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Thread: Abu Bakr as-Siddiq belonged to haplogroup R1b-V1636

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    Abu Bakr as-Siddiq belonged to haplogroup R1b-V1636

    As the title states, Abu Bakr as-Siddiq, one of the closest companions of the prophet (peace be upon him) and one of the earliest Muslims and later on the first caliph of the righteous Rashidun Caliphs, might have belonged to haplogroup R1b-V1636 > BY139812 (M269- L389+). He belonged to the Banu Taym subtribe of Quraysh and they were from the Qurayshis living close to the Kaaba.

    A man descending from one of the most authentic families from Iraq (Baghdad) "claiming" (proven with family tree) direct paternal descend from Abu Bakr as-Siddiq is predicted in the R1b Basal Subclades group to belong to R1b-V1636. From his STR-profile it seems very possible that he would fall under V1636 > BY139812 (TMRCA of 3700ybp, restricted to the Arabian Peninsula and descdendants from there) if he would do deeper testing.

    What furthermore speaks for this family having a solid claim is that during Ottoman times a member of this family was the governor of Baghdad (in the 1600s) for few years according to an Iraqi source. During that time also the mosque below was built which also carries the same family name (which I left out for privacy reasons).

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    Quote Originally Posted by raspberry View Post
    As the title states, Abu Bakr as-Siddiq, one of the closest companions of the prophet (peace be upon him) and one of the earliest Muslims and later on the first caliph of the righteous Rashidun Caliphs, might have belonged to haplogroup R1b-V1636 > BY139812 (M269- L389+). He belonged to the Banu Taym subtribe of Quraysh and they were from the Qurayshis living close to the Kaaba.

    A man descending from one of the most authentic families from Iraq (Baghdad) "claiming" (proven with family tree) direct paternal descend from Abu Bakr as-Siddiq is predicted in the R1b Basal Subclades group to belong to R1b-V1636. From his STR-profile it seems very possible that he would fall under V1636 > BY139812 (TMRCA of 3700ybp, restricted to the Arabian Peninsula and descdendants from there) if he would do deeper testing.

    What furthermore speaks for this family having a solid claim is that during Ottoman times a member of this family was the governor of Baghdad (in the 1600s) for few years according to an Iraqi source. During that time also the mosque below was built which also carries the same family name (which I left out for privacy reasons).
    SAW and Abu Bakr as-Siddiq descent from common paternal ancestor? Murrah ibn Ka'b


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    Yes, Murrah ibn Ka'b is their common ancestor on trail. Murrah ibn Ka'b, however, is so distant on the paternal that a ratification through haplogroups is dubious. For example: the key holders of the Kaabah until today (right given to them by the prophet personally) belong to a specific haplogroup of R1a and this line of of Banu Shaybah on paper trail also shares a common ancestor with the prophet and even more closer to Banu Ummayah. Still their line is authentic, despite that the prophet belonged to a specific line of J1e (see here: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/j-1el-147/about/background (the descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib (who was grandson of the same grandfather Abd al Muttalib/ the prophet himself had no sons passing young age and thus no direct paternal descendants) of many branches seem to come down to J-FGC10500)).

    In the case of Abu Bakr (radi Allahu anhu) and our prophet Muhammad (sallahu alayhi wa sallama) it is same. Their paternal line is very distant, even on paper trail. So that the haplogroup is not same does not falsify the claim of this family which is one of only 12 families descending from Abu Bakr as Siddiq in Iraq. Contrary, that they belong to a specific line from the Arabian Peninsula of R1b-V1636 is in my book rather strengthening the case. If the other 11 families (or just some) would also test, this could be cleared. I will not mention which family on the list below is V1636. But is one of the top 2 families on this list (considering what I said on city origins of this family you could find it out).



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