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Thread: Eupedia Ancient Ethnicities Checker: reliably compare your DNA to ancient populations

  1. #451
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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I2-M223
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H2A3

    Ethnic group
    Italian-Sicily-South
    Country: United States



    1 members found this post helpful.
    My Top 25 (I used gradient of 100, hard for me to see!). Thanks Doggerland for the coordinates. Some new ones I haven't seen Dodecad 12B coordinates before (i.e. Zaty Kun, Kostinki)

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani_ANCESTRY
    18.62778033 Neolithic_Varna
    24.64583129 Karanovo
    26.88923391 Vinca
    27.47262820 Western_Linear_Pottery
    27.75929394 Neolithic_Balkans
    29.11750504 Rössen
    30.10667700 Stroke_Ornament_Pottery
    31.52163225 Shulaveri_Shomu
    32.01200400 Cardial_Pottery
    34.21733479 Egyptian_Mummies
    37.98292116 Guanches
    38.14343718 Baalberg
    39.41917681 Single_Grave
    39.45185547 Michelsberg
    40.32181296 Pestera_Muierii
    41.73242145 Kostenki
    42.54477171 Sunghir
    42.78794690 Goyet
    43.20745885 Maikop
    45.42375480 Picts
    45.52466694 Late_Neolithic_Denmark
    45.82132473 Gravettian_Krems
    45.85509241 Salkhit_Paleolithic_Mongolia
    47.74471594 Neolithic_Scotland
    47.87293181 Neolithic_Ireland

  2. #452
    Regular Member italouruguayan's Avatar
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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1B U106 L44
    MtDNA haplogroup
    A2

    Ethnic group
    Mixed , mostly Italian
    Country: Uruguay



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    Mine...

    Distance to: italouruguayan
    4.86379567 64.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 35.20% Iron_Age_Altai_(n=5)
    5.26189133 38.20% LBA_South_Siberia_(n=4) + 61.80% Medieval_Basilicata_(n=10)
    5.48588559 39.20% LBA_South_Siberia_(n=4) + 60.80% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    5.58091313 34.20% LBA_Karasuk_culture_(n=7) + 65.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    5.61472196 70.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16) + 29.60% Iron_Age_Altai_(n=5)
    5.82932281 43.80% LBA_South_Siberia_(n=4) + 56.20% Imperial-age_Tuscany_(n=4)
    5.93956569 62.20% Villanovans_(n=2) + 37.80% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
    6.00656928 36.60% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12) + 63.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    6.12282944 37.40% LBA_South_Siberia_(n=4) + 62.60% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    6.21140690 33.40% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12) + 66.60% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    6.25728444 35.40% LBA_South_Siberia_(n=4) + 64.60% Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    6.31926771 34.40% LBA_Karasuk_culture_(n=7) + 65.60% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    6.33378527 64.80% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24) + 35.20% Iron_Age_Altai_(n=5)
    6.34837689 30.80% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12) + 69.20% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    6.39030617 65.00% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 35.00% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
    6.43121442 67.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16) + 32.40% Medieval_Steppe_Turks_(n=2)
    6.45667178 63.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 36.20% Tian_Shan_Huns_(n=8)
    6.47363205 58.40% Etruscans_(n=48) + 41.60% Eastern_Scythians_(n=12)
    6.47423214 64.20% Medieval_Tuscany_(n=10) + 35.80% Iron_Age_Altai_(n=5)
    6.51939547 35.00% LBA_Karasuk_culture_(n=7) + 65.00% Medieval_Tuscany_(n=10)
    6.61272977 38.00% LBA_South_Siberia_(n=4) + 62.00% Medieval_Tuscany_(n=10)
    6.62089263 66.80% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 33.20% Iron_Age_Altai_(n=5)
    6.62728430 34.80% Iron_Age_Finland_(n=3) + 65.20% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    6.64261901 34.00% Iron_Age_Finland_(n=3) + 66.00% Medieval_Basilicata_(n=10)
    6.64371609 36.80% LBA_South_Siberia_(n=4) + 63.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)

  3. #453
    Regular Member italouruguayan's Avatar
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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1B U106 L44
    MtDNA haplogroup
    A2

    Ethnic group
    Mixed , mostly Italian
    Country: Uruguay



    Distance to: italouruguayan
    22.06450090 Pestera_Muierii
    24.69293016 Kostenki
    24.85900843 Single_Grave
    24.92353907 Sunghir
    26.86577377 Goyet
    27.85746938 Gravettian_Krems
    28.11776840 Late_Neolithic_Denmark
    30.76491346 Picts
    31.79518202 Yana_Paleolithic
    31.81235609 Neolithic_Varna
    31.96437548 Salkhit_Paleolithic_Mongolia
    34.42946703 El-Miron
    36.15605205 Mesolithic_Spain
    36.48828990 Rössen
    37.25880299 Potapovka
    37.70810390 La-Brana
    39.07483973 Lengynel
    39.82630663 Guanches
    40.09761589 Karanovo
    41.17115859 Vinca
    41.51991089 Baalberg
    41.75873561 Stroke_Ornament_Pottery
    42.83823176 Western_Linear_Pottery
    43.06889713 Michelsberg
    43.20788585 Neolithic_Balkans
    43.68328628 Mesolithic_Italy
    44.07311652 Cardial_Pottery
    44.09478881 Funnel_Beaker
    44.64048387 Zlaty_Kun
    45.36168868 Mal_Ta_Buret
    45.44488420 Ust_Ishim
    46.04009557 Mesolithic_France
    46.61005042 Tarim_Mummies
    46.76495055 Grotte_du_Bichon
    47.27184257 Pitted_Ware
    47.62310259 Neolithic_Scotland
    47.72193416 Egyptian_Mummies
    48.54327348 Neolithic_Ireland
    48.57719115 Afontova_Gora
    48.90568167 Mesolithic_Ireland
    48.96554401 Shulaveri_Shomu
    49.46277388 Kumsay
    50.11245853 Loschbour
    51.37345813 Ertebölle
    51.54780888 Neolithic_Atlantic
    52.62188803 Mesolithic_Germany
    54.41349741 Maikop
    57.84064834 Neolithic_Cambridgeshire
    60.42030371 Cheddar_Man
    60.52341943 Hungary_HG
    60.89651386 Latvia_HG
    62.13677494 Norway_HG
    64.26518031 EHG
    64.55789572 Maglemose
    69.90873408 Motala_HG
    72.90000754 Early_Eastern_Fertile_Crescent_Neolithic

  4. #454
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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I1a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H5a1a

    Ethnic group
    Germanic
    Country: Germany - Niedersachsen



    Mine when combined:

    Distance to: Doggerland
    2.28385639 Lombards_(n=28)
    2.28877697 Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)
    2.78870938 Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
    4.20940613 Iron_Age_Netherlands_(n=5)
    5.43758218 Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
    5.50345346 Vikings_from_England_(n=28)
    5.79815488 Roman_Britain_(n=8)
    6.13406880 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    6.15432368 Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
    6.28520485 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)
    6.44443170 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24)
    7.03029871 Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
    7.14079827 La_Tène_Celts_(n=55)
    7.30080817 Iron_Age_Britain_(n=4)
    7.59755882 Late_Neolithic_Denmark
    7.64193693 Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)
    7.78760554 Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
    7.90611156 MBA_Tumulus_culture_(n=4)
    8.13084251 Early_Iron_Age_Britain_(n=37)
    8.20908643 Picts
    8.34149267 Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    8.39165657 Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)
    8.78788939 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    9.61015088 Iron_Age_Northeastern_Gaul_(n=24)
    9.61371416 EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)

    Only the additional ones I posted:

    Distance to: Doggerland
    7.59755882 Late_Neolithic_Denmark
    8.20908643 Picts
    13.35216462 Single_Grave
    16.29555461 Mesolithic_Spain
    16.43299121 El-Miron
    19.24814017 Mesolithic_Italy
    19.31354188 La-Brana
    19.47944814 Lengynel
    20.09774117 Gravettian_Krems
    22.75326790 Mesolithic_France
    23.65141433 Grotte_du_Bichon
    25.00876446 Pitted_Ware
    26.05683787 Potapovka
    26.14114955 Mesolithic_Ireland
    27.78961317 Pestera_Muierii
    27.89103261 Loschbour
    29.79789590 Ertebölle
    30.57991498 Kostenki
    30.93097477 Sunghir
    31.00622679 Mesolithic_Germany
    32.57443169 Goyet
    36.02512457 Funnel_Beaker
    41.14242944 Cheddar_Man
    41.97155942 Latvia_HG
    43.33110199 Yana_Paleolithic

    Late Neolithic Denmark already has Indo-European introgression.

