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Thread: The genomic history of the Aegean palatial civilizations.

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    Interesting thread. I saw from Angela's post #21 that Greece_MBA_LOG2 was fairly close to West_Sicily. My Eurogenes K13 and Dodecad Global 13 for these new samples. Both have Log_02 as my closest. Thanks to everyone for the sample coordinates. Cheers, PT.

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    11.48583911 Greece_MBA_Log02
    14.73128643 EBA:Greece_EBA_Kou03
    19.50930291 Greece_MBA_Log04
    22.06773890 Greece_MBA_Mik15
    22.15810687 EBA:Greece_EBA_Kou01
    22.18858265 Greece_EBA_Pta08

    Dodecad Global 13 Distances.

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    12.54329303 Log02
    17.71794853 Kou03
    18.67837520 Kou01
    19.27195890 Pta08
    19.46929891 Log04
    19.91225000 Mik15
    Last edited by Palermo Trapani; 17-01-21 at 18:53. Reason: additional information

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    Distance to: Greece_MBA_Log02 (Eurogenes K13 Updated)
    2.95259208 IT_Romagna
    3.13593686 Italian
    3.39331696 IT_Tuscan
    4.03905930 IT_Umbria
    4.20913293 IT_Lazio
    4.59830404 IT_Marche
    5.17323883 IT_Emilia
    5.83922940 Greek_Western-Thrace
    6.25199168 France_Corsica
    6.30203142 IT_Liguria
    7.10985935 Albanian_Tosk
    7.15717123 Torbesh_average
    7.33418025 Albanian
    7.70112329 Albanian_Gheg
    8.05681699 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
    8.20441497 Greek_Thessaly
    8.55922894 Greek_West_Macedonia
    8.96763068 IT_Lombardy
    9.04089044 Greek_Northeast
    9.31016112 Greek_West
    9.41627846 Greek
    9.44320920 IT_Veneto
    9.74846142 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    9.85988337 Greek_Peloponnese
    9.96484822 IT_Abruzzo
    10.32186030 IT_Piedmont
    10.48881786 Greek_Athens
    10.63293939 IT_Molise
    10.80119438 IT_Friuli-VG
    10.84329113 Macedonia_south
    10.90104582 Greek_Central
    10.91875451 IT_Basilicata
    10.98925839 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
    11.34386178 IT_Apulia
    11.55377428 MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE
    11.85947925 Macednia_north
    11.88318560 Greek_Cyclades
    12.26651132 Sicily
    12.35061132 France_Provence
    12.59483227 Greek_Andros_Island
    12.62022979 IT_Trentino
    12.63010689 Turk_Makedonya
    12.78509679 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
    13.45644455 Greek_Ionia
    13.47197090 IT_Campania
    13.65030036 Bulgaria_Southeastern
    13.69302012 Greek_Northern-Thrace
    13.92670815 Swiss-Italian2
    14.03085885 Bulgaria_Northeastern
    14.27838926 Swiss_Italian
    14.35592212 Turk_Crete
    14.44698584 Bulgaria_Southcentral
    14.55892166 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
    14.70167678 Bosniak_Sandzak
    14.82326212 Bulgaria_Southwestern


    Distance to: Greece_MBA_Log04 (K13 Updated)
    7.57147278 Bulgaria_Northeastern
    8.07289988 Macedonia_south
    8.21144932 MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE
    8.32564760 Macednia_north
    8.43821071 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
    8.53050409 Bulgaria_Southwestern
    8.63423998 Albanian_Gheg
    8.81241738 Bosniak_Sandzak
    8.87257009 Bulgaria_Southeastern
    8.98715750 IT_Friuli-VG
    9.16182296 Albanian
    9.22154542 Bulgaria_average
    9.29618739 Romania_Oltenia
    9.33978051 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
    9.43313310 Bulgaria_Southcentral
    9.44151471 Montenegrin
    9.46655692 Romania_Wallachia
    9.46857434 Torbesh_average
    9.52895062 Romania_Muntenia
    9.67906633 Greek_Thessaly
    9.68180768 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
    9.72142994 Greek_West_Macedonia
    9.73061149 Turk_Makedonya
    9.75858084 Bulgaria_Northcentral
    9.76761486 Romania_Dobruja
    9.77960633 Greek_Northeast
    10.08394764 Romania_Transylvania
    10.13963017 Romania_Banat
    10.29971844 IT_Veneto
    10.32259657 Romania_average
    10.38168580 Moldova_South
    10.40436927 Italian
    10.46156298 Albanian_Tosk
    10.50909606 Romania_Crisana
    10.93294105 IT_Emilia
    10.96091237 IT_Romagna
    11.02802339 Romania_Moldavia_South
    11.02851305 Greek
    11.03121480 Bulgaria_Northwestern
    11.06550948 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    11.33117381 Turk_Deliorman
    11.38935468 Greek_Western-Thrace
    11.42264855 Pomak_Bulgaria
    11.59688751 IT_Liguria
    11.61155028 Serb_south
    11.64934333 IT_Tuscan
    11.75539025 Greek_Northern-Thrace
    11.80457115 Greek_West
    11.99857492 IT_Trentino
    12.02124786 IT_Umbria
    12.26557785 France_Provence
    12.32908350 Greek_Peloponnese
    12.35167195 IT_Piedmont
    12.42856388 IT_Marche
    12.62712160 Pomak_Greece

