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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    those are the Ancestral places of origin of the Italian Diasporas in Brasile,

    ... don’t tell Duarte, ... he doesn’t want to know :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    @Salento @Carlos
    Who are they? I prefer not to know. What does your oracle say, Carlos?


    The oracle has spoken:

    The oracle shows an image just like this one and it was also in Google images.


    People whose origin is there where the sun goes down and who carry the sword but not the destruction cause human displacements from south to north and settle down where the emptiness is, arriving later to the beehive from which they will drink the honey as one of them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    The oracle has spoken:

    The oracle shows an image just like this one and it was also in Google images.


    People whose origin is there where the sun goes down and who carry the sword but not the destruction cause human displacements from south to north and settle down where the emptiness is, arriving later to the beehive from which they will drink the honey as one of them.


    Beautiful

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    ... how about that! ... now I’m twice the Leccese, cool


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    no change for me in regards to % , except places


    Top places, 1600 - 1650

    Italy
    Treviso
    Ferrara
    Pordenone
    Trentino-South Tyrol

    Germany
    Darmstadt Region
    Karbach

    Switzerland
    Zernez



    funny thing is I was just checking a link to the reddick family ( a dna match , zero distance ) who are from Darmstadt
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4p
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1-Y33791
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    no change for me in regards to % , except places


    Top places, 1600 - 1650

    Italy
    Treviso
    Ferrara
    Pordenone
    Trentino-South Tyrol

    Germany
    Darmstadt Region
    Karbach

    Switzerland
    Zernez

    funny thing is I was just checking a link to the reddick family ( a dna match , zero distance ) who are from Darmstadt
    I get a T-M70 called Redlich ...

    if I change the timeline I get France and Germany too (+ others), though it’s obviously exported Salento’s DNA :) I think.

    I also get Bari (Puglia), Chieti (Abruzzo) and Lecce (Puglia) as part of my Italian Genetic Groups.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I get a T-M70 called Redlich ...

    if I change the timeline I get France and Germany too (+ others), though it’s obviously exported Salento’s DNA :) I think.

    I also get Bari (Puglia), Chieti (Abruzzo) and Lecce (Puglia) as part of my Italian Genetic Groups.


    what distance is he from you in ftdna?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    what distance is he from you in ftdna?
    y Chr. distance: 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    y Chr. distance: 1

    I am zero

    The pole from Pomerania who matches me in yfull is also zero to reddich/redlich

    the Pole is also closer in snp to the Brooks line than what I am in yfull

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    no change for me in regards to % , except places

    Top places, 1600 - 1650

    Italy
    Treviso
    Ferrara
    Pordenone
    Trentino-South Tyrol

    Germany
    Darmstadt Region
    Karbach

    Switzerland
    Zernez

    funny thing is I was just checking a link to the reddick family ( a dna match , zero distance ) who are from Darmstadt
    ... same as you, I get Trentino-South Tyrol too.
    I included the surnames, just in case some sounds familiar to you.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I get a T-M70 called Redlich ...

    if I change the timeline I get France and Germany too (+ others), though it’s obviously exported Salento’s DNA :) I think.
    Do you know whether he is German or Ashkenazi Jewish? Its a fairly common normal name in Germany, but appears also quite frequently among Jewish people:
    https://forebears.io/surnames/redlich


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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    Do you know whether he is German or Ashkenazi Jewish? Its a fairly common normal name in Germany, but appears also quite frequently among Jewish people:
    https://forebears.io/surnames/redlich

    ... distant Y clade from mine,
    he has Polish roots, ... no ethnic or religious informations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    Do you know whether he is German or Ashkenazi Jewish? Its a fairly common normal name in Germany, but appears also quite frequently among Jewish people:
    https://forebears.io/surnames/redlich


    he is


    Reddicks are German in origin, having had the surname recorded as Radick upon arrival in Savannah, GA in 1737. Back in the Odenwald region of southwest Germany the name had been Rettich / Rettig and a century earlier the family was named Retgen. Rettich is German for the vegetable radish. My suspicion is that the surname changed with circumstances - either a move to where there were already Rettich / Rettig folks residing or else when my Retgen ancestors perhaps took up radish farming........info from Reddick site owner

    new news, associated with the above.............
    Johannes Rettich was born in Gadernheim, Reichenbach Parish, in 1701. He married Maria Barbara Wolff circa January, 1724.

    other family members live in Erbach-Schonberg Hesse Germany


    As far as I know the Pole has never mentioned the Rettig/Reddick line , he only mentions the Brooks and Curtiss line .....................maybe I should ask................I will also recheck the year long chit-chat via messenger and let u know


    He states his family circa 16th century is a mix of German, Dutch and Scottish......moving from old "east Frisia " to Poland ............that all I have relevant in old messenger texts

    I did ask him about Reddick, Neuman and Poe ..............Neuman ended up being my 3rd cousin once removed, from 1905 line ( thats when it split off ) , Poe is related to Neuman and I will ask him where Reddick fits on his ftdna tree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... distant Y clade from mine,
    he has Polish roots, ... no ethnic or religious informations.

    I am in constant contact with the Pole in messenger ............he was born in Pomerania Poland and was raised in Lublin Poland...........still lives in Poland , but also in Norway ( being an engineer on tankers must be highly paid )

    He claims no polish ancestors except that he was born in Poland

    He has far more snp matches than I with the Brooks line ..............which also has the Curtiss line....which leads into the Frush line ....................everyone mentioned here is ydna of T1a2

    Is religion an issue, if so, let me know and I will ask him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... same as you, I get Trentino-South Tyrol too.
    I included the surnames, just in case some sounds familiar to you.