    HGs only:

    Distance to: Doggerland
    16.29555461 Mesolithic_Spain
    16.43299121 El-Miron
    19.24814017 Mesolithic_Italy
    19.31354188 La-Brana
    20.09774117 Gravettian_Krems
    22.75326790 Mesolithic_France
    23.14602342 Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)
    23.65141433 Grotte_du_Bichon
    25.00876446 Pitted_Ware
    26.14114955 Mesolithic_Ireland
    27.78961317 Pestera_Muierii
    27.89103261 Loschbour
    29.79789590 Ertebölle
    30.57991498 Kostenki
    30.93097477 Sunghir
    30.98825745 Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43)
    31.00622679 Mesolithic_Germany
    32.57443169 Goyet
    40.01396506 Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31)
    41.14242944 Cheddar_Man
    41.97155942 Latvia_HG
    43.33110199 Yana_Paleolithic
    44.21436757 Afontova_Gora
    45.32692357 Mal_Ta_Buret
    45.87200889 Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7)
    I wonder if this has something to do with the I1 sample from Balma Guilanya and the idea that people migrated from the South into the North again before the Bronze Age. I do not seem to have great affinity to the earlier Scandinavian HGs.

    I added it to the list. Wow, didn't expect this:

    Distance to: Doggerland
    15.55293220 Balma_Guilanya_Azilian
    16.29555461 Mesolithic_Spain
    16.43299121 El-Miron
    19.24814017 Mesolithic_Italy
    19.31354188 La-Brana
    20.09774117 Gravettian_Krems
    22.75326790 Mesolithic_France
    23.14602342 Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)
    23.65141433 Grotte_du_Bichon
    25.00876446 Pitted_Ware
    26.14114955 Mesolithic_Ireland
    27.78961317 Pestera_Muierii
    27.89103261 Loschbour
    29.79789590 Ertebölle
    30.57991498 Kostenki
    30.93097477 Sunghir
    30.98825745 Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43)
    31.00622679 Mesolithic_Germany
    32.57443169 Goyet
    40.01396506 Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31)
    41.14242944 Cheddar_Man
    41.97155942 Latvia_HG
    43.33110199 Yana_Paleolithic
    44.21436757 Afontova_Gora
    45.32692357 Mal_Ta_Buret

    Code:
     Balma_Guilanya_Azilian,0.00,0.39,0.00,0.03,35.82,54.35,4.68,0.00,0.00,4.22,0.00,0.51
    Last edited by Doggerland; 22-04-22 at 09:32.

  5. #455
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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I1a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H5a1a

    Ethnic group
    Germanic
    Country: Germany - Niedersachsen



    This could be interesting for Non-Europeans and people of mixed descent:

    Code:
    Neanderthal_Altai,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.63,0.23,3.62,0.00,19.20,0.00,0.00,0.00,74.32
    Denisova_Altai,0.00,0.28,0.00,0.15,0.10,1.28,0.00,19.54,0.00,0.76,0.00,77.90
    Mota_Ethiopia,1.58,0.75,0.29,0.23,0.00,0.37,1.46,55.98,0.00,1.31,0.00,38.04
    Shum_Laka,0.11,0.09,0.00,0.26,0.00,0.10,0.47,28.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,70.17
    Malawi_Mesolithic,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.08,1.78,1.23,1.11,46.86,4.94,0.07,2.34,40.60
    Vaalkrans_Man,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.73,1.52,0.04,0.53,44.11,2.64,0.00,0.00,50.44
    Tanzania_Neolithic,0.30,0.23,0.00,0.52,0.00,0.62,0.66,52.37,0.00,0.00,0.00,45.30
    Kenia_Bronze_Age,0.00,0.00,11.14,0.58,0.27,0.00,0.00,51.98,22.82,0.00,7.85,5.36
    Ancient_Zambia,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,41.63,0.00,0.83,0.00,55.54
    Ancient_Papuan,3.45,4.56,0.62,32.29,0.00,0.00,39.33,3.58,1.73,11.26,0.00,3.18
    Ancient_Polynesian,0.00,0.00,0.0,55.83,0.00,0.00,20.61,2.84,0.00,20.72,0.00,0.00
    Leang_Panninge,7.04,2.43,0.00,16.00,6.30,3.44,39.89,5.50,0.00,13.69,0.00,5.72
    Canaanite,8.40,0.00,3.62,1.07,9.13,0.00,0.00,0.88,30.52,0.00,46.38,0.00
    Caspian_Sea_Mesolithic,62.85,2.17,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.62,9.06,0.00,6.90,0.00,14.10,3.29
    Neolithic_Iran,56.66,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,4.15,0.00,7.64,0.00,30.42,1.13
    Chalcolithic_Israel,0.00,0.25,2.99,0.00,14.47,0.00,0.00,1.81,40.95,0.00,39.53,0.00
    Mesolithic_Andes,6.70,37.47,0.00,3.32,0.00,14.71,3.10,0.00,0.00,34.52,0.00,0.19
    Argentinia_Mesolithic,4.66,35.88,0.00,3.51,0.00,17.46,3.94,0.00,0.00,34.05,0.00,0.49
    Clovis_Culture,7.03,33.37,0.00,6.35,0.00,18.42,4.44,0.00,0.00,29.62,0.00,0.76
    Kennewick_Man,9.60,36.54,0.00,5.67,0.00,17.59,4.20,0.00,0.00,23.03,0.00,3.37
    Mesolithic_Middle_America,7.44,38.17,0.00,4.66,0.00,14.35,4.36,0.00,0.00,30.16,0.00,0.87
    Detroit_Bronze_Age,7.69,33.76,0.00,1.50,0.00,20.61,4.11,1.21,0.00,29.99,0.00,1.13
    Pre_Pottery_Brazil,6.40,36.71,0.00,2.55,0.00,14.98,6.06,0.00,0.00,32.91,0.00,0.38
    Tianyuan,0.00,8.16,0.00,16.94,4.57,7.99,34.88,0.00,0.00,23.78,0.00,3.69
    Trans_Baikal_Mesolithic,0.00,48.73,0.00,0.71,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.02,0.03,50.02,0.19,0.30
    SamiKola,1.41,18.65,0.00,0.00,12.41,60.96,0.44,0.00,0.20,5.12,0.76,0.06
    Paleo_Saqqaq,4.06,45.91,0.28,1.21,0.11,11.62,1.87,0.38,0.00,28.76,0.00,5.80
    Yakut_Neolithic,0.00,74.18,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.39,0.31,0.10,0.00,23.91,0.00,1.09
    Baikal_Bronze_Age,2.95,54.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,8.98,0.47,0.86,0.00,32.15,0.00,0.04
    Baikal_Neolithic,0.00,51.71,0.12,0.00,0.00,0.33,0.40,0.00,0.00,47.13,0.00,0.30
    Devils_Gate,0.00,29.83,0.00,1.21,0.00,0.11,0.00,0.44,0.00,68.03,0.00,0.39
    Modern Non-Europeans:
    Code:
    Toubou,0.00,0.00,17.91,0.00,0.65,0.00,0.07,35.58,6.09,0.00,0.00,39.71
    West_Bantu,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.04,0.00,9.41,0.00,0.06,0.00,90.48
    Pygmy,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,19.17,0.00,0.00,0.15,80.68
    Saharawi,0.00,0.00,38.71,0.00,19.71,0.00,0.00,10.63,16.81,0.00,6.01,8.12
    Khomani_San,0.05,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,36.04,0.00,0.17,0.15,63.60
    Bedouin,4.84,0.17,6.68,0.00,8.41,0.90,0.00,4.72,35.51,1.51,32.67,4.58
    Berber,0.00,0.00,100.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Palestine,5.27,0.19,4.98,0.37,9.49,0.32,0.00,8.30,32.42,0.00,35.82,2.84
    Druze_Israel,8.90,0.36,1.12,0.00,11.16,2.36,0.21,0.00,21.95,0.00,53.36,0.58
    Iraqi_Jew,17.70,0.00,4.11,0.00,11.58,1.82,1.89,0.38,21.17,0.00,41.35,0.00
    Kalash_Pakistan,41.18,3.02,0.00,0.00,0.08,17.51,22.27,0.00,1.08,0.00,14.86,0.00
    Burushuo,13.35,7.33,0.47,15.53,13.38,15.66,3.23,0.00,6.45,20.69,0.00,3.90
    Punjabi_Indian,40.47,0.49,0.00,0.00,0.69,15.28,33.23,0.00,1.62,0.00,8.21,0.00
    South_Indian,35.30,0.00,0.45,1.05,0.00,2.08,54.89,0.00,1.59,2.41,1.95,0.29
    Mamanwa_Negrito,0.00,3.11,0.25,55.89,2.32,3.12,20.36,0.00,0.00,14.14,0.00,0.82
    Aboriginal_Austraian,3.28,5.91,0.00,22.76,0.78,3.72,43.16,4.99,0.70,9.51,0.00,5.19
    Andaman,2.48,4.00,1.33,22.96,1.11,1.05,49.80,3.29,0.77,10.81,0.00,2.39
    Karitiana,1.08,35.00,0.00,6.15,0.00,22.14,4.81,0.00,0.00,30.82,0.00,0.00
    Maya,8.47,33.09,0.00,4.32,0.00,18.22,4.93,00.00,0.00,30.75,0.00,0.22
    Modern_Native_American,6.61,35.33,0.00,4.31,0.00,21.77,0.00,0.00,0.00,31.82,0.00,0.16
    Pueblo_Native,0.00,61.80,0.00,0.00,7.74,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.04,29.42,0.00,0.00
    Surui,8.86,35.08,0.00,4.73,0.00,13.73,6.22,0.00,0.00,31.38,0.00,0.00
    Yakut,3.29,47.71,0.00,0.54,5.46,16.06,0.98,0.00,0.01,21.38,4.57,0.00
    Japanese,0.00,3.51,0.00,10.75,0.00,0.00,0.80,0.00,0.00,84.95,0.00,0.00
    Khanty,9.83,44.07,0.00,0.00,2.01,34.16,0.73,0.00,0.05,9.11,0.00,0.05
    Chinese,0.00,3.90,0.00,25.85,0.00,0.00,4.58,0.00,0.00,65.67,0.00,0.00
    Mongolian,3.45,44.30,0.00,0.57,2.04,2.97,0.00,0.00,0.00,45.41,1.25,0.00

