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Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
Grandfather paternal mtdna ... T1a1e
Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
Wife paternal line ..... R1a-PF6155
"Fear profits man, nothing"
From the supplement:
https://static-content.springer.com/...MOESM1_ESM.pdf
Öland, Sweden
(Prepared by Helene Wilhelmson, Sydsvensk arkeologi AB, Kristianstad, and Department of Archaeology and Ancient History, Lund University)
Many human remains from the late Iron Age (400-1050 CE) have been excavated from burials and other contexts on the island of Öland in the Baltic Sea. Throughout the period the burials are both cremations as well as inhumations. There is considerable variation in inhumation burial form (pit coffin, stone cist, etc.) during the VA76–80. The uncremated human remains from burials (and other contexts) were recently studied using an interdisciplinary bioarchaeological perspective80 integrating new radiocarbon dates for many graves. The individuals studied for aDNA here are the majority of the late Iron Age population discussed in that study.
The most recent dietary isotope analysis of human remains, show a great individual variation in diet5 supporting the archaeozoological finds and point towards a population with highly varied subsistence strategies. First generation migration to Öland was investigated through 87Sr/86Sr and δ18O isotopes and the results were interpreted to show extensive immigration to the island with 68% non-local individuals in the late Iron Age. The immigrants appear to be both regional and interregional. The greater variation in individual diet could not be concluded to correlate to provenance of an individual. The people living in Öland during the late Iron Age have therefore been interpreted as a population of mixed provenance resulting in a creolized society with a combination of non-local and local traditions for burial and subsistence practices80.
The 29 individuals we sampled were included in the study of Wilhelmson80 and consist of all types of burials. They are from 20 sites in Öland, excavated on separate occasions between 1931 and 1975. About half of the individuals (n=15) are dated by 14C and the rest are dated by typology. The burials are inhumations of varied type. They have different orientations (east-west, north-south or southnorth), feature different architecture (lime stone cists, pits, coffins, full boat burial), and include single as well as multiple burials in one grave. Two more skeletons sampled in this study (id 1099, 1052) are from the early Iron Age. The table shown below presents details of the selected individuals.
This ancient sample was added to YFull:
L283: J-Z1043>Z8424>Y36972
Google maps of the Island: https://www.google.com/maps/place/%C...8!4d16.6364773
Location of find:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/38...8!4d16.7268612
This particular sample seems to be classified as "local". Albeit the finds on the island are a mix between local and nonlocal.
The samples from the island are dated (400-1050 CE).
Not too sure about VK346.
“Man cannot live without a permanent trust in something indestructible in himself, and at the same time that indestructible something as well as his trust in it may remain permanently concealed from him.”
― Franz Kafka
So is their "Swedish-like" basically Baltic IE-like in fact? Is that based on IA Swedish samples? I wonder if those were really Germanic Scandinavians, not Baltic people who once lived on the other side of the sea, too, and Germanic tribes were actually and mostly living more to the west at that time (Denmark, Norway, Western Sweden, Northern Germany and Poland).
Fwiw, my grandfather's surname is a Latinized version of a Norman surname, first found in Burgundy. His family was also well-to-do, they had wealth inherited back from generations. I wonder if the "Yamnaya Bulgaria" component could be a proxy for some Scandinavian/French/Norman admixture. It could also help explain why I am pulled "North" and "East" of the Mediterraeanean_C6 sample average. Just a theory.
Barese has old-French and Norman linguistic influences: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bari_dialect
Last edited by Jovialis; 29-09-20 at 19:27.
Much different results when utilizing the samples as individuals. Only 534 and 535 coming out with some North African admixture, but have a larger share of Eastern Mediterranean. 536 comes with Mediterranean, with some Mycenaean. 537 is mostly Mediterranean, with some Eastern Mediterranean. Finally 538 mostly gets Balkan_BA.
