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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    The only truly Amerindian is Kennwick. Bot15 and Bot17 are not Amerindians. They probably correspond to the Polynesian skulls wrongly identified as botocudo. Bot15 and Bot17 are not Amerindians, according to DODECAD world 9.

    It sounds logical ... especially considering the enormous difference between my distances with Kennewick and the Botocudos ...

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    Playing with admixtures distances (>1 and <5)


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 1.4830% / 1.48299702
    52.0 CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
    19.7 Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)
    10.0 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    9.5 Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    7.0 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
    1.8 Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 1.6138% / 1.61382644 | R7P
    35.2 CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
    18.9 Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)
    15.8 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    12.6 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    11.2 Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    6.3 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 1.6151% / 1.61511000 | R6P
    33.8 CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
    18.8 Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)
    17.0 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    13.0 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    11.2 Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    6.2 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)




    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 1.7724% / 1.77242631 | R5P
    46.9 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    21.9 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    16.6 Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)
    10.7 Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    3.9 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 1.7965% / 1.79650761 | R4P | ADC: 0.25x RC
    56.9 CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
    21.2 Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)
    13.0 Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    8.9 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)



    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.0215% / 2.02148464 | R7P | ADC: 0.25x RC
    31.1 CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
    28.1 Latins_(n=4)
    15.5 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    13.2 Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)
    6.3 Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)
    5.8 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)



    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.5614% / 2.56136519 | R4P | ADC: 0.25x RC
    44.6 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    32.6 MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)
    13.7 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    9.1 Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.6422% / 2.64221838 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
    44.8 Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
    29.7 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    16.6 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    5.1 Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)
    3.8 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 3.1782% / 3.17820510 | R7P | ADC: 0.5x RC
    43.9 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    23.8 Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)
    16.9 Latins_(n=4)
    15.4 Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 3.2011% / 3.20109738 | R5P | ADC: 0.5x RC
    41.3 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    40.9 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    9.8 Latins_(n=4)
    8.0 Iron_Age_Kangju_(n=4)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 3.2610% / 3.26098011 | R3P
    45.8 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    38.5 Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
    15.7 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 4.1420% / 4.14199492 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    44.9 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    29.2 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    25.9 Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)



    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 4.3416% / 4.34164051 | R6P | ADC: 0.25x RC
    45.3 MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)
    27.1 CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
    18.1 Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    9.5 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P
    52.4 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    47.6 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)



    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 4.8532% / 4.85323448 | R2P | ADC: 0.5x RC
    50.9 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    49.1 Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)



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    I have just added 12 Norwegian Viking samples (I updated this post with individual samples). They are also ethnically mixed, like the other Vikings so far. Overall these 12 samples have an average closer to modern Swedes.
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    One of the only times I get better results in single mode than multi or two way.
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    Ill compare these calculator with the Vahaduo's K12b Ancient Database in the following post.

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    Vahaduo K12b Ancient:

    LOL



    Target: Archetype0ne
    Distance: 0.0719% / 0.07192577
    5.0 RISE568¬_Brandysek_Czech_Republic
    4.9 R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS
    4.7 I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    4.6 I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    4.2 scy305_Scythian
    4.1 I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
    4.0 RISE145_Polwica_Poland_3677_years
    3.4 I10854_NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE
    3.4 RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years
    3.0 R78_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
    2.6 I3716_Ukraine_Neolithic
    2.6 RISE435_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4094_years
    2.5 I4112_Ukraine_Neolithic
    2.4 ANI152_Varna
    2.4 Bockstein_Mesolithic_Germany
    2.4 R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
    2.3 I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily
    2.1 I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    1.8 Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge
    1.8 RISE42_Marbjerg_Denmark_3681_years
    1.8 RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary
    1.7 I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    1.5 Bavaria_BB_II5524
    1.4 R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    1.2 I4081_Iron_Gates_HG
    1.2 R128_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
    1.1 I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana
    1.1 R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica
    1.1 RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
    1.0 I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II
    1.0 RISE431_Leki_Male_Poland_3762_years
    0.9 I8212_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1_atypical
    0.9 MX310_Switzerland_LN
    0.9 Szolad19
    0.8 I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    0.8 I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_C rete
    0.8 R1551_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
    0.8 RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years
    0.7 R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    0.7 R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
    0.6 I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE
    0.6 I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
    0.6 RISE373_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3476_years
    0.6 RISE598_Turlojiske_Lithuania_2590_years
    0.5 ASH2-3_Iron_Age1
    0.5 Collegno31
    0.5 I2318_Peloponnese_Neolithic
    0.5 RISE247_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3372_years
    0.5 RISE47_Sebber_skole_Denmark_3153_years
    0.5 Szolad18
    0.4 CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3243
    0.4 I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
    0.4 I5402_Iron_Gates_HG
    0.4 R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
    0.4 RISE1_Oblaczkowo_Poland_4117_years
    0.4 RISE471_Untermeitingen_Germany
    0.3 I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_La sithi_Crete
    0.3 I2425_Balkans_Chalcolithic
    0.3 I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
    0.3 I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
    0.3 R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    0.3 R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS
    0.3 R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
    0.3 RISE567_Knezeves_Czech_Republic
    0.2 ASH033_Late_Bronze_Age
    0.2 Collegno102
    0.2 France_IA_COL153A
    0.2 France_IA_NOR3-15
    0.2 I0012_Molta2_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
    0.2 I0176_SZEH4_LBKT_EN_Szemely-Hegyes_Hungary_5210-4940_calBCE
    0.2 I0706_Balkans_Neolithic
    0.2 I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
    0.2 I1727_AG_83_3082_Early_MPPNB
    0.2 I2181_Balkans_Chalcolithic_outlier
    0.2 I3498_Balkans_Neolithic
    0.2 I3708_Peloponnese_Neolithic
    0.2 MX254_Switzerland_LN
    0.2 RISE479_Erd_4_Hungary_~2000_years
    0.1 BronzeAgeNorthernSpain_I2472
    0.1 France_IA_PECH5
    0.1 I0633_Balkans_Neolithic
    0.1 I0679_Krepost_Neolithic
    0.1 I1298_Balkans_Neolithic
    0.1 I2431_Balkans_Chalcolithic
    0.1 I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II
    0.1 I4089_Balkans_Chalcolithic
    0.1 I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
    0.1 R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
    0.1 R19_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
    0.1 RISE21_Karlstrup_Denmark_3092_years
    0.1 RISE569_Brandysek_Czech_Republic_~2000_years
    0.1 scy300_Scythian


