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  1. #351
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    my cousin from Cles -Trentino .............her line is from my grandfather sister

    Distance to: TrentinoCles
    3.03482057 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    5.83890401 Villanovans_(n=2)
    6.10347442 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    8.33524445 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    10.23312269 Etruscans_(n=3)
    11.21687122 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    12.04986307 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    12.34738029 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    12.73217185 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    13.23675564 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    13.30812909 Latins_(n=4)
    14.99738977 Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
    15.43010693 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    15.54832467 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    17.71318718 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    18.41030146 Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)
    18.62196821 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    19.03681433 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    19.17109804 Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
    19.81995711 Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)
    20.08211891 Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
    20.10456167 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
    20.50580406 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    21.16651837 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    21.37520760 EMBA_Greece_(n=6)



    Distance to: TrentinoCles
    1.86620812 40.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 59.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
    1.93101612 41.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 58.80% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
    2.03834369 46.60% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1) + 53.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
    2.36161214 31.40% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 68.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
    2.70580330 34.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 65.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
    2.73930063 63.80% EMBA_Greece_(n=6) + 36.20% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)
    2.79516529 49.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 50.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.84060803 63.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 37.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)
    2.89898553 3.00% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 97.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.92356746 53.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 46.40% Vikings_from_Poland_(n=9)
    2.93051229 2.40% Chalcolithic_Israel + 97.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.93501708 38.00% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 62.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
    2.95238884 97.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 2.20% Iron_Age_&_Hellenistic_Egypt_(n=3)
    2.97454232 97.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 2.20% Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)
    2.97946004 2.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 98.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.98143479 2.20% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 97.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.98155385 2.00% Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9) + 98.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.98980873 2.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3) + 98.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.99131520 89.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 10.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    2.99375570 60.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 39.20% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    2.99530594 93.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 6.60% Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    2.99765953 2.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 97.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.99804072 52.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 48.00% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    2.99815412 2.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2) + 97.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    3.01516146 96.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 3.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)



    Target: TrentinoCles
    Distance: 1.8718% / 1.87180944 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    77.5 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    12.2 EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
    10.3 Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4p
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

  2. #352
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    (R1b-F1794) R-M269
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    Ethnic group
    Italian
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    This would be the Latin average if R437 and R850 were included in them. Much more Italian:

    Code:
    Latins_(n=6),4.358333333,0.27,2.18,0.311666667,40.96333333,20.06666667,0.263333333,0.095,6.183333333,0,25.14333333,0.166666667
    Distance to: Latins_(n=6)
    3.56338751 French_Corsica
    5.02105207 Italian_Emilia
    5.11350472 Italian_Liguria
    5.28653924 Italian_Tuscany
    5.89395429 Italian_Lombardy
    7.47409062 Italian_Romagna
    7.91374735 Italian_Piedmont
    8.60432820 Italian_Veneto
    9.84376671 Swiss_Italian
    9.96968511 Italian_Marche
    10.86047254 Italian_Lazio
    11.26234717 Italian_Trentino
    11.70160091 Italian_Friuli_VG
    12.59631416 Spanish_Baleares
    13.08773715 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    13.64015263 Spanish_Canarias
    13.73156815 Portuguese
    13.87824666 Spanish_Castilla-Leon
    14.18387337 Albanian_Kosovo
    14.27653893 Spanish_Valencia
    14.34128645 Albanian
    15.01858506 Macedonian_Vardar
    15.10981018 Greek_Thessaly
    15.15642428 Macedonian_South
    15.25645319 Spanish_Catalonia

  3. #353
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    2 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    This would be the Latin average if R437 and R850 were included in them. Much more Italian:

    Code:
    Latins_(n=6),4.358333333,0.27,2.18,0.311666667,40.96333333,20.06666667,0.263333333,0.095,6.183333333,0,25.14333333,0.166666667
    Distance to: Latins_(n=6)
    3.56338751 French_Corsica
    5.02105207 Italian_Emilia
    5.11350472 Italian_Liguria
    5.28653924 Italian_Tuscany
    5.89395429 Italian_Lombardy
    7.47409062 Italian_Romagna
    7.91374735 Italian_Piedmont
    8.60432820 Italian_Veneto
    9.84376671 Swiss_Italian
    9.96968511 Italian_Marche
    10.86047254 Italian_Lazio
    11.26234717 Italian_Trentino
    11.70160091 Italian_Friuli_VG
    12.59631416 Spanish_Baleares
    13.08773715 Italian_Aosta_Valley
    13.64015263 Spanish_Canarias
    13.73156815 Portuguese
    13.87824666 Spanish_Castilla-Leon
    14.18387337 Albanian_Kosovo
    14.27653893 Spanish_Valencia
    14.34128645 Albanian
    15.01858506 Macedonian_Vardar
    15.10981018 Greek_Thessaly
    15.15642428 Macedonian_South
    15.25645319 Spanish_Catalonia
    Distance to: Jovialis
    2.67342477 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    4.13714878 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    4.96643735 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    5.23919841 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    8.54637350 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    10.89175835 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    12.93336383 Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
    13.26984928 EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
    14.82023157 Latins_(n=6)
    15.18323088 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    15.74704734 Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
    17.80178643 Villanovans_(n=2)
    18.03439492 Etruscans_(n=3)
    19.67391420 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    20.82980557 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    21.04682874 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2)
    21.66482402 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    22.36252669 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    22.85149010 Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
    23.50336997 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    23.70956769 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
    23.75943812 Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7)
    24.15866925 Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
    24.22953157 Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)
    24.28315877 Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)

