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    Post Eupedia Ancient Ethnicities Checker: reliably compare your DNA to ancient populations

    I have spent most of the last week calculating the the average values for the K12b admixtures for most of the ancient genomes tested to date. I thank Jovialis for providing me the genomes converted in the right format to run the K12b on Admixture-Studio. You will find the table in the page Genomic analysis of ancient Europeans. I provided an introduction on how to interpret the K12b admixtures.

    The purpose of this page is to provide average values for various ancient European populations, which can be used by anyone who has tested their genome to compare their own admixture with these modals on Vahaduo. Averages for a given (historical or modern) population are more useful and representative than individual results due to the potentially high level of interpersonal variations in a society.

    This is a good alternative to MyTrueAncestry. In fact, I have found the K12b admixtures to be considerably more reliable than the genetic distance computed by MyTrueAncestry. For example when comparing the Corded Ware genomes with modern population, K12b gives Poles, Russians and Belarussians as the closest matches to the western Corded Ware (Germany) and Finns, Karelians and Estonians for the eastern Corded Ware. In contrast, the closest matches on MyTrueAncestry were the British, Irish and Dutch for the western Corded Ware, which does not make much sense as it was an R1a-dominant culture and the Brits, Irish and Dutch are all R1b-dominant and descended from the Bell Beaker and Unetice.

    I also found many inconsistencies in MyTrueAncestry for the results of Medieval Germanic tribes. The closest match to the 6th-century Ostrogoths were the Swedes and English. Yet the 6th-century Ostrogoths were already mixed with Huns and Balkans people. The K12b admixtures give a more probable match to modern Hungarians, Austrians, Slovenes and Croats.

    So if you want reliable ancient matches, I would urge you to trust more Dodecad K12b than MyTrueAncestry.
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    Here are the values to copy and paste in Vahaduo to compare with your own genome or modern populations. They are listed in chronological order so that you can easily select the period you are interested in. When comparing someone to multiple ancient populations, it does not make much sense to mix Mesolithic or Neolithic samples with Iron Age or Medieval ones, so it's better to split the data accordingly. You can find the coordinates by period on this page.



