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    my German Ashkenazi results K13

    West Asian seems little low do you think East and West Med could have gobbled it up? I know I seem quite Southern or MENA shifted but all my known Ancestors are from Western Germany and Northeast France and are only Ashkenazi. On the Jtest I am 38.83% Ashkenazi which is higher then most of us. and Ancestry DNA has me at 100% European Jewish.



    1 East_Med 43.45
    2 West_Med 19.36
    3 North_Atlantic 14.91
    4 West_Asian 9.83
    5 Red_Sea 6.16
    6 Baltic 3.68
    7 Northeast_African 0.98
    8 Oceanian 0.67
    9 East_Asian 0.49
    10 Sub-Saharan 0.46

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian_Jewish 4.98
    2 Sephardic_Jewish 7.07
    3 Algerian_Jewish 7.17
    4 Tunisian_Jewish 7.33
    5 Libyan_Jewish 8.74
    6 Ashkenazi 9.67
    7 South_Italian 11.71
    8 Cyprian 12.46
    9 East_Sicilian 13.18
    10 West_Sicilian 14.58
    11 Central_Greek 14.65
    12 Samaritan 16.12
    13 Lebanese_Druze 16.37
    14 Italian_Abruzzo 16.43
    15 Lebanese_Muslim 16.57
    16 Lebanese_Christian 17.12
    17 Palestinian 17.47
    18 Syrian 18.13
    19 Jordanian 18.72
    20 Greek_Thessaly 19.73

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 85.7% Italian_Jewish + 14.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.22
    2 93.5% Italian_Jewish + 6.5% Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.54
    3 89.6% Italian_Jewish + 10.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.59
    4 90.8% Italian_Jewish + 9.2% Samaritan @ 4.72
    5 92.6% Italian_Jewish + 7.4% Palestinian @ 4.79
    6 96.5% Italian_Jewish + 3.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.9
    7 93.3% Italian_Jewish + 6.7% Cyprian @ 4.91
    8 97.1% Italian_Jewish + 2.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.93
    9 96.3% Italian_Jewish + 3.7% Jordanian @ 4.93
    10 97.9% Italian_Jewish + 2.1% Saudi @ 4.93
    11 89.8% Italian_Jewish + 10.2% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.94
    12 97.2% Italian_Jewish + 2.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.95
    13 98.1% Italian_Jewish + 1.9% Egyptian @ 4.96
    14 98.5% Italian_Jewish + 1.5% Assyrian @ 4.96
    15 99.4% Italian_Jewish + 0.6% Bedouin @ 4.97
    16 100% Italian_Jewish + 0% Syrian @ 4.98
    17 100% Italian_Jewish + 0% Abhkasian @ 4.98
    18 100% Italian_Jewish + 0% Adygei @ 4.98
    19 100% Italian_Jewish + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.98
    20 100% Italian_Jewish + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 4.98

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    These are your results using Vahaduo Eurogenes K13 updated spreadsheet.
    The mixed mode shows you as a Italian Jew like.

    Distance to: HAYZOO
    5.61742824 Italian_Jewish
    7.95547610 Tunisian_Jewish
    8.02684247 Algerian_Jewish
    8.04272342 Sephardic_Jewish
    8.69855735 Moroccan_Jew
    9.32530965 Libyan_Jewish
    11.05149311 Ashkenazi
    11.41634793 Greek_Symi_Island
    12.08261975 Calabria
    13.18673197 Malta
    13.58222000 Greek_Dodecanese
    13.99604230 Greek_North_Aegean
    14.38148810 Cyprian
    14.38148810 Greek_Cypriot
    14.46999309 Turk_Cypriot
    14.61971272 Greek_Crete
    14.70496175 Campania
    15.23594762 East_Sicilian
    15.28728230 Greek_Chios
    15.34273444 Sicily
    16.31212739 Molise
    16.31269138 Apulia
    16.79124474 Abruzzo
    16.85232328 West_Sicilian
    16.92257664 Greek_Ionia

    Last edited by Duarte; 30-09-20 at 18:33.