  4. #354
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  5. #355
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    ^^I have a feeling once other Italic tribe samples in the Iron Age are available, combining them will also match up along the Italian-cline.


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    Thanks, Jovialis,

    As I said a few posts upthread, about 2/3 "older" Latin, and 1/3 "newer" Latin. Since the "newer" Latins were half "older" Latin, maybe 82% "older" Latin, and 18% Greek.

    He always said that after the Fall of the Empire, a lot of the "Romans" fled to the Apennines. Maybe through his rather encyclopedic knowledge of Roman history, the history of the mountains, and sheer gut instinct he got it right? Maybe it's a pipe dream, but he would have been very, very, happy.

    Distance to: Angela
    2.15749791 Latins_(n=6)
    6.57863208 Villanovans_(n=2)
    7.43920023 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    7.91382967 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    7.96705717 Etruscans_(n=3)
    10.01388037 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    10.15557975 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    13.13808205 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    13.49591049 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    13.54544942 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    13.78129892 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    13.85853528 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    14.35290215 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    14.42208723 Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)
    14.43457308 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    16.39635935 Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)
    16.75045373 Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
    17.10258752 EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
    17.63364682 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    17.94728392 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    18.23290981 Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)
    19.39564642 Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)
    19.57804127 Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
    19.84998741 Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=8)
    20.64407663 LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)


    Non si fa il proprio dovere perchè qualcuno ci dica grazie, lo si fa per principio, per se stessi, per la propria dignità. Oriana Fallaci

  7. #357
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    2 members found this post helpful.
    Thanks Angela and Jovialis :)

    … the six Latins on GedM… :

    # XH4246097 - R435
    # SA5994979 - R437
    # SN3426822 - R850
    # GG2504860 - R851
    # YB8192286 - R1016
    # AP5582604 - R1021

    … one to one - Latins vs S_me:

    (the Red underline indicates the minimum amount of settings that I needed in order to get results … but this might be different in your case)


    R435


    R437


    R850


    R851


    R1016


    R1021

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    First Ever Post With Results

    Hi there, this is my first post here so I apologize for any formatting issues. I have run my genome on the Ethnicity Analyzer and, although I'm not a complete novice, I am also not a professional with an in-depth understanding of the terminology of archaeo-genetics. If anyone more experienced could give me a basic idea of what the basic takeaway from my results are, I would greatly appreciate it. I know this will be a lot to read. Thank you for your patience!

    Bronze Age Single Distance
    Distance to: True Caesar

    3.42622241 Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
    6.4413896 Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)
    7.39949998 Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
    7.84600535 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24)
    10.01050448 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
    10.15527942 Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)
    14.31376959 EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    15.01219504 Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)
    19.04210335 Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
    19.73485749 EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18)
    20.41782065 MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)
    22.4217729 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    23.13338497 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    24.50082652 LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)
    25.61892465 Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)
    26.34931878 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)
    26.65365266 MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3)
    28.98739726 Middle_Bronze_Age_Portugal_(n=4)
    30.13379166 Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)
    30.77936809 LBA_South_Siberia_(n=4)
    36.33249372 EMBA_Poltavka_culture_(n=8)
    38.45547555 LBA_Karasuk_culture_(n=7)
    39.98934108 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    40.09005862 Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)

    Bronze Age Single Populations
    Target: True Caesar

    Distance: 0.5824% / 0.58235238
    35.3 MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)

    29.3 Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)

    26.8 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)

    7.3 Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=4)

    0.7 Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)

    0.6 Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)