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    Epipaleolithic_Levant_(Natufians)_(n=6),0.00,0.34,20.28,1.24,14.41,0.20,1.19,4.56,43.91,0.39,13.48,0.00
    Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5),0.00,1.08,65.59,1.69,0.04,0.06,1.11,18.93,5.54,0.05,0.00,5.90
    Mesolithic_Anatolia_(AHG)_(n=1),0.00,0.00,3.77,0.11,57.42,0.42,0.00,0.00,11.78,0.00,26.51,0.00
    Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2),42.18,0.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,4.35,0.28,0.00,0.00,0.00,50.61,2.03
    Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21),0.00,0.57,0.00,0.74,30.90,65.73,0.38,0.08,0.00,0.02,0.00,1.57
    Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43),0.01,0.37,0.02,0.35,24.46,72.81,0.08,0.02,0.09,0.07,0.03,1.71
    Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31),0.25,2.72,0.00,0.22,15.89,79.14,0.50,0.12,0.00,0.02,0.00,1.13
    Mesolithic_Ukraine_(n=7),0.92,4.54,0.00,0.62,9.05,81.79,1.31,0.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.21
    Mesolithic_Volga-Ural_(n=2),11.27,8.18,0.00,0.00,0.00,77.53,2.39,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.64
    Mesolithic_Northwest_Russia_(n=4),7.23,7.78,0.00,1.37,1.40,81.04,0.09,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.09
    Late_Mesolithic_Comb_Ceramic_culture_(n=2),7.07,7.71,0.00,0.77,0.00,83.02,1.00,0.15,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.31
    Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15),0.48,0.09,9.68,0.10,23.86,1.59,0.00,1.98,30.73,0.94,30.53,0.00
    Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6),64.18,1.82,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.81,5.83,1.02,3.55,0.68,15.97,6.15
    Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=14),0.00,0.07,3.47,0.29,46.01,2.80,0.20,0.34,10.91,0.17,34.74,1.00
    Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=20),0.03,0.14,3.39,0.44,37.92,0.15,0.00,0.61,15.91,0.18,40.32,0.92
    Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3),0.00,0.00,3.61,0.49,43.20,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.96,0.00,37.99,0.76
    Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8),0.00,0.09,2.99,0.01,49.42,7.60,0.00,0.06,11.36,0.04,28.32,0.11
    EN_Alfold_Linear_Pottery_culture_(n=20),0.00,0.00,3.05,0.05,54.21,4.88,0.22,0.09,12.37,0.12,24.83,0.18
    EN_LBK_culture_(n=43),0.00,0.02,3.21,0.09,51.90,0.72,0.00,0.12,14.11,0.07,29.64,0.13
    Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4),0.00,0.06,2.12,0.00,57.21,0.69,0.00,0.00,12.87,0.00,27.06,0.00
    Early_Neolithic_Spain_(n=10),0.00,0.32,4.62,0.13,69.67,0.81,0.01,0.05,9.59,0.15,14.08,0.58
    Early_Neolithic_Italy_(n=10),0.00,0.00,3.77,0.01,54.90,1.68,0.00,0.05,11.33,0.05,28.23,0.01
    Early_Neolithic_Maghreb_(n=1),0.00,0.00,19.30,0.00,48.09,0.17,0.00,1.77,20.93,0.00,9.74,0.00
    Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4),0,0.00,2.89,0.11,51.14,18.29,1.31,0.34,7.10,0.00,19.58,0.00
    Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12),0.11,3.03,0.00,0.75,11.68,81.52,1.26,0.00,0.00,0.32,0.00,1.34
    Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4),0.00,0.40,0.00,0.40,13.65,75.89,0.35,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,9.33
    Neolithic_Lithuania_Narva_culture_(n=4),0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,21.15,78.32,0.06,0.00,0.00,0.04,0.00,0.43
    MN_Vinca_culture_(n=6),0.00,0.05,2.99,0.06,51.34,0.98,0.14,0.14,18.20,0.00,25.77,0.31
    LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8),0.00,0.06,3.98,0.00,51.67,3.60,0.00,0.02,11.19,0.00,29.36,0.11
    LN_Tisza-Sopot_culture_(n=11),0.00,0.01,2.26,0.19,53.02,3.15,0.02,0.00,13.69,0.30,27.18,0.19
    Middle_Neolithic_Sicily_(n=10),0.00,0.00,3.76,0.00,55.03,3.82,0.00,0.07,11.77,0.00,25.52,0.03
    Middle_Neolithic_Sardinia_(n=10),0.00,0.00,4.37,1.35,67.53,2.79,0.00,0.13,7.55,0.12,16.03,0.12
    Middle_Neolithic_France_(n=19),0.00,0.06,4.04,0.24,62.41,9.46,0.05,0.13,8.41,0.04,15.02,0.15
    Neolithic_Britain_(n=62),0.00,0.07,4.07,0.28,65.93,13.23,0.08,0.07,7.13,0.20,8.68,0.25
    Middle_Late_Neolithic_Spain_(n=12),0.00,0.11,3.94,0.29,67.66,9.90,0.28,0.03,7.06,0.29,10.09,0.35
    Middle-Late_Neolithic_Portugal_(n=4),0.00,0.46,4.19,0.53,68.23,11.53,0.02,0.46,6.58,0.40,6.92,0.70
    Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=58),0.52,0.13,4.08,0.19,63.95,11.13,0.03,0.02,7.00,0.19,12.71,0.06
    Megalithic_Europe_(n=24),0.00,0.02,3.77,0.25,62.37,13.97,0.05,0.43,7.32,0.37,10.86,0.59
    MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6),0.00,0.00,1.29,0.65,53.72,42.20,0.00,0.27,0.68,0.32,0.00,0.86
