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Thread: Dodecad Globe 13 Ancient & Modern

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    @lacreme, they are very Greek :)

    Plotting in the range of modern Cretans, and some Coriell. The Dodecad G13 sample labeled "Greek" looks be be more representative of Thessaloniki.




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    Here is another angle:


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    Indeed, that was always the problem with that sample; all the samples were taken from Thessaloniki. There wasn't even one from the Peloponnese, for example.

    We've been saying here for years that it was misleading, but the usual suspects just wouldn't accept it.


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    Thank you Jovialis !
    I wonder if the Greek average on global K13 is ported over from eurogenes K13 because the Greek average on it has the same attributes... It clusters with northern/northwestern Greeks and Albanians...

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    To my knowledge, Dodecad used what was the only academic sample available at the time, which was indeed Thessaloniki. It also used the data of its own volunteers, which means it's the luck of the draw.

    We now have lots of samples from the Peloponnese, for example, so we know more about the differences among Greeks.

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    Once again, thank you Jovialis

    Distance to: Duarte
    5.65621782 I12514:Olalde_et_al_2019
    6.13415031 I10895:Olalde_et_al_2019
    6.24398110 I10866:Olalde_et_al_2019
    6.26891538 I10853:Olalde_et_al_2019
    6.39570168 I10892:Olalde_et_al_2019
    6.55540235 I1313:Olalde_et_al_2019
    6.74273683 R110:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    6.89459208 I12516:Olalde_et_al_2019
    6.91129510 R109:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    6.92582125 I10852:Olalde_et_al_2019
    6.93939479 I3584:Olalde_et_al_2019
    6.94108061 I6490:Olalde_et_al_2019
    7.29715013 por003:C_Valdiosera_et_al._2018
    7.49508506 I3585:Olalde_et_al_2019
    7.59223946 ERS88:S_Brunel_et_al._2020
    7.61400683 R1289:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    7.67329786 R474:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    7.71966321 R63:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    7.71978627 I4890:Olalde_et_al._2018
    7.78762480 I7673:Olalde_et_al_2019
    7.79531911 I5524:Olalde_et_al._2018
    7.85466740 I7675:Olalde_et_al_2019
    7.96866363 R61:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    7.99977500 R473:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    8.00427386 I12649:Olalde_et_al_2019

    Distance: 5.0823% / 5.08226885
    Target: Duarte | ADC: 2x RC
    59.4 I12514
    40.6 I10866


    Distance: 3.5164% / 3.51641624
    Target: Duarte | ADC: 1x RC
    47.6 I10866
    35.0 I12516
    17.4 I3584


    Distance: 0.6741% / 0.67414613
    Target: Duarte | ADC: 0.5x RC
    43.2 I10866
    24.5 I12648
    11.9 I12516
    8.0 I7427
    6.1 I3574
    5.6 I3584
    0.7 I5019


    Distance: 0.6135% / 0.61352036
    Target: Duarte | ADC: 0.25x RC
    37.7 I10866
    21.4 I12648
    13.6 I12516
    10.8 I3584
    8.9 I7427
    7.6 R474



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    FYI,

    You can obtain your coordinates for Dodecad Globe 13 from Admixture Studio. The calculator is not on GEDmatch or GEDmatch Genesis.
    Jovialis: I bought Admixture Studio (go my unlock key) to run the various calculators they have with all the nice graphs. It seems when I rean Dodecad 13 I counted 14 population parameters, is that correct. Also, it will only let me upload my NAT GENO data which is in an excel spreadsheet format. I can't upload my Ancestry data.

    I am sure it is a user error on my part, any suggestions.

    Thanks, PT

    Edit to my own post, there is a Ratio % that is included so that is what I think is the 14th population parameter I was seeing. So that is not included in the 13 needed to run the data you put together for us. I do believe.

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    Jovialis: Great work again, My single Distances < 10. Using my NAT GENO results for the first time. Admixture studio can estimate mine which is in Excel format (GEDMATCH can't).