    Bronze Age 2 Populations
    Distance to: True Caesar

    1.59115478 84.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 15.20% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)
    1.69730799 33.60% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 66.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
    1.71590661 85.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 15.00% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)
    2.42189281 49.00% EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18) + 51.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
    2.6884176 18.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=7) + 81.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
    2.78169513 25.40% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4) + 74.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
    2.84353548 60.20% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 39.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.84399493 56.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 43.60% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)
    2.89182791 96.60% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 3.40% Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=4)
    2.95960877 3.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 97.00% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
    2.96937866 3.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2) + 97.00% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
    2.97014295 2.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 97.60% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
    3.0341197 93.40% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 6.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    3.040326 79.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 20.40% MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3)
    3.0549948 68.20% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 31.80% Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)
    3.07180005 2.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24) + 97.60% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
    3.08046312 2.20% Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9) + 97.80% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
    3.11285152 97.80% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 2.20% Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)
    3.13242076 18.00% EMBA_Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 82.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
    3.15717176 2.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 97.20% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
    3.17671521 25.60% EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18) + 74.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
    3.26430697 90.00% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 10.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
    3.29712765 58.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5) + 41.40% MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3)
    3.30513966 97.80% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 2.20% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)
    3.32772977 98.00% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 2.00% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)


    Iron Age & Antiquity Single Distance
    Distance to: True Caesar

    6.81678077 Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
    7.22959197 Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
    7.36313113 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    10.47329938 Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
    13.78856048 Iron_Age_Sweden_(n=4)
    15.58710364 Iron_Age_Norway_(n=6)
    19.25478122 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
    22.95246174 Latins_(n=4)
    23.11163776 Villanovans_(n=2)
    26.37949203 Cimmerians_(n=6)
    26.49583741 Etruscans_(n=3)
    28.38447287 Iron_Age_Finland_(n=3)
    31.61981657 Sarmatians_(n=14)
    34.38290854 Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)
    36.17065109 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    37.17051251 Tian_Shan_Saka_(n=5)
    41.72189953 Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
    43.73885001 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    45.41340661 Iron_Age_Armenia_(n=7)
    47.46931746 Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
    61.68818607 Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6)
    63.91114379 Iron_Age_&_Hellenistic_Egypt_(n=3)

    Iron Age Single Populations
    Target:True Caesar

    Distance: 1.4333% / 1.43325196
    48.3 Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)

    36.9 Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)

    9.4 Iron_Age_Armenia_(n=7)

    5 Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)

    0.4 Latins_(n=4)

    Iron Age 2 Populations
    Distance to: True Caesar

    2.75187935 82.40% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 17.60% Sarmatians_(n=14)
    2.996652 40.20% Latins_(n=4) + 59.80% Iron_Age_Norway_(n=6)
    3.15590703 69.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 30.40% Iron_Age_Norway_(n=6)
    3.19892371 30.40% Villanovans_(n=2) + 69.60% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
    3.57323413 80.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 19.40% Cimmerians_(n=6)
    3.59732866 84.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 15.80% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)
    3.8589234 85.80% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 14.20% Tian_Shan_Saka_(n=5)
    3.8630115 36.80% Villanovans_(n=2) + 63.20% Iron_Age_Sweden_(n=4)
    3.97940546 61.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 39.00% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
    4.02964527 30.00% Latins_(n=4) + 70.00% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
    4.11643077 68.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 31.60% Iron_Age_Sweden_(n=4)
    4.18518154 21.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 79.00% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
    4.197866 36.80% Latins_(n=4) + 63.20% Iron_Age_Sweden_(n=4)
    4.37908155 76.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 23.40% Western_Scythians_(n=28)
    4.38652145 10.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 89.20% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
    4.43890894 12.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 87.40% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
    4.50035087 9.80% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) + 90.20% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
    4.53444738 26.60% Etruscans_(n=3) + 73.40% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
    4.60175726 39.60% Villanovans_(n=2) + 60.40% Iron_Age_Norway_(n=6)
    4.61345395 7.60% Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6) + 92.40% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
    4.61423963 11.00% Iron_Age_Armenia_(n=7) + 89.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
    4.65893618 17.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 82.20% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
    4.67794238 18.00% Villanovans_(n=2) + 82.00% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
    4.6901382 46.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 53.40% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
    4.84422562 79.60% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4) + 20.40% Western_Scythians_(n=28)

    Late Antiquity & Middle Ages Single Distance
    Distance to: True Caesar

    5.54721552 Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
    5.84649468 Lombards_(n=28)
    6.07796841 Roman_Britain_(n=8)
    7.6596214 Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
    8.05869096 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    8.29250867 Vikings_from_England_(n=28)
    9.88838207 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    10.32814117 Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
    11.42776881 Norwegian_Vikings_(n=12)
    12.84083331 Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    13.38827099 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    15.7367055 Vikings_from_Russia_(n=15)
    16.42927874 Vikings_from_Ukraine_(n=4)
    16.87251019 Vikings_from_Poland_(n=9)
    18.47990801 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    18.53760233 Avars_(n=2)
    21.62859681 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    24.51752027 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    26.4309629 Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)
    29.45737938 Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)
    30.02886112 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    31.08826628 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    31.88300801 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    32.25517633 Iron_Age_Kangju_(n=4)
    32.56310642 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)