Map based on Germanics vs Celtic (Eurogenes)
- above Celtic
- middle Germanic (close to Anglo-Saxons/ Elb-Germans), gross of the Vikings
- beneath Baltic/ NE Europe
- besides Romance/Italic
As known this is build around latest (what's in a name) drift. Regarding Germanics what I can see is that Elb-Germanic (the Bavarian samples) and the Saxon samples are representing the core Germanic space. We as North Dutch are in that space: Chauken/ North Sea amalgam with a little touch Bronze Age population (substrate).
But see Jutland IA, on the border of the Celtic space, Cimbri? How come?
The rest of the Celtic-Viking space is known: the Orkney samples were not Scandic, and Iceland and Faroe contain mixes. All clear.
The 'Baltic' or may be better NE Europe corner is also clear this also showed up in Sigtuna.
What really is interesting is the 'Romance' sphere with Swede Karda VA and some DNK Langeland samples. They seem to have a Italic or even a Greece mixture.
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Foggia VK535 - VK537
Dodecad K12 and K13 coordinates
Code:VK535_Dod_K12,8.59,0.00,5.60,1.09,27.21,14.69,0.00,0.80,12.43,0.00,28.19,1.39 VK537_Dod_K12,5.21,0.93,4.78,0.00,26.19,16.86,0.95,0.70,11.33,0.35,31.41,1.30Code:VK535_Dod_K13,0.00,0.44,2.74,0.00,16.55,1.00,36.68,0.83,0.00,22.13,18.61,0.18,0.84 VK537_Dod_K13,1.13,0.00,2.14,0.00,16.99,0.50,35.10,0.77,0.00,21.45,20.99,0.17,0.76
... Credit to Lukas for the Raw-Data, (...thank me for the coordinates above)
Dod K12:
modern
ancient
Maciano 2way ancient alternative:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...n-populations!
what about our T1a2 branch Viking .....................not very far in Yfull from myself ( and you )
Sample: VK398 / Sweden_Skara 231
Location: Varnhem, Skara, Sweden
Age: Viking 10-12th centuries CE
Y-DNA: T-BY215080
mtDNA: H1b1-T16362C
Salento: Thanks for the coordinates (and provider, Lukas, of the raw data).
Distance to: PalermoTrapani 5.59998214 VK535_Dod_K12 6.31893978 VK537_Dod_K12
Distance to: PalermoTrapani 3.70159425 VK535_Dod_K13 4.63629162 VK537_Dod_K13
in yfull VK398 is
VK398
......900 (1050 750)
.........SWE [SE-O].......... T-Y21210 i
The graves at Varnhem exhibit signs of a socially stratified society. Members of the family that owned the magnate’s farm were buried closest to the church. This is indicated by the presence of limestone coffins. Further away from the church, the dead had been interred in wooden coffins or in simpler graves without a coffin. The social division of the churchyard is also reflected in the state of health that can be observed in the skeletons. There was also a division by gender. Men were buried to the south of the church and women to the north. The dating of the graves is interesting. The burial ground at Varnhem was used continuously for Christian burials from the first half of the 10thcentury CE to the end of the 12thcentury, a period of 250-300 years. Christianity was obviously established in the area by the middle of the 10thcentury CE at the latest71.
not sure if VK398 became a christian , so being one of the first buried there in a christian cemetary
Viking Index 12% compared to 13% Swedish Vikings from the Ancient 2WAY by Maciano:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...nt-populations
Last edited by Salento; 18-03-21 at 04:13.