    Khvalynsk_culture_(n=3),26.10,5.95,0.00,0.15,0.00,66.48,0.55,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.37,0.40
    Chalcolithic_Pontic_Steppe_(n=3),36.31,2.64,0.00,0.00,0.00,48.76,2.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,8.54,1.18
    Botai_culture_(n=3),20.42,27.26,0.00,2.16,0.00,43.87,4.87,0.00,0.00,1.31,0.00,0.11
    CA_Afanasievo_culture_(n=5),24.19,1.31,0.00,0.03,9.45,62.36,0.32,0.07,0.00,0.04,1.93,0.28
    Chalcolithic_Northwest_Caucasus_(n=3),23.32,0.00,0.74,0.31,0.96,11.65,0.26,0.00,3.70,0.70,56.91,1.44
    Chalcolithic_Azerbaijan_(n=4),17.37,0.00,2.29,0.71,12.06,0.70,0.74,0.62,16.84,0.41,47.98,0.27
    Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35),8.77,0.05,1.54,0.16,17.49,0.97,0.36,0.13,17.88,0.12,52.11,0.41
    Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6),0.00,0.00,3.09,0.12,26.99,0.00,0.11,0.00,22.78,0.26,46.53,0.13
    Chalcolithic_Israel,0.00,0.00,5.47,0.28,18.98,0.00,0.01,1.07,36.61,0.12,37.31,0.15
    Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9),0.00,0.00,3.62,0.03,48.06,5.72,0.00,0.00,13.72,0.00,28.84,0.01
    Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1),0.00,0.00,0.00,0.24,43.99,53.43,0.00,0.09,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.25
    CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3),0.00,0.00,0.78,0.71,69.04,11.78,0.00,0.00,5.18,0.00,11.80,0.72
    Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6),0.00,0.14,2.10,0.00,62.55,19.90,0.00,0.00,6.42,0.01,8.72,0.16
    Middle_Chalcolithic_Hungary_(n=9),0.00,0.06,2.59,0.00,54.30,4.98,0.01,0.21,11.41,0.09,26.19,0.16
    Late_Chalcolithic_Baden_culture_(n=14),0.00,0.01,3.30,0.10,54.14,7.69,0.00,0.02,11.04,0.13,23.26,0.32
    Chalcolithic_Italy_(n=5),0.00,0.00,4.37,0.19,60.14,2.99,0.00,0.00,8.70,0.00,23.19,0.42
    Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10),0.00,0.05,7.10,0.20,62.40,4.58,0.00,1.41,8.67,0.08,14.69,0.83
    Chalcolithic_Spain_(n=60),0.67,0.18,3.55,0.44,66.83,14.83,0.42,0.30,5.23,0.18,6.91,0.46
    Chalcolithic_Portugal_(n=11),0.00,0.67,4.28,0.45,65.01,11.91,0.76,1.21,5.55,0.48,8.81,0.86
    Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11),0.41,0.03,2.98,0.14,68.83,13.98,0.95,0.15,3.37,0.53,8.33,0.31
    Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13),8.61,0.65,1.22,0.24,38.28,39.03,0.77,0.52,3.24,0.08,7.02,0.33
    Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20),8.93,1.10,0.71,0.27,35.12,40.72,0.79,0.30,1.46,0.17,9.66,0.78
    Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15),8.03,0.49,0.54,0.03,34.19,45.22,0.45,0.10,1.12,0.12,9.28,0.43
    Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6),9.44,0.72,1.14,0.40,36.30,32.38,0.21,0.19,4.16,0.00,14.09,0.98
    Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6),9.04,1.19,0.23,0.14,38.46,36.83,0.21,0.16,1.73,0.00,11.13,0.89
    Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7),13.47,0.91,0.00,0.04,30.87,49.92,1.00,0.17,0.02,0.01,2.72,0.86
    Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27),12.57,0.74,0.15,0.13,34.10,47.22,0.84,0.37,0.31,0.18,2.76,0.65
    Kura-Araxes_culture_(n=8),23.11,0.73,1.17,0.01,5.83,6.92,0.09,0.33,9.87,0.00,51.11,0.83
    Early_Bronze_Age_Jordan_(n=3),3.70,1.96,1.80,2.59,16.66,0.07,0.03,2.56,34.26,0.00,36.36,0.00
    EMBA_Greece_(n=6),2.31,0.28,2.82,0.14,34.82,9.08,0.02,0.08,10.81,0.49,37.34,1.82
    Minoan_Greece_(n=10),1.24,0.05,2.80,0.09,40.35,0.07,0.00,0.00,13.79,0.29,41.27,0.04
    Maykop_culture_(n=16),27.32,3.15,0.44,0.11,3.81,20.03,2.14,0.10,5.14,0.02,36.78,0.95
    Yamna_culture_(n=16),27.42,2.50,0.00,0.12,3.38,57.21,1.90,0.04,0.00,0.00,6.77,0.68
    Eastern_Corded_Ware_(n=14),16.45,1.20,0.00,0.00,17.75,59.38,1.23,0.38,0.00,0.00,2.67,0.94
    Western_Corded_Ware_(n=17),14.35,0.78,0.06,0.06,22.27,55.22,0.50,0.04,0.15,0.35,5.47,0.75
    Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3),12.01,0.59,0.00,0.00,29.41,52.60,1.01,0.10,0.00,0.00,3.25,1.03
    EBA_Fatyanovo_culture_(n=18),14.71,1.13,0.42,0.34,23.58,52.50,1.46,0.36,0.06,0.12,4.09,1.21
    EMBA_Poltavka_culture_(n=8),24.61,3.15,0.00,0.00,9.02,55.88,1.84,0.14,0.36,0.00,4.47,0.54
    EMBA_Catacomb_culture_(n=4),28.50,2.40,0.00,0.09,2.43,57.07,1.42,0.00,0.00,0.00,7.10,1.00
    MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4),14.63,0.10,0.10,0.00,27.86,55.95,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.05,0.33
    EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18),8.09,0.76,0.61,0.09,30.84,53.50,0.40,0.23,0.29,0.14,4.80,0.25
    Early_Bronze_Age_Serbia_(n=23),1.83,0.25,1.20,0.24,37.85,36.37,0.44,0.16,4.51,0.10,16.53,0.51