    Had to change Cycles, ADC to make this more digestable.
    Target: Archetype0ne
    Distance: 1.5838% / 1.58378609 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    32.3 Szolad37
    18.3 I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge
    16.0 Szolad20
    14.4 scy197_Scythian
    10.7 I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
    6.6 MX265_Switzerland_LN
    1.7 scy305_Scythian






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    Individual VKK
    Distance to: Duarte
    11.34021164 VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)
    11.77031860 VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)
    16.66366106 VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like)
    16.84747162 VK84_Denmark_(North_French-like)
    16.99850876 VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like)
    17.71131842 VK261_UK_Dorset_(French-like)
    17.92253051 VK150_UK_Oxford_(Belgian-like)
    19.66530956 VK138_Denmark_(Belgian-like)
    20.21818736 VK280_Denmark_(Belgian-like)
    20.41495040 VK276_Denmark_(Belgian-like)
    21.32140708 VK278_Denmark_(Bavarian-like)
    21.41239828 VK92_Denmark_(NW_French-like)
    21.50960948 VK177_UK_Oxford_(NW_French-like)
    23.09795229 VK178_UK_Oxford_(Dutch-like)
    23.17185362 VK114_Norway_(Dutch-like)
    23.21924202 VK173_UK_Oxford_(Scottish-like)
    23.29828749 VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like)
    23.62943503 VK113_Norway_(English-like)
    23.71635301 VK22_Russia_(Dutch-like)
    24.26826941 VK94_Denmark_(Irish-like)
    24.54090870 VK260_UK_Dorset_(Irish-like)
    25.51463502 VK525_Norway_(Irish-like)
    25.59980078 VK254_Russia_(Hungarian-like)
    25.63136555 VK285_Denmark_(NW_German-like)
    26.30090303 VK257_UK_Dorset_(Irish-like)

    Individual VKK + data post #2
    Distance to: Duarte
    6.17150711 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    6.71266713 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    10.86048341 Etruscans_(n=3)
    11.27186764 Latins_(n=4)
    11.34021164 VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)
    11.77031860 VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)
    12.12435978 Villanovans_(n=2)
    13.33091895 Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
    14.03098001 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    14.05696980 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    14.52055095 Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
    14.84792915 Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)
    15.04884381 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    15.13849068 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    15.21667178 Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
    15.30209790 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    15.31625933 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    16.25126149 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)
    16.54298643 Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)
    16.66366106 VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like)
    16.76632041 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    16.84747162 VK84_Denmark_(North_French-like)
    16.99850876 VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like)
    17.46561765 Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)
    17.48110694 Middle_Bronze_Age_Portugal_(n=4)

    Mixed (individual VKK + data post #2)
    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 1.4889% / 1.48887500
    50.4 CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
    18.3 Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)
    10.8 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    9.5 Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    6.9 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
    2.7 VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like)
    1.4 Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 1.9847% / 1.98472593 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC
    36.5 VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)
    28.1 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    18.5 CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
    12.1 VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like)
    4.8 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
    Last edited by Duarte; 15-05-21 at 22:07.

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    I ran the C6 cohort from the Antonio et al. 2019 paper against the Eupedia Ancient Ethnicity Checker:

    Distance to: C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R973_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cian ti
    2.61600841 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    4.70417899 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    6.30261057 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    6.68716681 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    7.20353385 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


    Distance to: C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R970_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cian ti
    5.57357157 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    5.84922217 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    5.86388949 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    5.88190445 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    8.88704113 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R969_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cian ti
    3.80529894 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    4.22886510 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    4.85081436 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    4.95432135 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    6.44554109 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R65_Villa_Magna
    3.44583807 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    5.08265679 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    6.99617038 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    7.15323004 Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
    9.20751324 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R64_Villa_Magna
    4.66380746 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    5.66931213 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    6.56278142 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    8.02063589 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    8.95030167 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


