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  1. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    @Angela

    here they are

    Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    9.05316519 Villanovans_(n=2)
    11.05727815 Etruscans_(n=3)
    12.65941547 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    14.29163392 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    14.45562174 Scythians_(n=19)
    16.57576846 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    16.98754544 Latins_(n=4)
    19.17563558 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    20.27443217 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    20.44652782 Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    21.15670816 Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    21.25037647 Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    21.28523432 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    21.77716465 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    23.19574746 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    23.99194865 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
    24.81086859 Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)
    25.13596427 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    25.82459293 Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)
    27.62877486 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    27.69661351 Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)
    28.44173518 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    28.49761043 Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)
    29.86476017 Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)
    30.03688233 Lombards_(n=28)


    And the other combos

    Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    Distance: 2.4947% / 2.49467477 | R2P
    52.6 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    47.4 Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


    Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    Distance: 3.3785% / 3.37847230 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    50.7 Villanovans_(n=2)
    25.6 Scythians_(n=19)
    23.7 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


    Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    Distance: 1.4608% / 1.46080883 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    54.7 Villanovans_(n=2)
    32.2 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    9.0 Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12)
    4.1 Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15)



    Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    Distance: 0.6031% / 0.60312611
    29.9 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    24.0 Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    12.4 Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)
    11.1 Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43)
    10.1 Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    8.3 Lombards_(n=28)
    3.7 Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31)
    0.5 Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    All out of juice for now, but thank you Stuvane. :)


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    Thanks once again Maciamo.

    Single way
    Distance to: Duarte
    6.17150711 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    6.71266713 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    10.86048341 Etruscans_(n=3)
    11.27186764 Latins_(n=4)
    12.12435978 Villanovans_(n=2)
    14.05696980 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    15.13849068 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    15.30209790 Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    15.31625933 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    15.62434319 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
    15.87606059 Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)
    16.49046998 Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    16.58959915 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    18.93396947 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    20.79682909 Scythians_(n=19)
    21.80919989 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    22.92128923 Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)
    22.94319289 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    23.82327643 Megalithic_Europe_(=24)
    23.87818251 Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=64)
    24.06814908 Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=19)
    24.60763906 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    25.98923239 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    26.16566835 Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19)
    26.29432258 MBA_Britain_(n=22)

    2way admixes
    Distance to: Duarte
    4.66417136 47.60% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 52.40% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    5.18746490 22.80% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 77.20% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.19626512 42.80% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 57.20% Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    5.35883970 21.20% Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44) + 78.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.51279033 82.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 17.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    5.59923265 13.60% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=19) + 86.40% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.63868310 8.20% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.66006917 11.00% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 89.00% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.71835463 46.80% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 53.20% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    5.74861394 6.00% Neolithic_Spain_(n=15) + 94.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.78342255 6.60% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13) + 93.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.78479561 6.80% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.80326564 46.40% Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44) + 53.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    5.81041396 8.20% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=64) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.81364857 11.20% Neolithic_Britain_(n=34) + 88.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.81673395 8.20% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=19) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.81831970 13.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.82309411 8.20% Megalithic_Europe_(=24) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.82932386 7.00% Neolithic_Britain_(n=34) + 93.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.84359788 7.20% Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19) + 92.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.94419444 5.20% Neolithic_Italy_(n=17) + 94.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.94935414 45.20% LBA_Hungary_(n=6) + 54.80% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    5.98550837 11.60% Megalithic_Europe_(=24) + 88.40% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.98917015 2.00% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 98.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.99444637 9.00% Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44) + 91.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)

