -

Early Modern Period

17. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) ..... 9.545 -

[Maciamo]

Another interesting find. Samples from the Urnfield culture in Hungary are closest to modern Kosovars and Albanians. The Urnfield culture existed during the turbulent period of the Bronze Age collapse in the East Mediterranean with the invasions of the Sea Peoples. It owes its name to the practice of cremation that replaced the Indo-European tradition of tumulus/kurgan burial. The Urnfield culture superimposed itself other Late Bronze Age cultures such as Hallstatt around the Alps and Proto-Villanova in Italy, and as such can be seen as a foreign element mixing with Indo-European cultures. It is conceivable that this is the period when Y-haplogroup E-V13 and J2b-L283 (both peaking around Kosovo and Albania today) spread around central Europe - though not necessarily from Kosovo/Albania.

Urnfield culture (Hungary, 1300-750 BCE)

- Kosovars : 7.7
- Tosk Albanians : 7.9
- Tuscans : 8.4
- North Italians : 9.7
- Bulgarians : 9.9

[Maciamo]

Another major surprise of all is that the Vandals only cluster around modern British and Irish people and not with any modern Germanic country. Their closest match are the Irish, which suggests a predominantly Celtic ancestry. Yet the Vandals are usually considered to be an East Germanic tribe. Could it be that they were actually Germanised Celt? They originated in southern Poland and it has been hypothesised that they were part of the Lugii tribe, whose DNA also turns out closest to Welsh and Irish people.

[DuPidh]

Another interesting find. Samples from the Urnfield culture in Hungary are closest to modern Kosovars and Albanians. The Urnfield culture existed during the turbulent period of the Bronze Age collapse in the East Mediterranean with the invasions of the Sea Peoples. It owes its name to the practice of cremation that replaced the Indo-European tradition of tumulus/kurgan burial. The Urnfield culture superimposed itself other Late Bronze Age cultures such as Hallstatt around the Alps and Proto-Villanova in Italy, and as such can be seen as a foreign element mixing with Indo-European cultures. It is conceivable that this is the period when Y-haplogroup E-V13 and J2b-L283 (both peaking around Kosovo and Albania today) spread around central Europe - though not necessarily from Kosovo/Albania.

Urnfield culture (Hungary, 1300-750 BCE)

- Kosovars : 7.7
- Tosk Albanians : 7.9
- Tuscans : 8.4
- North Italians : 9.7
- Bulgarians : 9.9

Your findings about Kosovars being close to Hungarian urnfield culture has also historical merit. Ancient Greeks wrote that Illyrians came from central Europe, which is exactly where Hungary is. And DNA is proving just that. The only thing I disagree is describing L 283 and E-v13 as foreign element to Indo-European culture. The presence of L283 in Dalmatia dates 3600 yrs which makes it very European. You also contradict another posting of yours where you say that E v13 and L283 are Indo-European haplogroups for the reason of their spread. They are present even in the areas where G is missing, and this haplogroup homogenous spread around Europe can be explained only through this two haplogroups being part of Indo-European people.

[Maciamo]

Your findings about Kosovars being close to Hungarian urnfield culture has also historical merit. Ancient Greeks wrote that Illyrians came from central Europe, which is exactly where Hungary is. And DNA is proving just that. The only thing I disagree is describing L 283 and E-v13 as foreign element to Indo-European culture. The presence of L283 in Dalmatia dates 3600 yrs which makes it very European. You also contradict another posting of yours where you say that E v13 and L283 are Indo-European haplogroups for the reason of their spread. They are present even in the areas where G is missing, and this haplogroup homogenous spread around Europe can be explained only through this two haplogroups being part of Indo-European people.

I think that you are confusing European and Indo-European. E-V13 and J2b-L283 have not been found in the Yamna culture, nor in the Corded Ware, Unetice or among Bell Beaker samples that had Steppe DNA. These were all R1b, I2 and R1a.