    Distance to: C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R60_Villa_Magna
    2.65045279 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    5.53810437 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    5.78648425 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    5.86209860 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    8.49679351 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R59_Villa_Magna
    5.36142705 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    6.37707613 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    6.92614611 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    7.18032033 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    8.28886603 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


    Distance to: C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R58_Villa_Magna
    5.47464154 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    5.97795115 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    8.02636281 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    8.71297882 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    9.12259831 Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


    Distance to: C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R57_Villa_Magna
    4.33122385 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    5.28406094 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    6.23247142 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    7.09248898 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    8.54275717 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


    Distance to: C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R56_Villa_Magna
    3.43877885 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    5.06511599 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    5.42444467 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    7.46507870 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    8.03433258 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R54_Villa_Magna
    3.42504015 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    4.66333572 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    6.13098687 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    7.06942006 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    7.43289311 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


    Distance to: C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R53_Villa_Magna
    2.98610114 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    5.96599531 Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
    6.77462914 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    8.32407352 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    10.26876331 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R52_Villa_Magna
    3.89666524 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    4.97099588 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    5.81291665 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    8.08876381 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    8.21042630 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1290_Villa_Magna
    2.93139898 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    5.14209101 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    6.20004032 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    6.38917835 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    7.59439925 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


    Distance to: C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1287_Cancelleria
    3.77262508 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    5.12042967 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    8.47535250 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    8.73772282 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    9.26634772 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


    Distance to: C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1285_Cancelleria
    4.26171327 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    6.23410780 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    9.13794835 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    9.53922953 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    9.59946353 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


    Distance to: C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1283_Cancelleria
    2.85338396 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    3.41041053 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    6.41774883 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    6.98561379 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    7.14095932 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


    Distance to: C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R36_Celio
    3.00244900 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    3.86877242 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    4.92868137 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    6.04142367 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    7.35379494 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


    Distance to: C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R35_Celio
    5.33175393 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    5.46040292 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    5.93511584 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    7.61207593 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    8.16885549 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


    Distance to: C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R121_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    3.42668936 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    4.13474304 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    4.32866030 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    4.59916297 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    7.18370378 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R120_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    2.63964013 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    2.64575131 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    6.57918688 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    6.65265361 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    6.75934908 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


    Distance to: C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R118_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    4.59311441 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    6.02151974 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    6.11260992 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    6.19984677 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    8.73195282 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R117_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia
    4.50196624 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    5.40243464 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    6.94146238 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    8.58108967 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    9.59722877 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R107_Crypta_Balbi
    6.08292693 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    6.58274259 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    6.98462597 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    7.26746173 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    8.19426019 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_T ribe)_Palestrina_Selicata
    5.31416974 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    6.72588284 EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
    6.90958754 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    7.04519695 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    8.27300429 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


    Distance to: C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R836_Civitanova_Marche
    2.14727735 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    5.07275073 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    6.61933531 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    7.78833102 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    7.99144543 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


    Distance to: C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R835_Civitanova_Marche
    2.67884303 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    3.04032893 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    3.92655065 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    5.01279363 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    7.32022541 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R51_Centocelle_Necropoli s
    3.59934716 Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
    3.77650632 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    10.53298628 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    11.11080105 EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
    11.87786176 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2)


    Distance to: C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R49_Centocelle_Necropoli s
    3.57442303 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    5.35588461 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    5.83648010 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    8.38284558 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    8.43298286 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R47_Centocelle_Necropoli s
    5.79032814 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    5.88561806 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    7.44457521 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    8.83147213 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    9.46944560 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R436_Palestrina
    4.34047232 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    6.34744831 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    6.57445055 Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
    7.90332209 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    10.23175449 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R1549_Monterotondo
    5.50899265 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    7.11763303 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    7.93293767 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    8.49173127 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    8.81342726 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


    Distance to: C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R1544_Necropolis_of_Mont e_Agnese
    4.86201604 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    6.22086811 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    7.07886290 Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
    7.64440972 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    9.43550211 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R137_Marcellino_&_Pietro
    3.78828457 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    4.91094696 Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
    8.82375770 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    9.96097385 EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
    10.21738225 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


    Distance to: C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R136_Marcellino_&_Pietro
    3.63997253 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    6.24226722 Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
    6.58507403 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    7.72998060 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    9.63470290 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R131_Via_Paisiello_Necro polis
    3.60251301 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    5.61106942 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    6.91682731 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    7.51154445 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    8.64459369 EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


    Distance to: C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R125_Casale_del_Dolce
    4.12417264 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    5.29698971 Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
    9.52042016 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    10.12414441 EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
    11.15687232 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


    Distance to: C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R113_Via_Paisiello_Necro polis
    4.62101720 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    5.75598819 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    6.25346304 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    8.63121660 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    9.50438320 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


    Distance to: C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R111_Via_Paisiello_Necro polis
    3.94391937 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    4.63322782 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    7.72665516 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    8.05250272 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    8.24195365 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


    Distance to: Jovialis
    2.67342477 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    4.13714878 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    4.96643735 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    5.23919841 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    8.54637350 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)

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    ^^Many of these C6 Romans are similar to Imperial Age Marche, 6th Century Piedmont (Italians Only) and Medieval Foggia. Also a few of them get Italian-Greeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    I have just added 12 Norwegian Viking samples (I updated this post with individual samples). They are also ethnically mixed, like the other Vikings so far. Overall these 12 samples have an average closer to modern Swedes.