    7way, 6way, 5way, 4way, 3way, 2way
    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.9675% / 2.96746957
    40.2 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    24.8 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    18.4 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    7.7 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    5.0 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    2.0 Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)
    1.9 Latins_(n=4)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.9674% / 2.96743995 | R7P
    40.5 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    24.2 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    16.9 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    8.0 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    6.3 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    2.1 Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)
    2.0 Latins_(n=4)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.9694% / 2.96942450 | R6P
    40.7 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    23.8 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    15.7 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    10.4 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    6.9 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    2.5 Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.9942% / 2.99421830 | R5P
    38.9 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    28.6 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    23.6 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    6.7 Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    2.2 Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 3.0902% / 3.09015639 | R4P
    44.2 Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)
    37.5 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    15.3 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    3.0 Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 3.2519% / 3.25189654 | R3P
    39.2 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    33.5 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    27.3 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P
    52.4 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    47.6 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    I have updated the coordinates. I separated Early Neolithic France from Middle Neolithic France, revised BB Gaul and BA Gaul, and added Medieval Catalonia and Medieval Andalusia.

    My closest populations in 2Way are:

    1.47976060 44.20% Latins_(n=4) + 55.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)

    Similar in Single:

    Target: Maciamo
    Distance: 1.0116% / 1.01164818
    58.7 Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    33.2 Latins_(n=4)
    4.5 Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)
    3.3 Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)
    0.3 Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)

    I suppose that Anglo-Saxon really is Frankish (or broadly West Germanic), as there there are no Frankish samples in the list (unable to convert the genomes of the Merovingian Nobles at the moment).


    I see that most Italians are getting a combination of Italo-Celtic (Bell Beaker, Gauls, Latins) and Greeks (Italian_Greeks, Minoans, Mycenaeans), with a higher ratio for the former in the north and the latter in the south. That makes complete sense.
    mine with your new updates

    Distance to: Torziok12b
    7.93611996 Villanovans_(n=2)
    9.58380926 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    9.76980041 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    11.45072923 Etruscans_(n=3)
    12.09149288 Scythians_(n=19)
    13.38610100 Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    13.72095113 Latins_(n=4)
    14.51663529 Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    16.26212471 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    17.09306877 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
    17.43714713 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    17.79364774 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    18.27350267 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    19.61592210 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    21.25626025 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    23.44443004 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    23.57409807 Lombards_(n=28)
    23.80852998 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    24.25986810 Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)
    24.30828665 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    24.97473724 MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    25.76996702 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    26.93811983 Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    26.95927484 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    27.77203990 Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)


    Target: Torziok12b
    Distance: 0.6150% / 0.61501503
    33.3 Lombards_(n=28)
    27.0 Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    9.9 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    9.1 Latins_(n=4)
    6.2 Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    4.6 Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    4.2 Yamna_culture_(n=13)
    3.1 Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)
    2.6 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)

    Distance to: Torziok12b
    1.64679071 54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    1.73485819 63.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 37.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    1.77723273 64.00% Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 36.00% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    1.84345179 47.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 53.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    1.85816164 49.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 50.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    1.92274543 50.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 50.00% EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    1.99577565 53.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 46.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    2.07154006 39.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 60.60% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.14439183 13.00% Yamna_culture_(n=13) + 87.00% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.16365463 46.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 53.40% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.19754361 56.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 44.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    2.23190121 42.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 57.40% EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    2.35347041 60.20% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 39.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.36057621 56.60% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 43.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    2.44643528 48.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 52.00% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    2.51334656 46.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 53.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    2.56617541 46.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 53.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)
    2.57502390 52.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 47.40% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    2.59523613 55.60% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 44.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    2.61226947 39.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 60.40% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    2.64471292 46.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 53.20% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    2.67026594 67.20% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 32.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    2.76505056 66.20% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 33.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.92738936 40.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 59.20% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    2.94698829 37.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 62.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    Target: PonzanoK12b
    Distance: 1.9843% / 1.98429662 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    57.3 Villanovans_(n=2)
    23.3 Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    9.7 Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15)
    6.9 Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12)
    2.8