    Late Antiquity & Early Middle Ages Single Populations
    Target: True Caesar

    Distance: 2.2659% / 2.26592917
    69 Lombards_(n=28)

    12.5 Roman_Britain_(n=8)

    10.2 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)

    8.3 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)

    Late Antiquity & Early Middle Ages 2 Populations
    Distance to: True Caesar

    2.43289014 22.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 77.60% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.70413151 14.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 85.20% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.86187318 19.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 80.80% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.91858733 17.20% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16) + 82.80% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.97033783 13.60% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24) + 86.40% Lombards_(n=28)
    3.0144616 27.80% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24) + 72.20% Lombards_(n=28)
    3.24127562 19.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 80.20% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
    3.24666273 12.00% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7) + 88.00% Lombards_(n=28)
    3.396539 24.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 75.40% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
    3.39995769 28.00% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24) + 72.00% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
    3.43125451 17.20% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16) + 82.80% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
    3.43698022 14.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 85.60% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
    3.46791312 28.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16) + 71.40% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
    3.5028751 43.00% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24) + 57.00% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
    3.57655722 12.60% Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5) + 87.40% Lombards_(n=28)
    3.66559614 16.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 83.60% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
    3.69296151 24.40% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24) + 75.60% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
    3.69644235 12.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 87.80% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
    3.6989282 13.20% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24) + 86.80% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
    3.7436355 12.80% Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5) + 87.20% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
    3.76244985 14.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16) + 85.60% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
    3.77998859 19.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 80.20% Vikings_from_England_(n=28)
    3.79251581 36.40% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24) + 63.60% Vikings_from_England_(n=28)
    3.81735871 11.20% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24) + 88.80% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
    3.81843095 23.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16) + 76.60% Vikings_from_England_(n=28)
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    3 members found this post helpful.
    Thanks to Jovialis I was able to add more Neolithic samples from Anatolia, bringing to total of aceramic Neolithic from 8 to 14 and or Early Neolithic from 7 to 20 samples.
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    Great additions, Maciamo!

    Here are my genetic affinities using only sample cohorts from the Epipalaeolithic to the Chalcolithic.

    Early Neolithic Anatolia is my closest, albeit at a distance of 23.6

    Distance to: Jovialis
    23.62873463 Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20)
    24.04178446 Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14)
    24.22953157 Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)
    24.28315877 Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)
    25.05136523 Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)
    26.64969418 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    27.77403284 Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6)
    27.80616658 LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)
    28.89243500 Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15)
    29.31258262 Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14)
    29.60775743 LN_Tisza-Sopot_culture_(n=11)
    29.76361369 EN_LBK_culture_(n=43)
    29.78313953 Middle_Chalcolithic_Hungary_(n=9)
    29.86402016 Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35)
    30.09641175 EN_Alfold_Linear_Pottery_culture_(n=20)
    30.59360391 MN_Vinca_culture_(n=6)
    31.03693284 Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10)
    31.06454732 Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4)
    31.48242526 Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10)
    34.11857119 Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)
    34.41035455 Mesolithic_Anatolia_(AHG)_(n=1)
    35.25574847 Chalcolithic_Israel
    36.16582088 Chalcolithic_Italy_(n=5)
    38.92927048 Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19)
    39.94916269 Early_Neolithic_Maghreb_(n=1)
    40.28320990 Megalithic_Europe_(n=24)
    40.53531670 Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10)
    40.93693809 Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58)
    41.56312188 Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3)
    41.58420373 Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)
    43.90116513 Chalcolithic_Portugal_(n=11)
    44.41834418 Neolithic_Britain_(n=62)
    44.75089385 Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10)
    45.58891971 Middle_Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12)
    45.93225120 CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
    45.99859563 Chalcolithic_Spain_(n=60)
    47.45674662 Middle-Late_Neolithic_Portugal_(n=4)
    47.87389581 Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=10)
    48.82845789 MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)
    49.08029544 Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6)
    51.09580805 Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    52.07516491 Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1)
    57.12971906 Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3)
    59.47045569 Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)
    59.85499812 Botai_culture_(n=3)
    60.45943433 CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5)
    65.49179033 Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43)
    67.64727119 Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)
    68.55580209 Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3)
    70.35709062 Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)
    70.53476590 Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4)
    72.06702089 Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31)
    75.03895055 Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12)
    75.32657499 Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2)
    75.91438665 Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7)
    77.55921480 Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4)
    79.68623030 Late_Mesolithic_Comb_Ceramic_culture_(n=2)
    80.93197699 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)

    I get a much better fit in the two-way mixture:

    Distance to: Jovialis
    3.64061560 72.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20) + 27.80% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5)
    3.71535380 38.80% MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6) + 61.20% Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4)
    4.02620128 74.60% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20) + 25.40% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3)
    4.62903869 37.80% MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6) + 62.20% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35)
    4.65025093 69.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 30.20% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3)
    4.90628327 71.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20) + 28.80% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3)
    5.15423819 73.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 26.40% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3)
    5.63351293 61.20% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 38.80% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3)
    5.72542824 63.80% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 36.20% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1)
    6.23333332 71.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 28.80% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5)
    6.60384926 50.00% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3) + 50.00% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)
    6.61291111 71.00% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14) + 29.00% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3)
    7.07703721 63.00% Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4) + 37.00% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1)
    7.08086820 23.20% Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2) + 76.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20)
    7.65535396 50.80% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24) + 49.20% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3)
    7.97173129 22.40% Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4) + 77.60% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20)
    8.01555697 21.80% Late_Mesolithic_Comb_Ceramic_culture_(n=2) + 78.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20)
    8.01965985 24.00% Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2) + 76.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)
    8.28248983 48.20% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62) + 51.80% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3)
    8.41479614 75.20% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14) + 24.80% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3)
    8.48400502 54.20% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 45.80% Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4)
    8.55351243 52.60% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3) + 47.40% Chalcolithic_Spain_(n=60)
    8.97184120 22.80% Late_Mesolithic_Comb_Ceramic_culture_(n=2) + 77.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)
    9.02036597 51.40% Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3) + 48.60% Chalcolithic_Portugal_(n=11)
    9.03424059 23.20% Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4) + 76.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)

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    2 members found this post helpful.
    Using only Epipaleolithic to Chalcolithic samples I get something similar from you using the 2way admixtures, except that I get Globular amphora instead of Early Neolithic Anatolia.


    3.76789093 38.60% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5) + 61.40% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)
    4.90883067 33.60% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 66.40% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)

    Remedello also often scores high:

    4.38709789 46.00% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5) + 54.00% CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
    5.67636631 40.60% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 59.40% CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Using only Epipaleolithic to Chalcolithic samples I get something similar from you using the 2way admixtures, except that I get Globular amphora instead of Early Neolithic Anatolia.


    3.76789093 38.60% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5) + 61.40% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)
    4.90883067 33.60% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 66.40% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)

    Remedello also often scores high:

    4.38709789 46.00% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5) + 54.00% CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
    5.67636631 40.60% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 59.40% CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
    Makes sense considering GAC had a fair amount of WHG:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    ^^I have a feeling once other Italic tribe samples in the Iron Age are available, combining them will also match up along the Italian-cline.


    this is a linguistic map .............seems fine .............the Umbri dominate ( pale blue as they are all proto-umbri tribes )...............the only issue is that we have no north-picene on the map......as italian scholars state , the north picenes was a Liburnian colony from circa 1000Bc to about 400 to 600BC when it changed linguistically to Umbri

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    Target: Torziok12b
    Distance: 0.2384% / 0.23838372
    18.1 MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)
    17.9 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    11.8 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
    8.0 Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)
    6.8 Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)
    6.3 Iron_Age_Armenia_(n=7)
    5.5 Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35)
    4.0 Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10)
    3.7 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.1 Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)
    2.5 Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    2.2 Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10)
    1.7 Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)
    1.6 Mesolithic_Anatolia_(AHG)_(n=1)
    1.5 Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
    1.2 Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=4)
    1.1 Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
    0.9 Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)
    0.6 CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5)
    0.6 Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=8)
    0.6 Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4)
    0.2 Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3)
    0.1 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24)

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    Distance to: Torziok12b
    0.96235572 30.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 69.20% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.28275078 26.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 74.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.32009497 67.80% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 32.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
    1.32271482 38.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
    1.36758056 30.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 69.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.41204789 44.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 55.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    1.42057771 30.40% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 69.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.42644518 64.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 35.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    1.43970424 47.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.00% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)
    1.47469894 23.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 76.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    1.55218859 52.80% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14) + 47.20% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)
    1.58061234 16.00% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14) + 84.00% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    1.61329492 66.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 33.60% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
    1.62339551 14.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 85.40% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    1.63696416 54.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 45.80% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    1.64679071 54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
    1.65219103 32.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24) + 68.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.65452907 21.20% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4) + 78.80% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.68529846 51.80% EMBA_Greece_(n=6) + 48.20% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
    1.69887007 51.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 49.00% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)
    1.70260430 44.80% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 55.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.71723077 23.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 76.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.72693236 24.00% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 76.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.73022344 53.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 47.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
    1.73354583 39.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)



    Target: Torziok12b
    Distance: 1.0953% / 1.09528753 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    33.0 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    27.4 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    22.7 Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
    16.9 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)

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    Target: Dibran
    Distance: 1.1117% / 1.11166498
    45.5 Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
    25.8 Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)
    14.8 Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
    13.2 Latins_(n=4)
    0.7 Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3)


    Target: Dibran
    Distance: 1.8775% / 1.87749398 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    45.9 Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
    35.2 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    18.9 Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)

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    6 members found this post helpful.
    I have added the average for 23 samples from Early Bronze Age Serbia (from Zegarac 2021, contemporary to the Unetice culture further north). Thanks again to Jovialis for providing the samples.