    Early_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=28),11.99,0.65,0.40,0.43,34.02,46.75,0.72,0.21,0.28,0.08,3.35,1.11
    Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7),3.84,0.22,2.77,0.76,54.51,24.30,0.87,0.24,3.43,1.00,7.06,0.99
    Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4),2.09,0.31,2.85,0.36,38.17,7.57,0.13,0.25,9.98,0.42,37.10,0.80
    Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15),0.40,0.28,3.21,0.18,48.14,9.71,0.19,0.00,9.88,0.20,27.52,0.27
    Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13),0.00,0.00,4.03,0.36,66.71,5.81,0.07,0.03,8.09,0.05,14.64,0.23
    Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24),11.28,0.63,0.25,0.18,36.18,44.97,1.05,0.14,0.09,0.04,4.37,0.82
    Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24),7.79,0.63,1.26,0.44,40.93,37.99,0.74,0.22,1.73,0.26,7.55,0.45
    Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5),1.20,0.35,0.17,0.37,50.83,30.77,0.19,0.78,2.26,0.00,12.74,0.33
    Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4),9.53,0.00,1.96,0.09,14.18,0.00,0.15,0.32,19.93,0.06,53.10,0.68
    Early-Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=9),8.77,0.00,3.09,0.37,12.70,0.24,0.55,0.54,26.16,0.13,47.13,0.31
    Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_North_Levant_(n=24),11.47,0.21,3.35,0.20,12.45,3.12,0.68,0.45,22.43,0.21,45.27,0.15
    Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2),5.22,0.00,0.00,0.00,29.43,3.32,0.00,0.11,12.40,0.00,48.94,0.58
    Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2),9.37,3.22,0.80,0.00,16.48,8.51,0.00,0.00,13.03,3.32,44.46,0.83
    Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7),7.65,0.38,0.15,0.04,40.96,35.90,0.95,0.22,1.24,0.25,11.46,0.80
    Middle_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy_(n=9),1.57,0.27,2.20,0.48,51.18,18.07,0.28,0.02,7.78,0.13,17.53,0.49
    Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38),1.40,0.22,2.80,0.35,56.09,25.24,0.44,0.17,3.45,0.30,9.06,0.48
    Middle_Bronze_Age_Portugal_(n=4),0.58,0.14,3.24,0.53,57.27,23.19,0.58,0.01,5.06,0.35,8.26,0.79
    Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26),8.37,0.70,0.79,0.34,38.03,41.31,0.58,0.33,1.30,0.28,7.50,0.47
    Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14),5.79,0.00,0.17,0.80,37.49,53.80,0.07,0.00,0.08,0.00,1.36,0.44
    Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=7),28.78,2.62,0.00,0.31,2.06,52.67,0.93,0.12,0.00,0.00,11.30,1.21
    Late_Bronze_Age_North_Caucasus_(n=4),26.72,0.93,0.00,0.00,2.39,25.10,1.33,0.07,1.70,0.16,40.77,0.83
    Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12),0.70,0.00,0.41,0.02,44.26,41.40,0.29,0.11,1.52,0.12,10.92,0.25
    Bronze_Age_Illyrians,4.87,0.27,0.93,0.48,37.82,25.19,0.00,0.00,5.57,0.00,24.10,0.78
    MBA_Andronovo_culture_(n=3),15.80,3.46,0.00,1.55,19.95,57.67,0.26,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.07,0.24
    LBA_Karasuk_culture_(n=7),15.10,23.27,0.00,0.00,10.87,40.85,0.92,0.01,0.00,8.54,0.02,0.42
    LBA_South_Siberia_(n=4),8.54,20.93,0.00,0.26,17.73,44.02,0.23,0.00,0.53,6.12,1.29,0.36
    LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=27),18.44,2.39,0.16,0.24,19.92,53.42,1.13,0.31,0.05,0.03,3.40,0.52
    Baltic_Bronze_Age_(n=12),2.62,0.66,0.24,0.36,15.25,74.50,1.04,0.56,0.03,0.00,3.86,0.88
    Bronze_Age_Estonia_(n=16),2.02,2.00,0.48,0.23,14.95,74.85,0.57,0.60,0.05,0.25,2.92,1.08
    Bronze_Age_Kola_peninsula_(n=6),7.02,38.04,0.00,0.60,0.00,44.58,1.85,0.08,0.00,7.38,0.00,0.45
    Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22),3.02,0.85,2.28,0.28,54.07,27.53,0.82,0.19,2.53,0.23,7.39,0.80
    Late_Bronze_Age_Israel_(n=3),8.72,0.00,5.40,0.18,11.54,3.12,0.00,0.17,27.17,0.00,43.57,0.13
    Iron_Age_Armenia_(n=7),22.61,0.21,0.28,0.19,10.41,22.97,0.05,0.00,5.13,0.00,37.60,0.54
    Iron_Age_&_Hellenistic_Egypt_(n=3),0.89,0.27,8.95,0.32,14.51,0.00,0.11,6.41,32.82,0.02,35.69,0.00
    Italian_Greeks_(n=2),6.88,0.00,3.78,0.50,27.23,11.24,0.00,0.22,13.20,0.00,36.92,0.01
    Etruscans_(n=3),2.73,0.06,5.36,0.05,41.49,20.22,0.12,0.73,8.21,0.07,20.57,0.47
    Villanovans_(n=2),3.29,0.99,2.09,0.00,41.12,24.06,0.00,0.00,5.45,0.00,22.68,0.20
    Latins_(n=4),3.10,0.41,1.38,0.20,47.83,24.48,0.40,0.04,2.68,0.00,19.26,0.25
    Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46),8.39,0.14,3.33,0.21,24.69,8.66,0.26,0.54,14.86,0.14,38.36,0.43
    Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2),8.03,0.24,2.22,0.79,30.54,15.60,0.00,0.00,10.52,0.00,32.08,0.00
    Gauls_Belgae_(n=16),5.45,0.24,1.05,0.31,40.57,36.46,0.87,0.22,3.29,0.46,10.72,0.31
    Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2),3.08,0.00,0.34,0.00,42.42,41.91,0.00,0.22,1.24,1.38,9.44,0.65
    Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4),10.07,0.43,1.14,0.30,39.11,42.94,0.34,0.00,0.20,0.00,4.64,0.84
    Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10),7.60,0.60,0.79,0.41,35.30,48.67,0.38,0.59,1.07,0.43,2.72,1.44
    Iron_Age_Norway_(n=6),8.85,3.18,0.16,0.05,29.31,52.73,0.40,0.15,0.03,0.48,3.26,1.44
    Iron_Age_Sweden_(n=4),8.70,1.18,0.81,0.26,33.18,50.44,0.49,0.72,1.49,0.00,0.60,2.13
    Iron_Age_Estonia_(n=8),2.71,1.76,0.24,0.18,17.89,69.33,0.89,0.36,1.05,0.11,4.48,1.00
    Iron_Age_Finland_(n=3),5.23,16.18,0.26,0.71,20.26,53.58,1.39,0.31,0.00,1.92,0.01,0.16
    Cimmerians_(n=6),17.57,9.28,0.00,1.02,15.41,38.52,1.99,0.30,0.79,4.21,10.27,0.64
    Western_Scythians_(n=28),11.10,4.19,1.03,0.96,23.28,33.27,0.97,0.60,3.60,2.63,17.68,0.71
    Eastern_Scythians_(n=12),18.04,18.04,0.02,2.33,6.00,31.64,3.25,0.36,0.71,13.47,5.47,0.68
    Sarmatians_(n=14),23.82,8.10,0.15,0.26,11.53,41.41,2.40,0.29,0.18,2.22,8.97,0.67
    Tian_Shan_Saka_(n=5),25.93,13.09,0.11,0.35,9.74,35.07,1.32,0.00,0.00,7.80,7.67,0.92
    Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24),6.54,0.21,3.14,0.20,32.52,17.92,0.30,0.46,10.05,0.10,28.33,0.25
    Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5),4.21,0.19,2.29,0.19,34.59,19.45,0.61,0.43,9.88,0.18,27.42,0.55
    Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16),6.43,0.27,1.77,0.21,33.12,24.00,0.33,0.38,8.11,0.25,24.71,0.42
    6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7),7.98,0.21,2.80,0.84,29.83,14.91,0.61,0.47,9.99,2.32,29.77,0.27
    6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24),7.80,0.47,1.40,0.44,33.46,32.13,0.37,0.52,4.87,0.75,17.44,0.35
    Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5),5.89,0.56,3.82,0.49,27.97,19.28,0.19,0.47,10.48,0.34,29.06,1.44
    Roman_Britain_(n=8),10.24,0.15,0.85,0.14,37.33,43.76,0.44,0.23,0.33,0.17,5.38,0.97
    Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31),4.55,0.46,6.37,0.25,39.07,23.34,1.00,0.89,7.10,0.33,15.47,1.17
    Early_Medieval_Canaries_(n=5),0.00,0.66,30.29,0.56,25.07,2.26,1.09,8.87,15.17,0.20,10.19,5.65
    Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9),4.57,0.27,4.62,0.16,41.22,26.09,0.68,0.75,5.75,0.55,14.51,0.83
    Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14),3.62,0.24,8.84,0.29,33.69,15.78,0.81,3.06,10.12,0.54,15.98,7.02
    Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20),8.36,0.62,0.93,0.34,32.06,44.48,0.20,0.31,1.20,0.40,5.05,1.06
    Anglo-Saxons_(n=4),10.72,0.33,0.41,0.18,37.05,47.56,0.20,0.21,0.24,0.13,2.28,0.72
    Lombards_(n=28),8.38,0.38,0.30,0.17,35.03,46.38,0.35,0.23,1.05,0.06,7.26,0.42
    Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3),9.95,0.37,0.86,0.95,31.29,45.56,0.72,0.32,1.25,0.00,8.38,0.35
    Ostrogoths_(n=3),7.92,2.51,1.82,1.28,29.31,39.14,0.73,0.09,0.86,1.73,13.41,1.21
    Danish_Vikings_(n=21),7.02,0.56,0.63,0.26,34.29,45.62,0.62,0.45,1.47,0.21,7.80,1.07
    Swedish_Vikings_(n=23),6.50,1.09,0.51,0.68,31.07,51.68,0.75,0.43,0.28,0.39,5.16,1.46
    Vikings_from_England_(n=28),8.40,0.72,0.57,0.71,35.30,46.60,0.31,0.30,0.91,0.11,4.17,1.91
    Vikings_from_Poland_(n=9),4.35,0.31,0.69,0.38,27.39,55.13,0.42,0.34,0.82,0.21,8.68,1.28
    Vikings_from_Russia_(n=15),5.28,1.54,0.22,0.56,27.39,53.31,0.70,0.81,1.57,0.80,6.76,1.07
    Vikings_from_Ukraine_(n=4),4.39,1.94,0.57,0.64,26.14,53.36,0.10,0.10,0.98,0.22,9.95,1.63
    Caucasian_Alans_(n=2),20.70,2.23,0.10,0.00,10.37,24.33,0.07,0.00,3.64,0.00,38.14,0.42
    Avars_(n=2),4.96,1.09,0.11,0.00,24.45,55.08,0.69,0.34,1.38,0.00,11.68,0.23
    Early_Medieval_Czechs_(n=2),0.92,0.00,0.27,0.00,27.17,65.15,0.00,0.00,0.19,0.00,6.29,0.03
    Medieval_Estonia_(n=7),3.28,1.99,0.62,1.64,21.55,65.31,0.45,0.39,0.82,0.17,3.06,0.72
    Iron_Age_Kangju_(n=4),25.75,6.42,0.00,0.16,13.08,34.22,1.63,0.00,0.21,2.41,14.45,1.69
    Tian_Shan_Huns_(n=8),20.94,17.16,0.00,0.18,8.64,32.97,1.72,0.04,0.00,13.49,4.10,0.76
    Mongolian_Xiongnu_(n=5),8.74,15.47,0.12,12.81,2.00,11.56,1.38,0.00,0.11,46.40,0.08,1.31
    Iron_Age_Altai_(n=5),14.62,23.01,0.13,2.97,7.58,34.88,0.33,0.00,0.00,13.80,2.40,0.30
    Medieval_Steppe_Turks_(n=2),15.51,14.66,0.19,2.02,12.43,27.26,0.00,0.00,0.00,22.40,5.20,0.34
    I recommend using the 2WAY function as it takes into account blends of populations. I tested it with modern individuals with parents from different countries and is worked perfectly (exactly 50%-50% from each parent's country). It is a bit slow to calculate though.
    Last edited by Maciamo; 20-06-21 at 14:43.