    Distance to: PonzanoK12b
    8.28037439 Villanovans_(n=2)
    9.03701278 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    9.62883170 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    11.64315249 Etruscans_(n=3)
    12.69827547 Scythians_(n=19)
    12.84547002 Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    13.19541208 Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    13.67783974 Latins_(n=4)
    15.70286280 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    15.94080613 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    16.08406665 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
    17.27221758 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    18.09489707 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    19.40047938 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    20.23966897 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    22.51399343 Lombards_(n=28)
    22.69289096 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    22.80008991 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    23.60109320 Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)
    24.18387273 MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    24.86273517 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    26.19728039 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    27.03234729 Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)
    27.13038149 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    28.07178833 Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    Scythians_(n=19)

    Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
    Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
    Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ..... R1a-Z282

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    2 members found this post helpful.
    My top results remain consistent, post-update:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    2way:

    Mesolithic Baltic Scandinavia - Iron Age Italian_Greeks





    Although I don't get the Minoans with the 2way, ... my distance to the Minoans is pretty much the same as Jovialis’ :)

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    I have just added:

    - Khvalynsk culture
    - Poltavka culture
    - Bronze Age Estonia
    - Iron Age Estonia
    - Medieval Estonia

    I separated Early Neolithic Iberia from Middle/Late Neolithic Iberia.

    I added more samples to Chalcolithic Iberia.
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    My results with update are consistent with earlier results: 3 and 4 way population restricted model and unrestricted model are the same as reported in post 19.

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    1.62473465 76.60% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 23.40% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    1.76042284 79.00% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 21.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    1.88133259 14.80% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 85.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    1.96875111 26.80% Etruscans_(n=3) + 73.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.12602696 14.80% Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44) + 85.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.55260459 14.80% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 85.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.74505064 13.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.77909149 15.60% Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 84.40% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.83854812 24.60% Villanovans_(n=2) + 75.40% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.87891152 19.20% Latins_(n=4) + 80.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.91453906 14.20% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 85.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.95826576 12.80% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=19) + 87.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.02577571 14.60% LBA_Hungary_(n=6) + 85.40% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.12311873 19.20% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 80.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.18644211 75.40% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 24.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    3.18786574 12.00% Neolithic_Britain_(n=34) + 88.00% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.23742948 15.60% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 84.40% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.28527754 13.40% Megalithic_Europe_(=24) + 86.60% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.47489435 89.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 10.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    3.48389700 11.40% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 88.60% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.49166773 13.40% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=64) + 86.60% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.53552150 11.80% MBA_Britain_(n=22) + 88.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.55699617 75.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 24.20% Yamna_culture_(n=13)
    3.70940543 9.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 90.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.71805264 11.00% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 89.00% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    6.82852107 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    12.60896506 Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    17.99539663 Etruscans_(n=3)
    18.82482404 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    19.24242448 Villanovans_(n=2)
    19.78511814 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    20.23252332 Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    20.42150092 Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)
    20.59513292 Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)
    20.89875116 Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)
    21.69899306 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    21.78769148 Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)
    23.68327047 Scythians_(n=19)
    24.30765929 Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15)
    24.80014314 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    25.88580499 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    26.16070718 Early_Neolithic_LBK_culture_(n=17)
    26.25811113 Latins_(n=4)
    30.76974488 Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)
    31.52352772 Neolithic_Italy_(n=17)
    32.86607674 Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    33.76307747 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    33.99244622 Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    35.84552413 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    36.34875376 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)

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    Dear all/Maciamo,


    I apologise, I probably missed a few passages and some perplexity arose, in particular on the samples and averages of Villanovan, Etruscan and other samples of the Peninsula.


    1) If I remember correctly, what we call Villanovan is not a people but primarily a material culture, corresponding to the oldest phase of Etruscan civilization. In simple terms, the Villanovans are nothing but Etruscans to all intents and purposes (the Etruscans of the first hour), so it escapes me the need to distinguish them from the rest, taking into account, however, that R475 is an outlier with a very likely partial North African/Punic-Sardinian ancestry. Is this meant to be a chronological/geographical distinction?