  6. #456
    Regular Member italouruguayan's Avatar
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    Montevideo, Uruguay
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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1B U106 L44
    MtDNA haplogroup
    A2

    Ethnic group
    Mixed , mostly Italian
    Country: Uruguay



    Thank you , Doggerland!


    Distance to: italouruguayan
    43.72673782 SamiKola
    47.54004312 Kennewick_Man
    48.36862309 Detroit_Bronze_Age
    48.40687348 Clovis_Culture
    50.07160772 Canaanite
    51.32959283 Chalcolithic_Israel
    52.04195807 Mesolithic_Middle_America
    52.10775374 Argentinia_Mesolithic
    52.37384844 Tianyuan
    52.49275760 Pre_Pottery_Brazil
    53.71086855 Mesolithic_Andes
    54.06173878 Leang_Panninge
    56.93728919 Paleo_Saqqaq
    62.83360168 Ancient_Papuan
    64.70930459 Neolithic_Iran
    65.23196226 Baikal_Bronze_Age
    66.46133086 Kenia_Bronze_Age
    67.78410581 Caspian_Sea_Mesolithic
    70.93168403 Malawi_Mesolithic
    71.84999165 Ancient_Polynesian
    73.49083888 Baikal_Neolithic
    73.50152856 Trans_Baikal_Mesolithic
    76.08621426 Vaalkrans_Man
    77.23369213 Mota_Ethiopia
    78.18623408 Devils_Gate
    78.55604687 Tanzania_Neolithic
    78.68879781 Ancient_Zambia
    80.68694628 Yakut_Neolithic
    83.91630771 Neanderthal_Altai
    84.15457266 Shum_Laka
    87.68223879 Denisova_Altai


    Distance to: italouruguayan
    31.45177261 Burushuo
    42.81362283 Iraqi_Jew
    45.73918123 Palestine
    46.01977836 Bedouin
    48.64783243 Saharawi
    48.78728318 Khanty
    48.84053747 Maya
    49.63879430 Druze_Israel
    49.78147748 Kalash_Pakistan
    49.80124597 Karitiana
    50.14384808 Modern_Native_American
    51.21612734 Yakut
    51.22317347 Surui
    55.55317813 Punjabi_Indian
    59.69892043 Aboriginal_Austraian
    65.33072937 Andaman
    66.02548296 Mongolian
    66.63176570 Toubou
    68.53245363 Mamanwa_Negrito
    70.05532885 Pueblo_Native
    71.91597597 South_Indian
    76.63387045 Chinese
    81.82053043 Khomani_San
    89.91702620 Japanese
    90.42599571 Pygmy
    97.70978354 West_Bantu
    105.00071571 Berber

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    Thank you, Doggerland!


    Target: Dodecad_K12b_ΙωάννηςΓαβριήλ
    Distance: 1.0762% / 1.07616100
    38.5 Latins_(n=4)
    27.7 Mandenka
    14.0 Pygmy
    5.6 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    4.2 Shum_Laka
    3.0 Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3)
    2.8 Yakut_Neolithic
    2.2 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
    0.8 Bhunjia
    0.7 Tanzania_Neolithic
    0.4 Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    0.1 Bronze_Age_Kola_peninsula_(n=6)



    Target: Dodecad_K12b_ΙωάννηςΓαβριήλ
    Distance: 1.3295% / 1.32953506 | R7P
    45.5 Bantu_S.W._Herero
    38.6 Latins_(n=4)
    5.7 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    3.7 Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3)
    3.5 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
    3.0 Yakut_Neolithic
    Last edited by Ιωάννης Γαβριήλ; 24-04-22 at 01:08.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doggerland View Post
    This could be interesting for Non-Europeans and people of mixed descent:

    Code:
    Neanderthal_Altai,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.63,0.23,3.62,0.00,19.20,0.00,0.00,0.00,74.32
    Denisova_Altai,0.00,0.28,0.00,0.15,0.10,1.28,0.00,19.54,0.00,0.76,0.00,77.90
    Mota_Ethiopia,1.58,0.75,0.29,0.23,0.00,0.37,1.46,55.98,0.00,1.31,0.00,38.04
    Shum_Laka,0.11,0.09,0.00,0.26,0.00,0.10,0.47,28.80,0.00,0.00,0.00,70.17
    Malawi_Mesolithic,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.08,1.78,1.23,1.11,46.86,4.94,0.07,2.34,40.60
    Vaalkrans_Man,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.73,1.52,0.04,0.53,44.11,2.64,0.00,0.00,50.44
    Tanzania_Neolithic,0.30,0.23,0.00,0.52,0.00,0.62,0.66,52.37,0.00,0.00,0.00,45.30
    Kenia_Bronze_Age,0.00,0.00,11.14,0.58,0.27,0.00,0.00,51.98,22.82,0.00,7.85,5.36
    Ancient_Zambia,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,41.63,0.00,0.83,0.00,55.54
    Ancient_Papuan,3.45,4.56,0.62,32.29,0.00,0.00,39.33,3.58,1.73,11.26,0.00,3.18
    Ancient_Polynesian,0.00,0.00,0.0,55.83,0.00,0.00,20.61,2.84,0.00,20.72,0.00,0.00
    Leang_Panninge,7.04,2.43,0.00,16.00,6.30,3.44,39.89,5.50,0.00,13.69,0.00,5.72
    Canaanite,8.40,0.00,3.62,1.07,9.13,0.00,0.00,0.88,30.52,0.00,46.38,0.00
    Caspian_Sea_Mesolithic,62.85,2.17,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.62,9.06,0.00,6.90,0.00,14.10,3.29
    Neolithic_Iran,56.66,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,4.15,0.00,7.64,0.00,30.42,1.13
    Chalcolithic_Israel,0.00,0.25,2.99,0.00,14.47,0.00,0.00,1.81,40.95,0.00,39.53,0.00
    Mesolithic_Andes,6.70,37.47,0.00,3.32,0.00,14.71,3.10,0.00,0.00,34.52,0.00,0.19
    Argentinia_Mesolithic,4.66,35.88,0.00,3.51,0.00,17.46,3.94,0.00,0.00,34.05,0.00,0.49
    Clovis_Culture,7.03,33.37,0.00,6.35,0.00,18.42,4.44,0.00,0.00,29.62,0.00,0.76
    Kennewick_Man,9.60,36.54,0.00,5.67,0.00,17.59,4.20,0.00,0.00,23.03,0.00,3.37
    Mesolithic_Middle_America,7.44,38.17,0.00,4.66,0.00,14.35,4.36,0.00,0.00,30.16,0.00,0.87
    Detroit_Bronze_Age,7.69,33.76,0.00,1.50,0.00,20.61,4.11,1.21,0.00,29.99,0.00,1.13
    Pre_Pottery_Brazil,6.40,36.71,0.00,2.55,0.00,14.98,6.06,0.00,0.00,32.91,0.00,0.38
    Tianyuan,0.00,8.16,0.00,16.94,4.57,7.99,34.88,0.00,0.00,23.78,0.00,3.69
    Trans_Baikal_Mesolithic,0.00,48.73,0.00,0.71,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.02,0.03,50.02,0.19,0.30
    SamiKola,1.41,18.65,0.00,0.00,12.41,60.96,0.44,0.00,0.20,5.12,0.76,0.06
    Paleo_Saqqaq,4.06,45.91,0.28,1.21,0.11,11.62,1.87,0.38,0.00,28.76,0.00,5.80
    Yakut_Neolithic,0.00,74.18,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.39,0.31,0.10,0.00,23.91,0.00,1.09
    Baikal_Bronze_Age,2.95,54.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,8.98,0.47,0.86,0.00,32.15,0.00,0.04
    Baikal_Neolithic,0.00,51.71,0.12,0.00,0.00,0.33,0.40,0.00,0.00,47.13,0.00,0.30
    Devils_Gate,0.00,29.83,0.00,1.21,0.00,0.11,0.00,0.44,0.00,68.03,0.00,0.39
    Modern Non-Europeans:
    Code:
    Toubou,0.00,0.00,17.91,0.00,0.65,0.00,0.07,35.58,6.09,0.00,0.00,39.71
    West_Bantu,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.04,0.00,9.41,0.00,0.06,0.00,90.48
    Pygmy,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,19.17,0.00,0.00,0.15,80.68
    Saharawi,0.00,0.00,38.71,0.00,19.71,0.00,0.00,10.63,16.81,0.00,6.01,8.12
    Khomani_San,0.05,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,36.04,0.00,0.17,0.15,63.60
    Bedouin,4.84,0.17,6.68,0.00,8.41,0.90,0.00,4.72,35.51,1.51,32.67,4.58
    Berber,0.00,0.00,100.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
    Palestine,5.27,0.19,4.98,0.37,9.49,0.32,0.00,8.30,32.42,0.00,35.82,2.84
    Druze_Israel,8.90,0.36,1.12,0.00,11.16,2.36,0.21,0.00,21.95,0.00,53.36,0.58
    Iraqi_Jew,17.70,0.00,4.11,0.00,11.58,1.82,1.89,0.38,21.17,0.00,41.35,0.00
    Kalash_Pakistan,41.18,3.02,0.00,0.00,0.08,17.51,22.27,0.00,1.08,0.00,14.86,0.00
    Burushuo,13.35,7.33,0.47,15.53,13.38,15.66,3.23,0.00,6.45,20.69,0.00,3.90
    Punjabi_Indian,40.47,0.49,0.00,0.00,0.69,15.28,33.23,0.00,1.62,0.00,8.21,0.00
    South_Indian,35.30,0.00,0.45,1.05,0.00,2.08,54.89,0.00,1.59,2.41,1.95,0.29
    Mamanwa_Negrito,0.00,3.11,0.25,55.89,2.32,3.12,20.36,0.00,0.00,14.14,0.00,0.82
    Aboriginal_Austraian,3.28,5.91,0.00,22.76,0.78,3.72,43.16,4.99,0.70,9.51,0.00,5.19
    Andaman,2.48,4.00,1.33,22.96,1.11,1.05,49.80,3.29,0.77,10.81,0.00,2.39
    Karitiana,1.08,35.00,0.00,6.15,0.00,22.14,4.81,0.00,0.00,30.82,0.00,0.00
    Maya,8.47,33.09,0.00,4.32,0.00,18.22,4.93,00.00,0.00,30.75,0.00,0.22
    Modern_Native_American,6.61,35.33,0.00,4.31,0.00,21.77,0.00,0.00,0.00,31.82,0.00,0.16
    Pueblo_Native,0.00,61.80,0.00,0.00,7.74,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.04,29.42,0.00,0.00
    Surui,8.86,35.08,0.00,4.73,0.00,13.73,6.22,0.00,0.00,31.38,0.00,0.00
    Yakut,3.29,47.71,0.00,0.54,5.46,16.06,0.98,0.00,0.01,21.38,4.57,0.00
    Japanese,0.00,3.51,0.00,10.75,0.00,0.00,0.80,0.00,0.00,84.95,0.00,0.00
    Khanty,9.83,44.07,0.00,0.00,2.01,34.16,0.73,0.00,0.05,9.11,0.00,0.05
    Chinese,0.00,3.90,0.00,25.85,0.00,0.00,4.58,0.00,0.00,65.67,0.00,0.00
    Mongolian,3.45,44.30,0.00,0.57,2.04,2.97,0.00,0.00,0.00,45.41,1.25,0.00
    This in my 2way

    Distance to: Dodecad_K12b_ΙωάννηςΓαβριήλ
    4.67084999 52.60% Etruscans_(n=48) + 47.40% West_Bantu
    4.77505350 53.00% Villanovans_(n=2) + 47.00% West_Bantu
    4.77670653 52.80% Etruscans_(n=48) + 47.20% Bantu_S.W._Herero
    4.80393112 54.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 45.60% West_Bantu
    4.80702673 54.60% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 45.40% Bantu_S.W._Herero
    4.85602208 53.20% Villanovans_(n=2) + 46.80% Bantu_S.W._Herero
    5.07387330 51.80% Latins_(n=4) + 48.20% West_Bantu
    5.21112389 52.20% Latins_(n=4) + 47.80% Bantu_S.W._Herero
    5.33947437 53.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 46.40% West_Bantu
    5.37197109 53.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 46.20% Bantu_S.W._Herero
    5.82657259 53.00% Early_Iron_Age_Croatia_(n=9) + 47.00% West_Bantu
    5.88675749 53.20% Early_Iron_Age_Croatia_(n=9) + 46.80% Bantu_S.W._Herero
    6.32613214 53.40% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 46.60% West_Bantu
    6.38316781 53.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 46.40% Bantu_S.W._Herero
    6.44656608 48.80% Latins_(n=4) + 51.20% Pygmy
    6.46660308 51.40% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 48.60% West_Bantu
    6.52078895 49.60% Etruscans_(n=48) + 50.40% Pygmy
    6.59309145 51.60% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 48.40% Bantu_S.W._Herero
    6.70707829 51.60% Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 48.40% West_Bantu
    6.76045961 49.80% Villanovans_(n=2) + 50.20% Pygmy
    6.76722645 59.20% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14) + 40.80% Bantu_S.W._Herero
    6.77928481 57.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 43.00% Mandenka
    6.81918026 59.00% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14) + 41.00% West_Bantu
    6.83400812 52.00% Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9) + 48.00% Bantu_S.W._Herero
    7.03506211 55.40% Villanovans_(n=2) + 44.60% Mandenka

    This is my single distance

    Distance to: Dodecad_K12b_ΙωάννηςΓαβριήλ
    39.17429514 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    45.95729431 Shum_Laka
    46.92335559 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    47.27410708 Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
    47.36655782 Pestera_Muierii
    47.84155202 Ancient_Zambia
    47.85926661 Medieval_Basilicata_(n=10)
    47.90167429 Vaalkrans_Man
    48.23400564 Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
    48.41516601 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
    48.45693965 Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
    48.50418436 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    48.50625011 Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
    48.59661305 Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)
    48.81884677 Medieval_Tuscany_(n=10)
    48.83149598 Malawi_Mesolithic
    48.86669930 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
    49.00096122 Bronze_Age_Illyrians
    49.39231620 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
    49.47178489 Pygmy
    49.49312073 Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
    49.71166966 Imperial-age_Tuscany_(n=4)
    49.72004324 Early_Iron_Age_Croatia_(n=9)
    49.77811668 Villanovans_(n=2)
    49.84314697 Guanches

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    @Doggerland
    It would be excellent to use those Paleothic samples you have as components for a calculator within and of itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doggerland View Post
    Ancestry experts, what is the magical thing about the Grotta Continenza?