    Target: Torziok12b
    Distance: 1.0953% / 1.09528753 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    31.6 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    27.4 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    22.7 Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
    16.9 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    1.4 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)



    Distance to: Torziok12b
    0.96235572 30.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 69.20% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.28275078 26.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 74.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.32009497 67.80% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 32.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
    1.32271482 38.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
    1.36758056 30.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 69.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.41204789 44.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 55.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    1.42057771 30.40% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 69.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.42644518 64.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 35.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    1.43970424 47.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.00% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)
    1.47469894 23.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 76.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    1.61329492 66.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 33.60% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
    1.62339551 14.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 85.40% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    1.63696416 54.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 45.80% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    1.64679071 54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
    1.65219103 32.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24) + 68.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.65452907 21.20% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4) + 78.80% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.68529846 51.80% EMBA_Greece_(n=6) + 48.20% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
    1.69887007 51.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 49.00% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)
    1.70260430 44.80% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 55.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.71723077 23.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 76.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.72693236 24.00% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 76.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.73022344 53.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 47.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
    1.73354583 39.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
    1.75877548 14.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 85.80% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    1.77260423 47.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 52.40% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4p
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1-Y33791
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    Distance to: Torzio12b
    3.13482057 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    5.83890401 Villanovans_(n=2)
    6.10347442 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    8.33524445 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    10.23312269 Etruscans_(n=3)
    11.21687122 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    12.04986307 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    12.34738029 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    12.73217185 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    13.23675564 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    13.30812909 Latins_(n=4)
    14.99738977 Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
    15.43010693 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    15.54832467 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    17.71318718 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    18.62196821 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    19.03681433 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    19.17109804 Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
    19.81995711 Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)
    20.08211891 Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
    20.10456167 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
    20.50580406 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    21.16651837 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    21.37520760 EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
    22.20247509 Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)

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    my father results

    Distance to: Ponsan_K12b
    6.01870418 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    6.39941404 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    7.90473276 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    8.28037439 Villanovans_(n=2)
    8.70974741 Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
    9.03701278 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    9.62883170 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    11.64315249 Etruscans_(n=3)
    12.76489326 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    13.19541208 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    13.63991202 Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
    13.67783974 Latins_(n=4)
    13.85478618 Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)
    15.01443972 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    15.70286280 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    16.13783753 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
    16.36747690 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    17.01621873 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)
    17.13053122 Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)
    17.27221758 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    17.73917416 Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
    18.09489707 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    18.66592082 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
    18.77717764 Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
    18.83326313 Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)




    Target: Ponsan_K12b
    Distance: 0.8817% / 0.88170498 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    31.9 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    26.6 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
    23.8 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    11.3 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    6.1 Chalcolithic_Israel
    0.3 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)

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    Distance to: Ponsan_K12b
    1.00389945 28.60% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 71.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.45187767 45.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 54.60% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    1.45751495 36.80% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1) + 63.20% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    1.48872393 29.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 70.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.49160073 18.80% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1) + 81.20% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.53930914 30.80% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1) + 69.20% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    1.60687324 29.20% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 70.80% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.62726510 36.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 63.60% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
    1.63868042 37.60% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) + 62.40% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
    1.71091353 21.40% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 78.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    1.74923613 64.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 36.00% Lombards_(n=28)
    1.78620266 37.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 63.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.79260753 36.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7) + 64.00% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)
    1.80683223 32.00% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10) + 68.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.85614823 41.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 59.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
    1.88822466 20.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 79.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    1.89556169 40.40% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 59.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.89636899 62.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 37.20% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
    1.92577818 32.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 67.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    1.94338611 44.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 55.40% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    1.97770758 44.20% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 55.80% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    1.99647698 66.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 34.00% Vikings_from_England_(n=28)
    2.01213238 38.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7) + 61.80% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.02477552 64.60% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 35.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
    2.02788263 37.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 62.40% Lombards_(n=28)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    This sample is also extremely close to Imperial-Age_Marche_(n=2).

    As well as pretty close to the Iron Age R437:

    Distance to: C6_Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_T ribe_o)_Palestrina_Selicata
    5.31416974 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    6.72588284 EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
    6.90958754 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    7.04519695 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    8.27300429 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    8.83409871 Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
    10.38617832 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    10.40333120 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    10.92016026 Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
    15.54221992 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    16.33827714 Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7)
    16.75771763 Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
    17.52457132 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    17.57787530 Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)
    18.16961750 Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)
    18.19599956 Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
    18.28769805 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    18.51004592 Etruscans_(n=3)
    18.79689868 Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)
    19.54934782 Villanovans_(n=2)
    20.24499444 Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=8)
    20.83053768 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    21.05738825 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2)
    21.74766884 LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)
    22.59695776 Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6)

    These samples exist within the light-blue cohort labeled C6.

    Rather than attributing it totally to Greeks, could it be possible that this is indicative of a native pre-Italic ancestry?

    Could Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) be a proxy for native pre-Italic Ancestry? Or perhaps Italic tribes who are more well mixed with these pre-Italics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Could Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) be a proxy for native pre-Italic Ancestry? Or perhaps Italic tribes who are more well mixed with these pre-Italics?