    2) Consequently, I have some doubts about the reconstruction of the Villanovan Middle Stone Age itself, which - if I have not misunderstood - is elaborated by combining the Veio sample R1015 (Etruscan) with the Martinsicuro proto-Villanovan R1, which is a Proto-Picen (perhaps also partly Balkan, if I remember correctly), and in any case something that can be traced with much more certainty to proto-Italic invasions and to the flows of peoples directly descending from the Urnfields groups.




    To recapitulate: if we admit that the Villanovans are already Etruscans, and ethnic Etruscans in general are intermediate to northern Italy and the Iberian territories, I do not understand the inclusion of R1 to create the average Villanovan.


    I kindly ask for clarification, thank you :)

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    ... a Question:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    Dear all/Maciamo,


    I apologise, I probably missed a few passages and some perplexity arose, in particular on the samples and averages of Villanovan, Etruscan and other samples of the Peninsula.


    1) If I remember correctly, what we call Villanovan is not a people but primarily a material culture, corresponding to the oldest phase of Etruscan civilization. In simple terms, the Villanovans are nothing but Etruscans to all intents and purposes (the Etruscans of the first hour), so it escapes me the need to distinguish them from the rest, taking into account, however, that R475 is an outlier with a very likely partial North African/Punic-Sardinian ancestry. Is this meant to be a chronological/geographical distinction?


    2) Consequently, I have some doubts about the reconstruction of the Villanovan Middle Stone Age itself, which - if I have not misunderstood - is elaborated by combining the Veio sample R1015 (Etruscan) with the Martinsicuro proto-Villanovan R1, which is a Proto-Picen (perhaps also partly Balkan, if I remember correctly), and in any case something that can be traced with much more certainty to proto-Italic invasions and to the flows of peoples directly descending from the Urnfields groups.




    To recapitulate: if we admit that the Villanovans are already Etruscans, and ethnic Etruscans in general are intermediate to northern Italy and the Iberian territories, I do not understand the inclusion of R1 to create the average Villanovan.


    I kindly ask for clarification, thank you :)

    Which are the 2 x Villanovans ? ..................these below or others?

    R1 .....the Liburnian woman found in the picene colony ...mtdna U5a2b



    and

    R1015, Villanovan, 900 - 800 BCE another woman mtdna K1a4


    ................................

    R1 is not an etruscan

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    Thank you for your work!

    Distance to: Szigmund
    3.57528020 33.20% Mesolithic_East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 66.80% Villanovans_(n=2)
    3.74478970 38.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 61.40% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)
    4.01848442 56.80% Villanovans_(n=2) + 43.20% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)
    4.03009538 38.60% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16) + 61.40% Villanovans_(n=2)
    4.32423241 34.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 66.00% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)
    4.49515427 34.00% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 66.00% Villanovans_(n=2)
    4.55281811 58.00% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=19) + 42.00% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    4.80391525 26.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 73.80% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    4.87737068 34.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 65.80% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)
    4.88411880 71.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 28.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    4.96480532 53.60% Villanovans_(n=2) + 46.40% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)
    4.96686394 35.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 64.80% Medieval_Estonia_(n=7)
    5.03920533 38.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 61.60% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)
    5.14595396 35.60% Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 64.40% Villanovans_(n=2)
    5.15016751 41.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 58.20% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)
    5.34913699 55.40% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 44.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    5.38072263 40.00% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 60.00% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)
    5.45262088 43.00% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 57.00% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)
    5.50728686 46.40% Mesolithic_East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 53.60% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    5.51826816 43.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 56.80% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)
    5.59422563 37.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 62.80% Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8)
    5.60960869 44.60% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 55.40% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)
    5.64980136 47.60% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 52.40% Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)
    5.69606973 26.40% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 73.60% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    5.74239895 49.40% Mesolithic_East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 50.60% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)

