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S2979 Split

there were 3 split lines here and I am now a 4th line at S2979>BY6125>FT191655 any Idea what the 4th Family may have been or people?
 
Thank you Johane! This places are the first known paternal ancestors birthplaces. Most of the donors lived in different parts of Hungary. Thank you for your help again.

Under V13 we known 9:
Z5018 https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaján
CTS9320 https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penészlek
FT106938 (under CTS9320) https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karcag
BY125229 (under S2979) https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarud
BY28624(under Y35953) https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olysó
S10743 (under Y35953) https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szolnocska
Y167028 (CTS9320 - Z17107) https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindszent
BY52491 (under S7461) https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szatmárnémeti
A6295 (under L540) https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bélfenyér

And from my own research (from the YFULL members and samples collected by myself. (these are not in the FTDNA hungarian project):

A19238 (CTS9320-Z17107) https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bárdháza
Y81971(CTS9320-Z17107) https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drágabártfalva
BY4223 (CTS9320) https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besztercebánya
BY4518 (CTS9320) https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laborcradvány
S10743(CTS9320) https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szeged
A7065 (Z5018) https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezőkovácsháza
BY5681 (Z5018) https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedri
BY5650 (Z5018) https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eger
S7461* (under BY3880) https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagykároly

and according this study an archeological sample from the era of the Arpads a BY4992 (under Z5018): https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Székesfehérvár

I'm sorry for the big delay, i've been swamped with work stuff unexpectedly. I've only done a map in the zoomed out version, as it took a bit longer since i didn't know the regions, and with only 8 or 6 samples per Z5018 branch etc, it didn't seem enough data for now to do a map specifically just for z5018 or z5017. As we get more samples I will be up to do it for sure.

From the results you gave me, there isn't much western presence, it all seems to be central and eastern regions. I don't know how representative this is, time will tell.

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Dear hairarmy!

Are your direct paternal line ancestors came from Hungary?
 
Dear Johane! I'm very grateful for your help. Thank you.

Well, yes. At this time these are all the well-known families under V13 from Hungary. I found 47 other V13+ families (with different family name) but these have no breakdown under V13.

Yes, it seems the eastern parts are better represented. The Alföld (Hungarian Plains) and the northeastern mountains. And yes, we need much more datas.
 
I almost forget. The TMRCA of the two Z17107 sample from today Ukraina (my branch, the Küzmös and Szinetar/Senetar families)lived 550 years ago. And their closest direct paternal line relative is an albanian from Tirana since 2300 years ago. But I don't know the family name, all he said was that all his ancestors were albanians from Tirana (YF72389)

https://yfull.com/tree/E-A19247/

This was the date of the great celtic attack against the Balkans from the HUngarian plains. The hungarian samples came from the territory of the anartii tribe, a celtic tribe which was later defeated by the dacians and merged among the dacians until the campeign of Traian.

What do you think?
 
My SNP is E-FTA50192 what is the best method to trace migration is the Rob Spencer SNP tracker on Google a good method? Do I need to submit my SNP to yfull for it to appear?
 
My SNP is E-FTA50192 what is the best method to trace migration is the Rob Spencer SNP tracker on Google a good method? Do I need to submit my SNP to yfull for it to appear?

The SNP tracker is good, but you have to consider its limitations. Its largely based on modern DNA, because the ancient DNA is not that abundant, even more so for E-V13, and there is an obvious sample bias, with some regions and people being severely undertested, while others being "overtested" (British and Jewish in particular) in comparison, which skews many results.
Any new find and sample could change the route and position.
 

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