    The R1 Proto-VIllanovan is a Proto-Italic, a Proto-Picene most likely, a Osco-Umbrian speaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    The R1 Proto-VIllanovan is a Proto-Italic, a Proto-Picene most likely, a Osco-Umbrian speaker.
    A Liburnian woman......maybe a slave............in Picene lands , Liburnian colony from 1000Bc for a few hundred years ....most probably born in Liburnia


    R1 sample ( female ) originates from Nis town in Liburnia


    A Proto-Villanovan female from Martinsicuro in the Adriatic coast (ca. 890 BC), of mtDNA hg. U5a2b, is the earliest mainland sample available showing foreign ancestry:

    Martinsicuro is a coastal site located on the border of Le Marche and Abruzzo on central Italy’s Adriatic coast. It is a proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river, dating to the late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age (…) finds from the site indicate an affinity with contemporaries in the Balkans, suggesting direct trade contacts and interaction across the Adriatic. In particular, the practice of decorating ceramics with bronze elements was shared between the Nin region in Croatia and Picene region of Italy, including Martinsicuro.
    The sample clusters very close to the Early Iron Age sample from Jazinka (ca. 780 BC), from the central Dalmatian onomastic region, on the east Adriatic coast opposite to Marche lands, possibly related to the south-east Dalmatian onomastic region to the south. However, there is no clear boundary between hydrotoponymic regions for the Bronze Age, and it is quite close to the (possibly Venetic-related) Liburnian onomastic region to the north, so the accounts of Martinsicuro belonging to the Liburni in proto-historical times can probably be extrapolated to the Final Bronze Age.


    You need to stop trying to "marry" R1 with R1015



    An Umbrian-Sabellic people born from the fusion of different elements, including the mysterious Liburnian people of the eastern shore of the Adriatic, the Picenians for a long time played a fundamental role in the development of the cultures of Central Italy, making themselves the intermediary between the Balkan and Aegean world for Italics and Etruscans, at the same time spreading valuable goods and the use of new weapons, such as the Xiphos and the Kopis. Among the first allies that Rome finds beyond the borders of Latium, the Picenians will be the same ones to start the Social War against the Romans with the massacre of Asculum, passionately claiming the right to Roman citizenship. ========================================= 16 - WHO WERE THE PICENIANS? =========================================

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    A Liburnian woman......maybe a slave............in Picene lands , Liburnian colony from 1000Bc for a few hundred years ....most probably born in Liburnia... R1 sample ( female ) originates from Nis town in Liburnia
    Duh! Come on, now you want us to believe that you even figured out what her name was and what her favorite dish was. With this copy and paste what do you think you have proved? Relationships with the Liburnians are attested especially from the VIII century BC., R1 is at least two centuries earlier (930-839 BCE). Contacts between the two sides of the Adriatic are clearly even older.

    Alessandro Naso, I Piceni. Storia e archeologia delle Marche in epoca preromana, Biblioteca di Archeologia 29, Milano 2000, p. 89.




    If instead of giving credit to all the nonsense you read on the internet, you had spent a little of your time to read the texts of archaeology, you would know that a connection between the Adriatic coast and the Balkans has been known for years! The earliest relations between the Adriatic and the Balkans do not refer to Iron Age ethnos in the strict sense. I realize that this is not an easy concept to understand for those who are completely unfamiliar with studies.

    There were several migrations from the Balkans to Italy. As there were also in the context of the Urnfield culture (and the Protovillanovan is a facies related to the Urnfield culture), and that in the ethnogenesis of the Picenes are recognized three different cultural components at least is written anywhere "At the basis of its formation was recognized the competition of different cultures, the Apennine, Protovillanovan and trans-Adriatic populations." There is no need to call into question either slaves and much less the Liburnians in a strict sense, not least because we are still in the throes of prehistory (also known as protohistory), and neither the Liburnians nor the Piceni were yet fully formed.

    https://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia...27Archeologia)


    You need to stop trying to "marry" R1 with R1015


    Do I need what? Just saying, b
    eing two women, it would be a case of same-sex marriage.

    Perhaps you have not understood that Italian archaeologists have collaborated to the Stanford study who obviously know more than you, and they also know more than your amateur sources. If R1 has been labeled as Protovillanovaan there is a reason!

    I'm the last one who wants to marry R1 with R105, since the latter is Villanovan, and as I have already said several times, the Protovillanovan is a "supranational" Bronze Age facies, while the Villanovan culture is an Iron Age facies exclusively Etruscan. They are called the same way because of nomeclature issues, because the Villanovan was first discovered at Villanova near Bologna around 1850, and almost 90 years later the Protovillanovan was discovered, initially thinking it was only related to the Villanovan. Later, it was realized that this was not the case, but the names were not changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    Duh! Come on, now you want us to believe that you even figured out what her name was and what her favorite dish was. With this copy and paste what do you think you have proved? Relationships with the Liburnians are attested especially from the VIII century BC., R1 is at least two centuries earlier (930-839 BCE). Contacts between the two sides of the Adriatic are clearly even older.