    I get for surnames

    Common surnames
    Rossi

    Ferrari

    Zanella

    Bianchi

    Carraro

    Moro

    Zanon

    Barbieri

    Fontana

    Marin

    Trentin


    and for
    Related groups in 1600-1650 ...................I don't know from 1604 when the family arrived in veneto if if was via Schio in Vicenza side or the Fonzaso ( south Belluno proivince ) side .......as 2 brothers married 2 sisters , but they split

    Italy (Vicenza)



    Italy (Vicenza and Verona)



    Italy (Rivamonte Agordino)



    Italy (Treviso)



    Italy (Veneto and Friuli-Venezia Giulia) #2



    Austria (Tyrol) and Italy (Trentino-South Tyrol)



    Italy (Trentino)



    Italy (Trentino) and Austria (Tyrol) #2



    Italy (Trentino) and Austria



    Italy (Veneto and Friuli-Venezia Giulia) #1





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    Lecce (Salento) Timeline, 1600 - 2000:

    ... yep


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    @Torzio
    you get Marin and I get Marino.

    you get Moro, ... Aldo Moro was from Maglie (Lecce).
    he was the former Italian Prime Minister kidnapped and then killed by the Brigate Rosse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Torzio
    you get Marin and I get Marino.

    you get Moro, ... Aldo Moro was from Maglie (Lecce).
    he was the former Italian Prime Minister kidnapped and then killed by the Brigate Rosse.
    see T posts as I forgot I had some links with your region ...........it is 2012 conversation with administrator of Ysearch ( ftdna closed this site down , very bad , as it was a wonderful site )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Torzio
    you get Marin and I get Marino.

    you get Moro, ... Aldo Moro was from Maglie (Lecce).
    he was the former Italian Prime Minister kidnapped and then killed by the Brigate Rosse.

    it is a north Italian surname

    It comes from the word for Brown hair, Moron .............

    https://www.cognomix.it/mappe-dei-cognomi-italiani/MORO

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I get for surnames

    Common surnames
    Rossi

    Ferrari

    Zanella

    Bianchi

    Carraro

    Moro

    Zanon

    Barbieri

    Fontana

    Marin

    Trentin



    Zanon ................meaning Big John ....as coming from the word Zane meaning Giovanni

    Marin ................from the word Mar ( the Sea )

    Zanella ............coming from Giovanna ( Joanne )

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Marin ................from the word Mar ( the Sea )
    Marino and Marina are common given names in Italy (same roots of the word "Mare").

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    Marino and Marina are common given names in Italy (same roots of the word "Mare").
    Of course , what are you trying to say

    a lot of Christian names became surnames in the veneto and I assume other regions

    Santolin ..........from santo
    Bortolin ..........from bortolo ( meo )
    Michielin ..........from Michiel ( michele )
    Guidolin ........from Guido

    others went down the surname endings with either, ato, otto, igo, acco, er, in, and a few others

    Mare and Pare is mother and father in venetian

    or the less formal , mama and papa are used for parents

    Madre and Padre are used solely for the religious side as in nuns and priests

    i ending surnames do not originally exist in the Veneto ...........they are either due to other italian migrating or later in the 18th century being used to replace the term detto ( some say ) ...........so you would have a town with very many of the same surnames , so originally detto used
    eg ......Zaia detto stival ...........Stival ( boot maker ).......this Zaia family was the ones known as boot makers ..................or you could have Zen detto Ros , either this Zen family had red hair or married with the Ros family
    the i came into effect to represent many or another form to replace detto

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Of course , what are you trying to say
    Nothing more, Torzio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I get for surnames

    Common surnames
    Rossi

    Ferrari

    Zanella

    Bianchi

    Carraro

    Moro

    Zanon

    Barbieri

    Fontana

    Marin

    Trentin


    and for
    Related groups in 1600-1650 ...................I don't know from 1604 when the family arrived in veneto if if was via Schio in Vicenza side or the Fonzaso ( south Belluno proivince ) side .......as 2 brothers married 2 sisters , but they split

    Italy (Vicenza)





    Italy (Vicenza and Verona)





    Italy (Rivamonte Agordino)





    Italy (Treviso)





    Italy (Veneto and Friuli-Venezia Giulia) #2





    Austria (Tyrol) and Italy (Trentino-South Tyrol)





    Italy (Trentino)





    Italy (Trentino) and Austria (Tyrol) #2





    Italy (Trentino) and Austria





    Italy (Veneto and Friuli-Venezia Giulia) #1



    I am not sure how accurate the surnames are above .................in the DNA myheritage matches for me and my father, I confirmed via birth, death and marriage records the following surnames , Bolzan, Marcon, Rostirolla, Pavan, Karlin, Bacchion, Benetton, Trevisiol, Steiner, Rocco and Contarin as linked with my paternal line ..................maybe the surname above might be my maternal line

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    I am not sure how accurate the surnames are above .................in the DNA myheritage matches for me and my father, I confirmed via birth, death and marriage records the following surnames , Bolzan, Marcon, Rostirolla, Pavan, Karlin, Bacchion, Benetton, Trevisiol, Steiner, Rocco and Contarin as linked with my paternal line ..................maybe the surname above might be my maternal line
    In the groups relevant for me the surnames are just representatives of the regional ethnic group, not necessarily my family tree. The names listed are just the most common names of the whole cluster, so if the cluster is a geographical region, of this geographical region. That's all. It might be a hit, by chance, by probability, because if Schmidt and Wagner are frequent, chances you got it, somewhere in your tree. If a name in a village appears over and over again in the church book, and I know my ancestors lived in that village for many hundreds of years more, chances are just extremely high that this surname will appear, sooner or later, in my tree too. For many names that was indeed the case, first I read them in a church book for other entries again and again, and after some generations one of this family appeared, was the husband or wife.
    So don't give too much to the few names they list, these are just the common names for your cluster, whether you have them proven in your record or not.

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