Feldman et al. 2019 - Philistines (Dodecad K7b)

[Jovialis]

Ancient DNA sheds light on the genetic origins of early Iron Age Philistines, in combined raw data format, for Dodecad K7b

ASH2-3,1.21,46.62,0,0,38.35,13.83,0
ASH008,0.18,42.51,0,1.54,51.21,3.78,0.78
ASH029,0.15,33.22,0,1.32,50.32,14.98,0
ASH033,0.16,40.98,0,0.48,48.03,10.35,0
ASH034,0.44,40.99,0,1.22,49.91,7.05,0.39
ASH066,5.15,33.5,0.99,2.59,47.65,10.12,0
ASH067,0,33.93,0,0.79,44.03,21.25,0
ASH068_Philistine,0,16.83,0,1.14,41.71,39.5,0.82
ASH087,1.41,36.28,2.08,1.7,57.25,1.28,0
ASH135,0,30.62,0,5.42,50.08,13.2,0.69

[kingjohn]

Distance to:	adam
15.12701557	ASH068_Philistine
15.76275357	ASH067
24.16135551	ASH029
25.56163336	ASH135
26.52904258	ASH2-3
27.28814395	ASH066
28.93002592	ASH033
32.44074598	ASH034
36.25941809	ASH008
39.64634662	ASH087

[Palermo Trapani]

Jovialis: Great work. Do Feldman et al 2019 provide any discussion as to why ASH068 being closer distance wise to you and a little more so to me then big break till ASH067, 19.97 for me and 23.33 for you. Seems like the 10 samples follow a similar distribution pattern for you and me. Pattern looks similar for KingJohn as well.

Distance to:	PalermoTrapani
9.47272400	ASH068_Philistine
19.97005508	ASH067
27.53786847	ASH029
28.59305160	ASH135
31.13877807	ASH066
32.28633457	ASH2-3
33.52379603	ASH033
36.86681299	ASH034
40.69748518	ASH008
43.16942089	ASH087

[Jovialis]

Jovialis: Great work. Do Feldman et al 2019 provide any discussion as to why ASH068 being closer distance wise to you and a little more so to me then big break till ASH067, 19.97 for me and 23.33 for you. Seems like the 10 samples follow a similar distribution pattern for you and me. Pattern looks similar for KingJohn as well.

Distance to:	PalermoTrapani
9.47272400	ASH068_Philistine
19.97005508	ASH067
27.53786847	ASH029
28.59305160	ASH135
31.13877807	ASH066
32.28633457	ASH2-3
33.52379603	ASH033
36.86681299	ASH034
40.69748518	ASH008
43.16942089	ASH087

The Philistines were part of the Sea Peoples migration, who in part facilitated the Bronze Age Collapse, and brought upon what was known as the Greek Dark Ages. They were most likely from Crete, as indicated by the Bible (referred to as Caphtor), and verified by ancient DNA, from the Ashkelon cemetery. Which is why ASH068 is similar to the Myceaneans, he was Greek-like. The Philistines invaded the Levant, and mixed with the local population. ASH067 is a mixed individual, between the original Philistines, and the local Levantines. While the others, are similar to the local Levantine population.

[Jovialis]

The Philistines were part of the Sea Peoples migration, who in part facilitated the Bronze Age Collapse, and brought upon what was known as the Greek Dark Ages. They were most likely from Crete, as indicated by the Bible (referred to as Caphtor), and verified by ancient DNA, from the Ashkelon cemetery. Which is why ASH068 is similar to the Myceaneans, he was Greek-like. The Philistines invaded the Levant, and mixed with the local population. ASH067 is a mixed individual, between the original Philistines, and the local Levantines. While the others, are similar to the local Levantine population.

Here the PCA illustrates this:

[Palermo Trapani]

The Philistines were part of the Sea Peoples migration, who in part facilitated the Bronze Age Collapse, and brought upon what was known as the Greek Dark Ages. They were most likely from Crete, as indicated by the Bible (referred to as Caphtor), and verified by ancient DNA, from the Ashkelon cemetery. Which is why ASH068 is similar to the Myceaneans, he was Greek-like. The Philistines invaded the Levant, and mixed with the local population. ASH067 is a mixed individual, between the original Philistines, and the local Levantines. While the others, are similar to the local Levantine population.

Ok, well done. So ASH068 is more Mycenaean like which explains the closer distance to both of us. Makes sense given the results from the Lazaridis et al 2017 samples and K7 distances.

Thanks again with the explanation.

[Palermo Trapani]

Jovialis: Your explanation in post #5 was spot on. I just took the Dodecad 7B coordinates for the Antonio et al 2019 Roman samples, the Lazararidis et al 2017 Ancient Greek samples and the Feldman et al 2019 ancient Philistine samples. I pust ASH068 as the target and BINGO, very close to the Mycenaeans and even closer to ancient Romans. ASH067 distance doesn't show up till 25.13

Distance to:	ASH068_Philistine
5.29715018	I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
5.55584377	I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
5.80381771	I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
7.58544659	R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
8.82954132	R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
8.90178072	R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
9.40553029	I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
9.54626105	R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
9.59756740	R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio
9.73458782	R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
9.87794513	R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
10.00432906	R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
10.07782715	R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
10.10197505	R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia
10.19823514	R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
10.39451779	R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
10.60361731	R18_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
10.65546808	I2937_Greece_Neolithic_Diros_Alepotrypa_Cave
10.68852188	R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto
10.80169431	R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
10.80923679	R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
10.82677237	R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
10.82863796	I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
11.00978656	R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
11.03971920	R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia

Target: ASH068_Philistine Distance: 0.7413% / 0.74126690 | ADC: 0.25x
53.6	I9010_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
23.6	I9033_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Peristeria_Tryfilia_Pel oponnese
15.0	I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
4.0	R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
2.6	I9041_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Galatas_Apatheia_Pelopo nnese
1.2	TIT015

[Salento]

There ought to be more Sea People than just the Cretans.

if the Sea People were Cretans,
ASH068 is closer to the Mycenaeans,
but the Ancient Cretans were genetically Minoans, I think ...

... unless the Mycenaeans were already in Crete by that time, ...

[bigsnake49]

The Minoan civilization was over by the the time of the Sea People, so was the Mycenean civilization. The sea people are blamed for the downfall of that civilization. Could the Greek tribes coming down from somewhere in the Balkans be the Sea Peoples? Not a disproven theory yet.