@Torzio
y T1a2 - VK398 coordinates:
Dodecad K7 w9 K12 K13
MDLP k16
EU K13 K15 K36
Code:VK398_Dod_K7b,0.12,13.33,2.25,1.52,13.17,69.62,0.00 VK398_Dod_W9,0.75,0.00,1.42,68.75,0.43,1.96,13.85,12.84,0.00 VK398_Dod_K12b,8.51,1.82,0.00,0.00,35.33,41.96,0.00,0.00,0.68,0.00,10.07,1.61 VK398_Dod_13,1.67,0.32,1.81,0.00,2.08,0.00,31.67,0.33,0.56,10.18,51.37,0.00,0.00 VK398_MDLP_K16,0.22,0.27,22.43,0.00,0.00,0.00,20.55,0.00,25.21,0.01,29.39,0.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.38 VK398_EU_K13,47.61,23.05,11.16,7.28,4.35,3.52,0.30,0.00,0.84,0.68,0.72,0.00,0.49 VK398_EU_K15,26.70,35.27,12.81,6.71,5.98,6.62,0.54,3.19,0.39,0.00,0.71,0.32,0.47,0.09,0.22 VK398_EU_K36,0.01,0.00,0.00,3.79,0.00,6.69,0.00,0.00,4.72,0.00,5.41,0.00,4.35,8.85,8.71,20.80,0.00,2.35,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.14,3.26,13.81,0.00,0.16,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.26,0.48,2.21,0.00
dod K12 Ancient 2way by Maciano:
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Foggia VK538 coordinates
Dodecad: K12 - K13
EU: K13 - K15 - K36
Code:VK538_Dod_K12b,5.67,0.03,1.37,1.02,31.40,31.69,0.00,0.00,7.51,0.17,19.83,1.30 VK538_Dod_13,0.04,0.38,1.74,0.00,10.52,1.00,34.07,0.00,0.56,12.67,39.01,0.00,0.00 VK538_EU_K13,27.62,21.44,19.02,8.37,16.15,4.96,0.00,0.30,0.91,0.00,0.21,0.68,0.34 VK538_EU_K15,15.17,19.20,13.23,10.28,15.24,6.93,14.03,4.60,0.00,0.08,0.29,0.00,0.09,0.81,0.04 VK538_EU_K36,0.00,1.79,0.53,0.84,0.00,3.26,0.00,0.00,5.81,0.00,10.09,4.99,3.30,4.81,0.88,16.95,0.00,15.52,0.00,8.91,0.49,6.49,1.66,7.03,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.39,0.00,0.00,4.25![]()
fyi I had issues with the new “WGS Extract” app, ... for the VK398 and VK538 bams I used the older version :)
I get two results for VK398 ( previous post ) and below
Target: VK398_Dod_K12b
Distance: 0.7481% / 0.74813794 | ADC: 0.25x RC77.9 English_mixed 13.3 German 4.1 Balkars 2.1 Bulgarians 1.4 Yoruba 1.2 Nganassan
Adygei and Balkars are both in the North-Caucasus area
VK17
ybp 950 - Viking Russia
y-DNA T-Y138678 (T1a)
mtDNA U5a2a1b
coordinates
Dodecad: K7 W9 K12 K13
MDLP k16
EU: K13 K15 K36
Code:VK17_Dod_K7b,0.00,6.60,3.86,1.43,5.59,82.52,0.00 VK17_Dod_W9,0.59,0.00,1.46,81.54,0.03,3.55,8.16,4.67,0.00 VK17_Dod_K12b,2.57,2.93,0.02,0.50,28.20,60.64,0.00,0.12,0.01,0.00,3.78,1.23 VK17_Dod_13,1.94,0.00,0.85,0.81,1.12,0.00,23.14,0.21,1.13,1.24,69.56,0.00,0.00 VK17_MDLP_K16,0.00,0.06,20.77,0.19,1.64,0.00,16.74,0.00,35.60,0.00,23.00,0.00,0.00,0.96,0.00,1.05 VK17_EU_K13,44.12,42.69,5.90,0.11,2.74,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.98,0.00,0.07,0.09,1.28 VK17_EU_K15,39.67,17.44,20.45,17.47,2.27,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.54,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.16 VK17_EU_K36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.44,0.42,4.20,0.00,0.00,2.69,0.00,12.13,0.00,12.56,32.45,9.80,5.29,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,6.43,0.00,13.58,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00![]()
Adding to ... and consolidating the five Foggia VK samples coordinates.