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    Fantastic work Maciamo! You have brought it to the next level with these coordinates.

    Here are my results:

    Minoan + Yamnaya.

    Basically, one of the scenarios that Lazaridis proposed as the Northern Model for the Mycenaean Greeks in his 2017 paper. Very cool! :)


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    ... thanks Maciano

    ... Top 10 - Combined, AncestryDNA, 23_v4:


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    Maciamo: Nice work! Good morning Salento and Jovialis. My top 25 (Ancestry DNA). I like the two source model, very parsimonious and can explain things without all sorts of data mining, etc.

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani
    1.62473465 76.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 23.40% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    1.88133259 14.80% IA_Iberia_(n=22) + 85.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    1.96875111 26.80% Etruscans_(n=3) + 73.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.12602696 14.80% BA_Iberia_(n=44) + 85.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.48183437 14.80% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=11) + 85.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.61225469 14.80% BA_Gaul_(n=31) + 85.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.74505064 13.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.77909149 15.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 84.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.83854812 24.60% Villanovans_(n=2) + 75.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.87891152 19.20% Latins_(n=4) + 80.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.95826576 12.80% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=19) + 87.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.02577571 14.60% LBA_Hungary_(n=6) + 85.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.12311873 19.20% Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4) + 80.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.18786574 12.00% Neolithic_Britain_(n=34) + 88.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.23742948 15.60% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 84.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.28527754 13.40% Megalithic_Europe + 86.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.47489435 89.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 10.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    3.48389700 11.40% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 88.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.49166773 13.40% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=64) + 86.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.53552150 11.80% MBA_Britain_(n=22) + 88.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.55699617 75.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 24.20% Yamna_culture_(n=13)
    3.70940543 9.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 90.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.71805264 11.00% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 89.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.72039706 11.20% EBA_Britain_(n=28) + 88.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.78182034 88.20% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 11.80% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Fantastic work Maciamo! You have brought it to the next level with these coordinates.

    Here are my results:

    Minoan + Yamnaya.

    Basically, one of the scenarios that Lazaridis proposed as the Northern Model for the Mycenaean Greeks in his 2017 paper. Very cool! :)

    .... Thanks @PT :)

    ... the rest of the results:





    ... I’m still trying to make sense of it, ... I don’t know.
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    I'm starting to wonder if the Minions could actually be a good proxy for what pre-Italic southern farmers in Italy may have looked like genetically. Perhaps the Italics brought Steppe to Southern Italy in a similar amount that the Proto-Greeks brought it to the pre-Hellenic people in Greece. Which could be why Southern Italians look genetically similar to Mycenaeans. Of course in addition to waves of Greek colonization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I'm starting to wonder if the Minions could actually be a good proxy for what pre-Italic southern farmers in Italy may have looked like genetically. Perhaps the Italics brought Steppe to Southern Italy in a similar amount that the Proto-Greeks brought it to the pre-Hellenic people in Greece. Which could be why Southern Italians look genetically similar to Mycenaeans. Of course in addition to waves of Greek colonization.




    Somewhat similar to the Northern model for Mycenaeans:


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    1 members found this post helpful.
    Nice work Maciamo

    Mine

    2way best matches
    Distance to: Duarte
    5.18746490 22.80% IA_Iberia_(n=22) + 77.20% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.19626512 42.80% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 57.20% Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    5.35883970 21.20% BA_Iberia_(n=44) + 78.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.59923265 13.60% Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=19) + 86.40% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.66006917 11.00% Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11) + 89.00% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.81364857 11.20% Neolithic_Britain_(n=34) + 88.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.81831970 13.20% Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6) + 86.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    5.98550837 11.60% Megalithic_Europe + 88.40% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    6.05035342 11.20% Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=64) + 88.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    6.13787503 7.20% Neolithic_Spain_(n=15) + 92.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    6.20489093 15.00% BA_Gaul_(n=31) + 85.00% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    6.23616667 21.00% Latins_(n=4) + 79.00% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    6.25515374 7.40% Nuragic_Sardinia_(n=13) + 92.60% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    6.26468528 66.80% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 33.20% Yamna_culture_(n=13)
    6.31869268 12.80% LBA_Hungary_(n=6) + 87.20% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    6.33066844 7.40% Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10) + 92.60% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    6.36697101 12.20% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=11) + 87.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    6.41262347 7.00% Neolithic_France_(n=21) + 93.00% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    6.49485853 11.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 89.00% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    6.50171881 6.20% MBA_Britain_(n=22) + 93.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    6.50553347 94.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31) + 5.20% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    6.54877227 5.00% EBA_Britain_(n=28) + 95.00% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    6.55580486 4.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 95.20% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    6.55939674 4.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 96.00% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    6.57738602 8.20% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 91.80% Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)


    First matches with 6way, 5way, 4way, 3way, 2way:


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 4.4167% / 4.41668913 | R6P
    36.2 Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10)
    26.0 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    22.9 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    8.6 Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=19)
    4.9 Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)
    1.4 Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43)


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 4.4175% / 4.41745207 | R5P
    39.0 Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10)
    23.5 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    22.6 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    9.8 Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43)
    5.1 Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 4.5936% / 4.59363103 | R4P
    45.2 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    26.1 Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10)
    25.9 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    2.8 Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 4.7312% / 4.73120096 | R3P
    54.3 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    42.8 Chalcolithic_BB_Sardinia_(n=10)
    2.9 Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)


    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 5.1875% / 5.18746490 | R2P
    77.2 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    22.8 IA_Iberia_(n=22)


