Dodecad Globe 13 Ancient & Modern

**Jovialis** · 26-12-20, 21:07

@lacreme, they are very Greek :)

Plotting in the range of modern Cretans, and some Coriell. The Dodecad G13 sample labeled "Greek" looks be be more representative of Thessaloniki.

**Jovialis** · 26-12-20, 21:16

Here is another angle:

**Angela** · 26-12-20, 22:11

Indeed, that was always the problem with that sample; all the samples were taken from Thessaloniki. There wasn't even one from the Peloponnese, for example.

We've been saying here for years that it was misleading, but the usual suspects just wouldn't accept it.

**lacreme** · 27-12-20, 10:36

Thank you Jovialis !
I wonder if the Greek average on global K13 is ported over from eurogenes K13 because the Greek average on it has the same attributes... It clusters with northern/northwestern Greeks and Albanians...

**Angela** · 27-12-20, 16:08

To my knowledge, Dodecad used what was the only academic sample available at the time, which was indeed Thessaloniki. It also used the data of its own volunteers, which means it's the luck of the draw.

We now have lots of samples from the Peloponnese, for example, so we know more about the differences among Greeks.

**Duarte** · 27-12-20, 17:17

Once again, thank you Jovialis

Distance to:	Duarte
5.65621782	I12514:Olalde_et_al_2019
6.13415031	I10895:Olalde_et_al_2019
6.24398110	I10866:Olalde_et_al_2019
6.26891538	I10853:Olalde_et_al_2019
6.39570168	I10892:Olalde_et_al_2019
6.55540235	I1313:Olalde_et_al_2019
6.74273683	R110:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
6.89459208	I12516:Olalde_et_al_2019
6.91129510	R109:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
6.92582125	I10852:Olalde_et_al_2019
6.93939479	I3584:Olalde_et_al_2019
6.94108061	I6490:Olalde_et_al_2019
7.29715013	por003:C_Valdiosera_et_al._2018
7.49508506	I3585:Olalde_et_al_2019
7.59223946	ERS88:S_Brunel_et_al._2020
7.61400683	R1289:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
7.67329786	R474:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
7.71966321	R63:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
7.71978627	I4890:Olalde_et_al._2018
7.78762480	I7673:Olalde_et_al_2019
7.79531911	I5524:Olalde_et_al._2018
7.85466740	I7675:Olalde_et_al_2019
7.96866363	R61:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
7.99977500	R473:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
8.00427386	I12649:Olalde_et_al_2019

Distance: 5.0823% / 5.08226885 Target: Duarte \| ADC: 2x RC
59.4	I12514

40.6	I10866

Distance: 3.5164% / 3.51641624 Target: Duarte \| ADC: 1x RC
47.6	I10866

35.0	I12516

17.4	I3584

Distance: 0.6741% / 0.67414613 Target: Duarte \| ADC: 0.5x RC
43.2	I10866

24.5	I12648

11.9	I12516

8.0	I7427

6.1	I3574

5.6	I3584

0.7	I5019

Distance: 0.6135% / 0.61352036 Target: Duarte \| ADC: 0.25x RC
37.7	I10866

21.4	I12648

13.6	I12516

10.8	I3584

8.9	I7427

7.6	R474

**Palermo Trapani** · 28-12-20, 18:26

Originally Posted by Jovialis

FYI,

You can obtain your coordinates for Dodecad Globe 13 from Admixture Studio. The calculator is not on GEDmatch or GEDmatch Genesis.

Jovialis: I bought Admixture Studio (go my unlock key) to run the various calculators they have with all the nice graphs. It seems when I rean Dodecad 13 I counted 14 population parameters, is that correct. Also, it will only let me upload my NAT GENO data which is in an excel spreadsheet format. I can't upload my Ancestry data.

I am sure it is a user error on my part, any suggestions.

Thanks, PT

Edit to my own post, there is a Ratio % that is included so that is what I think is the 14th population parameter I was seeing. So that is not included in the 13 needed to run the data you put together for us. I do believe.

**Palermo Trapani** · 28-12-20, 18:49

Jovialis: Great work again, My single Distances < 10. Using my NAT GENO results for the first time. Admixture studio can estimate mine which is in Excel format (GEDMATCH can't).

