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    Feldman et al. 2019 - Philistines (Dodecad K7b)

    Ancient DNA sheds light on the genetic origins of early Iron Age Philistines, in combined raw data format, for Dodecad K7b

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    ASH2-3,1.21,46.62,0,0,38.35,13.83,0
    ASH008,0.18,42.51,0,1.54,51.21,3.78,0.78
    ASH029,0.15,33.22,0,1.32,50.32,14.98,0
    ASH033,0.16,40.98,0,0.48,48.03,10.35,0
    ASH034,0.44,40.99,0,1.22,49.91,7.05,0.39
    ASH066,5.15,33.5,0.99,2.59,47.65,10.12,0
    ASH067,0,33.93,0,0.79,44.03,21.25,0
    ASH068_Philistine,0,16.83,0,1.14,41.71,39.5,0.82
    ASH087,1.41,36.28,2.08,1.7,57.25,1.28,0
    ASH135,0,30.62,0,5.42,50.08,13.2,0.69
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    Distance to: adam
    15.12701557 ASH068_Philistine
    15.76275357 ASH067
    24.16135551 ASH029
    25.56163336 ASH135
    26.52904258 ASH2-3
    27.28814395 ASH066
    28.93002592 ASH033
    32.44074598 ASH034
    36.25941809 ASH008
    39.64634662 ASH087
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    known ancestery:
    sefhardi / aschenazi/ mizrahi / bulgarian

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    Jovialis: Great work. Do Feldman et al 2019 provide any discussion as to why ASH068 being closer distance wise to you and a little more so to me then big break till ASH067, 19.97 for me and 23.33 for you. Seems like the 10 samples follow a similar distribution pattern for you and me. Pattern looks similar for KingJohn as well.

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    9.47272400 ASH068_Philistine
    19.97005508 ASH067
    27.53786847 ASH029
    28.59305160 ASH135
    31.13877807 ASH066
    32.28633457 ASH2-3
    33.52379603 ASH033
    36.86681299 ASH034
    40.69748518 ASH008
    43.16942089 ASH087

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Jovialis: Great work. Do Feldman et al 2019 provide any discussion as to why ASH068 being closer distance wise to you and a little more so to me then big break till ASH067, 19.97 for me and 23.33 for you. Seems like the 10 samples follow a similar distribution pattern for you and me. Pattern looks similar for KingJohn as well.

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    9.47272400 ASH068_Philistine
    19.97005508 ASH067
    27.53786847 ASH029
    28.59305160 ASH135
    31.13877807 ASH066
    32.28633457 ASH2-3
    33.52379603 ASH033
    36.86681299 ASH034
    40.69748518 ASH008
    43.16942089 ASH087
    The Philistines were part of the Sea Peoples migration, who in part facilitated the Bronze Age Collapse, and brought upon what was known as the Greek Dark Ages. They were most likely from Crete, as indicated by the Bible (referred to as Caphtor), and verified by ancient DNA, from the Ashkelon cemetery. Which is why ASH068 is similar to the Myceaneans, he was Greek-like. The Philistines invaded the Levant, and mixed with the local population. ASH067 is a mixed individual, between the original Philistines, and the local Levantines. While the others, are similar to the local Levantine population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    The Philistines were part of the Sea Peoples migration, who in part facilitated the Bronze Age Collapse, and brought upon what was known as the Greek Dark Ages. They were most likely from Crete, as indicated by the Bible (referred to as Caphtor), and verified by ancient DNA, from the Ashkelon cemetery. Which is why ASH068 is similar to the Myceaneans, he was Greek-like. The Philistines invaded the Levant, and mixed with the local population. ASH067 is a mixed individual, between the original Philistines, and the local Levantines. While the others, are similar to the local Levantine population.
    Here the PCA illustrates this:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    The Philistines were part of the Sea Peoples migration, who in part facilitated the Bronze Age Collapse, and brought upon what was known as the Greek Dark Ages. They were most likely from Crete, as indicated by the Bible (referred to as Caphtor), and verified by ancient DNA, from the Ashkelon cemetery. Which is why ASH068 is similar to the Myceaneans, he was Greek-like. The Philistines invaded the Levant, and mixed with the local population. ASH067 is a mixed individual, between the original Philistines, and the local Levantines. While the others, are similar to the local Levantine population.
    Ok, well done. So ASH068 is more Mycenaean like which explains the closer distance to both of us. Makes sense given the results from the Lazaridis et al 2017 samples and K7 distances.

    Thanks again with the explanation.

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    Jovialis: Your explanation in post #5 was spot on. I just took the Dodecad 7B coordinates for the Antonio et al 2019 Roman samples, the Lazararidis et al 2017 Ancient Greek samples and the Feldman et al 2019 ancient Philistine samples. I pust ASH068 as the target and BINGO, very close to the Mycenaeans and even closer to ancient Romans. ASH067 distance doesn't show up till 25.13

    Distance to: ASH068_Philistine
    5.29715018 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    5.55584377 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    5.80381771 I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    7.58544659 R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
    8.82954132 R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    8.90178072 R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    9.40553029 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    9.54626105 R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
    9.59756740 R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
    9.73458782 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    9.87794513 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.00432906 R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
    10.07782715 R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    10.10197505 R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
    10.19823514 R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    10.39451779 R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    10.60361731 R18_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
    10.65546808 I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
    10.68852188 R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
    10.80169431 R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    10.80923679 R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
    10.82677237 R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    10.82863796 I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    11.00978656 R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
    11.03971920 R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia

    Target: ASH068_Philistine
    Distance: 0.7413% / 0.74126690 | ADC: 0.25x
    53.6 I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    23.6 I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
    15.0 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    4.0 R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
    2.6 I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
    1.2 TIT015
    Last edited by Palermo Trapani; 13-06-20 at 17:30. Reason: clarification

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    There ought to be more Sea People than just the Cretans.

    if the Sea People were Cretans,
    ASH068 is closer to the Mycenaeans,
    but the Ancient Cretans were genetically Minoans, I think ...

    ... unless the Mycenaeans were already in Crete by that time, ...


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    The Minoan civilization was over by the the time of the Sea People, so was the Mycenean civilization. The sea people are blamed for the downfall of that civilization. Could the Greek tribes coming down from somewhere in the Balkans be the Sea Peoples? Not a disproven theory yet.

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