    Single way best matches


    Distance to: Duarte
    6.71266713 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    10.86048341 Etruscans_(n=3)
    11.27186764 Latins_(n=4)
    12.12435978 Villanovans_(n=2)
    15.13849068 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    15.30209790 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    15.31625933 IA_Iberia_(n=22)
    15.69609824 BA_Gaul_(n=31)
    15.87606059 BA_Iberia_(n=44)
    16.49046998 BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    16.55861407 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=11)
    16.58959915 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    20.79682909 Scythians_(n=19)
    21.80919989 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    22.92128923 Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)
    22.94319289 BA_Sicily_(n=15)
    23.82327643 Megalithic_Europe
    23.87818251 Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=64)
    24.06814908 Chalcolithic_Iberia_(n=19)
    24.60763906 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    25.98923239 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    26.29432258 MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    26.34415305 Lombards_(n=28)
    26.88002046 Neolithic_France_(n=21)
    27.36321253 Neolithic_Britain_(n=34)

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    mine below


    Distance to: Torziok12b
    7.93611996 Villanovans_(n=2)
    9.76980041 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    11.45072923 Etruscans_(n=3)
    12.09149288 Scythians_(n=19)
    13.38610100 BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    13.72095113 Latins_(n=4)
    14.51663529 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    16.26212471 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    16.80917607 BA_Gaul_(n=31)
    17.43714713 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    17.48916236 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=11)
    19.61592210 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    21.25626025 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    23.44443004 IA_Iberia_(n=22)
    23.57409807 Lombards_(n=28)
    23.80852998 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    24.25986810 BA_Iberia_(n=44)
    24.30828665 BA_Sicily_(n=15)
    24.97473724 MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    25.76996702 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    26.93811983 Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    26.95927484 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    27.77203990 Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)
    28.63350834 Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)
    29.38142270 Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)



    Target: Torziok12b
    Distance: 1.2688% / 1.26880239 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    51.3 BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    24.8 Villanovans_(n=2)
    23.9 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)



    Distance to: Torziok12b
    1.64679071 54.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    1.73485819 63.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 37.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    1.77723273 64.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 36.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    1.84345179 47.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 53.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    1.85816164 49.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 50.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    1.92274543 50.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 50.00% EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    1.99577565 53.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 46.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    2.07154006 39.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 60.60% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.12184492 60.60% BA_Gaul_(n=31) + 39.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.14439183 13.00% Yamna_culture_(n=13) + 87.00% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.16365463 46.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 53.40% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.19754361 56.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 44.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    2.23190121 42.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 57.40% EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    2.36057621 56.60% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 43.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    2.44643528 48.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 52.00% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    2.51334656 46.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 53.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    2.56617541 46.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 53.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)
    2.57502390 52.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 47.40% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    2.59523613 55.60% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 44.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    2.61226947 39.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 60.40% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    2.64471292 46.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 53.20% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    2.67026594 67.20% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 32.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    2.76505056 66.20% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 33.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.92738936 40.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 59.20% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    2.94698829 37.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 62.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4p
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I'm starting to wonder if the Minions could actually be a good proxy for what pre-Italic southern farmers in Italy may have looked like genetically. Perhaps the Italics brought Steppe to Southern Italy in a similar amount that the Proto-Greeks brought it to the pre-Hellenic people in Greece. Which could be why Southern Italians look genetically similar to Mycenaeans. Of course in addition to waves of Greek colonization.
    I’m not getting the Minoans on the default 2way calculator, ... and the secondary population from the top it’s geographically very far from the primary population,
    ... though my primary population exceeds 90%,
    maybe at this high level mark the Minoans start to build up too much or too little of a distance on the 2way calculator.

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    Mine :)

    Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    2.49467477 47.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 52.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.54191127 58.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 41.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    2.81691307 58.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 41.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    3.05643178 55.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 45.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    3.29448972 44.60% BA_Gaul_(n=31) + 55.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.33197422 45.20% LBA_Hungary_(n=6) + 54.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.38469387 66.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 33.20% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    3.49091616 54.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 46.00% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    3.49104056 64.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 36.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    3.72417685 32.40% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 67.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.75302097 44.00% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=11) + 56.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.86028119 62.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 37.20% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    4.00960640 41.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 58.40% Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    4.20452905 48.40% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 51.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    4.27870844 60.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 39.60% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    4.28871627 28.60% Mesolithic_East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 71.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)
    4.29261885 36.20% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 63.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    4.31633863 26.80% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 73.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    4.34504166 43.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 56.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    4.34673882 52.40% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 47.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    4.38612033 59.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 41.00% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    4.45076363 34.80% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 65.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    4.45467574 58.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 41.20% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=13)
    4.46459262 61.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 38.60% Lombards_(n=28)
    4.46768296 67.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 33.00% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=13)

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    Thanks, Maciamo...

    My father would have been very happy to see this. I guess he was right to a certain extent all along; He always told me I was descended from the Villanovans/Etruscans, and to a degree to the Latins, as well as always claiming that the Etruscans were "native" to our lands for a long time, which I also proposed for years. :)

    Distance to: Angela
    6.58167152 Villanovans_(n=2)
    7.96705717 Etruscans_(n=3)
    11.89617165 Latins_(n=4)
    13.13808205 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    13.49591049 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    13.54544942 BA_Sicily_(n=15)
    16.75045373 Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    18.23290981 Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)
    18.34038713 Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)
    20.64124996 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    21.32677660 Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)
    21.72445626 Scythians_(n=19)
    23.32025086 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    23.48813956 Early_Neolithic_LBK_culture_(n=17)
    23.68992824 Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    23.92374344 BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    24.12355281 BA_Iberia_(n=44)
    24.50708673 Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)
    25.08354640 IA_Iberia_(n=22)
    25.25851935 BA_Gaul_(n=31)
    25.28784491 Neolithic_Italy_(n=17)
    25.73152735 Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    26.41515096 Neolithic_France_(n=21)
    26.70653665 Late_Neolithic_Switzerland_(n=64)
    26.75600867 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=11)

    With single: Never got the Mycenaeans before.