    Distance to: Szigmund
    6.78960234 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    9.93072001 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    10.28072955 Chernyakhiv_culture_(n=3)
    12.12694933 Lombards_(n=28)
    12.20028278 Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    12.65258472 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    13.71308135 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
    14.47679177 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    14.64909212 Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    14.73665498 Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    15.65188487 MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    16.25617421 Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    16.36015587 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    17.19487133 Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)
    17.42999713 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
    17.90477311 Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)
    19.17944994 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    19.44323790 Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    20.56440128 Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)
    21.43129721 Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    21.88670830 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    22.21206429 Cimmerians_(n=6)
    23.51377256 LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27)
    23.70120250 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    23.75791237 Villanovans_(n=2)


    Target: Szigmund
    Distance: 2.1291% / 2.12906296
    35.5 Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16)
    23.7 Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    22.4 Latins_(n=4)
    10.8 Yamna_culture_(n=13)
    7.6 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)

    Now I'm REALLY need help how to interpret the outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Which are the 2 x Villanovans ? ..................these below or others?

    R1 .....the Liburnian woman found in the picene colony ...mtdna U5a2b



    and

    R1015, Villanovan, 900 - 800 BCE another woman mtdna K1a4


    ................................

    R1 is not an etruscan

    @Torzio,


    this is precisely the point, I'm aware that the Martinsicuro woman R1 belongs to a group quite distinct from the Etruscans.
    But here the "Villanovan" average is the result of the values of R1 with R1015.

    https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/ancient_italy.shtml




    It's therefore not clear to me why the Martinsicuro sample should be included.
    Unfortunately, the terms Protovillanovan and Villanovan are more confusing here...

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    2 members found this post helpful.
    I just added:

    - Chalcolithic Caucasus
    - Chalcolithic Steppe
    - Kura-Araxes
    - Maykop
    - Catacomb culture

    I separated Neolithic Italy into EN Italy, MN Sicily and MN Sardinia.

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    Excellent update, my latest results has been slightly changed:

    I used to get Minoan + Yamnaya as number 1, but it was bumped down by a very similar modeling; Minoan + Catacomb Culture.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Excellent update, my latest results has been slightly changed:

    I used to get Minoan + Yamnaya as number 1, but it was bumped down by a very similar modeling; Minoan + Catacomb Culture.



    "Evidence of Catacomb influence has been discovered far outside of the Pontic steppe. Its burial chambers, metal types and figurines are very similar to those appearing in Italy and the eastern Mediterranean, while the hammer-head pin, a characteristic ornament of the Catacomb culture, has been found in Central Europe and Italy. Based on these similarities, migrations or cultural diffusion from the Catacomb culture to these areas have been suggested.[1] Similarities between the Catacomb culture and Mycenaean Greece are particularly striking. These include types of socketed spear-heads, types of cheekpieces for horses, and the custom of making masks for the dead.[13]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catacomb_culture"

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    In my case the changes happened in the mixed modes Xway, 7way, 6way, 5way, 4way, 3way, 2way (this one not changed), with some new populations displayed.

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.8475% / 2.84753984
    29.5 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    29.2 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    10.7 Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    8.4 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    5.8 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    5.2 Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)
    5.2 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    4.3 Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
    1.7 Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.8399% / 2.83994822 | R7P
    30.9 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    28.7 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    20.9 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    6.3 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    5.1 Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
    4.9 Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)
    3.2 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.8419% / 2.84191193 | R6P
    31.2 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    29.8 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    19.6 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    10.3 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    4.7 Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
    4.4 Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.9098% / 2.90978853 | R5P
    33.4 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    28.7 MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    27.8 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    5.6 Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
    4.5 Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.9842% / 2.98416423 | R4P
    42.7 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    27.5 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    25.2 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    4.6 Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 3.2280% / 3.22797851 | R3P
    49.5 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    43.8 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    6.7 MLBA_North_Caucasus_(n=11)

    Target: Duarte (not changed)
    Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P
    52.4 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    47.6 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


    Last edited by Duarte; 12-03-21 at 17:53.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    @Torzio,


    this is precisely the point, I'm aware that the Martinsicuro woman R1 belongs to a group quite distinct from the Etruscans.
    But here the "Villanovan" average is the result of the values of R1 with R1015.

    https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/ancient_italy.shtml




    It's therefore not clear to me why the Martinsicuro sample should be included.
    Unfortunately, the terms Protovillanovan and Villanovan are more confusing here...

