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    Lazaridis et al. 2017 (Dodecad K7b)

    Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans, in combined raw data format, for Dodecad K7b

    Code:
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    I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete,0,17.73,0,1.4,34.95,45.92,0
    I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,19.26,0,0.86,51.08,28.8,0
    I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,12.13,2.52,0,52.68,31.22,1.45
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    I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete,0,21.69,0,0,48.8,29.51,0
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    Too bad that Armenoi sample is so unreliable. This version does put me a little closer to the one Mycenaean sample. Makes me sad I'm so far from the Minoans; one of my favorite cultures.

    Distance to: angela
    6.29387003 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    13.48408692 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    17.31640263 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    20.69998792 I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    22.26658258 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
    24.77961662 I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    25.32232612 I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
    27.88914126 I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    28.29610574 I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    29.09217421 I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    29.32003752 I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    29.56796577 I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    31.49904443 I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    31.92240279 I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    32.21982775 I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    32.88659453 I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    32.95443824 I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    34.87317737 I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    37.70120290 I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province


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    Distance to: Bigsnake49
    12.12611232 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    16.10770002 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    19.01526229 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    21.12739217 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
    25.60185735 I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    29.07804326 I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    29.35965599 I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    29.42317624 I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    29.91965575 I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    30.63614205 I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
    30.69305785 I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    30.84823172 I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    32.41480834 I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    32.48329725 I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    33.84073729 I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    34.27589678 I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    34.45734174 I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    34.61556297 I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    34.97014298 I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Too bad that Armenoi sample is so unreliable. This version does put me a little closer to the one Mycenaean sample. Makes me sad I'm so far from the Minoans; one of my favorite cultures.

    Distance to: angela
    6.29387003 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    13.48408692 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    17.31640263 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    20.69998792 I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    22.26658258 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
    24.77961662 I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    25.32232612 I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
    27.88914126 I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    28.29610574 I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    29.09217421 I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    29.32003752 I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    29.56796577 I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    31.49904443 I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    31.92240279 I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    32.21982775 I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    32.88659453 I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    32.95443824 I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    34.87317737 I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    37.70120290 I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    Without the Armenoi sample, my "single" result is composed of two Mycenaean samples, however at 8.5+ distance.


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    What’s this ‘Bronze age Armenoi Crete’?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriele Pashaj View Post
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    What’s this ‘Bronze age Armenoi Crete’?
    It is a low-quality sample, thus it is unreliable. Isolf Lazaridis publicly stated so, on twitter. Moreover, it comes from a later period from the other samples as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Without the Armenoi sample, my "single" result is composed of two Mycenaean samples, however at 8.5+ distance.

    I think we need samples with more steppe to fit us better.

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    ...with dod 7 (by Jovialis), ... getting closer:



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    My Dodecad 7 using Lazaridis et al 2017 Ancient Greek samples. Closer to the Mycenaean Greeks vs. Minoans.

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    4.93154134 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    5.89158722 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
    6.74245504 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    11.16441221 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    13.13417679 I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    13.87903815 I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    14.67297857 I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    15.33178072 I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    15.47671477 I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    16.32847819 I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    16.90629173 I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    17.50386529 I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    17.84991597 I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
    18.38965470 I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    18.50282951 I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    19.17182047 I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    19.57782419 I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    21.10822115 I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    21.31373970 I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete

    Target: PalermoTrapani
    Distance: 1.9575% / 1.95748127 | ADC: 0.25x
    67.4 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
    32.6 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


    Target: PalermoTrapani
    Distance: 2.1446% / 2.14456946 | ADC: 0.5x
    67.8 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
    26.6 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    5.6 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese


    Target: PalermoTrapani
    Distance: 4.2005% / 4.20045505 | ADC: 1x
    65.8 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    28.2 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
    6.0 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese


    Target: PalermoTrapani
    Distance: 4.9315% / 4.93154134 | ADC: 2x
    100.0 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese

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    Palermo, that's pretty close, much closer than me for sure. It would help if we had some modern Cretan DNA to compare it to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Palermo, that's pretty close, much closer than me for sure. It would help if we had some modern Cretan DNA to compare it to.
    The Cretans would be the modern Minoans correct, not the Mycenaean's which are more mainland. While I am closer Distance wise to the Mycenaean's using Dodecad 7, I get DNA matches on both Minoans and Mycenaean's at MTA. 4 matches with Minoans, 2 with Mycenaean's but I get a larger segment with the Thracian than any of the Minoans or Mycenaean's which is maybe why I plot closer to Mycenaean's. That is just conjecture on my part. Or maybe it is just autosomal wise, I am closer to the Mycenaean's regardless of the matches. Some common source ancestries shared by Ancient Greeks and Sicily/Southern Italy and even other part of Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    The Cretans would be the modern Minoans correct, not the Mycenaean's which are more mainland. While I am closer Distance wise to the Mycenaean's using Dodecad 7, I get DNA matches on both Minoans and Mycenaean's at MTA. 4 matches with Minoans, 2 with Mycenaean's but I get a larger segment with the Thracian than any of the Minoans or Mycenaean's which is maybe why I plot closer to Mycenaean's. That is just conjecture on my part. Or maybe it is just autosomal wise, I am closer to the Mycenaean's regardless of the matches. Some common source ancestries shared by Ancient Greeks and Sicily/Southern Italy and even other part of Italy.

    Capture_MTAmatch_6_10_20.JPG

    Common source / shared Ancestry:


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    Salento: I would think your updated ancient map of matches would look similar to mine. Am I correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Salento: I would think your updated ancient map of matches would look similar to mine. Am I correct?
    Yes, more or less,

    but the Chroma-Analysis samples I posted are connected to me and to each other at the chromosomal level:

    ” Multiple samples can share the same segments, this can denote greater common ancestry”

    ...
    You should have them too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    Yes, more or less,

    but the Chroma-Analysis samples I posted are connected to me and to each other at the chromosomal level:

    ” Multiple samples can share the same segments, this can denote greater common ancestry”

    ...
    You should have them too.
    Ok, yes, I need to go back and check the Chroma-Analysis.

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    My Greek friend gets the following

    Distance to: Chris
    10.07360909 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
    11.90707773 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    12.59780536 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    14.83348577 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    16.39738089 I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    16.51671880 I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    18.99042654 I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    20.08867343 I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    20.37512945 I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    20.93893264 I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    21.40357447 I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    21.62056660 I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    23.38093240 I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    23.52176864 I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    23.53762732 I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    24.25064329 I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    24.76740398 I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
    25.42504081 I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    27.97856501 I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete

    Target: Chris
    Distance: 758.3162% / 7.58316185

    53.6I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete46.4I2499_Bronze _Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province

    ( Why does it look like the distance % is glitched ? It happens only with Dodecad )

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    Mine

    Distance to: Stuvanè_Dodecadk7b
    6.55855929 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    13.26871885 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    17.03275374 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    21.40057009 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
    21.42168994 I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    25.86476948 I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    26.22964163 I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
    27.92743991 I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    28.08697741 I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    29.07277593 I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    29.86000502 I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    30.21347547 I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    30.80269956 I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    31.29061041 I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    31.63997155 I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    32.19990683 I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    32.95317435 I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    34.49393860 I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    36.49975068 I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province

    Target: Stuvanè_Dodecadk7b
    Distance: 6.5586% / 6.55855929

    100.0I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    The Cretans would be the modern Minoans correct, not the Mycenaean's which are more mainland. While I am closer Distance wise to the Mycenaean's using Dodecad 7, I get DNA matches on both Minoans and Mycenaean's at MTA. 4 matches with Minoans, 2 with Mycenaean's but I get a larger segment with the Thracian than any of the Minoans or Mycenaean's which is maybe why I plot closer to Mycenaean's. That is just conjecture on my part. Or maybe it is just autosomal wise, I am closer to the Mycenaean's regardless of the matches. Some common source ancestries shared by Ancient Greeks and Sicily/Southern Italy and even other part of Italy.