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    Distance to: Greece_MBA_Mik15 (K13 Updated)
    18.52527193 Algerian_Jewish
    19.18064650 Moroccan_Jew
    19.47616492 Italian_Jewish
    22.04608582 Sephardic_Jewish
    22.59917919 Tunisian_Jewish
    22.62203572 Libyan_Jewish
    23.71164060 Greek_Symi_Island
    23.97507039 IT_Calabria
    24.41921375 Ashkenazi
    24.53356476 Algerian
    24.59106748 Malta
    24.89529875 Moldova_Jewish
    25.05905625 Sicily
    25.40192512 Sardinia
    25.45199992 Tunisian
    25.72141131 IT_Campania
    25.83348989 France_Corsica
    25.83513886 IT_Apulia
    25.94076136 Greek_North_Aegean
    25.96375936 IT_Molise
    26.32854345 IT_Abruzzo
    26.58362278 Greek_Dodecanese
    27.04873749 IT_Basilicata
    27.17688540 Greek_Crete
    27.57608565 Mozabite_Berber
    27.69486414 Greek_Cyclades
    27.77894886 IT_Lazio
    27.78684401 Greek_Cypriot
    27.81246663 Greek_Chios
    27.84034842 Turk_Cypriot
    27.84426871 Greek_Ionia
    27.93904973 Moroccan
    28.15080461 IT_Marche
    28.57076653 Greek_Athens
    28.77252856 IT_Umbria
    29.05162646 Greek_Western-Thrace
    29.32869244 IT_Romagna
    29.58719656 Greek_Central
    29.58854508 IT_Tuscan
    29.96353450 Greek_Andros_Island
    29.98509797 Italian
    30.57933453 Greek_Peloponnese
    30.62563795 Albanian_Tosk
    30.81097369 Greek_West
    31.20275789 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
    31.25588905 Samaritan
    31.65682075 Greek
    31.92177157 Torbesh_average
    31.95516234 IT_Emilia
    32.05251043 Greek_Thessaly
    32.08959800 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    32.20669185 Greek_West_Macedonia
    32.22759997 Albanian
    32.37750145 IT_Liguria
    32.50129074 Turk_Crete


    Distance to: Greece_EBA_Pta08
    16.32743091 Algerian_Jewish
    17.79478294 Italian_Jewish
    18.97246162 Moroccan_Jew
    19.81873861 Tunisian_Jewish
    19.92590776 Libyan_Jewish
    20.18929915 Sephardic_Jewish
    20.98549976 Greek_Symi_Island
    22.20946420 IT_Calabria
    22.56049202 Greek_Cypriot
    23.31849266 Ashkenazi
    23.36526696 Turk_Cypriot
    23.39491611 Malta
    23.52774107 Moldova_Jewish
    23.59130984 Greek_Dodecanese
    23.76282811 Greek_North_Aegean
    24.45126582 Sicily
    24.66351556 Greek_Chios
    24.71313011 Greek_Crete
    24.74700992 IT_Campania
    25.25267709 IT_Apulia
    25.68244731 IT_Molise
    25.69987549 Tunisian
    25.91040525 Samaritan
    26.13148484 Algerian
    26.26939093 IT_Abruzzo
    26.52989634 Greek_Ionia
    26.80699722 IT_Basilicata
    26.83872575 Greek_Cyclades
    27.73495628 Lebanese_Christian
    28.01497814 Greek_Athens
    28.45815876 Mozabite_Berber
    28.74555792 France_Corsica
    28.80092707 Moroccan
    28.95245240 Greek_Central
    29.17121355 Greek_Andros_Island
    29.27077211 IT_Lazio
    29.38614469 Lebanese_Muslim
    29.57332751 IT_Marche
    29.59593553 Greek_Cappadocian
    29.60140368 Greek_Western-Thrace
    29.74945546 Nusayri
    29.86855370 Sardinia
    30.18337125 Palestinian
    30.34125245 Syrian
    30.37890057 Greek_Peloponnese
    30.41623415 IT_Umbria
    30.58644471 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
    30.63102349 Lebanese_Druze
    30.79019649 Greek_West
    31.10842008 Jordanian
    31.11073287 IT_Romagna
    31.28155687 Albanian_Tosk
    31.34539679 Egyptian
    31.46955036 Turk_Crete
    31.60850518 Greek

    Distance to: EBA:Greece_EBA_Kou01
    16.19176643 Algerian_Jewish
    17.37221345 Italian_Jewish
    19.05658941 Moroccan_Jew
    19.43704453 Tunisian_Jewish
    19.70652937 Libyan_Jewish
    19.86622007 Sephardic_Jewish
    20.23696371 Greek_Symi_Island
    21.27427320 Greek_Cypriot
    21.80151830 IT_Calabria
    22.52201146 Turk_Cypriot
    22.86207340 Greek_Dodecanese
    23.07222139 Ashkenazi
    23.09889391 Moldova_Jewish
    23.20857385 Greek_North_Aegean
    23.23690599 Malta
    23.85880760 Greek_Chios
    24.09940456 Greek_Crete
    24.38222098 Sicily
    24.40497900 IT_Campania
    24.97725766 Samaritan
    25.07265842 IT_Apulia
    25.52829802 IT_Molise
    26.16213676 IT_Abruzzo
    26.19731093 Greek_Ionia
    26.47167354 Lebanese_Christian
    26.62341263 Greek_Cyclades
    26.71663152 IT_Basilicata
    27.11146805 Tunisian
    27.76614485 Algerian
    27.88783785 Greek_Athens
    28.14083687 Greek_Cappadocian
    28.29519040 Lebanese_Muslim
    28.54428489 Nusayri
    28.81220575 Greek_Central
    28.84652145 Greek_Andros_Island
    29.05404103 Lebanese_Druze
    29.51372562 France_Corsica
    29.55576424 IT_Lazio
    29.56914946 Palestinian
    29.60335116 Greek_Western-Thrace
    29.63970142 Syrian
    29.81333259 IT_Marche
    30.08778324 Mozabite_Berber
    30.32839429 Greek_Peloponnese
    30.45786105 Jordanian
    30.49133156 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
    30.62695382 Moroccan
    30.69436919 Greek_West
    30.72349589 IT_Umbria
    31.25585545 Turk_Crete
    31.38207291 Albanian_Tosk
    31.47223538 IT_Romagna
    31.58494420 Greek
    31.60622407 Sardinia
    31.61913661 Egyptian