    Target: Doggerland
    Distance: 0.4751% / 0.47513896
    36.7 Mesolithic_Italy
    27.8 Picts
    6.3 Maikop
    5.0 Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    4.9 Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
    4.3 Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)
    4.3 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
    3.8 Potapovka
    3.4 MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)
    3.1 Neolithic_Cambridgeshire
    0.4 Funnel_Beaker

    Ancestors of Early Western Steppe population or some kind of weird contamination?

    Even if I do not merge them, they are appearing:

    Target: Doggerland
    Distance: 0.5651% / 0.56507401
    31.4 Picts
    25.7 ItalyMeso1
    13.1 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
    8.3 Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
    6.7 MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)
    4.7 Maikop
    4.3 Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    2.9 Potapovka
    1.8 Neolithic_Cambridgeshire
    0.8 Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2)
    0.3 Funnel_Beaker

    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/SAMEA5770191

    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/SAMEA5770190
    Dodecad doesn't work so well with samples that fall outside of the range of modern populations. It will wrongfully assign WHG over steppe for example in modern populations, when modeling in vahaduo.

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    None of us should be closer to Neanderthal than to Yakut_Neolithic … I think.

    Distance to: Salento
    89.74320587 Neanderthal_Altai
    91.28647216 Yakut_Neolithic
    93.27762915 Denisova_Altai

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doggerland View Post
    Mine when combined:

    Distance to: Doggerland
    2.28385639 Lombards_(n=28)
    2.28877697 Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)
    2.78870938 Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
    4.20940613 Iron_Age_Netherlands_(n=5)
    5.43758218 Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
    5.50345346 Vikings_from_England_(n=28)
    5.79815488 Roman_Britain_(n=8)
    6.13406880 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    6.15432368 Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
    6.28520485 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)
    6.44443170 Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24)
    7.03029871 Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
    7.14079827 La_Tène_Celts_(n=55)
    7.30080817 Iron_Age_Britain_(n=4)
    7.59755882 Late_Neolithic_Denmark
    7.64193693 Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28)
    7.78760554 Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
    7.90611156 MBA_Tumulus_culture_(n=4)
    8.13084251 Early_Iron_Age_Britain_(n=37)
    8.20908643 Picts
    8.34149267 Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    8.39165657 Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)
    8.78788939 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    9.61015088 Iron_Age_Northeastern_Gaul_(n=24)
    9.61371416 EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)

    Only the additional ones I posted:

    Distance to: Doggerland
    7.59755882 Late_Neolithic_Denmark
    8.20908643 Picts
    13.35216462 Single_Grave
    16.29555461 Mesolithic_Spain
    16.43299121 El-Miron
    19.24814017 Mesolithic_Italy
    19.31354188 La-Brana
    19.47944814 Lengynel
    20.09774117 Gravettian_Krems
    22.75326790 Mesolithic_France
    23.65141433 Grotte_du_Bichon
    25.00876446 Pitted_Ware
    26.05683787 Potapovka
    26.14114955 Mesolithic_Ireland
    27.78961317 Pestera_Muierii
    27.89103261 Loschbour
    29.79789590 Ertebölle
    30.57991498 Kostenki
    30.93097477 Sunghir
    31.00622679 Mesolithic_Germany
    32.57443169 Goyet
    36.02512457 Funnel_Beaker
    41.14242944 Cheddar_Man
    41.97155942 Latvia_HG
    43.33110199 Yana_Paleolithic

    Late Neolithic Denmark already has Indo-European introgression.

    HGs only:

    Distance to: Doggerland
    16.29555461 Mesolithic_Spain
    16.43299121 El-Miron
    19.24814017 Mesolithic_Italy
    19.31354188 La-Brana
    20.09774117 Gravettian_Krems
    22.75326790 Mesolithic_France
    23.14602342 Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)
    23.65141433 Grotte_du_Bichon
    25.00876446 Pitted_Ware
    26.14114955 Mesolithic_Ireland
    27.78961317 Pestera_Muierii
    27.89103261 Loschbour
    29.79789590 Ertebölle
    30.57991498 Kostenki
    30.93097477 Sunghir
    30.98825745 Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43)
    31.00622679 Mesolithic_Germany
    32.57443169 Goyet
    40.01396506 Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31)
    41.14242944 Cheddar_Man
    41.97155942 Latvia_HG
    43.33110199 Yana_Paleolithic
    44.21436757 Afontova_Gora
    45.32692357 Mal_Ta_Buret
    45.87200889 Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7)
    I wonder if this has something to do with the I1 sample from Balma Guilanya and the idea that people migrated from the South into the North again before the Bronze Age. I do not seem to have great affinity to the earlier Scandinavian HGs.

    I added it to the list. Wow, didn't expect this:

    Distance to: Doggerland
    15.55293220 Balma_Guilanya_Azilian
    16.29555461 Mesolithic_Spain
    16.43299121 El-Miron
    19.24814017 Mesolithic_Italy
    19.31354188 La-Brana
    20.09774117 Gravettian_Krems
    22.75326790 Mesolithic_France
    23.14602342 Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)
    23.65141433 Grotte_du_Bichon
    25.00876446 Pitted_Ware
    26.14114955 Mesolithic_Ireland
    27.78961317 Pestera_Muierii
    27.89103261 Loschbour
    29.79789590 Ertebölle
    30.57991498 Kostenki
    30.93097477 Sunghir
    30.98825745 Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43)
    31.00622679 Mesolithic_Germany
    32.57443169 Goyet
    40.01396506 Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31)
    41.14242944 Cheddar_Man
    41.97155942 Latvia_HG
    43.33110199 Yana_Paleolithic
    44.21436757 Afontova_Gora
    45.32692357 Mal_Ta_Buret

    Code:
     Balma_Guilanya_Azilian,0.00,0.39,0.00,0.03,35.82,54.35,4.68,0.00,0.00,4.22,0.00,0.51

    I guess they were 'WHG like' and part of the 'EEF package'?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    None of us should be closer to Neanderthal than to Yakut_Neolithic … I think.
    Distance to: Salento
    89.74320587 Neanderthal_Altai
    91.28647216 Yakut_Neolithic
    93.27762915 Denisova_Altai
    Neanderthal Ancestry will be rated as ancient African by all calculators I know to date. It probably only means you are more related to Africans, than to East Asians:

    Eurogenes K15
    Using1 populations approximation
    1100% Biaka_Pygmy @ 4,303
    2100% Bantu_S.E. @ 4,511

    HarrapaWorld
    Using1 populations approximation
    1100% kung @ 41,260
    2100% san1 @ 42,880

    Distance to: Yakut
    31.87585293 Yakut_Neolithic
    94.04570697 Neanderthal_Altai
    96.97943339 Denisova_Altai


    Distance to: Japanese
    94.00682582 Yakut_Neolithic
    114.89411082 Neanderthal_Altai
    116.88994396 Denisova_Altai

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    @Doggerland
    It would be excellent to use those Paleothic samples you have as components for a calculator within and of itself.
    I can upload them on Dropbox, if you are interested. Just say which ones and if you need .csv or .txt, merged or single.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Dodecad doesn't work so well with samples that fall outside of the range of modern populations. It will wrongfully assign WHG over steppe for example in modern populations, when modeling in vahaduo.
    Probably right, but as far as I know Eurogenes is made by someone who has strong trust in the Steppe Theory. Does the calculator have the same problem?

    Eurogens K15 Ancient compared to Bronze Age:

    Balma Gulyana Azilian

    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% BeakerBritain_I2443 @ 14,467
    2 100% Srubnaya_I0232 @ 17,211
    3 100% Srubnaya_I0423 @ 18,532
    4 100% MakoCultureHungary_BR1 @ 19,340
    5 100% Andronovo_RISE500 @ 19,414
    6 100% Poltavka_I0432 @ 19,544
    7 100% Sintashta_RISE395 @ 19,906
    8 100% Potapovka_I0419 @ 20,071
    9 100% LateBronzeAgeScotland @ 20,521
    10 100% BronzeAgeOrkneyIslander_I2981 @ 20,569

    Yamnaya

    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% Poltavka_I0440 @ 6,010
    2 100% Afanasievo_RISE511 @ 7,066
    3 100% Afanasievo_RISE509 @ 9,294
    4 100% BronzAgeBulgarian @ 17,283
    5 100% Andronovo_RISE505 @ 21,936
    6 100% BronzAgeSilesian_I6531 @ 23,522
    7 100% Srubnaya_I0430 @ 23,900
    8 100% Andronovo_DA231 @ 24,402
    9 100% SharakhalsunSteppeMaykop_SA6004 @ 26,456
    10 100% Srubnaya_I0232 @ 26,943

    Yamnaya2

    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% Poltavka_I0440 @ 15,625
    2 100% Afanasievo_RISE509 @ 15,771
    3 100% Afanasievo_RISE511 @ 18,386
    4 100% BronzAgeBulgarian @ 20,897
    5 100% Srubnaya_I0430 @ 24,984
    6 100% BronzAgeSilesian_I6531 @ 26,535
    7 100% Andronovo_DA231 @ 26,739
    8 100% Andronovo_RISE505 @ 27,271
    9 100% Andronovo_RISE503 @ 30,067
    10 100% PolishBellBeaker_I4253 @ 30,514

    Yamnaya3

    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% BronzAgeBulgarian @ 11,379
    2 100% Poltavka_I0440 @ 13,085
    3 100% Andronovo_RISE505 @ 13,106
    4 100% Afanasievo_RISE509 @ 13,830
    5 100% Afanasievo_RISE511 @ 14,191
    6 100% Andronovo_DA231 @ 14,263
    7 100% BronzAgeSilesian_I6531 @ 16,724
    8 100% Andronovo_RISE500 @ 18,553
    9 100% Srubnaya_I0232 @ 20,489
    10 100% Srubnaya_I0430 @ 20,957

    Eurogens K15 Ancient Battle Axe compared to HGs + Yamnaya:

    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% Ajvide58(Sweden) @ 14,876
    2 100% BalmaGuilanyaAzilian @ 20,955
    3 100% CheddarMan @ 22,830
    4 100% MesolithicNeolithicSerbia_I4871 @ 23,823
    5 100% Motala_12(Sweden) @ 25,027
    6 100% Yamnaya_I0443 @ 25,615
    7 100% Sunghir6 @ 26,539
    8 100% Yamnaya_RISE548 @ 27,936
    9 100% YamnayaKaragash_EBA @ 28,036
    10 100% GoyetQ116_1 @ 28,383

    Eurogens K15 Ancient Unetice compared to HGs + Yamnaya:

    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% Ajvide58(Sweden) @ 16,181
    2 100% CheddarMan @ 23,528
    3 100% BalmaGuilanyaAzilian @ 23,630
    4 100% MesolithicNeolithicSerbia_I4871 @ 25,101
    5 100% Motala_12(Sweden) @ 26,346
    6 100% Yamnaya_I0443 @ 27,059
    7 100% YamnayaKaragash_EBA @ 28,640
    8 100% Yamnaya_RISE548 @ 29,062
    9 100% GoyetQ116_1 @ 29,801
    10 100% Sunghir6 @ 30,154

    Eurogens K15 Ancient Central European Bell Beaker compared to HGs + Yamnaya:

    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% Ajvide58(Sweden) @ 12,516
    2 100% CheddarMan @ 18,530
    3 100% BalmaGuilanyaAzilian @ 18,822
    4 100% MesolithicNeolithicSerbia_I4871 @ 21,644
    5 100% Motala_12(Sweden) @ 24,903
    6 100% Sunghir6 @ 27,220
    7 100% Ostuni1 @ 27,228
    8 100% GoyetQ116_1 @ 29,104
    9 100% Yamnaya_I0443 @ 30,896
    10 100% Kostenki14 @ 32,212

    Myself:

    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% BalmaGuilanyaAzilian @ 16,505
    2 100% Ajvide58(Sweden) @ 18,794
    3 100% Ostuni1 @ 20,195
    4 100% CheddarMan @ 20,530
    5 100% Sunghir6 @ 24,995
    6 100% GoyetQ116_1 @ 25,183
    7 100% MesolithicNeolithicSerbia_I4871 @ 25,379
    8 100% Kostenki14 @ 29,058
    9 100% Motala_12(Sweden) @ 30,090
    10 100% Yamnaya_I0443 @ 32,574

    Link to separate thread: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...143#post646143

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    @Doggerland, I guess Haak was already quite clear about the Balma sample:
    Our results highlight the unique genetic structure observed in Iberian HG individuals, which results from admixture of individ-uals related to the GoyetQ2 and Villabruna clusters. This suggests a survival of two lineages of Late Pleistocene ancestry in Holocene western Europe, in particular the Iberian Peninsula, whereas HG ancestry in most other regions was largely replaced by Villabruna-like ancestry. With an age estimate of 18,700 years cal BP for the El Miro ́ n individual, the oldest representative of this mixed ancestry, the timing of this admixture suggests an early connection (terminus ante quem) between putative ancestries from different LGM refugia. It is possible that Goyet Q-2 ancestry could have existed in Iberia in unadmixed form, where it was complemented by Villabruna ancestry as early as $18,700 years ago. Alternatively, both Magdalenian-associated Goyet Q-2 and Villabruna ancestries originated in regions outside Iberia and arrived in Iberia independently, where both lineages admixed, or had already existed in admixed form outside Iberia. Interestingly, the dual Upper Paleolithic ancestry was also found in EN individuals from the Iberian Peninsula, supporting the hypothesis of additional local admixture with resident HGs in Iberia during the time of the Mesolithic-Neolithic transition.
    Bell Beakers were about 50% Steppe but had also a considerable neolithic amount, due to mixing of SGC and for example Funnelbeaker/Michelsberg?

    The BB spread from Spain is still a theory but is getting less and less likely in favor of a Rhenish/ Dutch cradle....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doggerland View Post
    Neanderthal Ancestry will be rated as ancient African by all calculators I know to date. It probably only means you are more related to Africans, than to East Asians:

    Eurogenes K15
    Using1 populations approximation
    1100% Biaka_Pygmy @ 4,303
    2100% Bantu_S.E. @ 4,511

    HarrapaWorld
    Using1 populations approximation
    1100% kung @ 41,260
    2100% san1 @ 42,880

    Distance to: Yakut
    31.87585293 Yakut_Neolithic
    94.04570697 Neanderthal_Altai
    96.97943339 Denisova_Altai


    Distance to: Japanese
    94.00682582 Yakut_Neolithic
    114.89411082 Neanderthal_Altai
    116.88994396 Denisova_Altai
    … I used the Post #455 coordinates, … nobody should be closer to Neanderthal than to a Neolithic population,

    Swedish, Spanish, Ethiopians, … get similar results as mine.

    Distance to: Swedish

    99.27834910 Neanderthal_Altai
    100.55250171 Shum_Laka
    101.55228604 Yakut_Neolithic
    103.29861809 Denisova_Altai

    Distance to: Spanish

    95.39522001 Neanderthal_Altai
    95.53819446 Shum_Laka
    97.43347679 Yakut_Neolithic
    98.78131655 Denisova_Altai

    Distance to: Ethiopians
    87.62422382 Neanderthal_Altai
    88.12774535 Caspian_Sea_Mesolithic
    89.54641478 Baikal_Bronze_Age
    90.41557664 Denisova_Altai
    90.77346253 SamiKola
    94.24967268 Trans_Baikal_Mesolithic
    94.36475136 Baikal_Neolithic
    97.37790150 Devils_Gate
    100.37471195 Yakut_Neolithic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    … I used the Post #455 coordinates, … nobody should be closer to Neanderthal than to a Neolithic population,
    Swedish, Spanish, Ethiopians, … get similar results as mine.
    Distance to: Swedish
    99.27834910 Neanderthal_Altai
    100.55250171 Shum_Laka
    101.55228604 Yakut_Neolithic
    103.29861809 Denisova_Altai
    Distance to: Spanish
    95.39522001 Neanderthal_Altai
    95.53819446 Shum_Laka
    97.43347679 Yakut_Neolithic
    98.78131655 Denisova_Altai
    Distance to: Ethiopians
    87.62422382 Neanderthal_Altai
    88.12774535 Caspian_Sea_Mesolithic
    89.54641478 Baikal_Bronze_Age
    90.41557664 Denisova_Altai
    90.77346253 SamiKola
    94.24967268 Trans_Baikal_Mesolithic
    94.36475136 Baikal_Neolithic
    97.37790150 Devils_Gate
    100.37471195 Yakut_Neolithic
    Neanderthals are shown here as a subsaharan african population, closer to northeastern bantu, I don't think we should be using non Homo Sapiens Sapiens DNA in this Calculator.