    EBA Serbians were closest to modern Bavarian Germans (distance = 6.8), followed by Northeast French (7.9) and Italians from the Aosta Valley (8.1). So, in other words, they match modern populations around the Alps (NB: no modern Swiss K12b available). Looks like a Proto-Italo-Celtic population. However they carried Y-haplogroups R1b-Z2103, J2b, I2a1a and I2a1b, which looks more typically from the Balkans than from Celtic populations. I suppose back in the EBA the people from the Balkans (be them Proto-Illyrians, Proto-Greeks or others) were still autosomally close to their Proto-Italo-Celtic cousins and that they drifted later with all the successive waves of migrations to the Balkans.

  18. #368
    Regular Member italouruguayan's Avatar
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    1 members found this post helpful.
    My results

    Distance to: italouruguayan


    11.56324781 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
    13.80911655 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    14.69083047 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    16.23768764 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    16.25998155 Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
    16.91561409 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    17.20738795 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    17.22619517 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    17.28995084 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    17.89198424 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    18.33555017 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    18.58682060 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    19.14316327 Villanovans_(n=2)
    19.40467469 Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23)
    19.72882916 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    19.86298819 Etruscans_(n=3)
    20.81990874 Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)

  19. #369
    Regular Member torzio's Avatar
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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    T1a2 - SK1480
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H95a

    Ethnic group
    North Italian
    Country: Australia



    Distance to: Torziok12b
    5.12530750 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    6.19887086 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    6.46840011 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    7.93611996 Villanovans_(n=2)
    8.83276287 Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
    9.58380926 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    9.76980041 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    11.13904394 Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23)
    11.45072923 Etruscans_(n=3)
    11.79564750 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    13.59802927 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    13.72095113 Latins_(n=4)
    14.38534671 Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
    14.46272104 Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)
    14.51663529 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    15.18951941 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    15.64978594 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
    16.26212471 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    17.55391694 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    17.79364774 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    17.83940302 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)
    18.06710824 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    18.08538360 Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)
    18.27350267 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    18.80015160 Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)

  20. #370
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    3 members found this post helpful.
    By itself, I get a far distance from EBA Serbia, but combined with Italian-Greeks, I get a pretty decent fit:


    Distance to: Jovialis
    3.44568488 24.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23) + 76.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


    Perhaps something partly owed to the legacy of Iapygians and Colonial Greeks?


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    Portuguese-Brazilian
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    2 members found this post helpful.
    Distance to: Duarte
    6.17150711 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    6.71266713 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    10.86048341 Etruscans_(n=3)
    11.27186764 Latins_(n=4)
    12.12435978 Villanovans_(n=2)
    13.33091895 Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
    14.03098001 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    14.05696980 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    14.07130058 Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)
    14.52055095 Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
    14.84792915 Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)
    15.04884381 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    15.13849068 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    15.21667178 Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
    15.30209790 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    15.31625933 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    16.25126149 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)
    16.35257166 Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23)
    16.54298643 Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)
    16.76632041 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    17.46561765 Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)
    17.48110694 Middle_Bronze_Age_Portugal_(n=4)
    18.85846229 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    18.93396947 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    20.69150309 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)






  22. #372
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    H1e

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    Italian
    Country: Italy



    3 members found this post helpful.
    Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    2.44000000 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    5.56800682 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    5.98677710 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    7.55611011 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    8.90949494 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    9.05316519 Villanovans_(n=2)
    11.05727815 Etruscans_(n=3)
    11.89520071 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    11.97150784 Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    12.46981957 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    12.65941547 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    14.29163392 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    15.88332774 Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
    16.54552810 Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23)
    16.57576846 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    16.98754544 Latins_(n=4)
    18.57900428 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
    19.17563558 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    19.70430156 EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
    20.27443217 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    20.66584138 Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9)
    21.15670816 Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
    21.25037647 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    21.28523432 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    21.49713004 Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)


    Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    1.00751716 46.80% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 53.20% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
    1.21333868 86.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 13.20% Avars_(n=2)
    1.31544663 8.00% Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4) + 92.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.33787616 89.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 10.40% Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)
    1.38280652 53.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23) + 46.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    1.38828111 9.20% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8) + 90.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.39666581 87.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 12.80% Vikings_from_Poland_(n=9)
    1.40308287 8.40% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12) + 91.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.40399532 86.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 13.40% Vikings_from_Ukraine_(n=4)
    1.41632842 7.80% Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 92.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.41891825 90.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 10.00% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)
    1.43379052 8.40% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16) + 91.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.46155456 8.60% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 91.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.51060219 58.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 41.80% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
    1.52904928 58.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23) + 41.60% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
    1.53487951 31.60% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1) + 68.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    1.54010003 7.40% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 92.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.56920293 87.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 13.00% Vikings_from_Russia_(n=15)
    1.57589108 41.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23) + 58.20% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    1.57977958 42.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 58.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    1.61842251 7.20% Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7) + 92.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.69980595 12.60% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 87.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.71689479 11.60% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17) + 88.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.78727890 9.60% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 90.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.85246345 30.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23) + 69.20% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)

  23. #373
    Regular Member Regio X's Avatar
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    2 members found this post helpful.
    In my group, my mother is the closest to the EBA Serbia, at a distance of 8.87.