    Distance to: EBA:Greece_EBA_Kou03
    10.46443501 Greek_Symi_Island
    11.04838450 Algerian_Jewish
    12.02086103 Italian_Jewish
    12.83948208 IT_Calabria
    12.99317513 Sephardic_Jewish
    13.23161744 Greek_Dodecanese
    13.74862175 Greek_Chios
    14.04495639 Greek_North_Aegean
    14.30644260 Moroccan_Jew
    14.37239020 Greek_Cypriot
    14.59525265 Tunisian_Jewish
    14.91607522 Malta
    15.06685435 Turk_Cypriot
    15.21940866 Libyan_Jewish
    15.22616170 Greek_Crete
    15.50515076 IT_Campania
    15.92317179 Sicily
    16.45927398 IT_Apulia
    17.25743028 IT_Molise
    17.30736837 Moldova_Jewish
    17.55569708 Ashkenazi
    17.75183371 Greek_Ionia
    17.98608351 Greek_Cyclades
    18.03984202 IT_Abruzzo
    18.16601497 IT_Basilicata
    18.36695947 Greek_Cappadocian
    20.03895706 Greek_Athens
    20.25081480 Greek_Andros_Island
    20.66184648 Nusayri
    20.85784505 Greek_Central
    21.06931655 Lebanese_Muslim
    21.61782366 Samaritan
    22.25397717 Greek_Western-Thrace
    22.35380281 IT_Lazio
    22.56213421 IT_Marche
    22.77767767 Lebanese_Christian
    22.87203970 Syrian
    23.06649952 Greek_Peloponnese
    23.21706700 Turk_Crete
    23.55934846 IT_Umbria
    23.72957648 Greek_West
    23.74524163 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
    23.82069269 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
    24.27133494 France_Corsica
    24.27986409 Greek
    24.74293232 Greek_West_Macedonia
    24.75341391 IT_Romagna
    24.76770074 Lebanese_Druze
    24.90026907 Albanian_Tosk
    25.14791443 Italian
    25.23202529 Greek_Istanbul
    25.34368560 Greek_Northeast
    25.35142994 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    25.58807926 Jordanian
    25.73555323 Palestinian

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    Eurogenes K13 Ancient Distances including new samples.

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    10.35133325 I9041_Greece_Mycenaean_3250_ybp
    10.48649608 I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_
    11.48583911 Greece_MBA_Log02
    14.73128643 EBA:Greece_EBA_Kou03
    14.96395001 I9010_Mycenaean_1351_bc_
    15.57234086 I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp
    16.94984071 I9005_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp
    19.50930291 Greece_MBA_Log04
    21.13371004 I0071_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp
    21.45854375 I0070_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp
    22.06773890 Greece_MBA_Mik15
    22.15810687 EBA:Greece_EBA_Kou01
    22.18858265 Greece_EBA_Pta08
    24.17464374 I0074_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp
    25.24808706 I0073_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp

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    Distance to: TorzioK13
    8.23627950 Greece_MBA:Greece_MBA_Log04
    9.48179835 Greece_MBA:Greece_MBA_Log02
    15.38939895 Bulgaria_EBA:I2520_Bulgaria_EBA_5132_ybp
    19.74614140 Bulgaria_Thracian:I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp
    24.15514852 Greece_Mycenaean:I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_
    26.44129914 Early_Slav:I4137_Czech_Early_Slav_dup.I4137.SG_123 5_ybp
    27.56939426 Greece_Mycenaean:I9041_Greece_Mycenaean_3250_ybp
    27.80769857 Early_Slav:AV1_Hungary_Avar_1361_ybp
    28.76452503 Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2430_Bulgaria_Late_C_6448_yb p
    29.51368157 Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2431_Bulgaria_Middle_C_6615_ ybp
    30.38001152 Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2425_Bulgaria_Late_C_6515_yb p
    32.62742865 Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2424_Bulgaria_Late_C_6304_yb p
    32.80998019 Greece_Mycenaean:I9010_Mycenaean_1351_bc_
    33.80039645 Greece_Mycenaean:I9006_Greece_Mycenaean_3287_ybp
    33.95007364 Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2519_Bulgaria_C_6242_ybp
    34.30244743 Greece_Minoan:I9005_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p
    35.81743011 Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2509_Bulgaria_C_6353_ybp
    36.13575238 Bulgaria_EBA:I2510_Bulgaria_EBA_4758_ybp
    36.16931434 Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2423_Bulgaria_Late_C_6388_yb p
    36.61578212 Bulgaria_Calcolithic:I2427_Bulgaria_Late_C_6340_yb p
    37.47596163 Greece_MBA:Greece_MBA_Mik15
    38.65021475 Greece_Minoan:I0071_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p
    39.25780050 Greece_Minoan:I0070_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_yb p
    39.86464850 Greece_EBA:Greece_EBA_Pta08
    39.94054206 Anatolia_EBA:MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp



    Log04 and Log02 have a little bit of baltic in them , others do not
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4p
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1-Y33791
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    Target: Helladic_MBA:Log04
    Distance: 2.4194% / 0.02419401
    52.2 UKR_N_o
    45.8 Yamnaya_UKR
    1.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.8 GEO_CHG
    0.0 Baltic_LVA_HG
    0.0 IberomaurusianMAR_Taforalt
    0.0 Indian
    0.0 Levant_Natufian
    0.0 Nganassan
    0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
    0.0 West_African
    0.0 WHG