    Alessandro Naso, I Piceni. Storia e archeologia delle Marche in epoca preromana, Biblioteca di Archeologia 29, Milano 2000, p. 89.




    If instead of giving credit to all the nonsense you read on the internet, you had spent a little of your time to read the texts of archaeology, you would know that a connection between the Adriatic coast and the Balkans has been known for years! The earliest relations between the Adriatic and the Balkans do not refer to Iron Age ethnos in the strict sense. I realize that this is not an easy concept to understand for those who are completely unfamiliar with studies.

    There were several migrations from the Balkans to Italy. As there were also in the context of the Urnfield culture (and the Protovillanovan is a facies related to the Urnfield culture), and that in the ethnogenesis of the Picenes are recognized three different cultural components at least is written anywhere "At the basis of its formation was recognized the competition of different cultures, the Apennine, Protovillanovan and trans-Adriatic populations." There is no need to call into question either slaves and much less the Liburnians in a strict sense, not least because we are still in the throes of prehistory (also known as protohistory), and neither the Liburnians nor the Piceni were yet fully formed.

    https://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia...27Archeologia)




    Do I need what? Just saying, b
    eing two women, it would be a case of same-sex marriage.

    Perhaps you have not understood that Italian archaeologists have collaborated to the Stanford study who obviously know more than you, and they also know more than your amateur sources. If R1 has been labeled as Protovillanovaan there is a reason!

    I'm the last one who wants to marry R1 with R105, since the latter is Villanovan, and as I have already said several times, the Protovillanovan is a "supranational" Bronze Age facies, while the Villanovan culture is an Iron Age facies exclusively Etruscan. They are called the same way because of nomeclature issues, because the Villanovan was first discovered at Villanova near Bologna around 1850, and almost 90 years later the Protovillanovan was discovered, initially thinking it was only related to the Villanovan. Later, it was realized that this was not the case, but the names were not changed.

    we had this conversation before and last time you threw in the Vianovan to deflect the discussion

    Look at current italian scholars and not one from 21 years ago

    Current scenario is the liburnians settled colonies in picene lands and corfu circa 1000 BC .................they lost Corfu to the Corinthian greeks in 730BC

    Archaeological finds do not show the existence of significant social and state institutions in Liburnia, which would support a political infrastructure that would enable Adriatic-domination in the early and mid-Iron Ages. Neither is there more abundant material evidence which would show strong connections between Liburnia and the central Adriatic islands, or Corcyra and Epidamnus in the southern Adriatic. It is only established, with a reasonable quantity of material evidence, that Liburnia and Picenum on the Italian coast did have close and important Iron Age connections through the islands of the Kvarner gulf. [35]A joint cultural habitus known as the Eastern Adriatic cultural koine existed in the late Bronze Age, and remains visible in the early Iron Age material record, especially in typologies of objects such as fibulae, pottery or jewellery. This koine even included parts of the Italian coast, such as Picenum. However, the unity of the Adriatic koine was increasingly diversifying into distinctive regional types; although it was still visible in the seventh and sixth century archaeological record as far as the central and southern Dalmatian coast. 


    You should check Liburnian thalassocracy

    or maybe adriatic history in the early iron age was a myth

    https://www.academia.edu/720252/Myth...a_and_its_name

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    this site is stuffed ...............I cannot edit post .............crap for last 6 months

    extent of the Liburnian dominance at a given time between 11th and 1st century BC. Domination of the Liburnian thalassocracy in the Adriatic Sea


    even old wilkes had/states


    The Liburni are placed by Hecataeus on the innermost part
    of the Adriatic gulf. In the Periplus they dwell on the northeast
    Adriatic between lllyrians and Istri, where much of the coast
    is closed off from the interior by the Velcbit mountains and
    screened by the islands of the Dalmatian archipelago. The
    Liburnian name seems to have passed into general use from
    the time when they dominated not only the entire Dalmatian



    Suic 1955. Hecataeus, K'.rHist vol. i, p. 20, F93-6.



    Neighbour* >•/ the Creek*



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    coasi but even foi a time held Corcyra (Corfu) from which
    the) were ejected by Corinthian settlers in the eighth century.
    A Liburnian maritime supremacy, or thalassocracy, recalls a
    historical tradition from a time when peoples were possibly
    moving across the Adriatic from east to west, from Liburnia
    into Picenum and from lllyria into Messapia and Japygia. The
    garbled list of places on the Liburnian coast in the Periplus
    has been reconstructed to name Tarsatica (Trsat near Rijeka),
    Lopsica (Sv Juraj), Scnia (Senj) and Ortopula (Stinica), all in
    the northern part of historical Liburnia. The difficulty here is
    that this interpretation necessitates the identification of the
    river Catarbates with the Zrmanja (the ancient Tedanius) north
    ol Zadar, placing the southern limit of the Liburni farther to
    the north than was ever later the case. Another, and more
    plausible, reconstruction lists Apsyrtae, the modern islands Crcs
    and Mali Losinj in the Kvarner, Alypsoi of the later Lopsica
    among the northern Liburni, and some of the major settlements
    on the plain behind Zadar, including Nedinum (Nadin),
    Aenona (Nin) and Jader (Zadar). In that case the Catarbates,
    literally the 'steeply-falling', is the Krka, which marked the
    boundary between Liburnians and Dalmatians in Hellenistic
    and Roman times. Finally, a long-standing association between
    the head of the Adriatic and the amber trade explains the name
    Elektrides (from elektroti, the Greek word for amber) for some
    islands of the Kvarner gulf, including Crcs, Krk and Mali
    Losinj. The Mentores named by Hecataeus and other writers
    may denote other islands, such as Rab (ancient Arba) or Pag
    (Gissa). The reference to the Istrian peninsula as an island of
    around 40 by 15 miles is a not uncharacteristic error of the
    Periplus. 11

