Eupedia Forums
Site NavigationEupedia Top > Eupedia Forum & Japan Forum
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 42

Thread: Dumb Thread:How much influence is there of ENA on European phenotypes

  1. #1
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points31 days registered

    Join Date
    15-06-20
    Posts
    472
    Points
    1,805
    Level
    11
    Points: 1,805, Level: 11
    Level completed: 85%, Points required for next Level: 45
    Overall activity: 22.0%


    Country: United States



    Dumb Thread:How much influence is there of ENA on European phenotypes



    With all this talk about ENA IN WHG, EHG, ANE, CHG, Iran_Neo and (even Anatolia_N in small amounts) how much contribution is there in phenotype? Would Europeans look any different if there was no ENA? Would Northern phenotypes (both NW and NE derived) like these still exist without ENA? Are these just adaptations to northern climates? Or is there ENA influence? How much?








    Last edited by ratchet_fan; 29-06-20 at 03:18.

  2. #2
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points31 days registered

    Join Date
    15-06-20
    Posts
    472
    Points
    1,805
    Level
    11
    Points: 1,805, Level: 11
    Level completed: 85%, Points required for next Level: 45
    Overall activity: 22.0%


    Country: United States




  3. #3
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points31 days registered

    Join Date
    15-06-20
    Posts
    472
    Points
    1,805
    Level
    11
    Points: 1,805, Level: 11
    Level completed: 85%, Points required for next Level: 45
    Overall activity: 22.0%


    Country: United States



    Are there any studies on this? Do you think Finns, Estonians and NW Russians show ENA influence when compared to Germanic people of Northern Europe? In genes and phenotype (especially on eye and nose areas/nasal bridges)?

  4. #4
    Elite member Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    25-10-11
    Location
    Brittany
    Age
    71
    Posts
    4,634
    Points
    46,809
    Level
    66
    Points: 46,809, Level: 66
    Level completed: 90%, Points required for next Level: 141
    Overall activity: 26.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b - L21/S145*
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H3c

    Ethnic group
    more celtic
    Country: France



    good pics.
    What is YOUR E.N.A.? East North Asians?

  5. #5
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points31 days registered

    Join Date
    15-06-20
    Posts
    472
    Points
    1,805
    Level
    11
    Points: 1,805, Level: 11
    Level completed: 85%, Points required for next Level: 45
    Overall activity: 22.0%


    Country: United States



    1 members found this post helpful.
    ENA just means Eastern Non Africans or East Eurasian (so includes SE Asian populations).

  6. #6
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points31 days registered

    Join Date
    15-06-20
    Posts
    472
    Points
    1,805
    Level
    11
    Points: 1,805, Level: 11
    Level completed: 85%, Points required for next Level: 45
    Overall activity: 22.0%


    Country: United States



    Estonians and Finns. I believe there is actual ENA (above what is there from Anatolia_N, WHG and WSH). Does it show up in phenotype?





















    Also is there a reason blonde hair originated in ANE and not WHG?

  7. #7
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points31 days registered

    Join Date
    15-06-20
    Posts
    472
    Points
    1,805
    Level
    11
    Points: 1,805, Level: 11
    Level completed: 85%, Points required for next Level: 45
    Overall activity: 22.0%


    Country: United States


  8. #8
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Three Friends1 year registered50000 Experience Points
    Awards:
    Most Popular
    Duarte's Avatar
    Join Date
    08-01-19
    Location
    Belo Horizonte
    Posts
    1,530
    Points
    50,252
    Level
    69
    Points: 50,252, Level: 69
    Level completed: 36%, Points required for next Level: 898
    Overall activity: 20.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-DF27-FGC35133

    Ethnic group
    Portuguese-Brazilian
    Country: Brazil



    Hello @ratched_fan and @MOESAN.
    I would like to ask you a question. It is no secret to the people here that I am genetically an Iberian. But you two have more experience in the study of fenotypes, so I ask you: Which part of Europe would I fit in better? Genetically I am know that I am a celtiberian. Phenotypically I look like what kind of ethnicity? Cheers and thanks in advance.




  9. #9
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1 year registered5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    10-05-19
    Posts
    679
    Points
    8,205
    Level
    27
    Points: 8,205, Level: 27
    Level completed: 10%, Points required for next Level: 545
    Overall activity: 0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I2-M223
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H2A3

    Ethnic group
    Italian-Siicly-South
    Country: United States



    Duarte: If you told me you were Irish from County Kerry or Cork (those are 2 countries that are from memory), I would believe you!

  10. #10
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran

    Join Date
    14-06-17
    Posts
    118
    Points
    3,368
    Level
    16
    Points: 3,368, Level: 16
    Level completed: 80%, Points required for next Level: 82
    Overall activity: 47.0%


    Country: United Kingdom



    troll



    .....

  11. #11
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Three Friends1 year registered50000 Experience Points
    Awards:
    Most Popular
    Duarte's Avatar
    Join Date
    08-01-19
    Location
    Belo Horizonte
    Posts
    1,530
    Points
    50,252
    Level
    69
    Points: 50,252, Level: 69
    Level completed: 36%, Points required for next Level: 898
    Overall activity: 20.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-DF27-FGC35133

    Ethnic group
    Portuguese-Brazilian
    Country: Brazil



    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Duarte: If you told me you were Irish from County Kerry or Cork (those are 2 countries that are from memory), I would believe you!
    Lol. Thanks dear friend @PT. But I am not.