    And the 2WAY (2x)...

    Distance to: RegioX_FTDNA
    1.45561826 32.20% Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6) + 67.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.46999653 68.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 31.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
    1.67252793 18.80% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 81.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.74926902 13.00% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 87.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.74930627 26.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 73.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    1.76029132 22.60% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 77.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.76477421 40.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 60.00% Lombards_(n=28)
    1.77429784 14.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24) + 85.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.80292798 84.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 15.20% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
    1.80638814 87.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 12.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
    1.80890006 84.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 15.20% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
    1.83234450 13.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 86.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.84124852 51.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 48.60% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
    1.89834842 17.20% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 82.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.95114784 11.60% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 88.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.96226943 18.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 81.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.97834395 66.40% Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20) + 33.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
    1.98747101 18.40% Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20) + 81.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.04111403 46.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 53.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    2.04139868 26.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 73.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
    2.07184724 22.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 77.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.08097702 46.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 53.40% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
    2.08941439 24.00% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 76.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
    2.09585656 9.80% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4) + 90.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.10282338 64.60% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 35.40% EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


    Distance to: RegioX_23andMe
    1.42479172 28.80% Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6) + 71.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.42565213 67.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 32.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
    1.69269007 11.60% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 88.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.72591369 16.60% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 83.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.73133944 12.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24) + 87.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.73327386 20.20% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 79.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.76857413 11.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28) + 88.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.77775440 86.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 13.40% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
    1.78771265 88.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.40% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
    1.79014750 86.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 13.40% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)
    1.81232019 27.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 72.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    1.83624360 10.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 89.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.87104660 27.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 73.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
    1.87478837 40.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 59.20% Lombards_(n=28)
    1.88304572 15.20% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 84.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.91153912 16.40% Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20) + 83.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.91527543 52.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 47.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
    1.95073919 8.80% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4) + 91.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.96838582 16.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 83.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.02572039 65.60% Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20) + 34.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
    2.02854129 20.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 79.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.05470484 87.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 12.80% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.06226154 9.60% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3) + 90.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.08128997 88.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.80% Vikings_from_England_(n=28)
    2.08153718 49.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 50.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24)


    Distance to: Father_23andMe
    1.32938666 69.40% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 30.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
    1.68410923 58.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 41.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    1.68672092 69.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 30.40% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
    1.69253886 35.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 64.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.70435498 66.60% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 33.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    1.72649841 57.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 42.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
    1.78708237 55.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 44.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
    1.82450264 41.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 58.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)
    1.85904253 23.40% Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6) + 76.60% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)
    1.88743421 42.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 58.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    1.91054641 52.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 47.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    1.92618104 51.80% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 48.20% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    1.93964645 22.00% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 78.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
    1.95151864 50.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 50.00% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)
    1.96956530 20.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 79.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
    1.98929079 48.40% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 51.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    1.99657682 30.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 70.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    2.00827714 35.20% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 64.80% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    2.05153988 50.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 49.20% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
    2.05454764 62.20% Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6) + 37.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    2.05696987 51.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 48.20% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    2.12027201 58.40% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 41.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    2.13705607 21.20% Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9) + 78.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
    2.18775624 13.80% EN_LBK_culture_(n=43) + 86.20% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    2.21463232 69.60% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 30.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)


    Distance to: Mother_23andMe
    1.13428546 52.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 47.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
    1.26915769 31.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 68.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    1.30577609 64.40% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 35.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
    1.37212134 48.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 52.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
    1.39600338 37.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 62.20% Lombards_(n=28)
    1.41828946 14.20% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 85.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.42788324 14.80% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 85.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.43590816 80.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 19.60% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
    1.45608551 81.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 19.00% Lombards_(n=28)
    1.46770172 20.40% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 79.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.51115907 83.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 16.20% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
    1.55221993 44.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 55.20% Lombards_(n=28)
    1.56463877 84.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 15.60% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    1.57234638 10.80% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 89.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.57702003 85.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 14.80% Iron_Age_Sweden_(n=4)
    1.66384361 36.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 63.60% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)
    1.66494324 40.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 60.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
    1.69650773 82.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 17.40% Vikings_from_England_(n=28)
    1.69674863 36.80% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 63.20% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
    1.72086038 37.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23) + 62.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    1.72857809 85.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 14.20% Iron_Age_Norway_(n=6)
    1.76323006 81.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 18.20% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    1.76636728 85.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 14.80% Vikings_from_Russia_(n=15)
    1.77175302 53.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 46.60% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)
    1.78432064 81.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 18.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)