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    Target: Helladic_MBA:Log02
    Distance: 1.6277% / 0.01627748 | R3P
    48.0 HUN_Starcevo_N
    34.6 RUS_Afanasievo
    17.4 BGR_Middle_C



    Target: Helladic_MBA:Log04
    Distance: 1.9000% / 0.01899977 | R3P
    41.4 BGR_Middle_C
    38.4 RUS_Catacomb
    20.2 TUR_Kumtepe_N

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Target: Helladic_MBA:Log04
    Distance: 2.4194% / 0.02419401
    52.2 UKR_N_o
    45.8 Yamnaya_UKR
    1.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.8 GEO_CHG
    0.0 Baltic_LVA_HG
    0.0 IberomaurusianMAR_Taforalt
    0.0 Indian
    0.0 Levant_Natufian
    0.0 Nganassan
    0.0 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
    0.0 West_African
    0.0 WHG
    Whoever did that it's absolute nonsense. The highest steppe in these samples is 46%. What kind of junk are people passing around?


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    Code:
    Eurogenes K15 Greece_MBA_Log02,15.11,18.45,7.99,3.31,20.66,10.7,19.07,2.98,0,0,0,0.67,1.03,0,0
    
    Dodecad K12 Greece_MBA_Log02,2.53,0.15,1.68,0.18,32.54,23.27,0.11,0,8.18,0,29.93,1.43 
    Distance to: Greece_MBA_Log02 (Eurogenes K15 Updated)
    3.76558096 Italy_Tuscany
    3.77898134 Tuscan
    3.78802059 Italy_Emiliaromagna
    4.89200368 Italy_Marche
    5.33719964 Italy_Lazio
    5.63260153 Italy_Liguria
    6.26850062 Albanian-Kosovo
    6.87065499 Albanian-North
    7.36548709 Albanian-South
    7.36694645 France_Corsica
    7.57181249 Kosovo_Albanian
    7.88827611 Albanian-Macedonia
    8.87777562 Italy_Friuli
    9.21531877 Italy_Lombardy
    9.28511712 Italy_Veneto
    9.46489303 Greek_Thessaly
    10.48424055 Macedonian_2
    10.58160196 Greek
    10.64288201 GR_Peloponese
    10.76678225 West_Sicilian
    11.18683154 French_Provence
    11.20422688 Sicily_Syracuse
    11.53098001 Italy_Abruzzo
    11.71002562 Sicily_Trapani
    11.85638646 Italy_Trentino
    12.02191748 Italy_Piedmont
    12.05463811 Italy_Apulia
    12.61307699 GR_Macedonia
    12.61705592 Central_Greek
    12.67064324 Sicily_Ragusa
    12.81996880 East_Sicilian
    13.42595620 Sicily_Caltanisetta
    13.66946597 Romania_South
    13.74886637 Macedonian
    13.77379396 Gagauz
    13.80185857 Sicily_Palermo
    13.82074166 Bulgarian
    14.21634271 Bulgarian_Thracian
    14.24384779 Sicily_Enna
    14.27539842 Italy_Campania
    14.40676577 Italy_Central_Sicily
    14.53421481 Romanian
    14.74744309 Montenegrin
    14.80781888 Italy_West_Sicily
    14.81654818 Sicily_Agrigento
    14.84630594 Ashkenazi
    14.98650393 South_Serbian
    15.08337164 Romania_Sw
    15.16876396 Romania_Se
    15.49020336 Sicily_Catania
    16.24043411 Sicily_Messina
    16.26365273 Portuguese
    16.40358193 Spanish_Extremadura
    16.48697365 Italy_East_Sicily
    16.75862465 Greek_Crete


    Distance to: Greece_MBA_Log02 (Dodecad K12 Updated)
    4.81965766 Albanian
    5.71058666 Italian_Romagna
    5.99226168 Albanian_Kosovo
    6.11173461 Italian_Lazio
    6.20779349 Greek_Thessaly
    6.38098738 Greek_Thrace
    6.47777307 Italian_Marche
    6.97821610 Greek_Thessaloniki
    7.55721510 Italian_Tuscany
    8.04519111 Greek_Peloponnese
    8.27799493 Greek_Athens
    8.32700426 Greek_Central
    8.62515507 Italian_Emilia
    8.92029708 Bulgarian_Thrace
    8.95997768 Italian_Liguria
    10.06699558 Italian_Veneto
    10.11353054 Turk_Makedonya
    10.38715553 Italian_Abruzzo
    10.47544825 France_Corsica
    10.83237278 Italian_Lombardy
    10.91127399 Greek_Macedonia
    11.03433278 Italian_Friuli_VG
    11.13983393 Italian_Piedmont
    11.20190609 Italian_Apulia
    11.33250193 Greek_Foca
    11.41070988 Bulgarian_East
    11.74533950 MD_Gagauz
    12.66728858 Bulgarian_Central
    12.82154047 Greek_Lemnos
    12.82877235 Italian_Campania
    13.14711755 Bulgarian_West
    13.39951492 MD_South
    13.45734744 Pomak_Bulgaria
    13.46283078 Swiss_Italian
    13.52902805 Italian_Sicily
    13.58800574 Macedonian
    13.79490848 Italian_Trentino
    13.95522125 Romanian
    14.21530161 Pomak_Greece
    14.28422206 Turk_Trakya
    14.59007539 Turk_Deliorman
    14.94003347 Ashkenazi_Jews
    15.22965200 MD_Jewish
    15.34918565 Montenegrin
    15.48070735 Greek_Izmir
    16.06448256 Italian_Calabria
    16.77191700 Greek_Fournoi
    17.50190561 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    17.95560358 Greek_Crete
    18.98602381 Spanish_Canarias
    19.11040816 Serb
    19.27879405 Greek_Icaria
    19.39444508 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
    19.49657406 Spanish_Baleares
    19.70369762 Italian_Jews

