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Thread: I have T1a2b1a, am I descended from Carthaginians/Phonecians?

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    Junior Member ConfusedCelt's Avatar
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    I have T1a2b1a, am I descended from Carthaginians/Phonecians?

    All the rest of my ancestry was Celtic and Saxon/Scandinavian. But I had a tiny sliver of DNA titled "Balari" and I looked it up and they were a Nuragic people. And my YDNA is Haplogroup T1a2... My father is from the Netherlands and my mother is from Ireland. Where did this come from? Did it come through the steppe? Is it from farmers? Is it from later people like Carthaginians or Romans? I am really weirded out that I got such a rare and strange haplogroup

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    Also, nice to meet you all :)

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    I would upload some photos of my results but I need 20 posts to post pictures

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    I have reddish brown hair (curly blonde as a kid) pale skin and blue eyes and a quite "northern" face in fact I was expecting to get R1b or I1/I2 but instead its T1a... sorry for bumping

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    Although it is possible that there were some y T with the Phoenicians, you could have chosen any ancient civilization, even the Celts.

    ... y T is rare and widespread, and imho some of the Ts joined a variety of populations,

    The other y Haplogroups moved around in larger numbers, so they are easier to assign to ancient civilizations, some y Ts might have joined those Haplogroups when they were passing by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConfusedCelt View Post
    All the rest of my ancestry was Celtic and Saxon/Scandinavian. But I had a tiny sliver of DNA titled "Balari" and I looked it up and they were a Nuragic people. And my YDNA is Haplogroup T1a2... My father is from the Netherlands and my mother is from Ireland. Where did this come from? Did it come through the steppe? Is it from farmers? Is it from later people like Carthaginians or Romans? I am really weirded out that I got such a rare and strange haplogroup

    I am also part of the T1a2 branch

    as per this tree below
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...-M184_tree.png

    see bottom left for T1a2 group

    There are not many branches of T1a2 in the Levant or Africa.......last time I checked though was a few years ago and then it was T1a2-pages113 which was in the area you mentioned

    who did you test with
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1-Y33791
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConfusedCelt View Post
    I have reddish brown hair (curly blonde as a kid) pale skin and blue eyes and a quite "northern" face in fact I was expecting to get R1b or I1/I2 but instead its T1a... sorry for bumping

    do not bother with hair or eye colour .............most haplogroups cover most scenarios for hair and eyes

    one of my grandsons has blonde curly hair and grey/blue eyes.................his brother has black curly hair and green eyes

    my grandfather has the same hair as yourself ( usually called chestnut colour ) and green eyes

    I was born blonde straight haired and green eyes

    Both my sons have blue eyes...oldest blonde, second black hair , both straight hair

    so........do not concern yourself with hair or eye colours

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConfusedCelt View Post
    I have reddish brown hair (curly blonde as a kid) pale skin and blue eyes and a quite "northern" face in fact I was expecting to get R1b or I1/I2 but instead its T1a... sorry for bumping
    T1a2 came via haplogroup LT.......42000 years ago
    and
    before this, it came from
    haplogroup K-M9 ........this group also has haplogroups R1a, R1b, N, O


    the I1 and !2 haplogroups are further away from T1a2

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    IMO

    your branch came from South Central Asia ............most likely east side of the Caspian sea ..........it is the only place we can link with that K-M9 group with haplgroups R1a, R1b etc

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    your group has these SNP

    Y Haplogroup T1a2b1a

    Public
    Y Haplogroup

    CTS3767, CTS11984, CTS54, CTS1774, CTS6312, CTS6769, CTS7303, CTS8618, CTS8625, CTS8855, CTS9603, CTS11753, PH388, SK1478

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    you will fit in somewhere in this group

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS3767/

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    I suggest you join MyHeritage .....it is free.......you only need to put your name as the tree

    then upload your DNA data into myheritage ( I think it is still free ) and then you can get an ethnic ancestry result ................if you are interested in this area

    you will then get people you match .................avoid low confidence ones......medium confidence are 50-50 in accuracy and the blank means high confidence , which for me is 95% accurate

    this is my breakup
    Europe
    Italian 70.2%

    Italy (Veneto and Lombardy)



    Balkan 15.6%

    Irish, Scottish, and Welsh 14.2%




    I have found links with dutch and british people like yourself ............

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConfusedCelt View Post
    All the rest of my ancestry was Celtic and Saxon/Scandinavian. But I had a tiny sliver of DNA titled "Balari" and I looked it up and they were a Nuragic people. And my YDNA is Haplogroup T1a2... My father is from the Netherlands and my mother is from Ireland. Where did this come from? Did it come through the steppe? Is it from farmers? Is it from later people like Carthaginians or Romans? I am really weirded out that I got such a rare and strange haplogroup
    Welcome @ConfusedCelt, I am also part of this rare group but like @Torzio and @Salento I am further downstream. Still, us four are all part of T1a2b1a-CTS11984 (or other equivalent SNP names). Is your paternal line from the Netherlands? Which part? There are many of our group from Germany, Italy, and the Isles.

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    Sorry I am trying to quote people but it says I cant post links

    I believe that my dads family comes from Limburg, its actually quite old and we have family records going back to the crusades

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConfusedCelt View Post
    Sorry I am trying to quote people but it says I cant post links

    I believe that my dads family comes from Limburg, its actually quite old and we have family records going back to the crusades
    No worries, it takes a bit of time before you can quote and post pictures. Thanks for the info. What company did you test through? Are you on Family Tree DNA?

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