    Agree

    R1 should be with SZ1 .....late bronze age sample ......................( MTA states this SZ1 as 700AD, which looks all wrong )

    If R1 is supposed to be proto-Villanovan...so should SZ1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    I just added:

    - Chalcolithic Caucasus
    - Chalcolithic Steppe
    - Kura-Araxes
    - Maykop
    - Catacomb culture

    I separated Neolithic Italy into EN Italy, MN Sicily and MN Sardinia.

    you should separate your first line of your data as there are 2 samples there


    my results........only changes appear below ...................distance did not change


    Target: Torziok12b
    Distance: 0.5452% / 0.54520574
    23.0 Lombards_(n=28)
    13.3 Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)
    10.5 Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
    9.0 Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)
    8.4 Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)
    7.0 Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=9)
    6.1 Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    6.0 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    5.9 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.8 Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    3.5 Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
    3.5 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)



    Distance to: Torziok12b
    1.32271482 38.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
    1.64679071 54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
    1.73354583 39.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
    1.73485819 63.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 37.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
    1.77723273 36.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 64.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    1.84345179 47.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 53.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
    1.85816164 49.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 50.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
    1.92274543 50.00% EBA_Britain_(n=28) + 50.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
    1.99577565 53.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 46.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    2.04662315 13.00% Catacomb_culture_(n=4) + 87.00% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.07154006 39.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 60.60% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.11079009 13.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 86.80% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.12848251 12.60% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 87.40% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.12911940 45.80% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 54.20% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
    2.16365463 46.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 53.40% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.19754361 56.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 44.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
    2.23190121 42.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 57.40% EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    2.35347041 60.20% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 39.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.36057621 56.60% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 43.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
    2.44643528 48.00% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 52.00% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    2.47300736 14.00% Poltavka_culture_(n=8) + 86.00% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.51334656 46.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    2.56617541 46.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 53.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)
    2.57502390 52.60% Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4) + 47.40% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    2.59523613 55.60% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 44.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)

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    mine hasn't changed much, ... so I’ll compare some Raw-Data instead:

    - Salento it's a combination of files I used in this thread,

    - 23andme v4 + v5 combined,

    - NatGeo

    - AncestryDNA

    ... except for distance, the 2WAY results don't change much:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post

    "Evidence of Catacomb influence has been discovered far outside of the Pontic steppe. Its burial chambers, metal types and figurines are very similar to those appearing in Italy and the eastern Mediterranean, while the hammer-head pin, a characteristic ornament of the Catacomb culture, has been found in Central Europe and Italy. Based on these similarities, migrations or cultural diffusion from the Catacomb culture to these areas have been suggested.[1] Similarities between the Catacomb culture and Mycenaean Greece are particularly striking. These include types of socketed spear-heads, types of cheekpieces for horses, and the custom of making masks for the dead.[13]
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catacomb_culture"


    I would like to see DNA samples on Laterza culture one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Agree

    R1 should be with SZ1 .....late bronze age sample ......................( MTA states this SZ1 as 700AD, which looks all wrong )

    If R1 is supposed to be proto-Villanovan...so should SZ1
    Yes I agree SZ1 I classified wrongly as Avar from 700 A.D.