There is no doubt that E-V13 appeared in Europe, most probably somewhere between Germany and western Ukraine, apparently around 2800 BCE based on the age estimate for its formation. But that was in Late Neolithic or Chalcolithic Europe and as a lineage descending from the farmers of Old Europe. It is only between 2000 BCE and 1000 BCE, during the Middle to Late Bronze Age (hence possibly the Urnfield culture) that it started a major expansion, diversifying into many clades.

J2b-L283 is even older, but also underwent a major expansion as J-Z597>Z2507 from 2200 BCE and again from 1600 BCE. If I remember correctly, the oldest attested J2b-L283 in Europe was in Croatia c. 1600 BCE.

Therefore, it is possible that at least part of the story regarding the expansion of both haplogroups around Europe took place during the Urnfield expansion, joining the Late Bronze Age Indo-European cultures in Europe and therefore being present in subsequent Iron Age cultures.

[xlukex]

Another major surprise of all is that the Vandals only cluster around modern British and Irish people and not with any modern Germanic country. Their closest match are the Irish, which suggests a predominantly Celtic ancestry. Yet the Vandals are usually considered to be an East Germanic tribe. Could it be that they were actually Germanised Celt? They originated in southern Poland and it has been hypothesised that they were part of the Lugii tribe, whose DNA also turns out closest to Welsh and Irish people.

I showed you my genetic distance relative to the Lugii sample and I have absolutely 0% Vandal.
Closest Ancient of Lugii:
Boii + Ostrogoth (9.418)
Viking Danish + Boii (9.637)
Scythian + Boii (11.18)
Belgae + Boii (11.5)
Belgae + Scythian (12.25)
Boii (13.32)
Ostrogoth (14.81)
Belgae (15.76)
Viking Danish (16.42)
Scythian (16.63)
Closest Samples to the Lugii:
Pre-Slav Medieval Poland (950 AD) (6.582)
Oxford Infirmiary (1790 AD) (9.581)
Iron Age Ingria (130 AD) (10.47)
Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford (1002 AD) (10.71)
Iron Age Trundholm Denmark (670 BC) (11.34)
I can't comment on similar samples or populations to the Vandals because, as mentioned before, I do not match with any of them.

p.s. I always thought that E-V13 may have initially spread with the Vinca culture or Pre-Vinca culture as it has a high affinity for Kosovo and Serbia, a E1b1bsomthing haplogroup was found from a Linear Potter Culture sight (can't find the link yet), and the distribution makes it look like it spread up the Danube, just like the earliest farmers would have done as they needed the fertile loess. However, yes, it may have also did some spreading during the Urnfield.

[Carlos]

I think I have seen a vandal in a sample but now I don't remember, I'm going to look.

[xlukex]

Don't mean to distract from the intention of this thread, but a slight edit to my last post.
I did not realize that there were multiple Lugii samples. So, the 3 Lugii samples that I know of now are PCA103, PCA100, and PCA89. Don't know if there are more. I was able to run a 3D PCA for Lugii PCA89 even though I don't have it unlocked, and it appeared that some of the closer samples were Medieval Piedmont (CL57), North Central Lombard (CL63), and SZ38 (Bronze Age Hungary?). PCA100 seamed to be the most common match as it is now gets the closest matches in western Europe. On this sample you can get a genetic distance of 9.462 and still only be in the top 82% or get 11.53 and only be in the top 69%, relative to PCA103's closest modern population distance of 18.12. I do not match with PC100, but it seemed like the people that do have a lot of Lombard matches. At this period in time (300AD) the Lombards were located directly to the west of the Lugii. I don't know why PCA103 appears to be the only Lugii sample associated with the Boii and PreSlav Poland that I know of and is way off track from the other ones. However, my best guesses or hypothesis are that either PCA103 was a Marcomanni or Quadi that joined the Lugii or that PCA89 and PCA100 were actually Lombards living with the Lugii. Either that or the Lugii tribe had a tremendous amount of genetic diversity in its ranks. Please correct me if I am wrong as I don't have PCA100 or PCA89 unlocked.
Thank You,

[Hawk]

I think that you are confusing European and Indo-European. E-V13 and J2b-L283 have not been found in the Yamna culture, nor in the Corded Ware, Unetice or among Bell Beaker samples that had Steppe DNA. These were all R1b, I2 and R1a.