VK534 VK535 VK536 VK537 VK538
Dodecad: K7 K12 K13 - MDLP: K16 - EU: K13 K15 K36
Dod K7:
Code:VK534_Dod_K7b,0.00,26.31,0.02,2.88,34.55,34.96,1.27 VK535_Dod_K7b,0.14,24.22,0,3.01,35.27,36.23,1.13 VK536_Dod_K7b,0.00,21.50,1.47,2.23,33.44,41.36,0.00 VK537_Dod_K7b,0.46,24.08,1.32,2.74,33.51,37.89,0 VK538_Dod_K7b,0,17.17,0.14,1.55,24.19,55.66,1.28
Dod K12:
Code:VK534_Dod_K12b,4.06,0.00,3.55,0.35,22.53,17.31,0.00,0.85,12.20,1.21,36.33,1.61 VK535_Dod_K12b,8.59,0.00,5.60,1.09,27.21,14.69,0.00,0.80,12.43,0.00,28.19,1.39 VK536_Dod_K12b,5.89,1.85,3.79,0.00,32.54,15.84,0.00,0.00,8.95,0.00,29.54,1.61 VK537_Dod_K12b,5.21,0.93,4.78,0.00,26.19,16.86,0.95,0.70,11.33,0.35,31.41,1.30 VK538_Dod_K12b,5.67,0.03,1.37,1.02,31.40,31.69,0.00,0.00,7.51,0.17,19.83,1.30
Dod K13:
MDLP K16:Code:VK534_Dod_13,0.00,0.16,1.83,0.00,16.95,1.75,34.89,0.00,0.05,22.98,20.20,0.00,1.19 VK535_Dod_13,0.00,0.44,2.74,0.00,16.55,1.00,36.68,0.83,0.00,22.13,18.61,0.18,0.84 VK536_Dod_13,1.66,0.00,2.21,0.09,13.14,0.00,40.59,0.34,0.19,19.94,21.65,0.00,0.19 VK537_Dod_13,1.13,0.00,2.14,0.00,16.99,0.50,35.10,0.77,0.00,21.45,20.99,0.17,0.76 VK538_Dod_13,0.04,0.38,1.74,0.00,10.52,1.00,34.07,0.00,0.56,12.67,39.01,0.00,0.00
EU K13:Code:VK534_MDLP_K16,0.22,0.48,12.28,0.00,0.00,0.00,43.56,0.00,9.41,5.30,22.63,2.96,0.00,0.00,0.94,2.22 VK535_MDLP_K16,0.41,0.00,8.64,2.00,0.00,0.00,36.62,0.00,12.60,5.09,26.76,3.47,0.78,0.01,0.37,3.26 VK536_MDLP_K16,0.00,0.31,14.83,0.00,0.96,0.00,34.59,0.00,10.52,4.55,29.85,1.65,0.29,0.25,0.00,2.21 VK537_MDLP_K16,0.00,0.00,10.18,0.00,0.00,0.00,40.88,0.50,10.67,6.58,24.01,4.63,0.00,0.83,0.00,1.73 VK538_MDLP_K16,0.82,0.00,17.01,0.00,0.02,0.00,27.18,0.30,19.15,1.88,31.19,0.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.90
Code:VK534_EU_K13,16.05,9.75,21.87,15.20,28.50,4.62,1.33,1.40,0.00,0.03,0.00,1.27,0.00 VK535_EU_K13,17.07,8.36,24.98,14.34,23.80,5.71,2.03,1.00,0.00,0.00,0.53,1.03,1.15 VK536_EU_K13,25.42,5.92,24.54,13.04,22.96,4.86,0.00,0.00,1.83,0.00,0.00,1.08,0.34 VK537_EU_K13,20.22,7.68,19.16,13.86,29.90,6.73,0.00,0.00,0.70,0.00,0.00,0.11,1.64 VK538_EU_K13,27.62,21.44,19.02,8.37,16.15,4.96,0.00,0.30,0.91,0.00,0.21,0.68,0.34
EU K15:
Code:VK534_EU_K15,13.66,10.13,7.19,0.14,18.17,15.27,27.54,4.26,0.93,1.38,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.32,0.00 VK535_EU_K15,8.96,14.66,6.50,2.48,20.42,12.07,23.94,5.86,2.01,0.65,0.00,0.00,0.38,0.66,1.38 VK536_EU_K15,14.33,19.61,2.08,1.42,19.85,14.67,20.53,4.53,0.00,0.00,1.38,0.00,0.05,1.56,0.00 VK537_EU_K15,13.99,13.83,6.22,0.23,14.68,12.76,29.56,6.57,0.00,0.00,0.67,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.48 VK538_EU_K15,15.17,19.20,13.23,10.28,15.24,6.93,14.03,4.60,0.00,0.08,0.29,0.00,0.09,0.81,0.04