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    we had this conversation before and last time you threw in the Vianovan to deflect the discussion

    Look at current italian scholars and not one from 21 years ago

    Current scenario is the liburnians settled colonies in picene lands and corfu circa 1000 BC .................they lost Corfu to the Corinthian greeks in 730BC

    Archaeological finds do not show the existence of significant social and state institutions in Liburnia, which would support a political infrastructure that would enable Adriatic-domination in the early and mid-Iron Ages. Neither is there more abundant material evidence which would show strong connections between Liburnia and the central Adriatic islands, or Corcyra and Epidamnus in the southern Adriatic. It is only established, with a reasonable quantity of material evidence, that Liburnia and Picenum on the Italian coast did have close and important Iron Age connections through the islands of the Kvarner gulf. [35]A joint cultural habitus known as the Eastern Adriatic cultural koine existed in the late Bronze Age, and remains visible in the early Iron Age material record, especially in typologies of objects such as fibulae, pottery or jewellery. This koine even included parts of the Italian coast, such as Picenum. However, the unity of the Adriatic koine was increasingly diversifying into distinctive regional types; although it was still visible in the seventh and sixth century archaeological record as far as the central and southern Dalmatian coast. 


    You should check Liburnian thalassocracy

    or maybe adriatic history in the early iron age was a myth

    https://www.academia.edu/720252/Myth...a_and_its_name


    Do you even read what you post? What would be the exact point in all your copy and paste where it's claimed that archaeology has found evidence that "the Liburnians settled colonies in Picene lands circa 1000 BC"?

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    Martinsicuro
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    930 cal BCE -839 calBCEIndividuals: R1 Martinsicurois a coastal site located on the border of Le Marche and Abruzzo on central Italy’s Adriatic coast. It is a proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river, dating to the late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age(154). Excavations at the site have been limited, but during an excavation in preparation forroad construction, a single post-built structure was excavated which contained a rich archaeological deposit of ceramics (155). These finds from the site indicate an affinity with contemporaries in the Balkans, suggesting direct trade contacts and interaction across the Adriatic. In particular, the practice of decorating ceramics with bronze elements was shared between the Nin region in Croatia and Picene region of Italy, including Martinsicuro (156). These finds also show the conservation and preservation (e.g. as artifacts) of ceramics from the earlier Middle Bronze Age into the Late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age.


    Martinsicuro (Latin: Castrum Truentinum)[3] is a town and comune in province of Teramo, Abruzzo, central Italy. It is located on the right of the mouth of Tronto River.
    Remains of a Bronze Age (10th-9th centuries BC) settlement were found in the communal territory, on a hill overlooking the Tronto river. At the river's mouth existed Truentum, remembered by Roman writer Pliny the Elder as part of the Roman region of Picenum, and attributed to the Liburni tribe.



    Liburnian onomastic region to the north, so the accounts of Martinsicuro belonging to the Liburni in proto-historical times can probably be extrapolated to the Final Bronze Age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    R1 sample

    Martinsicuro
    Date range:
    930 cal BCE -839 calBCEIndividuals: R1 Martinsicurois a coastal site located on the border of Le Marche and Abruzzo on central Italy’s Adriatic coast. It is a proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river, dating to the late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age(154). Excavations at the site have been limited, but during an excavation in preparation forroad construction, a single post-built structure was excavated which contained a rich archaeological deposit of ceramics (155). These finds from the site indicate an affinity with contemporaries in the Balkans, suggesting direct trade contacts and interaction across the Adriatic. In particular, the practice of decorating ceramics with bronze elements was shared between the Nin region in Croatia and Picene region of Italy, including Martinsicuro (156). These finds also show the conservation and preservation (e.g. as artifacts) of ceramics from the earlier Middle Bronze Age into the Late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age.

    Martinsicuro (Latin: Castrum Truentinum)[3] is a town and comune in province of Teramo, Abruzzo, central Italy. It is located on the right of the mouth of Tronto River.
    Remains of a Bronze Age (10th-9th centuries BC) settlement were found in the communal territory, on a hill overlooking the Tronto river. At the river's mouth existed Truentum, remembered by Roman writer Pliny the Elder as part of the Roman region of Picenum, and attributed to the Liburni tribe.

    The first is the well known paragraph from Antonio's 2019 study; the second is from Wikipedia.


    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Liburnian onomastic region to the north, so the accounts of Martinsicuro belonging to the Liburni in proto-historical times can probably be extrapolated to the Final Bronze Age.
    This is an opinion of an amateur blogger, not an archaeological evidence.

    The sources used by Antonio 2019 are as follows. Did you read them?

    1) 154. T. Di Fraia, in Proceedings of the XXXVIII Scientific Meeting. Italian Institute of Prehistory and Protohistory (2005), pp. 755–765.

    2) 155. D. Gatti, BAR Int. Ser. 1452, 482 (2005).


    The first is a chapter in "Atti della XXXVIII Riunione scientifica: preistoria e protostoria delle Marche", published by IIPP (Istituto italiano di preistoria e protostoria), the second is a chapter published by BAR Publishing, British Archaeological Reports International series.

    I was able to read the first one. Undeniably, as I've already written, contacts between the shores of the Adriatic date back to at least the second half of the Bronze Age, but it is never mentioned the possibility that remains of the Bronze Ages settlements were a colony of the Liburnians, also because the remains of the Bronze Age settlements are not located where Truentum is, but are further inland, and the text in the 2019 Antonio paper seems to imply that R1 comes from the Proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river. This settlement, according to the the archaeological excavations, has a long continuity of habitation which from the last phase of the Middle Bronze Age to the first Iron Age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pax Augusta View Post
    The first is the well known paragraph from Antonio's 2019 study; the second is from Wikipedia.




    This is an opinion of an amateur blogger, not an archaeological evidence.

    The sources used by Antonio 2019 are as follows. Did you read them?

    1) 154. T. Di Fraia, in Proceedings of the XXXVIII Scientific Meeting. Italian Institute of Prehistory and Protohistory (2005), pp. 755–765.

    2) 155. D. Gatti, BAR Int. Ser. 1452, 482 (2005).


    The first is a chapter in "Atti della XXXVIII Riunione scientifica: preistoria e protostoria delle Marche", published by IIPP (Istituto italiano di preistoria e protostoria), the second is a chapter published by BAR Publishing, British Archaeological Reports International series.

    I was able to read the first one. Undeniably, as I've already written, contacts between the shores of the Adriatic date back to at least the second half of the Bronze Age, but it is never mentioned the possibility that remains of the Bronze Ages settlements were a colony of the Liburnians, also because the remains of the Bronze Age settlements are not located where Truentum is, but are further inland, and the text in the 2019 Antonio paper seems to imply that R1 comes from the Proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river. This settlement, according to the the archaeological excavations, has a long continuity of habitation which from the last phase of the Middle Bronze Age to the first Iron Age.
    Martinscuro - The territory was inhabited since Neolithic times, it was a town of the Liburni, a pre-Roman Italic population under the name of Trunetum, later called Castrum Truentum under the Romans, when it aquired strategic importance for the whole area.

    I primi insediamenti sono stati rinvenuti sulla collina sovrastante il fiume Tronto in località Colle di Marzio, dove sono emersi resti di un insediamento dell'età del bronzo (X-IX secolo a.C.). Già nel III secolo a.C. la città è una colonia romana.
    Infatti alla foce del fiume Tronto era sorto l'abitato di Truentum, ricordato da Plinio il Vecchio[4] tra le altre colonie e cittadelle fortificate della regio V Picenum, presso il fiume omonimo, e attribuita ai Liburni. Strabone la cita come città che riprende il nome dal fiume Truentus (Τρουεντῖνος ποταμός), collocandola tra il Fanum Cupra (Cupramarittima) e Castrum Novum (Giulianova).[5]


    Martinscuro, Tronto river complex, Trunetum ................all Liburnian origins from 10th century

    Colonnella - Liburnian origins nearby to martinscuro formed 962 BC

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    Target: ITA_Proto-Villanovan
    Distance: 2.9920% / 0.02992024 | ADC: 0.25x
    50.2 HRV_EBA .....................Ancient Pannonia/Dalmatia
    19.2 Bell_Beaker_ITA
    12.0 CZE_Unetice_EBA
    9.2 HRV_MBA
    6.0 GRC_Mycenaean
    3.4 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA1

    Proto-Villanovans seem to be direct migrants from the Balkans, likely representing the opposite 80-20 Balkan and Native Italian split

    .................................................. .................................................. ................................................
    should she ( R1 ) be classified as Proto-Villanovan ?



    Proto-Villanovan culture was part of the central European Urnfield culture system. Similarity has also been noted with the regional groups of Bavaria-Upper Austria[1] and of the middle-Danube.[1][2]

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    R1 sample admixure

    Target: ITA_Proto-Villanovan
    Distance: 2.9920% / 0.02992024 | ADC: 0.25x
    50.2 HRV_EBA .....................Ancient Pannonia/Dalmatia
    19.2 Bell_Beaker_ITA
    12.0 CZE_Unetice_EBA
    9.2 HRV_MBA
    6.0 GRC_Mycenaean
    3.4 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA1

    Proto-Villanovans seem to be direct migrants from the Balkans, likely representing the opposite 80-20 Balkan and Native Italian split

    .................................................. .................................................. ................................................
    should she ( R1 ) be classified as Proto-Villanovan ?

    Proto-Villanovan culture was part of the central European Urnfield culture system. Similarity has also been noted with the regional groups of Bavaria-Upper Austria[1] and of the middle-Danube.[1][2]

    You really can't understand that Proto-Villanovan is not an ethnicity but it is an archaeological material culture.

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