There is no doubt that E-V13 appeared in Europe, most probably somewhere between Germany and western Ukraine, apparently around 2800 BCE based on the age estimate for its formation. But that was in Late Neolithic or Chalcolithic Europe and as a lineage descending from the farmers of Old Europe. It is only between 2000 BCE and 1000 BCE, during the Middle to Late Bronze Age (hence possibly the Urnfield culture) that it started a major expansion, diversifying into many clades.

J2b-L283 is even older, but also underwent a major expansion as J-Z597>Z2507 from 2200 BCE and again from 1600 BCE. If I remember correctly, the oldest attested J2b-L283 in Europe was in Croatia c. 1600 BCE.

Therefore, it is possible that at least part of the story regarding the expansion of both haplogroups around Europe took place during the Urnfield expansion, joining the Late Bronze Age Indo-European cultures in Europe and therefore being present in subsequent Iron Age cultures.

There will be no E-V13 around that region, inbetween Germany and Western Ukraine. The Bronze Age North Serbian region had no E-V13. Really doubt there will be anything more North and East.

E-V13 mutation might have happened somewhere around those regions in Austria/Switzerland/Hungary as a spinoff from Cardial Farmers.

[kuzmosi]

Well, and another interesting point of view:

Until now 21 members commented on this topic. And their y chr hpg analysis is as follows:

6 No Data (Carlos, Maciamo, DuPidh, Benzebuth198, RegioX, Dianatomia.
6 E1b1b (Progon, xlukex, don joe, kuzmosi, Northener, king john, (the first 4 are EV13, and one V22 and one M123)
4 I: (Flupke, Radka, Ivar of Rasa Bol, Armatus)
3 R1b (Duarte, halfalp, mitty)
1 J2 (Stuvane)
1 T (Salento)

No one R1a, G, J1, or other. Does this mean that the EV13 (average 5% from all Europe) is the most committed prehistoric DNA researcher? Why?

[Johane Derite]

Another interesting find. Samples from the Urnfield culture in Hungary are closest to modern Kosovars and Albanians. The Urnfield culture existed during the turbulent period of the Bronze Age collapse in the East Mediterranean with the invasions of the Sea Peoples. It owes its name to the practice of cremation that replaced the Indo-European tradition of tumulus/kurgan burial. The Urnfield culture superimposed itself other Late Bronze Age cultures such as Hallstatt around the Alps and Proto-Villanova in Italy, and as such can be seen as a foreign element mixing with Indo-European cultures. It is conceivable that this is the period when Y-haplogroup E-V13 and J2b-L283 (both peaking around Kosovo and Albania today) spread around central Europe - though not necessarily from Kosovo/Albania.

Urnfield culture (Hungary, 1300-750 BCE)

- Kosovars : 7.7
- Tosk Albanians : 7.9
- Tuscans : 8.4
- North Italians : 9.7
- Bulgarians : 9.9

This is quite interesting. I think it fits as origin of "Dardanian" language. What is shifting tuscans towards this hungarian urnfield though

[Carlos]

Well, and another interesting point of view:

Until now 21 members commented on this topic. And their y chr hpg analysis is as follows:

6 No Data (Carlos, Maciamo, DuPidh, Benzebuth198, RegioX, Dianatomia.
6 E1b1b (Progon, xlukex, don joe, kuzmosi, Northener, king john, (the first 4 are EV13, and one V22 and one M123)
4 I: (Flupke, Radka, Ivar of Rasa Bol, Armatus)
3 R1b (Duarte, halfalp, mitty)
1 J2 (Stuvane)
1 T (Salento)

No one R1a, G, J1, or other. Does this mean that the EV13 (average 5% from all Europe) is the most committed prehistoric DNA researcher? Why?

OMG, someone must be impersonating my identity, how come I don't have data. I`m V22.