  12. #12
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1000 Experience Points31 days registered

    Join Date
    15-06-20
    Posts
    472
    Points
    1,805
    Level
    11
    Points: 1,805, Level: 11
    Level completed: 85%, Points required for next Level: 45
    Overall activity: 22.0%


    Country: United States



    You def have a very Northern phenotype. Very barbarianish.

  13. #13
    Regular Member Achievements:
    1 year registered5000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    10-05-19
    Posts
    679
    Points
    8,205
    Level
    27
    Points: 8,205, Level: 27
    Level completed: 10%, Points required for next Level: 545
    Overall activity: 0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I2-M223
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H2A3

    Ethnic group
    Italian-Siicly-South
    Country: United States



    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Lol. Thanks dear friend @PT. But I am not.
    Oh, I know, you are very clear of your Iberian heritage and proud of it as you should be. I even have some MTA connections to Iberia via my Archaeological top 100 matches, Sample I3980 MTA distance of 16 (Early Medieval) and Sample I3980 (Late Roman Period) Late Roman Period Granada MTA distance of 17. Neither show up in my top 100 Chroma matches though, but still some autosomal connection there!

  14. #14
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Three Friends1 year registered50000 Experience Points
    Awards:
    Most Popular
    Duarte's Avatar
    Join Date
    08-01-19
    Location
    Belo Horizonte
    Posts
    1,530
    Points
    50,252
    Level
    69
    Points: 50,252, Level: 69
    Level completed: 36%, Points required for next Level: 898
    Overall activity: 20.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-DF27-FGC35133

    Ethnic group
    Portuguese-Brazilian
    Country: Brazil



    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Oh, I know, you are very clear of your Iberian heritage and proud of it as you should be. I even have some MTA connections to Iberia via my Archaeological top 100 matches, Sample I3980 MTA distance of 16 (Early Medieval) and Sample I3980 (Late Roman Period) Late Roman Period Granada MTA distance of 17. Neither show up in my top 100 Chroma matches though, but still some autosomal connection there!
    Thank you @ PT. You are always a gentleman. I look like the brother of my father's father (my paternal grandfather) and also I seems with two of my father's brothers (they were nine brothers). As for my mother's family, I don't have much to say, I think, as that almost of them rule clearer than me. My son is much clearer than I am, but he has a northern Italian heritage that I don't have (I don't have a heritage acquired recently from Italian immigrants). My Italic heritage is equivalent to that of any Iberian that overlapping with northern Italia peoples.

  15. #15
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Three Friends1 year registered50000 Experience Points
    Awards:
    Most Popular
    Duarte's Avatar
    Join Date
    08-01-19
    Location
    Belo Horizonte
    Posts
    1,530
    Points
    50,252
    Level
    69
    Points: 50,252, Level: 69
    Level completed: 36%, Points required for next Level: 898
    Overall activity: 20.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-DF27-FGC35133

    Ethnic group
    Portuguese-Brazilian
    Country: Brazil



    Quote Originally Posted by ratchet_fan View Post
    You def have a very Northern phenotype. Very barbarianish.
    Thank you ratchet-fan

  16. #16
    Elite member Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    25-10-11
    Location
    Brittany
    Age
    71
    Posts
    4,634
    Points
    46,809
    Level
    66
    Points: 46,809, Level: 66
    Level completed: 90%, Points required for next Level: 141
    Overall activity: 26.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b - L21/S145*
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H3c

    Ethnic group
    more celtic
    Country: France



    Some of these blond "Lolitas" owe more to chirurgy than to nature concerning their mouths, helas. (I don't like this).
    'nordic' is not barbarian, even not very archaic-HG-like featured (distinguish 'type' and population). And blond hairs in itself is not a proof of "nordicity". When I have time I 'll try to answer to some posts, I'm interested in phénotypes, but so many matters are interesting, my abiity to read quickly every post or survey on every ground is growing bad.

  17. #17
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience PointsThree Friends
    Regio X's Avatar
    Join Date
    12-03-14
    Posts
    934
    Points
    18,653
    Level
    41
    Points: 18,653, Level: 41
    Level completed: 67%, Points required for next Level: 297
    Overall activity: 4.0%


    Country: Italy



    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    Some of these blond "Lolitas" owe more to chirurgy than to nature concerning their mouths, helas. (I don't like this).
    Indeed. Not to mention artifacts/effects of cameras and/or tools akin to Photoshop. This girls looks an example (see her upper lips closer):

    Quote Originally Posted by ratchet_fan View Post

  18. #18
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Three Friends1 year registered50000 Experience Points
    Awards:
    Most Popular
    Duarte's Avatar
    Join Date
    08-01-19
    Location
    Belo Horizonte
    Posts
    1,530
    Points
    50,252
    Level
    69
    Points: 50,252, Level: 69
    Level completed: 36%, Points required for next Level: 898
    Overall activity: 20.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-DF27-FGC35133