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    Country: Spain - Castilla & Leon



    My results:

    Distance:

    32.70028899 BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)

    33.85032644 Western_Scythians_(n=28)

    34.01211843 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)

    34.05055359 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)

    35.30625582 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)

    35.45073765 Villanovans_(n=2)

    35.82748665 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)

    36.02320641 Etruscans_(n=3)

    36.10753799 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)

    36.36019389 Ostrogoths_(n=3)

    36.42989295 Latins_(n=4)

    37.60517119 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)

    37.85482664 MBA_Britain_(n=22)

    38.20985475 Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)

    38.22042648 Cimmerians_(n=6)

    38.46362697 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)

    38.75082064 EBA_Britain_(n=28)

    38.88620321 Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)

    39.14861173 Sarmatians_(n=14)

    39.56673729 Lombards_(n=28)

    39.68824133 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)

    39.93865922 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)

    40.50886076 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)

    40.63620922 Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)

    40.67283000 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)


    Percenteages:

    18.43520226 40.80% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 59.20% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)

    18.49412745 41.60% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 58.40% Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)

    19.44807658 45.00% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 55.00% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)

    19.46471512 41.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 58.80% LBA_Hungary_(n=6)

    19.51839899 37.60% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 62.40% Latins_(n=4)

    19.52789010 37.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 62.80% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)

    20.34474256 37.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 62.80% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)

    20.68643409 33.40% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 66.60% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)

    20.78745284 34.80% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 65.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)

    20.93619627 46.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 53.80% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=44)

    21.14441107 36.00% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 64.00% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)

    21.17860239 47.40% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 52.60% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)

    21.39873767 45.00% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 55.00% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24)

    21.40343085 40.80% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 59.20% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)

    21.51393351 46.60% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 53.40% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62)

    21.79978195 36.00% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 64.00% Villanovans_(n=2)

    22.03039453 45.60% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 54.40% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58)

    22.23800865 34.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 65.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)

    22.25098810 46.40% Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=8) + 53.60% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3)

    22.38131126 47.80% Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10) + 52.20% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3)

    22.60622621 47.60% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 52.40% Middle-Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12)

    22.64439532 36.20% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 63.80% Etruscans_(n=3)

    22.88325203 51.20% Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3) + 48.80% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13)

    22.90482420 45.40% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 54.60% Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19)

    23.14797200 37.80% Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6) + 62.20% MBA_Britain_(n=22)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    I have spent most of the last week calculating the the average values for the K12b admixtures for most of the ancient genomes tested to date. I thank Jovialis for providing me the genomes converted in the right format to run the K12b on Admixture-Studio. You will find the table in the page Genomic analysis of ancient Europeans. I provided an introduction on how to interpret the K12b admixtures.

    The purpose of this page is to provide average values for various ancient European populations, which can be used by anyone who has tested their genome to compare their own admixture with these modals on Vahaduo. Averages for a given (historical or modern) population are more useful and representative than individual results due to the potentially high level of interpersonal variations in a society.

    This is a good alternative to MyTrueAncestry. In fact, I have found the K12b admixtures to be considerably more reliable than the genetic distance computed by MyTrueAncestry. For example when comparing the Corded Ware genomes with modern population, K12b gives Poles, Russians and Belarussians as the closest matches to the western Corded Ware (Germany) and Finns, Karelians and Estonians for the eastern Corded Ware. In contrast, the closest matches on MyTrueAncestry were the British, Irish and Dutch for the western Corded Ware, which does not make much sense as it was an R1a-dominant culture and the Brits, Irish and Dutch are all R1b-dominant and descended from the Bell Beaker and Unetice.

    I also found many inconsistencies in MyTrueAncestry for the results of Medieval Germanic tribes. The closest match to the 6th-century Ostrogoths were the Swedes and English. Yet the 6th-century Ostrogoths were already mixed with Huns and Balkans people. The K12b admixtures give a more probable match to modern Hungarians, Austrians, Slovenes and Croats.

    So if you want reliable ancient matches, I would urge you to trust more Dodecad K12b than MyTrueAncestry.
    Thanks for developing.
    Feels like going back in time...with Gedmatch!