Returning to the subject of vandals. This sample has vandal.
It must be like some kind of pro-vandal or something.

244. Early Bronze Age Bad Zurzach Switzerland (1963 BC) ..... 20.08 - SNPRA63
Alemanni + Latin (1.837)
Vandal + Latin (3.364)
Latin + Ostrogoth (6.725)
Latin + Frank (7.013)
Alemanni + Frank (7.293)
Alemanni (9.039)
Vandal (10.38)
Ostrogoth (11.46)
Latin (11.7)
Frank (11.8)

[Shargan]

Hope I did this right. I am Bosnian (from Herzegovina to be more precise).

Your closest Ancient populations...

Gaul + Roman (8.295)
Thuringii + Roman (9.488)
Gaul + Gallo-Roman (10.75)
Gaul (11.29)
Thuringii + Gallo-Roman (11.64)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (12.04)
Roman (12.67)
Gallo-Roman (13.99)
Thuringii (15.62)
Illyrian (16.11)

Your closest genetic modern populations...

1. Bosnian (4.421)
2. Romanian (4.954)
3. Bulgarian (5.774)
4. Serbian (6.501)
5. Macedonian (6.503)
6. Kosovar (8.320)
7. Albanian_Tosk (10.46)
8. Greek_Thessaly (12.67)


Late Bronze Age
2. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 8.975 -
7. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 12.75 -
20. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 16.11 -


Iron Age
13. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 15.27 -


Roman Age
15. Thuringii Tribe (420 AD) ..... 15.62 -


Dark Ages
1. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) ..... 8.059 -
4. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 11.26 -
5. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 11.29 -
6. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 12.67 -
8. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 13.99 - ?
9. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 14.03 -
10. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 14.27 -
11. Central Roman (630 AD) ..... 14.5 - ?
14. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 15.5 -
16. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 15.74 - ?


Medieval Age
12. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 15.07 -
19. Medieval Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 16.07 -


Early Modern Period
3. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 11.11 - ?

[Constantine]

I'm Peloponnesian:



Your Top 10 Archaeogenetic matches by Era...

(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you, up to 10 samples per era)

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Late Bronze Age

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5. Bronze Age Szolad Hungary (1000 BC) ..... 7.918 -
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99 %

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Roman Age

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4. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 7.392 -
Top

99 %

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9. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona (165 AD) ..... 10.4 -
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99 %

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10. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 10.43 -
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99 %

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13. Hellenic Roman Marcellino (400 AD) ..... 11.04 -
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98 %

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15. Roman Villa Tarragona (350 AD) ..... 11.32 -
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98 %

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17. Hellenic Roman Monterotondo (165 AD) ..... 11.43 -
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98 %

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18. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 11.47 -
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98 %

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Dark Ages

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1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 4.691 -
Top

99 %

match vs all users

2. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 6.817 -
Top

99 %

match vs all users

7. Central Roman (630 AD) ..... 9.748 - ?
Top

98 %

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8. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 10.11 -
Top

99 %

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14. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 11.21 - ?
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99 %

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20. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 11.67 -
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99 %

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Medieval Age

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3. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) ..... 6.923 -
Top

99 %

match vs all users

6. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 8.148 -
Top

99 %

match vs all users

11. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague (1348 AD) ..... 10.67
Top

99 %

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16. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ ..... 11.4 -
Top

99 %

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19. Tuscan Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1355 AD) ..... 11.49 -
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99 %

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[Johane Derite]

Another interesting find. Samples from the Urnfield culture in Hungary are closest to modern Kosovars and Albanians. The Urnfield culture existed during the turbulent period of the Bronze Age collapse in the East Mediterranean with the invasions of the Sea Peoples. It owes its name to the practice of cremation that replaced the Indo-European tradition of tumulus/kurgan burial. The Urnfield culture superimposed itself other Late Bronze Age cultures such as Hallstatt around the Alps and Proto-Villanova in Italy, and as such can be seen as a foreign element mixing with Indo-European cultures. It is conceivable that this is the period when Y-haplogroup E-V13 and J2b-L283 (both peaking around Kosovo and Albania today) spread around central Europe - though not necessarily from Kosovo/Albania.

