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    Curious about Result implications

    23andme gives me I-Y3118 as the paternal haplogroup.

    For context: My parents were born and raised in Northwestern Moldova. My DNA results give me 59% Eastern European (overwhelmingly Masovia and some of southeastern Poland, alongside western Ukraine in general, with Zakarpattia, Lviv and such), 27% Southern European (overwhelmingly Transylvanian Romanian) and 12% Ashkenazi Jewish.

    As far as I understand, the I2 haplogroup is associated with indigenous european populations (Cro-magnon), but it can differ a fair lot amongst itself (I2a2 and I2a1, for example). So, I wonder: what kind of implications does it have about my origins, and what sort of general interesting information is there about my haplogroup?



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    Quote Originally Posted by toteu View Post
    Interesant rezultat. Insa haplogrupul Y nu iti spune decat ca ai avut un stramos care avea acel haplogrup cu multe zeci si sute de generatii in urma. De atunci insa este cel mai probabil ca din restul adn-ului autozomal al stramosului antic, tu nu mai mostenesti mai mult decat ai in comun cu orice alta persoana, fiindca in numai 10 generatii adn-ul autozomal al stramosului respectiv, s-a divizt de peste 1 milion de ori iar in 20 de generatii... de peste un miliard de ori si teoretic nu mai ramane nimic semnificativ ca sa se potriveasca perfect cu secventele tale de adn. Si chiar daca te compari cu alta persoana cu acelas stramos I-Y3118 este probabil sa nu gasesti mai multa asemanare decat cu o persoana cu alt haplogrup.
    Given the moderator posts, I'll respond in English.

    Yes, I am perfectly aware that haplogroup mostly denotes lineage, and not most to any of the traits associated with autosomal DNA. Nonetheless, I was curious in discovering any interesting facts about said lineage and its history, and what kind of ethno-genetic and/or cultural group it might be/might've been associated with. I am aware that it is not generally indicative of features or genetic makeup.

    Thanks for the reply!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parhypostasis View Post
    23andme gives me I-Y3118 as the paternal haplogroup.

    For context: My parents were born and raised in Northwestern Moldova. My DNA results give me 59% Eastern European (overwhelmingly Masovia and some of southeastern Poland, alongside western Ukraine in general, with Zakarpattia, Lviv and such), 27% Southern European (overwhelmingly Transylvanian Romanian) and 12% Ashkenazi Jewish.

    As far as I understand, the I2 haplogroup is associated with indigenous european populations (Cro-magnon), but it can differ a fair lot amongst itself (I2a2 and I2a1, for example). So, I wonder: what kind of implications does it have about my origins, and what sort of general interesting information is there about my haplogroup?

    cool results
    nice do you think the 12% ascenazi ancestery came from your polish side or ukranian side ?
    i ask becasue many poles are obssesed with jewish ancestery ( from the bad side )
    ukranians less so ...
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    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...NA.shtml#I2a1b

    The high concentration of I2a1b-L621 in north-east Romania, Moldova and central Ukraine reminds of the maximum spread of the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture (4800-3000 BCE). No Y-DNA sample from this culture has been tested to date, but as it evolved as an offshoot from the Starčevo–Kőrös–Criş culture, it is likely that I2a was one of its main paternal lineages, and a founder effect could have increased considerably its frequency.
    I believe this was written some time ago. Have any Y-DNA samples from the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture been tested since? I believe that the issue was a lack of burial sites (cremation?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    cool results
    nice do you think the 12% ascenazi ancestery came from your polish side or ukranian side ?
    i ask becasue many poles are obssesed with jewish ancestery ( from the bad side )
    ukranians less so ...
    Hey, thank you!

    I believe it came from the Ukrainian side, because my mother's (Jewish) grandmother was born and raised in Odessa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toteu View Post
    4 ancient human remains from the Cucuteni culture were analyzed and all are G: I1926 G2a2b2a-P303, I2110 G2a2b2a-P303, I2111 G2a, I1927 G2a2b2a1a1b1a1a1-L42
    Hmm, interesting. I wonder what ancient groups/cultures had a pervasive I2 presence, then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parhypostasis View Post
    Hmm, interesting. I wonder what ancient groups/cultures had a pervasive I2 presence, then.
    The Balkans, which was where many I2's hung out during the Last Glacial Maximum.

    Haplogroup I2a1b-L621

    This branch is found overwhelmingly in Slavic countries. Its maximum frequencies are observed among the Dinaric Slavs (Slovenes, Croats, Bosniaks, Serbs, Montenegrins and Macedonians) as well as in Bulgaria, Romania, Moldavia, western Ukraine and Belarus. It is also common to a lower extent in Albania, Greece, Hungary, Slovakia, Poland, and south-western Russia. I2-L621 (L147.2+) is also known as as I2a-Din (for Dinaric).
    Haplogroup_I2a.gif

    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I2_Y-DNA.shtml#I2a1b


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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyDonkey View Post
    The Balkans, which was where many I2's hung out during the Last Glacial Maximum.



    Haplogroup_I2a.gif

    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I2_Y-DNA.shtml#I2a1b

    Zero ancient i2a-din has been found in balkans, it was likely in East Europe/South Russia at the time and moved to balkans in middle ages

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    Quote Originally Posted by toteu View Post
    lol! There are more than 80 analyzes on ancient remains that show that the I2a1b haplogroup was numerous throughout south-western, central and north-western Europe, after the entry into the Balkans of farmers carrying the G2a haplogroup! I'm curious when this perpetual nonsense with the haplogroup I2a1b that is brought by the "russians" or slavs from eastern Europe will end?!
    You must be mixing up with i2a2 there is no ancient i2a1b in balkans it came from Russia/East Europe around 6th century AD.
    Show me instances to prove otherwise

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    Quote Originally Posted by toteu View Post
    Search for I2a1b. The results of genetic analysis can be found here. https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...IeTH-uzN4V8&ll
    Using that I found nothing in balkans 2000BC-500AD

    Only i2a2 will you find there

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    Quote Originally Posted by toteu View Post
    lol... Look where I2a1b was! Look where I2a1b was! I've already said it three times... Who cares about I2a2?! Don't try to get around the subject. Who cares about I2a2? Don't try to get around the subject.
    Read up on the subclades before talking nonsense
    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...NA.shtml#I2a1b
    Zero i2a1b2 in balkans, it is recent 600AD+

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    Quote Originally Posted by toteu View Post
    dude!... :) Who said that at that time I2a1b was found in the Balkans !? Looks like you don't even read what was written before! Read what I wrote in post #9.
    I've been responding to your post #15.

    The i2a branch that is common in south slavs today has not been found in balkans pre 600 AD

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