    The result looks neat:






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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post

    In my case the changes happened in the mixed modes Xway, 7way, 6way, 5way, 4way, 3way, 2way (this one not changed), with some new populations displayed.

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.8475% / 2.84753984
    29.5 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    29.2 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    10.7 Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    8.4 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    5.8 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    5.2 Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)
    5.2 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    4.3 Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
    1.7 Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.8399% / 2.83994822 | R7P
    30.9 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    28.7 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    20.9 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    6.3 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    5.1 Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
    4.9 Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)
    3.2 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.8419% / 2.84191193 | R6P
    31.2 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    29.8 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    19.6 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    10.3 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    4.7 Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
    4.4 Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.9098% / 2.90978853 | R5P
    33.4 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    28.7 MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    27.8 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    5.6 Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
    4.5 Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.9842% / 2.98416423 | R4P
    42.7 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    27.5 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    25.2 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    4.6 Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)

    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 3.2280% / 3.22797851 | R3P
    49.5 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    43.8 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    6.7 MLBA_North_Caucasus_(n=11)

    Target: Duarte (not changed)
    Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P
    52.4 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    47.6 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


    Comparsion: Added penalties (ADD DIST COL, variation from 0 to 2) instead to reduce number of populatios (REDUCE, variation from 2P to 7P) as I have done above.

    Distance to: Duarte
    6.17150711 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    6.71266713 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    10.86048341 Etruscans_(n=3)
    11.27186764 Latins_(n=4)
    12.12435978 Villanovans_(n=2)
    14.05696980 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    15.13849068 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    15.30209790 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    15.31625933 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    15.62434319 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
    15.87606059 Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)
    16.49046998 BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    16.58959915 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    18.93396947 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    21.80919989 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    22.92128923 Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)
    22.94319289 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    23.82327643 Megalithic_Europe_(n=24)
    24.01004581 Western_Scythians_(n=28)
    24.60763906 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    25.98923239 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    26.16566835 Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19)
    26.20060305 Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58)
    26.29432258 MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    26.34415305 Lombards_(n=28)



    Distance to: Duarte
    4.66417136 47.60% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 52.40% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    5.18746490 22.80% Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22) + 77.20% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.19626512 42.80% Chalcolithic-BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 57.20% Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    5.35883970 21.20% Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44) + 78.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.51279033 82.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9) + 17.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    5.63868310 8.20% Chalcolithic-BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.65769754 12.00% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=44) + 88.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.66006917 11.00% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 89.00% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.67109585 5.80% Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5) + 94.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.71683513 6.00% Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=8) + 94.00% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.71835463 46.80% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 53.20% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    5.73125619 6.40% Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10) + 93.60% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.77176237 7.60% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=44) + 92.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.77419747 6.80% Middle-Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.78342255 6.60% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13) + 93.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.78479561 6.80% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 93.20% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.80326564 46.40% Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44) + 53.60% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    5.80845669 7.60% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58) + 92.40% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.81776672 7.20% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62) + 92.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.81831970 13.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.82309411 8.20% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24) + 91.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.84359788 7.20% Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19) + 92.80% Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    5.91830982 10.60% Neolithic_Britain_(n=62) + 89.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.94935414 45.20% LBA_Hungary_(n=6) + 54.80% Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    5.98550837 11.60% Megalithic_Europe_(n=24) + 88.40% Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 6.1715% / 6.17150711 | ADC: 2x RC
    100.0 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 6.0274% / 6.02742278 | ADC: 1x RC
    69.0 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    31.0 Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 4.0408% / 4.04081691 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    35.7 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    33.8 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    30.5 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 3.3150% / 3.31496719 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    43.8 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    36.6 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    15.0 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
    2.6 Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)
    2.0 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 2.8481% / 2.84809051
    29.9 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    27.6 Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
    11.1 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    8.8 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    6.5 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    5.6 Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    5.1 Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5)
    3.7 Chalcolithic_Caucasus_(n=3)
    1.7 Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)

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