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... that’s probably one of the extra reasons that drove Alexander to go East instead of West
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... that’s probably one of the extra reasons that drove Alexander to go East instead of West
Notice the lack of that particular Greek genetic group in Puglia, besides Taranto, ... that according to Herodotus, Taranto was the only place near Salento that eventually the Ancient Greeks were able to retake after the elimination of the Spartan Colonies by the Messapi.
... ma subirono una sconfitta così terribile, che si ebbe allora il più grave massacro di Greci di tutti quelli che noi conosciamo; ... “Herodotus”
https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messapi
... the rest is just older shared ancestry, imo
... a lot of people know the story of the 300 Spartans, almost nobody knows what was happening to the Spartans in Puglia and Calabria around that same timeline.
If your ancestor moved to Spain in the early 1800s with Napoleon's troops, you can easily find out the exact origin of your family. They are a few generations. You can consult the birth registers in your municipality or the registers of your parish to build your family tree. Find out everything in 1 or 2 days of research.Common names of my results with Flevoland (Netherlands)
This is science, I'm the one who got Flevoland and there's my full Y status.
And since I was a child I've felt Presbyterian or something like that, that's something you know.
So, the Phoenician of Andalusia is out of the question, because if there were Phoenicians here until 2021, my last name has only 16 people in the place, it doesn't seem to fit. And headbutting against a wall is not going to happen, I'm sorry it doesn't suit me.
And then the oral tradition of my family about the deserter from Napoleon's troops is another fact. So, at least I have taken a big step forward if I look at it from the perspective of the time I started until today.
That's right and that's how I tell it
from an old strabo map ............migration to Italy circa 1000BC for picene and Apuli
Note Iapodes sit next to Liburni on map
If your ancestor moved to Spain in the early 1800s with Napoleon's troops, you can easily find out the exact origin of your family. They are a few generations. You can consult the birth registers in your municipality or the registers of your parish to build your family tree. Find out everything in 1 or 2 days of research.
through the registers you can get to 1500.
Good.My ancestor was from Montejaque (Málaga) and in the preambles of the Spanish Civil War the communists set fire to churches and Town Halls so that the baptismal, matrimonial e.t.c. and civil registry archives of the Town Halls were burned and for more inri the archives of Montejaque were the most damaged in all Andalusia.
Then my ancestor moved to the neighboring province of Cadiz. Currently there is no one in Montejaque with my last name.
I have the oral tradition and the fact that in Montejaque it is known that there were desertions from Napoleon's army.
Good.
Then you can find in the municipality of Cadiz, where He lived, the death certificate of your ancestor, He will have died in the mid 1800s. In the
death certificate could be noted where he was born , so you can find out the nationality and perhaps the city of origin and the name of his parents.
As far as the Greek Group is concerned, I guess there was a lot of emigration to Europe during the Ottoman occupation. As far as my own results are concerned there was only detailed time related info for the Greek group (59%) and not the others (Balkan 33%, Scandinavian 5.1% and Askenazi Jews 2.9%). I have a question though. All this time stamped info, is it from genealogical trees or DNA?
Family trees of kits used to form a genetic group.
if I stretched it, I might understand how Greece got in the picture, ...
but you, me and J get Romania too, and if we get it, bet you that many other paesani nostri get it too.
What’s the recent connection ???
... I think they’re also using some of our ancient shared ancestries to match us with these populations through their Family Trees.
Many Romans moved to Romania, though could be Bronze Age or earlier.
I don't know connection with Romania. I know the connection with the merchants of Dalmatia in Apulia during the centuries in Middle Ages. I have read of Slavic presence in Apulia in 1500s, but I think more of Adriatic coast of the Balkan.
When we went to Italy in 2019, we stayed at a B&B that was a a working olive estate outside of Rossano in Calabria (doing a bit of agroturismo). The family that owned it, their surname was Greco. With that surname you would expect they were Greek but actually they were Serbian and had owned the estate since the 1200s. I would think that in the Middle Ages there might have been some population movement to Italy from the Balkans.
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