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    So it looks like I might be even more MENA shifted then the average Italian Jew which is very surprising I would have guessed less. However I seem to be less MENA shifted then the average Sephardic Jew on Dodecad K12b it suggests I would be closest to a Sephardi with about 4% to 5.2% East Euro Admixture. I personally like these models below as they seem accurate. It seems most Ashkenazi Jews have a close genetic profile to Sephardics with an addition of about 3-15% more North/Central/Eastern European admixture I seem to be at the lower end of that range around 4-5%

    1 95.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 4.3% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 1.72
    2 95.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 4.1% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 1.73
    3 95.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 4.7% Belorussian (Behar) @ 1.73
    4 94.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 5.2% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.73
    5 95.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 4.7% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.76
    6 95.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 4.9% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 1.77
    7 95% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 5% Polish (Dodecad) @ 1.8
    8 95.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 4.7% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.81
    9 96% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 4% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 1.82
    10 96% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 4% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.86
    11 95.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 4.6% Russian (HGDP) @ 1.88

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    "West Asian" is more like Anatolia and the Armenian Highlands; a person of Levantine origin like a Jew or say a Lebanese Arab, would have less of that than East Med, which would be their primary component.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAYZOO View Post
    West Asian seems little low do you think East and West Med could have gobbled it up? I know I seem quite Southern or MENA shifted but all my known Ancestors are from Western Germany and Northeast France and are only Ashkenazi. On the Jtest I am 38.83% Ashkenazi which is higher then most of us. and Ancestry DNA has me at 100% European Jewish.
    What do you get in Harappa World?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    What do you get in Harappa World?
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 34.33
    2 Mediterranean 25.02
    3 SW-Asian 19
    4 NE-Euro 11.69
    5 Baloch 6.9
    6 E-African 1.53
    7 Papuan 0.94
    8 NE-Asian 0.52
    9 Pygmy 0.07

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 sephardic-jew (behar) 3.31
    2 morocco-jew (behar) 4.64
    3 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 5.49
    4 ashkenazi (harappa) 8.9
    5 cypriot (behar) 15.25
    6 lebanese (behar) 16.29
    7 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 17.03
    8 tuscan (1000genomes) 17.38
    9 tuscan (hgdp) 17.97
    10 tuscan (hapmap) 18.56
    11 jordanian (behar) 18.85
    12 syrian (behar) 18.98
    13 palestinian (harappa) 19.4
    14 lebanese-muslim (haber) 19.58
    15 palestinian (hgdp) 20.16
    16 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 20.42
    17 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 21.08
    18 lebanese-christian (haber) 21.57
    19 iraqi-arab (harappa) 21.83
    20 egypt (henn2012) 21.87

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 96.5% sephardic-jew (behar) + 3.5% finnish (1000genomes) @ 1.95
    2 96% sephardic-jew (behar) + 4% lithuanian (behar) @ 1.98
    3 95.7% sephardic-jew (behar) + 4.3% russian (hgdp) @ 2.05
    4 95.6% sephardic-jew (behar) + 4.4% belorussian (behar) @ 2.05
    5 95.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 4.9% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 2.08
    6 95.5% sephardic-jew (behar) + 4.5% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 2.1
    7 95.6% sephardic-jew (behar) + 4.4% russian (behar) @ 2.14
    8 94.4% sephardic-jew (behar) + 5.6% slovenian (xing) @ 2.14
    9 95% sephardic-jew (behar) + 5% n-european (xing) @ 2.16
    10 95.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 4.9% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 2.16
    11 94.3% sephardic-jew (behar) + 5.7% hungarian (behar) @ 2.16
    12 95.4% sephardic-jew (behar) + 4.6% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.17
    13 95.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 4.9% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.21
    14 95.2% sephardic-jew (behar) + 4.8% british (1000genomes) @ 2.21
    15 55.2% morocco-jew (behar) + 44.8% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 2.26
    16 95.6% sephardic-jew (behar) + 4.4% chuvash (behar) @ 2.31
    17 94.6% sephardic-jew (behar) + 5.4% french (hgdp) @ 2.37
    18 92.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 7.9% romanian-a (behar) @ 2.39
    19 92.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 7.9% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 2.46
    20 69.3% sephardic-jew (behar) + 30.7% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 2.49
    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 sephardic-jew_behar @ 3.590503
    2 morocco-jew_behar @ 4.978616
    3 ashkenazy-jew_behar @ 5.947992
    4 ashkenazi_harappa @ 9.710371
    5 cypriot_behar @ 16.965946
    6 lebanese_behar @ 17.674091
    7 turk-aydin_hodoglugil @ 18.254101
    8 tuscan_1000genomes @ 18.929239
    9 tuscan_hgdp @ 19.576252
    10 tuscan_hapmap @ 20.212818
    11 jordanian_behar @ 20.336794
    12 syrian_behar @ 20.523235
    13 palestinian_harappa @ 21.003513
    14 lebanese-muslim_haber @ 21.326862
    15 palestinian_hgdp @ 21.758886
    16 turk-kayseri_hodoglugil @ 22.190931
    17 turk-istanbul_hodoglugil @ 22.879721
    18 egypt_henn2012 @ 23.451275
    19 iraqi-arab_harappa @ 23.645813
    20 lebanese-christian_haber @ 23.681116

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% ashkenazy-jew_behar +50% morocco-jew_behar @ 2.385954


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% morocco-jew_behar +25% syrian_behar +25% tuscan_1000genomes @ 2.243322


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    1 georgian_harappa + sardinian_hgdp + saudi_behar + tuscan_hapmap @ 1.683474
    2 cypriot_behar + palestinian_hgdp + sephardic-jew_behar + spaniard_behar @ 1.718558
    3 georgian_harappa + sardinian_hgdp + saudi_behar + tuscan_hgdp @ 1.741500
    4 bedouin_hgdp + georgian_harappa + sardinian_hgdp + tuscan_1000genomes @ 1.761135
    5 cypriot_behar + palestinian_hgdp + sephardic-jew_behar + spaniard_1000genomes @ 1.783774
    6 armenian_yunusbayev + romanian-a_behar + sardinian_hgdp + yemen-jew_behar @ 1.787393
    7 italian_hgdp + palestinian_hgdp + sephardic-jew_behar + sephardic-jew_behar @ 1.795926
    8 georgian_harappa + sardinian_hgdp + saudi_behar + tuscan_1000genomes @ 1.821037
    9 lebanese_behar + samaritian_behar + sephardic-jew_behar + spaniard_behar @ 1.826842
    10 bedouin_hgdp + georgian_harappa + sardinian_hgdp + tuscan_hgdp @ 1.850118
    11 assyrian_harappa + bulgarian_yunusbayev + sardinian_hgdp + yemen-jew_behar @ 1.867005
    12 morocco-jew_behar + palestinian_hgdp + sephardic-jew_behar + tuscan_hapmap @ 1.910509
    13 abhkasian_yunusbayev + bedouin_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp + tuscan_1000genomes @ 1.911091
    14 lebanese_behar + samaritian_behar + sephardic-jew_behar + spaniard_1000genomes @ 1.916862
    15 jordanian_behar + morocco-jew_behar + sephardic-jew_behar + tuscan_hapmap @ 1.918590
    16 abhkasian_yunusbayev + bedouin_hgdp + sardinian_hgdp + tuscan_hgdp @ 1.941729
    17 jordanian_behar + morocco-jew_behar + sephardic-jew_behar + tuscan_hgdp @ 1.942047
    18 morocco-jew_behar + palestinian_hgdp + sephardic-jew_behar + tuscan_hgdp @ 1.951995
    19 bedouin_hgdp + georgian_harappa + sardinian_hgdp + tuscan_hapmap @ 1.958988
    20 cypriot_behar + morocco-jew_behar + samaritian_behar + spaniard_behar @ 1.960613

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    I seem more shifted to various places then the average Ashkenazi Jew I seem to be more West Med (Sardinian/Iberian/Neolithic South Euro)
    I also seem to be more shifted in the direction of a Greater Yemen cluster or maybe a North African-Arabian cluster (Saudi, Yemeni, Bedouin, Egyptian, Natufian)

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    1 georgian_harappa + sardinian_hgdp + saudi_behar + tuscan_hapmap @ 1.683474


    My shortest distance in Harappa world with 4 is this::

    1 french_hgdp + italian_hgdp + spaniard_1000genomes + spaniard_1000genomes @ 1.584900

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAYZOO View Post
    West Asian seems little low do you think East and West Med could have gobbled it up? I know I seem quite Southern or MENA shifted but all my known Ancestors are from Western Germany and Northeast France and are only Ashkenazi. On the Jtest I am 38.83% Ashkenazi which is higher then most of us. and Ancestry DNA has me at 100% European Jewish.
    1 East_Med 43.45
    2 West_Med 19.36
    3 North_Atlantic 14.91
    4 West_Asian 9.83
    5 Red_Sea 6.16
    6 Baltic 3.68
    7 Northeast_African 0.98
    8 Oceanian 0.67
    9 East_Asian 0.49
    10 Sub-Saharan 0.46
    Single Population Sharing:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian_Jewish 4.98
    2 Sephardic_Jewish 7.07
    3 Algerian_Jewish 7.17
    4 Tunisian_Jewish 7.33
    5 Libyan_Jewish 8.74
    6 Ashkenazi 9.67
    7 South_Italian 11.71
    8 Cyprian 12.46
    9 East_Sicilian 13.18
    10 West_Sicilian 14.58
    11 Central_Greek 14.65
    12 Samaritan 16.12
    13 Lebanese_Druze 16.37
    14 Italian_Abruzzo 16.43
    15 Lebanese_Muslim 16.57
    16 Lebanese_Christian 17.12
    17 Palestinian 17.47
    18 Syrian 18.13
    19 Jordanian 18.72
    20 Greek_Thessaly 19.73
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 85.7% Italian_Jewish + 14.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.22
    2 93.5% Italian_Jewish + 6.5% Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.54
    3 89.6% Italian_Jewish + 10.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.59
    4 90.8% Italian_Jewish + 9.2% Samaritan @ 4.72
    5 92.6% Italian_Jewish + 7.4% Palestinian @ 4.79
    6 96.5% Italian_Jewish + 3.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.9
    7 93.3% Italian_Jewish + 6.7% Cyprian @ 4.91
    8 97.1% Italian_Jewish + 2.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.93
    9 96.3% Italian_Jewish + 3.7% Jordanian @ 4.93
    10 97.9% Italian_Jewish + 2.1% Saudi @ 4.93
    11 89.8% Italian_Jewish + 10.2% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.94
    12 97.2% Italian_Jewish + 2.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.95
    13 98.1% Italian_Jewish + 1.9% Egyptian @ 4.96
    14 98.5% Italian_Jewish + 1.5% Assyrian @ 4.96
    15 99.4% Italian_Jewish + 0.6% Bedouin @ 4.97
    16 100% Italian_Jewish + 0% Syrian @ 4.98
    17 100% Italian_Jewish + 0% Abhkasian @ 4.98
    18 100% Italian_Jewish + 0% Adygei @ 4.98
    19 100% Italian_Jewish + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.98
    20 100% Italian_Jewish + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 4.98
    Yes i do see the tendency to west -med
    You score higher values in k13 than full eastern asckenazi results i saw....
    On the other end eastern asckenazi score higher
    Baltic than you....
    Which is logical that when some jews left the german rhine and moved to poland /ukraine
    They aquired some baltic there...
    I think your results reflect the pure aschenazi communities of the german rhine ....
    Thanks for sharing
    Regards
    Adam
    Last edited by kingjohn; 01-10-20 at 18:42.
    known ancestery:
    Sefhardi/ aschenazi/ mizrahi/ bulgarian
    Eurogenes k13 updated closest:
    4.70345618 Greek_Andros_Island

    eurogenes k13 ancient closeset:
    4.86806943 R136_Lazio_Rome_italy_Late_Antiquity
    http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/h3aa-av_genbank_sequences.htm

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