EU K36:
Code:VK534_EU_K36,0.00,4.28,2.85,0.13,0.00,3.44,0.00,0.00,2.58,0.00,2.89,19.54,0.00,4.05,1.51,7.79,0.78,19.46,0.00,10.14,1.62,0.00,1.86,1.61,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,9.03,6.46 VK535_EU_K36,0.00,4.56,7.41,1.06,0.00,2.49,0.00,0.00,7.68,0.00,2.65,7.52,0.00,0.00,1.14,12.70,0.00,20.42,0.00,12.09,3.67,0.00,8.52,0.00,0.32,0.36,0.00,0.21,0.00,0.39,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,6.81 VK536_EU_K36,0.00,0.00,1.34,3.82,0.00,1.41,0.00,0.00,1.33,0.00,0.00,12.19,0.00,0.00,4.77,15.62,0.00,20.84,0.00,12.03,2.04,4.36,3.74,3.90,0.88,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.01,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,5.80,5.93 VK537_EU_K36,0.00,3.74,3.38,0.37,0.00,5.78,0.35,0.00,6.59,0.00,0.00,17.06,0.00,0.00,1.36,12.34,0.00,21.49,0.00,11.29,1.91,1.77,1.52,2.42,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.68,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,5.42,2.51 VK538_EU_K36,0.00,1.79,0.53,0.84,0.00,3.26,0.00,0.00,5.81,0.00,10.09,4.99,3.30,4.81,0.88,16.95,0.00,15.52,0.00,8.91,0.49,6.49,1.66,7.03,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.39,0.00,0.00,4.25
Salento: Nice work in post #72 and thanks. I am going to run them.
Palermo_Trapani vs. Foggia VK Samples".
Distance to: PalermoTrapani_Combined 6.41735927 VK537_EU_K13 7.12113053 VK534_EU_K13 8.94680390 VK535_EU_K13 10.20256830 VK536_EU_K13 23.35537840 VK538_EU_K13
Distance to: PalermoTrapani_Combined 5.96797286 VK535_EU_K15 7.46930385 VK534_EU_K15 8.30998797 VK537_EU_K15 11.13727525 VK536_EU_K15 21.28857205 VK538_EU_K15
Distance to: PalermoTrapani_Combined 3.01807886 VK535_Dod_K7b 4.13581914 VK537_Dod_K7b 4.33989631 VK534_Dod_K7b 6.38683020 VK536_Dod_K7b 23.41389972 VK538_Dod_K7b
Distance to: PalermoTrapani_Combined 5.52786577 VK535_Dod_K12b 5.87170333 VK536_Dod_K12b 6.22550400 VK537_Dod_K12b 10.67837066 VK534_Dod_K12b 22.34514489 VK538_Dod_K12b
Distance to: PalermoTrapani_Combined 3.67483333 VK535_Dod_13 4.48889741 VK537_Dod_13 4.62916839 VK534_Dod_13 6.14185640 VK536_Dod_13 23.04308790 VK538_Dod_13
Last edited by Palermo Trapani; 24-03-21 at 02:42. Reason: clarification
you’re welcome PT :)
... Clash of the Apulians ...
Salento vs Foggia VKs
... though most were imported Apulians, lol
Dod K13
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