    Ethnic group
    Portuguese-Brazilian
    Country: Brazil



    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    Indeed. Not to mention artifacts/effects of cameras and/or tools akin to Photoshop. This girls looks an example (see her upper lips closer):
    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    Some of these blond "Lolitas" owe more to chirurgy than to nature concerning their mouths, helas. (I don't like this).
    'nordic' is not barbarian, even not very archaic-HG-like featured (distinguish 'type' and population). And blond hairs in itself is not a proof of "nordicity". When I have time I 'll try to answer to some posts, I'm interested in phénotypes, but so many matters are interesting, my abiity to read quickly every post or survey on every ground is growing bad.
    @MOESAM and @Regio X: Makeup, camera and photoshop in mostlly Lolitas’ beauty. Artificial.
    This Hercules, for example, seems a athlete who have received a good dose of anabolic steroids. Not handsome also.


  19. #19
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience PointsThree Friends
    Regio X's Avatar
    Join Date
    12-03-14
    Posts
    934
    Points
    18,653
    Level
    41
    Points: 18,653, Level: 41
    Level completed: 67%, Points required for next Level: 297
    Overall activity: 4.0%


    Country: Italy



    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    @MOESAM and @Regio X: Makeup, camera and photoshop in mostlly Lolitas’ beauty. Artificial.
    This Hercules, for example, seems a athlete who have received a good dose of anabolic steroids. Not handsome also.

    Don't know about the one above, but yep, many of these men are full of steroids.

    Apart that, sometimes just the face is "super strong". The body may not follow. One example is the ex-soccer player Romeo Benetti (you can search him on Google).

  20. #20
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience PointsThree Friends
    Regio X's Avatar
    Join Date
    12-03-14
    Posts
    934
    Points
    18,653
    Level
    41
    Points: 18,653, Level: 41
    Level completed: 67%, Points required for next Level: 297
    Overall activity: 4.0%


    Country: Italy



    1 members found this post helpful.
    What about this one? je je je Nikolai Valuev... 2.13m (7 ft 0 in)


  21. #21
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Three Friends1 year registered50000 Experience Points
    Awards:
    Most Popular
    Duarte's Avatar
    Join Date
    08-01-19
    Location
    Belo Horizonte
    Posts
    1,530
    Points
    50,252
    Level
    69
    Points: 50,252, Level: 69
    Level completed: 36%, Points required for next Level: 898
    Overall activity: 20.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-DF27-FGC35133

    Ethnic group
    Portuguese-Brazilian
    Country: Brazil



    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    What about this one? je je je Nikolai Valuev... 2.13m (7 ft 0 in)

    Loaded in WHG, lol

  22. #22
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience PointsThree Friends
    Regio X's Avatar
    Join Date
    12-03-14
    Posts
    934
    Points
    18,653
    Level
    41
    Points: 18,653, Level: 41
    Level completed: 67%, Points required for next Level: 297
    Overall activity: 4.0%


    Country: Italy



    1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Loaded in WHG, lol
    Lol

    In his case, "his own size and appearance are due to gigantism complicated by acromegaly". -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Valuev

  23. #23
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Three Friends1 year registered50000 Experience Points
    Awards:
    Most Popular
    Duarte's Avatar
    Join Date
    08-01-19
    Location
    Belo Horizonte
    Posts
    1,530
    Points
    50,252
    Level
    69
    Points: 50,252, Level: 69
    Level completed: 36%, Points required for next Level: 898
    Overall activity: 20.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-DF27-FGC35133

    Ethnic group
    Portuguese-Brazilian
    Country: Brazil



    Quote Originally Posted by Regio X View Post
    Lol

    In his case, "his own size and appearance are due to gigantism complicated by acromegaly". -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Valuev
    Thank you Regio. I did not know the biography of Nikolai Valuev. Cool. Very interesting.

  24. #24
    Elite member Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    25-10-11
    Location
    Brittany
    Age
    71
    Posts
    4,634
    Points
    46,809
    Level
    66
    Points: 46,809, Level: 66
    Level completed: 90%, Points required for next Level: 141
    Overall activity: 26.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b - L21/S145*
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H3c

    Ethnic group
    more celtic
    Country: France



    Funny how miss Sweden looks more Finnish than miss Finland!

  25. #25
    Elite member Achievements:
    Three FriendsVeteran25000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    25-10-11
    Location
    Brittany
    Age
    71
    Posts
    4,634
    Points
    46,809
    Level
    66
    Points: 46,809, Level: 66
    Level completed: 90%, Points required for next Level: 141
    Overall activity: 26.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b - L21/S145*
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H3c

    Ethnic group
    more celtic
    Country: France



    1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Loaded in WHG, lol
    Regio X made a good answer.
    BTW a lot of WHG were between 1M56 and 1M65 (no more) for stature, and a lot of them had almost vertical forehead or rather, a smoothly rounded forehead receding gradually: this is one of their typeS! others ( a lot in North among PWC and others, in belgium eg), were very very "brutal skulled"): no unity at all.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •