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    SSA ancestry in modern-day North Africans

    It's said that North Africans are distinct from Sub-Saharan populations (SSA), and are closer to West Asian and European populations than to Sub-Saharan populations. Modern North Africans over the centuries have mixed with these Sub-Saharan populations though. I wondered how much SSA (Sub-Saharan DNA) ancestry modern North Africans have. I made some models based on academic samples: SSA ancestry in modern-day North Africans ranges from 15% to 36%, the average is 19.5%. I think that genetic studies underestimate SSA in modern North Africans.

    What do you think? What do the genetic studies support?


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    It would be interesting to see the results for Kabyles (N-Coast Algeria Berbers), Chaoui (Aures Mountains Berbers) and Rif Maroccans (Berbers), surely a bit different compared to nomadic Berbers of Oasis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    It would be interesting to see the results for Kabyles (N-Coast Algeria Berbers), Chaoui (Aures Mountains Berbers) and Rif Maroccans (Berbers), surely a bit different compared to nomadic Berbers of Oasis?
    Most of this SSA seems to have entered North Africa within the last 2-1000 years, mostly with the Arab slave trade. My hunch is that mountain dwellers like the Chaoui and Rif people, who are more isolated and could probably not afford slaves, have less. I don't know about Kabyles, but I would guess on the low end.

    It's certainly possible to have origins there and only have the faintest trace of SSA. Look at the North African Jews.





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    @Angela
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    It would be interesting to see the results for Kabyles (N-Coast Algeria Berbers), Chaoui (Aures Mountains Berbers) and Rif Maroccans (Berbers), surely a bit different compared to nomadic Berbers of Oasis?
    Those results already include some Berber tribes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alais View Post
    Those results already include some Berber tribes.
    True.
    But Berbers are numerous, and their big "hat" covers large regions, someones very southern, someones in between, someones mountanous or maritime in North; the southern nomadic tribes would be very more mixed and even then, some time ago, the "chiefs" lineages were "whiter" than the common ones. Todate I don't know.
    Rifians, eg, for I think, could be very under this SSA average of North Africa. I have no mean to know, bit I would be iterested knowing it.

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    ^^Exactly. Where the heck do people get this idea that all the "Berber tribes" have the same admixture and therefore the same looks? Some admixed more with arriving Arabian tribes (those more to the east) and with SSA people than others. Usually the more isolated the less admixing. I believe southern Moroccans have the most SSA.

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