Distance to:	PalermtoTrapani
2.48963853	R131:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
2.68665219	R52:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
2.94604820	R59:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
3.19770230	R1290:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
3.38724076	R107:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
3.43426848	R118:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
3.71361010	R35:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
4.26532531	R56:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
4.34299436	R835:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
4.41466873	R58:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
4.48778342	R57:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
4.52332842	R32:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
4.54358889	R122:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
4.55346022	R437:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
4.75725761	R49:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
4.77737376	R121:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
5.36972066	R113:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
5.52247227	R969:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
5.56908431	R117:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
5.85054698	R836:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
5.87575527	R54:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
5.95906033	R65:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
6.02678189	R64:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
6.11297800	R973:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
6.11895416	R47:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
6.37150689	R970:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
6.41153648	I5769:Mathieson_et_al_2018
6.55257201	R53:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
6.67950597	R436:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
6.74675478	R1283:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
6.84621063	R60:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
6.90500543	R136:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
7.24789625	R1544:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
7.31606452	R120:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
7.34731243	AEHIb:KR_Veeramah_et_al._2018
7.50513158	R1287:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
7.67421006	R36:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
7.90699690	R1549:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
8.12731198	R111:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
8.22581303	I9041:Lazaridis_et_al_2017
8.27299220	R1285:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
8.60758387	I7424:Olalde_et_al_2019
8.61393638	I7500:Olalde_et_al_2019
8.76133551	I12220:Fernandes_et_al_2020
8.93598903	R125:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
8.99274708	I4054:Olalde_et_al_2019
9.07576443	R137:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
9.21547611	I9123:Lazaridis_et_al_2017
9.49070598	STR300b:KR_Veeramah_et_al._2018
9.58797685	R114:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
9.69865455	I8215:Olalde_et_al_2019
9.84960913	R51:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
9.85140599	R50:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
9.86559679	scy192:Krzewińska_et_al_2018
9.92107353	I3980:Olalde_et_al_2019
10.15281242	R30:Antonio_M_et_al_2019

Distance: 0.6716% / 0.67157361 Target: PalermtoTrapani \| ADC: 0.25x RC
37.6	R35:Antonio_M_et_al_2019

34.0	R107:Antonio_M_et_al_2019

16.4	I5769:Mathieson_et_al_2018

9.3	R1290:Antonio_M_et_al_2019

2.7	R437:Antonio_M_et_al_2019

**Jovialis** · 29-12-20, 17:26

Here are my samples under 10 distance:

Distance to:	Jovialis
1.88239210	R835:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
2.88196114	R970:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
3.02274709	R118:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
3.05267096	R57:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
3.10765185	R836:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
3.30939572	R969:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
3.65935787	R52:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
3.66102445	R1290:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
3.77499669	R59:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
3.98521016	R121:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
4.15472021	R49:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
4.30909503	R131:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
4.46497480	R60:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
4.57942136	R973:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
4.81608762	R64:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
4.86479188	R122:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
4.86578873	R54:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
4.90411052	R58:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
5.09959802	R32:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
5.60483720	R1549:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
5.67245097	R36:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
5.67554403	R56:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
5.70279756	R117:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
5.70356029	R107:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
5.96098146	R1283:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
6.04976033	R65:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
6.14089570	R47:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
6.29422751	R113:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
6.35473839	R35:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
6.38938182	R436:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
6.76984490	AEHIb:KR_Veeramah_et_al._2018
6.86272541	R437:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
7.06922910	R1544:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
7.09746434	R53:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
7.30831034	R111:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
7.35253018	R136:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
7.39555272	R1287:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
7.64414809	scy192:Krzewińska_et_al_2018
8.27882842	scy300:Krzewińska_et_al_2018
8.34441130	I5769:Mathieson_et_al_2018
8.35642268	R1285:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
8.67566712	R120:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
8.92494818	I5015:Olalde_et_al._2018
9.50521436	R125:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
9.54922510	STR502b:KR_Veeramah_et_al._2018
9.63221158	I4054:Olalde_et_al_2019
9.85668808	R137:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
9.93756006	I7424:Olalde_et_al_2019
9.98868860	R114:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
10.22774169	I12221:Fernandes_et_al_2020

**Salento** · 29-12-20, 22:51

... under 10 distance

... Post #14 download, Ancient West Eurasia / Individual Sample Arrangement

... Credit to Jovialis :)

**Palermo Trapani** · 29-12-20, 23:12

Salento: Good list with Dodecad Global 13. Lots of overlap again among you, Jovialis and myself. Out of 4,000 samples that Jovialis put together (great work again!), I changed the gradiant to make it easier to read all of those samples so that is why all mine < 10 are in green.

I assume you got your Global 13 coordinates from Admixture studio. I went ahead and got the Pro Unlock. Some neat calculators there and as I noted in my post above, their programs read my NAT GENO data, which is in excel format with no problem.

**Salento** · 30-12-20, 02:47

Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani

Salento: Good list with Dodecad Global 13. Lots of overlap again among you, Jovialis and myself. Out of 4,000 samples that Jovialis put together (great work again!), I changed the gradiant to make it easier to read all of those samples so that is why all mine < 10 are in green.

I assume you got your Global 13 coordinates from Admixture studio. I went ahead and got the Pro Unlock. Some neat calculators there and as I noted in my post above, their programs read my NAT GENO data, which is in excel format with no problem.

I ran the free version, ... I’m El Cheapo :)

... you mentioned NatGeo,

... up to 10 dist., NatGeo dod K13:
(NG top sample is R835, vs R58 with Combined raw-data),
... but R58 tops the Single ran

**Carlos** · 26-02-21, 16:42

Target: Father Distance: 22.2122% / 22.21224537 \| R7P
58.1	Arban_1_~2000_years_

39.9	I3810

2.0	GD39_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic_

Target: Carlos Distance: 21.4416% / 21.44159719 \| R7P
60.0	Arban_1_~2000_years_

38.1	I3810

1.9	GD39_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic_

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