    Distance to: PalermtoTrapani
    2.48963853 R131:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    2.68665219 R52:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    2.94604820 R59:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    3.19770230 R1290:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    3.38724076 R107:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    3.43426848 R118:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    3.71361010 R35:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    4.26532531 R56:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    4.34299436 R835:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    4.41466873 R58:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    4.48778342 R57:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    4.52332842 R32:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    4.54358889 R122:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    4.55346022 R437:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    4.75725761 R49:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    4.77737376 R121:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    5.36972066 R113:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    5.52247227 R969:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    5.56908431 R117:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    5.85054698 R836:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    5.87575527 R54:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    5.95906033 R65:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    6.02678189 R64:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    6.11297800 R973:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    6.11895416 R47:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    6.37150689 R970:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    6.41153648 I5769:Mathieson_et_al_2018
    6.55257201 R53:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    6.67950597 R436:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    6.74675478 R1283:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    6.84621063 R60:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    6.90500543 R136:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    7.24789625 R1544:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    7.31606452 R120:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    7.34731243 AEHIb:KR_Veeramah_et_al._2018
    7.50513158 R1287:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    7.67421006 R36:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    7.90699690 R1549:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    8.12731198 R111:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    8.22581303 I9041:Lazaridis_et_al_2017
    8.27299220 R1285:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    8.60758387 I7424:Olalde_et_al_2019
    8.61393638 I7500:Olalde_et_al_2019
    8.76133551 I12220:Fernandes_et_al_2020
    8.93598903 R125:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    8.99274708 I4054:Olalde_et_al_2019
    9.07576443 R137:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    9.21547611 I9123:Lazaridis_et_al_2017
    9.49070598 STR300b:KR_Veeramah_et_al._2018
    9.58797685 R114:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    9.69865455 I8215:Olalde_et_al_2019
    9.84960913 R51:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    9.85140599 R50:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    9.86559679 scy192:Krzewińska_et_al_2018
    9.92107353 I3980:Olalde_et_al_2019
    10.15281242 R30:Antonio_M_et_al_2019



    Distance: 0.6716% / 0.67157361
    Target: PalermtoTrapani | ADC: 0.25x RC
    37.6 R35:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    34.0 R107:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    16.4 I5769:Mathieson_et_al_2018
    9.3 R1290:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    2.7 R437:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    Last edited by Palermo Trapani; 29-12-20 at 20:31. Reason: additional information

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    Here are my samples under 10 distance:

    Distance to: Jovialis
    1.88239210 R835:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    2.88196114 R970:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    3.02274709 R118:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    3.05267096 R57:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    3.10765185 R836:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    3.30939572 R969:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    3.65935787 R52:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    3.66102445 R1290:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    3.77499669 R59:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    3.98521016 R121:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    4.15472021 R49:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    4.30909503 R131:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    4.46497480 R60:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    4.57942136 R973:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    4.81608762 R64:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    4.86479188 R122:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    4.86578873 R54:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    4.90411052 R58:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    5.09959802 R32:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    5.60483720 R1549:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    5.67245097 R36:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    5.67554403 R56:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    5.70279756 R117:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    5.70356029 R107:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    5.96098146 R1283:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    6.04976033 R65:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    6.14089570 R47:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    6.29422751 R113:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    6.35473839 R35:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    6.38938182 R436:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    6.76984490 AEHIb:KR_Veeramah_et_al._2018
    6.86272541 R437:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    7.06922910 R1544:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    7.09746434 R53:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    7.30831034 R111:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    7.35253018 R136:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    7.39555272 R1287:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    7.64414809 scy192:Krzewińska_et_al_2018
    8.27882842 scy300:Krzewińska_et_al_2018
    8.34441130 I5769:Mathieson_et_al_2018
    8.35642268 R1285:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    8.67566712 R120:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    8.92494818 I5015:Olalde_et_al._2018
    9.50521436 R125:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    9.54922510 STR502b:KR_Veeramah_et_al._2018
    9.63221158 I4054:Olalde_et_al_2019
    9.85668808 R137:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    9.93756006 I7424:Olalde_et_al_2019
    9.98868860 R114:Antonio_M_et_al_2019
    10.22774169 I12221:Fernandes_et_al_2020

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    ... under 10 distance

    ... Post #14 download, Ancient West Eurasia / Individual Sample Arrangement

    ... Credit to Jovialis :)



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    Salento: Good list with Dodecad Global 13. Lots of overlap again among you, Jovialis and myself. Out of 4,000 samples that Jovialis put together (great work again!), I changed the gradiant to make it easier to read all of those samples so that is why all mine < 10 are in green.

    I assume you got your Global 13 coordinates from Admixture studio. I went ahead and got the Pro Unlock. Some neat calculators there and as I noted in my post above, their programs read my NAT GENO data, which is in excel format with no problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Salento: Good list with Dodecad Global 13. Lots of overlap again among you, Jovialis and myself. Out of 4,000 samples that Jovialis put together (great work again!), I changed the gradiant to make it easier to read all of those samples so that is why all mine < 10 are in green.

    I assume you got your Global 13 coordinates from Admixture studio. I went ahead and got the Pro Unlock. Some neat calculators there and as I noted in my post above, their programs read my NAT GENO data, which is in excel format with no problem.
    I ran the free version, ... I’m El Cheapo :)

    ... you mentioned NatGeo,

    ... up to 10 dist., NatGeo dod K13:
    (NG top sample is R835, vs R58 with Combined raw-data),
    ... but R58 tops the Single ran



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    Distance: 22.2122% / 22.21224537 | R7P
    58.1 Arban_1_~2000_years_

    39.9 I3810

    2.0 GD39_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic_


    Target: Carlos
    Distance: 21.4416% / 21.44159719 | R7P
    60.0 Arban_1_~2000_years_
    38.1 I3810
    1.9 GD39_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic_

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