    Capture_MTAmatch_6_10_20.JPG
    Yeah, both modern day descendants of the Minoans and the Myceneans. I would also like some Classical Antiquity Greeks to test.

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    Completely unscientific and based on a few data points but it seems that our Italian friends are closer to the Minoans and Myceneans than some of the modern Greeks. I would like some of the other Greeks that hang around here to take the test. Maybe they will make a liar out of me but I think the modern Italians had less admixture events than the Greeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Completely unscientific and based on a few data points but it seems that our Italian friends are closer to the Minoans and Myceneans than some of the modern Greeks. I would like some of the other Greeks that hang around here to take the test. Maybe they will make a liar out of me but I think the modern Italians had less admixture events than the Greeks.
    I think modern Pelopennesians would come out similar to Myceaneans. However, I haven't seen anyone on this board from there.

    Below is a PCA I made for K7b with samples from Haak et al. 2015, Lazaridis et al 2017, and select eras from Antonio M. et al. 2019. It is mostly accurate, compared to the academic PCAs. However, R15 is wrong, since it is clustering with modern Northern Europeans. Also, the Greek sample from K7b seems to be perhaps from a more northern part of Greece. It is tough to see, though, it is between me, and C_Italy. Perhaps it is just due to how this calculator works, but I am usually, "West" of Greek samples; I am for K12b.


    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I think we need samples with more steppe to fit us better.

    Indeed, above, I am bracketed between the Mycenaean, and Yamnaya clusters.

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    Distance to: I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
    1.88018616 Ashkenazy_Jews
    2.02316584 Ashkenazi
    2.98481155 Sicilian
    3.95773925 S_Italian_Sicilian
    7.58703499 Sephardic_Jews
    8.80895567 Morocco_Jews
    10.57741462 Greek
    11.96443480 C_Italian
    17.20127030 Cypriots
    18.73890872 Tuscan
    19.18717540 TSI30
    20.83918664 O_Italian
    23.56318527 Turkish
    24.49232533 Lebanese
    24.66211062 Turks
    26.79884326 Syrians
    27.18660884 Bulgarian
    27.49257536 Druze
    27.75671811 Jordanians
    27.80351956 North_Italian
    27.97716390 Palestinian
    28.09444251 Bulgarians
    28.13523947 N_Italian
    29.20492595 Romanians
    30.95241025 Algerian


    Wow is that close to Ashkenazy Jews or what? Then Sicilians then Sephardic Jews then Greeks.

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    Distance to: adam
    5.56978456 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
    9.86920463 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    11.15019282 I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    11.50790598 I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    12.35573551 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    14.15913133 I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    15.88881997 I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    16.24245055 I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    16.43875604 I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    16.54025393 I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    16.89301039 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    17.61596151 I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    18.08058351 I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    18.57751060 I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    19.14544855 I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    19.30560022 I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    21.71154992 I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
    22.67110496 I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    24.48510976 I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    known ancestery:
    sefhardi / aschenazi/ mizrahi / bulgarian

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    Distance to: adam
    5.56978456 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
    9.86920463 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    11.15019282 I2495_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    11.50790598 I2499_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    12.35573551 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    14.15913133 I0071_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    15.88881997 I9130_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    16.24245055 I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    16.43875604 I2683_Bronze_Age_Harmanören-Göndürle_Höyük_Isparta_Province
    16.54025393 I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    16.89301039 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    17.61596151 I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    18.08058351 I9131_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    18.57751060 I9005_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    19.14544855 I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    19.30560022 I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    21.71154992 I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
    22.67110496 I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    24.48510976 I9128_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    Great matches, @kingjohn. I do have a question though, not necessarily to you but to all. There is a large differences between the Myceneans themselves right? How can that be explained? Pelasgians and early Greeks?

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    12.94122483 Ashkenazy_Jews
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    25.23310326 North_Italian
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    25.48131668 Moroccan
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    28.72409964 Murcia
    29.87740785 Bulgarian
    29.90239957 Andalucia
    30.10030399 Baleares
    30.22263887 Portuguese
    30.26925007 Bulgarians
    30.68868684 Galicia

    Approximately the same suspects but at greater distances.

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