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    French ancient dna 3400-2500 BCE

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    ate Neolithic and Bell Beaker Genomes from Present-Day France
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    https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(20)31835-2

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      • Sequencing of 24 human genomes from France dated to ∼3,400–1,600 cal. years BCE
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      • These genomes show heterogeneous hunter-gatherer and steppe-related ancestries
      • Paris Basin Neolithic and Mesolithic groups admixed as recently as ∼3,800 years BCE
      • Admixture with steppe herders in southern France dated as early as ∼2,650 years BCE


      Summary

      The transition from the Late Neolithic to the Bronze Age has witnessed important population and societal changes in western Europe.1
      These include massive genomic contributions of pastoralist herders originating from the Pontic-Caspian steppes2,3
      into local populations, resulting from complex interactions between collapsing hunter-gatherers and expanding farmers of Anatolian ancestry.4
      , 5, 6, 7, 8This transition is documented through extensive ancient genomic data from present-day Britain,9,10Ireland,11,12Iberia,13
      Mediterranean islands,14,15Germany.8
      It remains, however, largely overlooked in France, where most focus has been on the Middle Neolithic (n = 63),8,9,16with the exception of one Late Neolithic genome sequenced at 0.05× coverage.16

    • This leaves the key transitional period covering ∼3,400–2,700 cal. years (calibrated years) BCE genetically unsampled and thus the exact time frame of hunter-gatherer persistence and arrival of steppe migrations unknown. To remediate this, we sequenced 24 ancient human genomes from France spanning ∼3,400–1,600 cal. years BCE. This reveals Late Neolithic populations that are genetically diverse and include individuals with dark skin, hair, and eyes. We detect heterogeneous hunter-gatherer ancestries within Late Neolithic communities, reaching up to ∼63.3% in some individuals, and variable genetic contributions of steppe herders in Bell Beaker populations. We provide an estimate as late as ∼3,800 years BCE for the admixture between Neolithic and Mesolithic populations and as early as ∼2,650 years BCE for the arrival of steppe-related ancestry. The genomic heterogeneity characterized underlines the complex history of human interactions even at the local scale.



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    Heterogeneous Hunter-Gatherer and Steppe-Related Ancestries in Late Neolithic and Bell Beaker Genomes from Present-Day France



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    HgY
    1H07 I2a1b1b1
    1H13 I2a1b1b1
    2H07 H2a1a
    2H10 I2a1b1b1
    2H11 I2a1a1b1
    2H17 I2a1b1b1
    2HxC5x196x1131 I2a1b1b1
    GBVPK R1b1a1b1a1a2a1
    ROUQCC I2a1b1b
    ROUQFF I2a1a2
    ROUQHH I2a1b1b1
    ROUQW I2a1b1b1
    TORTD I2a1b1b1



    And
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    Sample Hg
    1H04 K1a1b1g
    1H06 U5a2b3
    1H07 J1c5
    1H13 K1a4a1
    1H14 H
    2H06 H2a2a1
    2H07 K1a4a1h
    2H10 H3
    2H11 J1c1
    2H17 U5b1i
    2HxC5x196x1131 X2b
    GBVPK J2b1a
    GBVPL J1c1
    GBVPO U5b3
    MAS15 H4a1a+195
    ROUQCC T2c1d+152
    ROUQEE H1+152
    ROUQFF V
    ROUQHH U2e1c1
    ROUQV H3
    ROUQW X2c1
    TORTC K1b1a
    TORTD K1a2a
    TORTE K1a2b
    TORTF H6a1a


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    Sefhardi, aschenazi, mizrahi, bulgarian
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    I'm U2e2. It showed up in Corded Ware, multiple times in Bell Beaker, and one of the recent papers on the steppe showed it too.

    There's no getting around it. I have steppe mtDna, and my father and most of the people in those mountains have steppe yDna (R1b-U52).

    I have no idea about my maternal grandfather's y however. He looked like Julius Caesar without quite such a large nose and of course he was probably R1b as well, but who knows? I've always had a hunch he might have been G2a:)



    I think this is the best reconstruction bkz it's based on the only two known contemporaneous busts, and on coins issued in Rome during his lifetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I'm U2e2. It showed up in Corded Ware, multiple times in Bell Beaker, and one of the recent papers on the steppe showed it too.

    There's no getting around it. I have steppe mtDna, and my father and most of the people in those mountains have steppe yDna (R1b-U52).

    I have no idea about my maternal grandfather's y however. He looked like Julius Caesar without quite such a large nose and of course he was probably R1b as well, but who knows? I've always had a hunch he might have been G2a:)



    I think this is the best reconstruction bkz it's based on the only two known contemporaneous busts, and on coins issued in Rome during his lifetime.
    The tanned and weathered skin of the reconstruction comes from a lifetime spent outdoors campaigning. He was described as tall, well built, fair skinned and black eyed.

    In fact, I think I look a bit like a female version of him. Without hair, my skull would look exactly the same, too; it's huge. I even have those bumps on my forehead. My doting father used to tell me my head had to be huge and had bumps to hold all my brains in...of course, the big skull and the forehead came from him and he was, I'm sorry to say, both an arrogant and a vain man. There's nothing attractive about that kind of skull. Thank goodness I've always had so much hair on my head.


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    The accession number is PRJEB41240

    I just searched for it on ENA, and nothing comes up. Hopefully, they will get that fixed soon, so we can look at the raw data.

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    I never believed that something like this could happen.



    ADNmt
    Muestra Hg
    1S04 K1a1b1g
    1S06 U5a2b3
    1S07 J1c5
    1h13 K1a4a1
    1H14 H
    2M06 H2a2a1
    2S07 K1a4a1h
    2S10 H3
    2S11 J1c1
    2H17 U5b1i
    2HxC5x196x1131 X2b
    GBVPK J2b1a
    GBVPL J1c1
    GBVPO U5b3
    MAS15 H4a1a + 195
    ROUQCC T2c1d + 152
    ROUQEE H1 + 152
    ROUQFF V
    ROUQHH U2e1c1
    ROUQV H3
    ROUQW X2c1
    TORTC K1b1a
    TORTD K1a2a
    TORTE K1a2b
    TORTF H6a1a





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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    Nice������
    HgY
    1H07 I2a1b1b1
    1H13 I2a1b1b1
    2H07 H2a1a
    2H10 I2a1b1b1
    2H11 I2a1a1b1
    2H17 I2a1b1b1
    2HxC5x196x1131 I2a1b1b1
    GBVPK R1b1a1b1a1a2a1
    ROUQCC I2a1b1b
    ROUQFF I2a1a2
    ROUQHH I2a1b1b1
    ROUQW I2a1b1b1
    TORTD I2a1b1b1
    isogg 2018 or 2020 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur 2 View Post
    isogg 2018 or 2020 ?
    Have no idea
    The source by the way
    Is russian forum molgen


    p.s
    here are the sites in france from were the ancient dna samples
    were taken close to modern day reims and nimes in southwest france

    https://i.imgur.com/6Mub2oo.png
    Last edited by kingjohn; 13-01-21 at 15:38.

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