    Distance to: Uncle_FTDNA
    2.10257680 89.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 10.80% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)
    2.16248059 89.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 10.60% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)
    2.18041325 9.40% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 90.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.21231735 9.20% Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7) + 90.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.22020300 82.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 17.80% Avars_(n=2)
    2.24420564 46.80% Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14) + 53.20% Avars_(n=2)
    2.26102532 88.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 12.00% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)
    2.27613236 9.80% Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 90.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.38074554 10.20% Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4) + 89.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.42696102 86.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 13.60% Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)
    2.51028718 33.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2) + 66.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
    2.52852321 8.40% Late_Mesolithic_Comb_Ceramic_culture_(n=2) + 91.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.58225690 16.00% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 84.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23)
    2.60876138 8.60% Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4) + 91.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.61565093 81.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23) + 18.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
    2.62565964 82.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 18.00% Vikings_from_Ukraine_(n=4)
    2.62897121 87.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 12.60% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)
    2.64067248 27.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 72.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
    2.67815558 82.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 17.20% Vikings_from_Poland_(n=9)
    2.68466467 9.80% Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4) + 90.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.69505548 11.00% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 89.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.74931552 48.00% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 52.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
    2.75963635 28.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 71.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
    2.76015167 51.40% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 48.60% Vikings_from_Poland_(n=9)
    2.81314518 29.00% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 71.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)


    Distance to: In-law_23andMe
    1.01210221 47.00% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 53.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)
    2.22538734 38.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 61.20% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.27872520 63.60% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 36.40% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
    2.35182804 37.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 62.20% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
    2.72274514 31.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 68.40% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
    2.80155786 30.80% Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4) + 69.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
    2.85427586 8.20% Late_Mesolithic_Comb_Ceramic_culture_(n=2) + 91.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.85995317 30.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 69.80% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
    2.87800188 43.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 56.80% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
    2.89917958 18.20% Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=8) + 81.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23)
    2.90609420 8.60% Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2) + 91.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    2.93776574 8.40% Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4) + 91.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    3.04070580 36.80% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2) + 63.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
    3.11361558 30.00% Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=8) + 70.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
    3.14402052 18.80% Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4) + 81.20% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23)
    3.16907365 83.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 16.60% Avars_(n=2)
    3.21042754 90.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 10.00% Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12)
    3.23637689 8.40% Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7) + 91.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    3.28575052 41.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2) + 58.80% Vikings_from_England_(n=28)
    3.29612824 54.40% EMBA_Greece_(n=6) + 45.60% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    3.29871889 90.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 9.80% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)
    3.31187511 8.80% Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3) + 91.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    3.34586843 8.60% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 91.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    3.34645946 89.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 11.00% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)
    3.41042752 54.60% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 45.40% EMBA_Greece_(n=6)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    By itself, I get a far distance from EBA Serbia, but combined with Italian-Greeks, I get a pretty decent fit:


    Distance to: Jovialis
    3.44568488 24.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23) + 76.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


    Perhaps something partly owed to the legacy of Iapygians and Colonial Greeks?


    i do not understand your comment

    Iapgians come from next to Liburnia

    The region was known to the Greeks of the 5th century BC as Iapygía (Ἰαπυγία), and its inhabitants as the Iápyges (Ἰάπυγες). It was probably the term used by the indigenous peoples to designate themselves.[1] The name Iapyges has also been compared to that of the Iapydes, an Illyrian tribe of northern Dalmatia.[2]

    they come from ...see map below



    I do not recall any greeks in the adriatic until 700BC


    The EBA serbians seems to be mostly a Thracian/Paeonian/Macedonian mix ............could also be some dardanian

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    or is it part of this findiing

    Balkan Celtic warrior burial excavated at Ajmana, near Kladovo / Кладово in the Bor district of eastern Serbia. Grave goods in the (cremation) burial, which dates to the 1st century BC, included metal and ceramic vessels, knives, spears, and a ‘sacrificial’ curved dagger (Sica).


    https://www.academia.edu/24234744/TH...ELTIC_MACHAIRA


    The use of curved single-edged swords –μαχαιρα/machaira* (and variants thereof) –

    developed during the Bronze Age in south-eastern Europe, with both the Iapodic and Liburian groups on the eastern Adriatic coast using variants of the machaira during this period

    (Batović 1983:314; Dreschler-Bižić 1983:383-384).

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