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    Eurogenes G25

    Code:
     Scaled
    
    Cycladic_EBA:Kou01,0.113823,0.176702,-0.018479,-0.088179,0.02462,-0.039602,-0.00094,-0.007154,0.011249,0.053942,0.008119,0.013788,-0.017542,0.012799,-0.026601,-0.016574,0.004955,0.004561,0.01169,-0.016133,-0.007736,-0.002968,0.000123,0.00723,-0.000479
    Cycladic_EBA:Kou03,0.108132,0.159438,-0.02225,-0.07106,0.013233,-0.032351,-0.00517,-0.006231,0.000409,0.045377,0.005359,0.015586,-0.022299,-0.002477,-0.024565,0.003713,0.026468,0.00076,0.007416,-0.006878,-0.008859,-0.001484,0.002218,-0.001084,-0.006227
    Helladic_MBA:Log02,0.117238,0.153345,0.01961,-0.019057,0.02739,-0.013945,-0.00235,-0.003461,0.003068,0.025878,-0.000162,0.005695,-0.015015,0.000275,-0.014251,-0.012596,-0.005476,0.00152,0.00264,-0.002126,-0.010357,0.000989,0.006286,-0.000602,-0.002754
    Helladic_MBA:Log04,0.119514,0.141159,0.026776,-0.001292,0.01908,-0.001673,-0.00611,-0.002538,-0.007567,0.008018,0.003573,0.014687,-0.011744,0.001651,-0.003529,-0.011535,-0.004042,-0.002154,0.008799,-0.014632,-0.010606,0.004451,0.003451,0.005784,-0.005029
    Helladic_EBA:Mik15,0.110408,0.176702,0.001131,-0.084949,0.030159,-0.031794,-0.002585,-0.004615,0.029042,0.065605,0.003085,0.009292,-0.019475,0.003716,-0.03013,-0.017502,0.008736,0.005194,0.009302,-0.017884,-0.009234,0.002349,-0.001849,0.006868,-0.004071
    Minoan_EBA:Pta08,0.112685,0.168578,-0.018102,-0.089471,0.026774,-0.034861,0.00282,-0.003461,0.022702,0.057404,0.009256,0.008542,-0.018434,0.007569,-0.033251,-0.024529,0.000261,0.003421,0.009176,-0.009004,-0.008235,0.007543,-0.005053,-0.003253,0.002515
    Distance to: Helladic_MBA:Log02
    0.02523331 Greek_Thessaly
    0.02642431 Italian_Tuscany
    0.02680568 Italian_Piedmont
    0.02711457 Italian_Lombardy
    0.02791138 Italian_Marche
    0.02845305 Italian_Liguria
    0.02943631 Albanian
    0.03011735 French_Corsica
    0.03103996 Italian_Umbria
    0.03223088 Greek_Macedonia
    0.03232640 Italian_Bergamo
    0.03374879 Italian_Lazio
    0.03421376 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.03432588 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.03546127 Swiss_Italian
    0.03594062 Italian_Veneto
    0.03611853 Italian_Abruzzo
    0.03699253 Italian_Molise
    0.03787082 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.03938887 Italian_Apulia
    0.03939264 Rumelia_East
    0.03941018 Macedonian:Central
    0.04241476 Greek_Izmir
    0.04333878 Greek_Laconia
    0.04359595 Italian_Northeast
    0.04365836 Italian_Basilicata
    0.04399883 Sicilian_West
    0.04454211 Macedonian:Pelagonia1
    0.04503405 Spanish_Menorca
    0.04545647 Macedonian:Northwest
    0.04546896 Sicilian_East
    0.04573501 Macedonian:Southeast
    0.04670852 Gagauz
    0.04707098 Italian_Campania
    0.04808248 Macedonian:East2
    0.04822838 Spanish_Baleares
    0.04848134 Spanish_Eivissa
    0.04869347 Spanish_Mallorca
    0.04899510 Bulgarian
    0.05088327 French_Provence
    0.05148620 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
    0.05202754 Spanish_Murcia
    0.05215984 Maltese
    0.05230830 Italian_Calabria
    0.05242603 Spanish_Extremadura
    0.05248531 Spanish_Andalucia
    0.05299183 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
    0.05301696 Macedonian:East1
    0.05333724 Portuguese
    0.05349866 Romanian
    0.05357838 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    0.05361639 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
    0.05416657 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
    0.05446682 Ashkenazi_Russia
    0.05449029 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona


    Distance to: Helladic_MBA:Log04
    0.03337994 Macedonian:Pelagonia1
    0.03473317 Greek_Thessaly
    0.03494436 Macedonian:East2
    0.03679269 Gagauz
    0.03685512 Greek_Macedonia
    0.03807272 Italian_Northeast
    0.03838581 Italian_Piedmont
    0.03843968 Albanian
    0.03851571 Bulgarian
    0.03906968 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.03926574 Macedonian:Central
    0.04001684 Romanian
    0.04047764 Italian_Veneto
    0.04068234 Swiss_Italian
    0.04084777 Rumelia_East
    0.04159919 Italian_Liguria
    0.04189718 Italian_Lombardy
    0.04201872 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.04303498 Italian_Bergamo
    0.04311134 Italian_Tuscany
    0.04421022 Macedonian:Northwest
    0.04428248 Macedonian:Southeast
    0.04582923 French_Provence
    0.04667105 Serbian
    0.04674458 Italian_Marche
    0.04677877 Montenegrin
    0.04792880 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.04882086 Macedonian:East1
    0.04925889 Italian_Umbria
    0.05015927 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    0.05172263 Moldovan
    0.05270845 Spanish_Mallorca
    0.05281949 Swiss_French
    0.05298287 Italian_Molise
    0.05363029 Swiss_German
    0.05375571 Spanish_Baleares
    0.05423592 French_Corsica
    0.05442753 Spanish_Eivissa
    0.05488245 Turkish_Deliorman
    0.05492221 Spanish_Menorca
    0.05512859 Italian_Abruzzo
    0.05517734 French_Alsace
    0.05583527 French_Auvergne
    0.05583557 Italian_Lazio
    0.05596100 Greek_Izmir
    0.05697630 Spanish_Penedes
    0.05707534 Spanish_Girona
    0.05788032 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
    0.05814320 Bosnian
    0.05855480 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
    0.05867200 French_Nord
    0.05915712 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
    0.05963272 Italian_Apulia
    0.06001138 Spanish_Alacant
    0.06004219 French_Occitanie