    Neanderthal_Altai,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.63,0.23,3.62,0. 00,19.20,0.00,0.00,0.00,74.32
    Denisova_Altai,0.00,0.28,0.00,0.15,0.10,1.28,0.00, 19.54,0.00,0.76,0.00,77.90

    Distance to: Denisova_Altai
    3.45550286 Bantu_N.E.
    5.46118119 Luhya


    Distance to: Neanderthal_Altai
    6.41253460 Bantu_N.E.
    6.92738046 Luhya

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    Like I said I don’t know any calculator who does not associate Neanderthals and Denisovans with ancient Africans.
    The ancestry calculators cannot differentiate between Apes and Humans and everything that is in between.

    So lets test which ape or monkey we are more related to:

    Code:
    Baboon,1.08,0.25,0.00,2.48,2.45,5.64,0.13,21.22,0.00,0.78,0.41,65.56
    Gibbon,1.06,0.78,0.00,1.06,0.74,4.46,0.06,23.53,0.00,0.96,0.00,67.34
    Gorilla,0.47,0.50,0.00,0.61,0.00,2.29,0.39,21.82,0.00,0.00,0.00,73.92
    Tarsier,3.94,5.21,0.00,4.71,0.00,12.95,2.23,21.98,0.00,3.32,0.00,45.67
    Orang_Utan,1.47,0.31,0.00,1.26,1.21,2.54,0.00,23.13,0.00,0.99,0.00,69.09
    Rhesus_Monkey,1.70,0.91,0.00,2.08,2.34,4.88,0.10,22.87,0.00,0.85,0.00,64.28
    Chimpanzee,0.41,0.12,0.00,0.05,0.25,1.63,0.15,22.23,0.00,0.79,0.00,74.35
    Spider_Monkey,0.00,0.00,0.00,6.90,0.00,10.60,1.00,17.86,8.25,0.00,0.63,54.76
    Distance to: Doggerland
    71.64587218 Tarsier
    78.23027483 Spider_Monkey
    87.34386298 Rhesus_Monkey
    87.48702247 Baboon
    90.61823106 Gibbon
    92.51737188 Orang_Utan
    96.48609693 Gorilla
    97.12560476 Chimpanzee

    The calculator must be wrong! ;)


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    I don’t wanna be mean, but this again points to my view about those ancestry calculators that I had before: They are very selective and designed to show what the creators want them to show. So how reliable are their results? What can we learn from them? Should we build parts of our Identity based on their results?

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    Doggerland: I think all those calculators works with the assumption of some modified form of OOA, not the Recent-Replacement OOA model where some group of ancient East Africans left 40K years ago and diverged and replaced other human groups, but one that still has a basic OOA maintained assumption of some ancient East African population leaving The Horn, etc and then moving into other regions diverging into new population groups, i.e. West/East Eurasian cluster, before splitting into West Eurasian and East Eurasian, then in the West, HG groups, then divergent HG groups forming Neolithic populations groups, etc.

    So say for example Dodecad 12, those 11 population groups that are modeled captures the divergence among the OOA populations and anything not captured in those 11 groups falls back into the Sub-Saharan African group as more of an Ancestral population. So sub-Saharan African groups are in these models going to be predicted to have more ancestral alleles vs. derived, perhaps? Neanderthals thus in these calculators are being estimated as having more ancestral alleles hence being assigned with sub-Saharan Africans even though there is no fossil evidence ever indicating Neanderthals lived there.

    So for modeling modern Populations, Dodecad12B and others works well, some calculators work better for some modern populations vs. other. Using it to model Neanderthals is outside what the Model was designed to to I think.

    So trying to use Dodecad 12B to model Western European HG vs Neolithic Early European Farmer DNA is not really what the model was attended for since DNA from those populations were likely used to come up with the 12 variables/factors in Dodecad 12b to come with Atlantic_Med vs. Caucus, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Doggerland: I think all those calculators works with the assumption of some modified form of OOA, not the Recent-Replacement OOA model where some group of ancient East Africans left 40K years ago and diverged and replaced other human groups, but one that still has a basic OOA maintained assumption of some ancient East African population leaving The Horn, etc and then moving into other regions diverging into new population groups, i.e. West/East Eurasian cluster, before splitting into West Eurasian and East Eurasian, then in the West, HG groups, then divergent HG groups forming Neolithic populations groups, etc.

    So say for example Dodecad 12, those 11 population groups that are modeled captures the divergence among the OOA populations and anything not captured in those 11 groups falls back into the Sub-Saharan African group as more of an Ancestral population. So sub-Saharan African groups are in these models going to be predicted to have more ancestral alleles vs. derived, perhaps? Neanderthals thus in these calculators are being estimated as having more ancestral alleles hence being assigned with sub-Saharan Africans even though there is no fossil evidence ever indicating Neanderthals lived there.

    So for modeling modern Populations, Dodecad12B and others works well, some calculators work better for some modern populations vs. other. Using it to model Neanderthals is outside what the Model was designed to to I think.

    So trying to use Dodecad 12B to model Western European HG vs Neolithic Early European Farmer DNA is not really what the model was attended for since DNA from those populations were likely used to come up with the 12 variables/factors in Dodecad 12b to come with Atlantic_Med vs. Caucus, etc.
    Makes 100% sense, but how modern the populations need to be for the Dodecad K12b to work? Because form what I researched the Iberomarusians seem to be kind of accurate, I think
    Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5),0.00 ,1.08,65.59,1.69,0.04,0.06,1.11,18.93,5.54,0.05,0. 00,5.90

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    Target: Macin
    Distance: 495.3482% / 4.95348215 | ADC: 2x RC
    50.6 Avars_(n=2)
    49.4 Vikings_from_Poland_(n=9)

    Target: Macin
    Distance: 654.6202% / 6.54620162 | ADC: 2x RC
    53.4 Iron_Age_Norway_(n=6)
    46.6 Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)

    Target: Macin
    Distance: 1061.7938% / 10.61793765 | ADC: 2x RC
    100.0 EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)

    Target: Macin
    Distance: 778.4795% / 7.78479464 | ADC: 2x RC
    54.8 Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)
    45.2 Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)

    I was adopted from Poland.

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    Cool tool. GEDmatch and Admixture Studio 2.50 Dodecad K12b percentages:

    GEDmatch, Epipaleolithic to Chalcolithic
    1.84800045 87.20% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 12.80% Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3)
    2.00020559 32.00% LN_Tisza-Sopot_culture_(n=11) + 68.00% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)
    2.23218457 26.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20) + 73.80% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)

    Admixture Studio, Epipaleolithic to Chalcolithic
    1.35904172 32.00% LN_Tisza-Sopot_culture_(n=11) + 68.00% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)
    1.66032042 30.80% EN_LBK_culture_(n=43) + 69.20% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)
    1.69587678 32.80% EN_Alfold_Linear_Pottery_culture_(n=20) + 67.20% Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17)

    GEDmatch, Bronze Age
    2.74308227 26.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24) + 73.40% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)
    3.03960816 65.00% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4) + 35.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
    3.05371733 46.40% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4) + 53.60% Bronze_Age_Illyrians

    Admixture Studio, Bronze Age
    2.24176815 82.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24) + 17.40% Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3)
    2.28407038 83.20% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24) + 16.80% Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9)
    2.37552879 65.20% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4) + 34.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)

    GEDmatch, Iron Age & Early Antiquity
    2.57995907 35.40% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 64.60% Iron_Age_Sweden_(n=4)
    2.58958890 26.00% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) + 74.00% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10)
    2.78366714 20.40% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) + 79.60% Iron_Age_Netherlands_(n=5)

    Admixture Studio, Iron Age & Early Antiquity
    2.29471975 20.40% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) + 79.60% Iron_Age_Netherlands_(n=5)
    2.38351355 35.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 64.40% Iron_Age_Sweden_(n=4)
    2.46219114 21.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 78.20% Iron_Age_Netherlands_(n=5)

    GEDmatch, Late Antiquity & Middle Ages
    2.63961509 25.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 74.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
    2.68873982 30.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16) + 69.60% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
    2.77097522 24.00% Medieval_Tuscany_(n=10) + 76.00% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)

    Admixture Studio, Late Antiquity & Middle Ages
    2.23493019 24.20% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24) + 75.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
    2.25261653 20.20% Imperial_Tuscany_(n=4) + 79.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
    2.36328599 30.20% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16) + 69.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)

    For context, my genealogy is:

    ~36% Dutch (25% South Holland, ~10% north Dutch),
    25% Danish,
    ~14% German (12.5% Ruhr area).

