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I fully agree with you Moesan. But the researchers themselves made it a mess. They stated that Vikings on the whole were more darkish. But in the research self the pigmenatation result of the Viking samples (442) and that of nowadays Danes were not that different. But even a marker like ORC2 was higher among the Vikings, so how on earth could they chatter about darker Vikings? There is only one thing they showed that meanwhile was diminished namely darker hair....
Anyhow I guess partly due to the fact that Vikings were in de past by some (especially those with a deviation in the right arm) promoted as the ultimate Herrenvolk the association blond/ blue eyes is big. I really can't blame a serie like the Vikings, Ragnar and Rollo (two protagonist) seem to be really representative for the paper, Rollo is pretty 'darkish' (I have to watch twice but he has some kind of undefined kind of hazel eyes):
I think this is constant with the result of Günther (2018) about the SHG:
I guess this is pretty constant until now.In which the researchers are right I guess is that the horizon of the Vikings was widening, they became 'global players', more diversified, less exclusive Scandic. May be less so for the Scandic 'hillbilly's' that staid at home
Then a question also for friend Carlos (who happens to be the same kind of eye color as I have about my own pigmentation. Because I'm more 'darkish' than my 'DNA paper trail' says.
Her is what Your DNA portal says.
Ok the hair prediction is pretty well, I have gold blond hair (with very light auburn undertone), very light as a child over the years getting darker, but anyhow your DNA is correct:
So far so good, but now the eyes, agree that these are chestnut eyes?
Your DNA portal:
check frieger
What's going on here my friends....
What's going on here my friends....
I doubt today pigmentation of Scandinavians is the sole heritage of SHG
dark hair with blue eyes marker:
1 Blonde Variant:
Blue/Gray eyes ...
... in my case they are all inaccurate
... many trait results are Educated Guesses ...
No not only a heritage of the SHG, the farmers and the herders must have had effect too....
But what I do think is that nowadays Northern Europeans in are within this range: gray/blue until light brown.
To make it more concrete I have never seen an 'indigenous' (admitted this is arbitrary) Northern European with dark brown eyes, are very seldom, or am I wrong?
I mean within this range nr 22-23-24
http://www.journalofoptometry.org/en-grading-iris-color-with-an-articulo-S1888429608700608#imagen-3
And in this range brown 0.96 >
But please correct me if i'm wrong, If I am in the bubble:grin:
@Duarte, “What is going on here, my friends?” was more aimed at the snp's and the reality, simply said most signs on blue/grey eyes, still chestnut eyes
I don't know if you are actual Celtic or not, I mostly associate Celtic with Irish or Scottish, may be you have a 'general West-European' outlook?
We are far from the thread about Vikings, here.
Interestingly, there is pretty conclusive evidence in the supplementary data that the Lombards were of Scandinavian origin (particularly Swedish and Norwegian). One of the co-authors spoke about it in this video, also debunking and clearing up some of the misunderstandings. I looked at the Excel-sheet posted by Maciamo, and there are some fancy f4-statistics there that I'm not well-versed enough in statistics to interpret, but I do understand they show clear evidence of genetic continuity between Iron Age-Scandinavians and LombardsThe truth was Scandinavian Vikings were usually blond or red-haired but not all. There were exception to the rule.
Here some pics of modern Italians who are native to places in Italy where Germanic tribes settled and established their Kingdom. Hence, these blond Italians have for sure some old Germanic admixture.
Interestingly, there is pretty conclusive evidence in the supplementary data that the Lombards were of Scandinavian origin (particularly Swedish and Norwegian). One of the co-authors spoke about it in this video, also debunking and clearing up some of the misunderstandings. I looked at the Excel-sheet posted by Maciamo, and there are some fancy f4-statistics there that I'm not well-versed enough in statistics to interpret, but I do understand they show clear evidence of genetic continuity between Iron Age-Scandinavians and Lombards
Interestingly, there is pretty conclusive evidence in the supplementary data that the Lombards were of Scandinavian origin (particularly Swedish and Norwegian). One of the co-authors spoke about it in this video, also debunking and clearing up some of the misunderstandings. I looked at the Excel-sheet posted by Maciamo, and there are some fancy f4-statistics there that I'm not well-versed enough in statistics to interpret, but I do understand they show clear evidence of genetic continuity between Iron Age-Scandinavians and Lombards
Interestingly, there is pretty conclusive evidence in the supplementary data that the Lombards were of Scandinavian origin (particularly Swedish and Norwegian). One of the co-authors spoke about it in this video, also debunking and clearing up some of the misunderstandings. I looked at the Excel-sheet posted by Maciamo, and there are some fancy f4-statistics there that I'm not well-versed enough in statistics to interpret, but I do understand they show clear evidence of genetic continuity between Iron Age-Scandinavians and Lombards
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