New MyHeritage update (groups)

**Salento** · 02-01-21, 08:19

deleted, double post.. :)

**Salento** · 02-01-21, 08:21

Originally Posted by torzio

@ salento

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxw5l6-1GOE

An Umbrian-Sabellic people born from the fusion of different elements, including the mysterious Liburnian people of the eastern shore of the Adriatic, the Picenians for a long time played a fundamental role in the development of the cultures of Central Italy,

1600s Marche (Picenians area) and Rome are also part of Lecce (Salento) genetic group:

... you win the “Matching Samples”, but I win the Deep Dive

**kingjohn** · 02-01-21, 15:22

Originally Posted by Duarte

The Sephardic ethnicity, according to MyHeritage

nice

contrary to ftdna my origins 3.0
where the sefhardic refernce is based on turkish sefhardi and greek sefhardi

**Carlos** · 02-01-21, 18:17

Carlos' multidisciplinary studies

In these two maps are the ones that give me Northwest European In these two maps are the ones that give me Northwest European in common ethnicities

With my situation in Y full

The distribution of the surname in Malaga province where my most remote ancestor would have originated

Only 18 inhabitants have it as their first surname and 26 as their second surname

The surname is held by 2% of whites and 97% of Hispanics referring to Hispanic Americans.

These percentages in the surname for the dna Y speak to me of a non-native of Spain, a native would have the highest percentage

Genetic results with photographic input which is something you rarely get the chance to do. Although I'm not too good at sorting

DNA lineage and from great-grandfather to father:

Paternal great-grandfather

Paternal grandfather

Parent

**christa** · 02-01-21, 21:59

Originally Posted by Riverman

Romanians have strong Balkan and Roman influences, also strong Slavic ones and minor, but significant, more recent ones from various steppe people, Hungarians, Germans, Serbs and Bulgarians among others. Its in any case about more recent common ancestry than the Bronze Age with this feature, so admixture within historical times. The question is just in which direction it was going, from Romania or to Romania. Could be the general Vlach/Balkan cluster via Albanian ancestry?

Maybe genetic groups are not ancient but are based on recent times, as they are based on our matches.
I think the correct genetic groups for Apulians is another balkan population, perhaps the Dalmatian coast or the interior. On Ftdna, 23andme and Myheritage I have many balkan matches of Croatia, Bosnia Herzegovnia, Serbia.. I have some documented ancestors from 1500/1600s of Dubrovnik.

**torzio** · 02-01-21, 22:13

Originally Posted by christa

Maybe genetic groups are not ancient but are based on recent times, as they are based on our matches.
I think the correct genetic groups for Apulians is another balkan population, perhaps the Dalmatian coast or the interior. On Ftdna, 23andme and Myheritage I have many balkan matches of Croatia, Bosnia Herzegovnia, Serbia.. I have some documented ancestors from 1500/1600s of Dubrovnik.

Apuli come from ancient Liburnians ( or 1st cousins of Liburnians ) circa 1000Bc

There are many italian papers/documents on this ................see my previous posts on this thread

**christa** · 02-01-21, 22:28

I know this.
Apulians were Illyrian.My city was founded by the Iapygians.

**christa** · 02-01-21, 22:46

There is a genetic study on Iron Age Botromagno in Apulia, a city founded by Iapygians that support the origin of Iapygians from eastern Balkan:
"These findings support previous hypotheses that the ancestors of the Iapygians may have originated in the eastern Balkan region, or derive shared ancestry with a common source population from eastern Europe."

https://indo-european.eu/2018/05/pre...outhern-italy/

**Salento** · 03-01-21, 00:35

Originally Posted by torzio

Apuli come from ancient Liburnians ( or ist cousins of Liburnians ) circa 1000Bc

There are many italian papers/documents on this ................see my previous posts on this thread

your video on Post #75 mentions the Picenians into Abruzzo, ...towns like Pescara, but also Borgorose in Lazio (Temple of Mars of the Sabini) and others

some of those towns are also part of my Chieti (Abruzzo) genetic group (Borgorose Lazio included):

**torzio** · 03-01-21, 01:04

Originally Posted by christa

There is a genetic study on Iron Age Botromagno in Apulia, a city founded by Iapygians that support the origin of Iapygians from eastern Balkan:
"These findings support previous hypotheses that the ancestors of the Iapygians may have originated in the eastern Balkan region, or derive shared ancestry with a common source population from eastern Europe."
https://indo-european.eu/2018/05/pre...outhern-italy/

Seen this article....but the map is 100% wrong .............the apuli/Iapygians came from northern Adriatic area , next to Liburnia ( croatia ) .

in Apulia by the three Iapygian tribes of the region: the Messapians, the Peucetians and the Daunians.

The messapic language has to be a Liburnian or North Dalmatian one mixing with the locals they conquered circa 1000BC

**torzio** · 03-01-21, 01:07

Originally Posted by christa

I know this.
Apulians were Illyrian.My city was founded by the Iapygians.

What city, is your city ?

**christa** · 03-01-21, 01:24

Originally Posted by torzio

What city, is your city ?

Gravina in Puglia, the ancient Iapygians city of Silvium, founded by Peucetii. Botromagno (the city if the genetic study) is in our territory.

**Northener** · 03-01-21, 10:56

Originally Posted by matty74

Mine:

@Matty didn't you have a link with East-Frisia?
These are my results, we share my number one....

Schermafbeelding 2021-01-03 om 09.52.18.png

PS I saw in my father's result a group that is most probably more accurate!

Description:

Germans in Germany (Lower Saxony) and some in the Netherlands (Groningen), and some of their descendants in the United States (Iowa, Illinois and some in Minnesota and Nebraska)

**Carlos** · 03-01-21, 12:36

What a head! I had forgotten to publish the common last names of my group in Flevoland (Netherlands)

**Northener** · 03-01-21, 13:42

Originally Posted by Carlos

What a head! I had forgotten to publish the common last names of my group in Flevoland (Netherlands)

Well Carlos that's one of a kind!

Flevoland is fully land made out of sea, inhabited since about 1942.....
It was a kind of 'social experiment' because people were selected to go there, you had to apply. And there was a commission that selected so much protestant, catholics etc.

The result is indeed middle ground Netherlands as you can see on the map!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flevoland

I don't really know what you relationship could be with flevoland, fully enigmatic! How did you get the "flevoland segments"?

The E-V22 YF172235, is from a family from de Lutte, Ducth/German border, I correspond with him ;) (it's a small world Carlos!).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Lutte

So far I can see it as an abbreviation of some kind....Interesting tough!

**Carlos** · 03-01-21, 14:28

Originally Posted by Northener

Well Carlos that's one of a kind!

Flevoland is fully land made out of sea, inhabited since about 1942.....
It was a kind of 'social experiment' because people were selected to go there, you had to apply. And there was a commission that selected so much protestant, catholics etc.

The result is indeed middle ground Netherlands as you can see on the map!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flevoland

I don't really know what you relationship could be with flevoland, fully enigmatic! How did you get the "flevoland segments"?

The E-V22 YF172235, is from a family from de Lutte, Ducth/German border, I correspond with him ;) (it's a small world Carlos!).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Lutte

So far I can see it as an abbreviation of some kind....Interesting tough!

Amazon......

**Regio X** · 03-01-21, 15:24

Originally Posted by Regio X

Mine (...)

I just realized that the default for my uncle is a medium confidence; probably because he doesn't get any group when I set high confidence.

With medium confidence, currently I get more three groups with FTDNA Raw Data: Italy (Treviso) below the Italian %, and then, as additional genetic groups, "Montenegro, Serbia and Turkey" and Brazil (São Paulo). No more groups with 23andMe Raw Data.
Father, also three more: Italy (Veneto and Lombardy) below the Italian %, then as additional "Germany, Poland, Czechia, Austria and Hungary" and Southern Austria (Steiermark, Carinthia and Styria).
Mother gets none in addition.

**Duarte** · 03-01-21, 17:06

None of the surnames listed by MH is among my current or ancient surnames.....(I have a compound name).....plus these family surnames (I take two of them): Pessoa de Faria Gonçalves Dias Duarte Souza Guerra Viegas

**Salento** · 03-01-21, 18:06

I didn't build a family tree, ... but they nailed it :)

... got Rizzo close relatives, ... see the variation of the same Surname in different areas assigned to me,

obviously these people originated from the same Ancient Clan:

**Salento** · 03-01-21, 19:02

the Greece genetic group is more French and French Riviera than Greek,

... I don’t know, but I think it could be ancient shared ancestry with the Ancient Greeks (Mycenaeans?) that colonized those areas, and myheritage mistakenly thinks it is recent.

... most Ancient Greeks in Puglia were eliminated by the Messapi according to Herodotus,
which is why Puglia doesn’t show up much, ... I think.

**Salento** · 03-01-21, 20:00

imho the post above could indicates a more Medieval origin of the Grikos of Grecìa-Salentina than a Magna-Grecia one.

... it seems that the Grikos must have a different Greece genetic group than mine.
... in the Greek group I get, there aren’t any Greek in Salento.

**Duarte** · 03-01-21, 20:20

Hi dear friend Salento.
I think that the standard display for Greece Group ID: 5081 is Greece #2, 1900 - 1950. See:

**Salento** · 03-01-21, 20:52

Originally Posted by Duarte

Hi dear friend Salento.
I think that the standard display for Greece Group ID: 5081 is Greece #2, 1900 - 1950. See:

Notice the lack of that particular Greek genetic group in Puglia, besides Taranto, ... that according to Herodotus, Taranto was the only place near Salento that eventually the Ancient Greeks were able to retake after the elimination of the Spartan Colonies by the Messapi.

... ma subirono una sconfitta così terribile, che si ebbe allora il più grave massacro di Greci di tutti quelli che noi conosciamo; ... “Herodotus”
https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messapi

... the rest is just older shared ancestry, imo

... a lot of people know the story of the 300 Spartans, almost nobody knows what was happening to the Spartans in Puglia and Calabria around that same timeline.

**christa** · 03-01-21, 21:03

I think so too.
Many kits used for genetic groups are of Americans. In this case they have greeks and others origins (France, Italy and other nations).
The map of 1650-1700 indicated the areas of people on the genealogies. For Greece #2, 3051 kits are used to form this group, but only 1043 have family trees. These trees are used for the maps of different periods.
Maybe someone know better their franch ancestors in genealogies and they know only few generations of greeks ancestors.For this reason the map of 1650-1700 is more colorful in France.

**Duarte** · 03-01-21, 21:08

Originally Posted by Salento

Notice the lack of that particular Greek genetic group in Puglia, besides Taranto, ... that according to Herodotus, Taranto was the only place near Salento that eventually the Ancient Greeks were able to retake after the elimination of the Spartan Colonies by the Messapi.

... ma subirono una sconfitta così terribile, che si ebbe allora il più grave massacro di Greci di tutti quelli che noi conosciamo; ... “Herodotus”

https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messapi

... the rest is just older shared ancestry, imo

... a lot of people know the story of the 300 Spartans, almost nobody knows what was happening to the Spartans in Puglia and Calabria around that same timeline.

Molto interessante: l'origine dei Messapi, in italiano.

https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messapi

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