    The remaining 25% is from my unknown grandfather. My research so far suggests to me that he was half Heptanesian and half Italian.

    GEDmatch Dodecad K12b:

    1 50% British_Isles_Dodecad +25% Lebanese_Behar +25% Swedish_Dodecad 2.002252

    1 British_Isles_Dodecad + Druze_HGDP + Norwegian_Dodecad + Norwegian_Dodecad 1.222059

    Admixture Studio Dodecad K12b:

    1 33% Norwegian_D + 33% Norwegian_D + 33% Sephardic_Jews 3,178

    1 25% Norwegian_D + 25% Norwegian_D + 25% Norwegian_D + 25% Druze 3,947

    Admixture Studio Dodecad K12b, but (imho) unrelated populations removed:

    1 33% Dutch_D + 33% Swedish_D + 33% S_Italian_Sicilian_D 3,632

    1 25% Dutch_D + 25% Dutch_D + 25% Swedish_D + 25% Lebanese 2,447

    Eurogenes K13 seems a bit closer to what my research suggests.

    GEDmatch Eurogenes K13:

    1 50% Danish +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Serbian 2.305556

    1 Cyprian + Danish + North_German + Swedish 1.680030

    Admixture Studio Eurogenes K13:

    1 33% North_German + 33% North_German + 33% Italian_Abruzzo 2,252
    2 33% Swedish + 33% Swedish + 33% South_Italian 2,274
    3 33% Danish + 33% Danish + 33% Central_Greek 2,345

    1 25% North_German + 25% North_German + 25% North_German + 25% Italian_Jew 2,080
    2 25% North_German + 25% North_German + 25% North_German + 25% Algerian_Jew 2,161
    3 25% Swedish + 25% Swedish + 25% West_Scottish + 25% Cypriot 2,180

  23. #473
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    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-L617
    MtDNA haplogroup
    W6a

    Ethnic group
    Polish
    Country: Poland



    Avar Szolad Av2 is not a real Avar.

    These are real Avars (samples from "Ancient genomes reveal origin and rapid trans-Eurasian migration of 7th Century Avar elites"):

    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Late:A1815
    0.04367484 Altaian


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Late:A1814
    0.03548177 Altaian


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Late:A1813
    0.03843090 Altaian


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Late:A1810
    0.02987874 Buryat


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Late:A1809
    0.03472882 Altaian


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:I20801
    0.03143735 Altaian


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:I20800
    0.06093074 Nogai


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:I18743
    0.05161170 Khamnegan


    Distance to: HUN_Hun:A181029
    0.05428544 Tatar_Kazan


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Middle_Late:I18744
    0.04614753 Karakalpak


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Middle_Late:I18224
    0.03668949 Buryat


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Middle_Late:I18223
    0.03163757 Khamnegan


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Middle_Late:A1811
    0.05487352 Khamnegan


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Middle:I18742
    0.04764020 Khamnegan


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Middle:A1812
    0.04865958 Khamnegan


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Late:I16741
    0.06735683 Tatar_Lipka


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Late:I20799
    0.06690287 Tatar_Lipka


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Late:I20798
    0.05574973 Uzbek


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Late:I18225
    0.04190029 Altaian


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Late:I18222
    0.04640433 Kazakh


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:I18174
    0.06358540 Tatar_Lipka


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:I16812
    0.06642205 Tatar_Lipka


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:I16744
    0.05585856 Uzbek


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:A1824
    0.03835026 Turkmen


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:A1823
    0.04732149 Khamnegan


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:A1822
    0.04465457 Khamnegan


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:A1821
    0.05783097 Khamnegan


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:A1819
    0.06894679 Khamnegan


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:A1818
    0.04108681 Khamnegan


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:A1817
    0.07692129 Nogai


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:A1816
    0.06544459 Khamnegan


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:A1807
    0.02464850 Nogai


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:A1806
    0.03736689 Buryat


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:A1805
    0.04801755 Kirghiz


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:A1804
    0.04077053 Altaian


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:A1802
    0.05354802 Khamnegan


    Distance to: HUN_Avar_Early:A1801
    0.03254253 Khamnegan
    There are words which carry the presage of defeat. Defence is such a word. What is the result of an even victorious defence? The next attempt of imposing it to that weaker, defender. The attacker, despite temporary setback, feels the master of situation.

  24. #474
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    Ethnic group
    Polish
    Country: Poland



    ^^^ So real ethnic Avars looked like this:


  25. #475
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    Country: Netherlands



    It turns out my unknown grandfather was fully Heptanesian, either from Lefkada or Ithaca.

    I think that Heptanesians are more, what MyHeritage calls, “Italian” and “North and West European,” and less “Greek and South Italian” than other Greek islanders.

    Anyway, my mother’s results, using Admixture Studio v2.50 Dodecad K12b values. Her genealogy is 50% Dutch (two centuries South Holland, before that North Brabant), 50% Heptanesian.

    Epipaleolithic to Chalcolithic
    1.65652936 41.60% Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9) 58.40% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5)
    1.67234635 26.00% Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4) 74.00% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    1.74132714 54.40% EN_LBK_culture_(n=43) 45.60% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5)
    1.74322975 56.20% LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8) 43.80% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5)
    1.75234543 59.40% Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8) 40.60% CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5)

    Bronze Age
    2.25619850 58.80% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) 41.20% EMBA_Poltavka_culture_(n=8)
    2.58358929 27.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24) 72.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)
    2.77195351 28.60% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24) 71.40% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
    3.11263045 26.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) 73.60% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
    3.13597146 26.80% Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9) 73.20% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)

    Iron Age & Early Antiquity
    2.07906370 41.20% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) 58.80% Iron_Age_Britain_(n=4)
    2.82221880 32.20% Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6) 67.80% Iron_Age_Britain_(n=4)
    2.85823766 31.20% Iron_Age_Israel_(n=6) 68.80% Early_Iron_Age_Britain_(n=37)
    3.00045125 44.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) 56.00% Iron_Age_Britain_(n=4)
    3.05107902 58.80% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) 41.20% Iron_Age_Sweden_(n=4)

    Late Antiquity & Middle Ages
    2.71132791 57.40% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7) 42.60% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
    2.89925153 58.00% Medieval_Basilicata_(n=10) 42.00% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
    3.12579899 52.60% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7) 47.40% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
    3.17355740 53.20% Medieval_Basilicata_(n=10) 46.80% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
    3.37935814 55.80% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24) 44.20% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)

    Admixture Studio v2.50 Dodecad K12b

    Mixed
    1,564 67,58% Kent_1KG 32,42% Druze
    1,655 66,02% Cornwall_1KG 33,98% Druze
    1,676 66,02% British_D 33,98% Druze
    1,678 64,45% Irish_D 35,55% Druze
    1,692 66,80% English_D 33,20% Druze

    2 populations
    3,459 50% Argyll_1KG 50% Ashkenazy_Jews
    3,683 50% Argyll_1KG 50% Ashkenazi_D
    3,737 50% S_Italian_Sicilian_D 50% Argyll_1KG
    4,004 50% Orcadian 50% Ashkenazy_Jews
    4,033 50% Orkney_1KG 50% Ashkenazy_Jews

    Admixture Studio v2.50 Eurogenes K13

    Mixed
    3,469 66,02% Southwest_English 33,98% Lebanese_Muslim
    3,480 63,67% Irish 36,33% Cypriot
    3,511 66,02% Southwest_English 33,98% Syrian
    3,780 54,30% Italian_Abruzzo 45,70% Irish
    3,787 76,95% South_Dutch 23,05% Kurdish_Jew

    2 populations
    3,942 50% Irish 50% Central_Greek
    4,013 50% Irish 50% East_Sicilian
    4,032 50% West_Scottish 50% Central_Greek
    4,217 50% West_Scottish 50% East_Sicilian
    4,279 50% Italian_Abruzzo 50% Irish

    The oracle for Dodecad suggests Druze and Jewish, and Eurogenes also Irish and Scottish, but on MyHeritage only my mother’s very distant matches have more than 5% Jewish or “Irish, Scottish, and Welsh.”

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