    Distance to: Cycladic_EBA:Kou01
    0.07590415 Cypriot_B
    0.07604349 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.07669554 Italian_Jew
    0.07745765 Romaniote_Jew
    0.07783882 Italian_Calabria
    0.07869598 Greek_Kos
    0.07878945 Italian_Campania
    0.07989198 Sephardic_Jew
    0.07995099 Sicilian_East
    0.08036046 Italian_Apulia
    0.08055665 Cypriot
    0.08178649 Italian_Basilicata
    0.08308932 Greek_Crete
    0.08384985 Ashkenazi_Germany
    0.08536558 Maltese
    0.08647964 Italian_Abruzzo
    0.08746155 Tunisian_Jew
    0.08760472 Italian_Molise
    0.08791223 Italian_Lazio
    0.08946731 Greek_Izmir
    0.08951182 Greek_Laconia
    0.08964250 Sicilian_West
    0.09033844 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.09156203 Ashkenazi_Poland
    0.09175135 Moroccan_Jew
    0.09186866 Libyan_Jew
    0.09277910 Italian_Marche
    0.09306349 Syrian_Jew
    0.09313099 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.09336534 Lebanese_Christian_Greek_Orthodox
    0.09350530 Italian_Umbria
    0.09351215 Lebanese_Christian
    0.09424352 Lebanese_Christian_Maronite
    0.09450008 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
    0.09526028 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
    0.09547685 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.09573638 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
    0.09625135 Sardinian
    0.09641683 Ashkenazi_Russia
    0.09743676 French_Corsica
    0.09822865 Druze
    0.09989781 Italian_Tuscany
    0.09991362 Samaritan
    0.10077235 Lebanese_Druze
    0.10085671 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.10103523 Karaite_Egypt
    0.10183466 Greek_Thessaly
    0.10509591 Albanian
    0.10728483 Greek_Macedonia
    0.10749670 Lebanese_Muslim
    0.10794570 Italian_Piedmont
    0.10909332 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.10959279 Italian_Lombardy
    0.11154791 Rumelia_East
    0.11165440 Armenian_B


    Distance to: Cycladic_EBA:Kou03
    0.05204134 Greek_Kos
    0.05385652 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.05480986 Cypriot_B
    0.05680599 Italian_Calabria
    0.05856668 Italian_Campania
    0.05971432 Romaniote_Jew
    0.06059452 Italian_Jew
    0.06078801 Italian_Basilicata
    0.06180311 Greek_Crete
    0.06216075 Italian_Apulia
    0.06230512 Cypriot
    0.06317933 Ashkenazi_Germany
    0.06476211 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.06480381 Sephardic_Jew
    0.06506609 Sicilian_East
    0.06632712 Greek_Izmir
    0.06704354 Maltese
    0.06706089 Italian_Abruzzo
    0.06824511 Italian_Molise
    0.06931194 Greek_Laconia
    0.07018232 Italian_Lazio
    0.07288819 Italian_Umbria
    0.07298538 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
    0.07331913 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.07365125 Ashkenazi_Poland
    0.07366501 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
    0.07405214 Sicilian_West
    0.07512460 Syrian_Jew
    0.07556403 Moroccan_Jew
    0.07595047 Ashkenazi_Russia
    0.07654973 Italian_Marche
    0.07661637 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
    0.07669265 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.07690939 Tunisian_Jew
    0.07785186 Lebanese_Christian
    0.07818188 Lebanese_Christian_Greek_Orthodox
    0.07843023 Libyan_Jew
    0.07868837 Druze
    0.07884641 Lebanese_Christian_Maronite
    0.08174797 Lebanese_Druze
    0.08202996 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.08219148 Italian_Tuscany
    0.08333150 French_Corsica
    0.08456778 Greek_Thessaly
    0.08722587 Karaite_Egypt
    0.08742032 Albanian
    0.08838596 Lebanese_Muslim
    0.08881193 Armenian_B
    0.08979301 Turkish_Trabzon
    0.08989309 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.09064673 Rumelia_East
    0.09144232 Greek_Macedonia
    0.09260476 Italian_Piedmont
    0.09373045 Greek_Trabzon
    0.09511237 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia


    Distance to: Helladic_EBA:Mik15
    0.07397421 Sardinian
    0.08414964 Italian_Calabria
    0.08465636 Italian_Campania
    0.08497520 Italian_Jew
    0.08526022 Sicilian_East
    0.08537033 Italian_Apulia
    0.08669518 Italian_Basilicata
    0.08765681 Italian_Lazio
    0.08867735 Maltese
    0.08882200 Romaniote_Jew
    0.08947458 Sephardic_Jew
    0.08948834 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.08964486 Italian_Abruzzo
    0.09044171 French_Corsica
    0.09055579 Ashkenazi_Germany
    0.09057000 Sicilian_West
    0.09070700 Italian_Molise
    0.09142735 Greek_Kos
    0.09187913 Greek_Laconia
    0.09247294 Cypriot_B
    0.09293438 Italian_Umbria
    0.09307799 Italian_Marche
    0.09320012 Greek_Crete
    0.09488329 Greek_Izmir
    0.09614535 Tunisian_Jew
    0.09696668 Cypriot
    0.09702718 Moroccan_Jew
    0.09716544 Ashkenazi_Poland
    0.09758630 Italian_Tuscany
    0.09794467 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.09956599 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
    0.10035030 Libyan_Jew
    0.10063262 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
    0.10146093 Ashkenazi_Russia
    0.10161478 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
    0.10237677 Greek_Thessaly
    0.10369462 Italian_Lombardy
    0.10406674 Italian_Piedmont
    0.10462846 Albanian
    0.10603333 Italian_Bergamo
    0.10814912 Syrian_Jew
    0.10872759 Italian_Liguria
    0.10878346 Greek_Macedonia
    0.10913322 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.10916323 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.10961357 Swiss_Italian
    0.11083834 Lebanese_Christian
    0.11182549 Lebanese_Christian_Greek_Orthodox
    0.11260793 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.11270585 Lebanese_Christian_Maronite
    0.11304394 Rumelia_East
    0.11393672 Italian_Veneto
    0.11495301 Spanish_Menorca
    0.11551928 Druze
    0.11587821 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour


    Distance to: Minoan_EBA:Pta08
    0.07794846 Italian_Jew
    0.07888632 Romaniote_Jew
    0.07966648 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.08001202 Cypriot_B
    0.08029646 Italian_Calabria
    0.08085760 Sicilian_East
    0.08124932 Italian_Campania
    0.08180170 Sephardic_Jew
    0.08291480 Italian_Apulia
    0.08321596 Greek_Kos
    0.08375053 Cypriot
    0.08429738 Italian_Basilicata
    0.08538057 Ashkenazi_Germany
    0.08657638 Greek_Crete
    0.08690987 Maltese
    0.08819190 Tunisian_Jew
    0.08870051 Italian_Abruzzo
    0.08913941 Italian_Lazio
    0.08930199 Sicilian_West
    0.08979417 Italian_Molise
    0.08995290 Sardinian
    0.09259749 Greek_Izmir
    0.09262980 Ashkenazi_Poland
    0.09272088 Greek_Laconia
    0.09292286 Libyan_Jew
    0.09328395 Moroccan_Jew
    0.09466288 Italian_Marche
    0.09557428 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
    0.09570491 Italian_Umbria
    0.09610834 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.09641777 Syrian_Jew
    0.09658196 Lebanese_Christian
    0.09668734 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
    0.09685229 Lebanese_Christian_Greek_Orthodox
    0.09729297 French_Corsica
    0.09743143 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.09753704 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
    0.09762716 Greek_Peloponnese
    0.09768439 Ashkenazi_Russia
    0.09775410 Lebanese_Christian_Maronite
    0.10103884 Samaritan
    0.10129367 Druze
    0.10154348 Italian_Tuscany
    0.10283865 Karaite_Egypt
    0.10395822 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.10400532 Greek_Thessaly
    0.10421546 Lebanese_Druze
    0.10661488 Albanian
    0.10867229 Greek_Macedonia
    0.10892293 Italian_Piedmont
    0.10960258 Lebanese_Muslim
    0.10964491 Italian_Lombardy
    0.11079269 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.11351051 Italian_Bergamo
    0.11352478 Italian_Liguria

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    Target: Helladic_MBA:Log02
    Distance: 2.8273% / 0.02827337 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    63.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    34.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    1.6 WHG


    Target: Helladic_MBA:Log04
    Distance: 3.2335% / 0.03233510 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    54.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    45.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


    Target: Cycladic_EBA:Kou01
    Distance: 3.2808% / 0.03280773 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    84.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    8.2 GEO_CHG
    7.8 IRN_Wezmeh_N


    Target: Cycladic_EBA:Kou03
    Distance: 1.6772% / 0.01677226 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    73.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    12.2 IRN_Seh_Gabi_LN
    9.2 GEO_CHG
    5.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara



    Target: Helladic_EBA:Mik15
    Distance: 2.7598% / 0.02759813 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    88.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    6.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    4.6 IRN_Wezmeh_N


    Target: Minoan_EBA:Pta08
    Distance: 3.0579% / 0.03057867 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    82.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
    8.8 GEO_CHG
    5.2 IRN_Wezmeh_N
    4.0 Levant_Natufian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Correction, Log02 does have some small connections to the Lazaridis et al. 2017 paper. She is the one that clusters with Tuscans. Though I would say, this sample also looks a lot more "Illyrian" to me. Once again, strong connections to Italy.
    Log02 is from Kozani, Western Macedonia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kozani_(regional_unit)

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    mine using G25 scaled

    Distance to:
    0.03616684 Helladic_MBA__Log04_scaled
    0.03786616 Helladic_MBA__Log02_scaled
    0.11499904 Cycladic_EBA__Kou03_scaled
    0.11871845 Helladic_EBA__Mik15_scaled
    0.12309355 Minoan_EBA__Pta08_scaled
    0.12395859 Cycladic_EBA__Kou01_scaled




    according to others Log02 is

    Helladic_MBA__Log02 can be modeled as:
    50.00 % HUN_Protoboleraz_LCA__I2791
    + 25.00 % TUR_Ikiztepe_LC__IKI009
    + 25.00 % Corded_Ware_Baltic_early__I4629 0.016017

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    It's very odd. I'm assuming that's based on coordinates from the paper. It would be helpful if someone would provide them because I can't find an archaeological site named Logkas anywhere in Macedonia.