Urnfield culture (Hungary, 1300-750 BCE)

- Kosovars : 7.7
- Tosk Albanians : 7.9
- Tuscans : 8.4
- North Italians : 9.7
- Bulgarians : 9.9

"The origins of the cremation rite are commonly believed to be in Hungary, where it was widespread since the first half of the second millennium BC."


Given that the precursor to Urnfield was not practicing cremation, it is fair to speculate that the cremation rite spread from the hungarian basin. If E-v13's were at the forefront of this rite, it might explain the relative lack of ancient e-v13 samples compared to modern day distributions.

[blevins13]

Another interesting find. Samples from the Urnfield culture in Hungary are closest to modern Kosovars and Albanians. The Urnfield culture existed during the turbulent period of the Bronze Age collapse in the East Mediterranean with the invasions of the Sea Peoples. It owes its name to the practice of cremation that replaced the Indo-European tradition of tumulus/kurgan burial. The Urnfield culture superimposed itself other Late Bronze Age cultures such as Hallstatt around the Alps and Proto-Villanova in Italy, and as such can be seen as a foreign element mixing with Indo-European cultures. It is conceivable that this is the period when Y-haplogroup E-V13 and J2b-L283 (both peaking around Kosovo and Albania today) spread around central Europe - though not necessarily from Kosovo/Albania.

Urnfield culture (Hungary, 1300-750 BCE)

- Kosovars : 7.7
- Tosk Albanians : 7.9
- Tuscans : 8.4
- North Italians : 9.7
- Bulgarians : 9.9

I would never guessed for them?


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[blevins13]

"The origins of the cremation rite are commonly believed to be in Hungary, where it was widespread since the first half of the second millennium BC."


Given that the precursor to Urnfield was not practicing cremation, it is fair to speculate that the cremation rite spread from the hungarian basin. If E-v13's were at the forefront of this rite, it might explain the relative lack of ancient e-v13 samples compared to modern day distributions.

From which study these samples are coming?


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[Wheal]

Early Bronze Age

· Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) ..... 5.707 - I5471
· Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy (1813 BC) ..... 7.303
· Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) ..... 7.47
· Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) ..... 8.329
· Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech (2122 BC) ..... 8.437
· Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech (1813 BC) ..... 8.655
· Early Bronze Age Bad Zurzach Switzerland (2170 BC) ..... 9.552
· Bronze Age Dagger Koenigsbrunn (2046 BC) ..... 9.633
· Early Bronze Age Thames (1800 BC) ..... 9.676
· Bronze Age Covesea Cave Scotland (2000 BC) ..... 10.07

Iron Age
· Late Iron Age Linton Cambridgeshire (205 BC) ..... 8.142 -
· Cambridgeshire Iron Age (205 BC) ..... 8.563
· Celtic-Saxon Hinxton Iron Age (67 BC) ..... 8.585
· Celtic Briton (70 BC) ..... 10.02 -

Roman Age
· Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 9.419 -

Dark Ages
· Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) ..... 5.712
· Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 6.654 -
· Saxon Hinxton (720 AD) ..... 7.94 -
· Visigoth Frankish Girona (550 AD) ..... 8.279 -
· Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 8.907 -
· Young Merovingian Noble (605 AD) ..... 9.039
· Germanic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 9.124
· Germanic Lombard Szolad (590 AD) ..... 9.448

Medieval Age
· Medieval Norway Oslo (1350 AD) ..... 7.768 -
· North Sea Medieval Denmark (1250 AD) ..... 8.217
· Germanic Medieval Denmark (1250 AD) ..... 8.42 -
· Medieval Netherlands Plague II (1360 AD) ..... 8.665
· North Sea Medieval Denmark (1270 AD) ..... 9.448
· Viking Saxon Iceland (1104 AD) ..... 9.942
· Medieval Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 10.04

Early Modern Period
· Late Medieval Icelandic Murderer (1678 AD) ..... 8.734