    The closest I come is Logas in northern Corfu where there is indeed a Middle Bronze Age site.

    Maybe it's a very new site and so isn't yet on any list of archaeological sites in Macedonia. What I did find is the arrival of Mycenaean artifacts in the Late Bronze Age, perhaps indicating influence from the south.

    https://archeorient.hypotheses.org/11282

    http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...:entry=kerkyra

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    This makes sense, Log02 and Log04 were probably Proto-Greek while those Cycladic were what Herodotus labelled the Pre-Greek people as Pelasgian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Progon View Post
    This makes sense, Log02 and Log04 were probably Proto-Greek while those Cycladic were what Herodotus labelled the Pre-Greek people as Pelasgian.
    Where is e-v13 in the generall picture
    ( assuming the ancient sample number would have been larger than 11 it would be found)
    Is it proto-greek or pelasgian in greece ?


    P.s
    Nice to see that pta08 in g25 davidski calculator
    Still cluster with some western jewish groups
    Italian jews, romaniots
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-FGC7391/

    https://yfull.com/mtree/H3ap/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    It's very odd. I'm assuming that's based on coordinates from the paper. It would be helpful if someone would provide them because I can't find an archaeological site named Logkas anywhere in Macedonia.

    The closest I come is Logas in northern Corfu where there is indeed a Middle Bronze Age site.

    Maybe it's a very new site and so isn't yet on any list of archaeological sites in Macedonia. What I did find is the arrival of Mycenaean artifacts in the Late Bronze Age, perhaps indicating influence from the south.

    https://archeorient.hypotheses.org/11282

    http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...:entry=kerkyra

    Maybe this, Loggas rather than Logkas

    "An extensive Mycenaean cemetery with 31 undisturbed burials containing numerous items of jewellery and several different types of ceramic vases, including 12 ornate Mycenaean drinking cups or kylikes, has been unearthed by Greek archaeologists at the Loggas site near Elati in Kozani (Macedonia), a short distance from ancient Aiani."

    https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogs...-in-large.html

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    mine via vahadour with these new samples just added


    Distance to: TorzioK13
    4.01337763 R105_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity
    4.43023701 I7043_Hungary_BA_4000_ybp
    5.30078296 R1_Abruzzo_Teramo_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy .................Liburnian
    5.70971103 I5524_Germany_Bell_Beaker_4250_ybp
    5.75789892 R33_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy
    6.02713033 NW54_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1491_ybp
    6.53943423 STR535_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1491_ybp
    6.89267002 I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp ............................Dalmatian
    6.93354166 I4332_Croatia_MBA_3516_ybp ...............................Dalmatian
    7.14688044 R55_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
    7.21058250 I4331_Croatia_MBA_3526_ybp ..............................Dalmatian
    7.21271793 CL36_longobard_north_italy
    7.38786843 RISE483_Hungary_Vatya.SG_3700_ybp
    7.53441438 SZ28_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
    7.58433913 R1221_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy
    7.62021653 DA195_Hungary_Scythian.SG_2553_ybp
    7.67914709 I5759_Switzerland_Bell_Beaker_4178_ybp
    7.70903366 SZ36_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
    7.71743481 CL49_longobard_north_italy
    7.97612688 col001_col001_
    8.04037934 E09538_Germany_Germany_Bell_Beaker_Augsburg_4288_y bp
    8.11592262 R61_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy
    8.23627950 Greece_MBA_Log04
    8.23907155 I2165_Bulgaria_EBA_4908_ybp
    8.27548790 I7040_Hungary_BA_4300_ybp


    best for myself of these new is in red

    Blue is BC times

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    Maybe this, Loggas rather than Logkas

    "An extensive Mycenaean cemetery with 31 undisturbed burials containing numerous items of jewellery and several different types of ceramic vases, including 12 ornate Mycenaean drinking cups or kylikes, has been unearthed by Greek archaeologists at the Loggas site near Elati in Kozani (Macedonia), a short distance from ancient Aiani."

    https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogs...-in-large.html
    Well, the Mycenaean Era is usually dated starting from around 1600 BC. These are older by 200 years. Maybe they found older burials? But if that's the case why on earth didn't they compare the older burials to those firmly in the Mycenaean period? Then we'd know if there were any changes as Mycenaean influences moved north, yes?

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    Stop the presses everyone, the academic authority of ifunny.co has determined that Proto-Greeks have been found by quasi-neo nazi meme fatwa...

    In fact, it is one of the only search items which appear to say so.

    https://ifunny.co/meme/the-genomic-h...-sra-jNctt8dI8

    Seriously, though.

    We need to see the paper, and know about the archeological context.

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    Why am I not surprised?

    To the premise, I'd say maybe, and maybe we found Illyrian like people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Stop the presses everyone, the academic authority of ifunny.co has determined that Proto-Greeks have been found by quasi-neo nazi meme fatwa...

    In fact, it is one of the only search items which appear to say so.


    Seriously, though.

    We need to see the paper, and know about the archeological context.
    who/what is ifunny?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur 2 View Post
    who/what is ifunny?
    Some kind of meme website, it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Stop the presses everyone, the academic authority of ifunny.co has determined that Proto-Greeks have been found by quasi-neo nazi meme fatwa...

    In fact, it is one of the only search items which appear to say so.

    https://ifunny.co/meme/the-genomic-h...-sra-jNctt8dI8

    Seriously, though.

    We need to see the paper, and know about the archeological context.

    Bummer
    So it was to good to be true.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Why am I not surprised?

    To the premise, I'd say maybe, and maybe we found Illyrian like people.
    This is what I think, given the closer connection to those types of samples. Rather than affinity to the Myceneans by Mycenae.

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