    Target: Angela
    Distance: 1.2242% / 1.22419699
    49.8 Latins_(n=4)
    43.8 Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    6.1 Yamna_culture_(n=13)
    0.2 Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)
    0.1 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)

    Well, I must say that made me very happy. I'm related to the people of both the great civilizations of antiquity :) Of course, there's Yamnaya in both the Latins and the ancient Greeks, and there's CHG/Iran Neo in the ancient Greeks.

    Anyone know the numbers for the two "Italian Greeks" used?

    Two way:
    Distance to: Angela
    1.92071940 63.60% Latins_(n=4) + 36.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.41905369 60.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 39.80% BA_Gaul_(n=31)
    2.53019522 26.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 73.20% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.73060830 19.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 81.00% Villanovans_(n=2)
    3.07680600 58.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 41.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    3.15678046 19.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 80.80% Villanovans_(n=2)
    3.32187667 21.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 78.80% Villanovans_(n=2)
    3.36213125 49.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 50.40% BA_Gaul_(n=31)
    3.42006999 58.40% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 41.60% LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    3.43235389 38.20% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=11) + 61.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    3.63264342 47.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 52.20% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    3.69109049 60.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 39.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    3.73183551 53.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 47.00% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    3.75391058 51.80% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 48.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    3.76884374 49.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 50.60% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    3.82840221 40.80% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 59.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    3.86059777 62.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 38.00% Lombards_(n=28)
    3.93832949 58.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 41.80% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    3.94714773 71.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 28.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    3.96712040 68.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 31.40% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    3.98161434 66.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 33.20% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    3.99801750 40.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 59.20% Latins_(n=4)
    4.06184353 66.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 33.60% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)
    4.09084128 58.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 41.40% Lombards_(n=28)
    4.16638982 57.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 43.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)

    For Italians, I wonder how it would work if the one Parma Beaker sample which is almost completely EEF was included? Does anyone know if the raw data was ever made available? Or maybe we could average all the Italian Neolithic samples?
    (
    Target: Angela
    Distance: 1.2242% / 1.22419699
    49.8 Latins_(n=4)
    43.8 Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    6.1 Yamna_culture_(n=13)
    0.2 Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)
    0.1 Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    Last edited by Angela; 11-03-21 at 04:09.


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    Angela: I think what you are referring to are the Sample Numbers for the Italian Greeks. I think they are R474 and R850. If that is not what you were asking, my apologies.

    Regards, PT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuvanè View Post
    Mine :)

    Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    2.49467477 47.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 52.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.54191127 58.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 41.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    2.81691307 58.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 41.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    3.05643178 55.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 45.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    3.29448972 44.60% BA_Gaul_(n=31) + 55.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.33197422 45.20% LBA_Hungary_(n=6) + 54.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.38469387 66.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 33.20% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    3.49091616 54.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 46.00% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    3.49104056 64.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 36.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    3.72417685 32.40% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 67.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.75302097 44.00% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=11) + 56.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.86028119 62.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 37.20% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    4.00960640 41.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 58.40% Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    4.20452905 48.40% BB_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 51.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    4.27870844 60.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 39.60% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    4.28871627 28.60% Mesolithic_East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 71.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)
    4.29261885 36.20% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 63.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    4.31633863 26.80% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 73.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    4.34504166 43.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 56.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    4.34673882 52.40% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 47.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    4.38612033 59.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 41.00% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    4.45076363 34.80% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 65.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    4.45467574 58.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 41.20% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=13)
    4.46459262 61.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 38.60% Lombards_(n=28)
    4.46768296 67.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 33.00% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=13)
    Stuvane, what do you get for all over distance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Fantastic work Maciamo! You have brought it to the next level with these coordinates.

    Here are my results:

    Minoan + Yamnaya.

    Basically, one of the scenarios that Lazaridis proposed as the Northern Model for the Mycenaean Greeks in his 2017 paper. Very cool! :)

    Here are the other tabs for mine:




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    Quote Originally Posted by Palermo Trapani View Post
    Angela: I think what you are referring to are the Sample Numbers for the Italian Greeks. I think they are R474 and R850. If that is not what you were asking, my apologies.

    Regards, PT
    Not 437 and 850?

    At any rate, my closest two way admixture is :

    1.92071940 63.60% Latins_(n=4) + 36.40% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)

    If I'm right about the "Italian Greek" samples, and they are half Latin, then, dividing the 35.40 by 2, I get an additional 18.2% Latin/Ancient Roman, for a total of 81.8%. I'll take that. :)



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    Angela: Sorry, 437 is correct, I just missed label that one, which I tend to always have genetic distances pretty close to.

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    Maciamo: Great work again and great thread with some really good results for everyone all around. My other tabs using the Coordinates Maciamo produced in post #2.

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    7 members found this post helpful.
    I have updated the coordinates. I separated Early Neolithic France from Middle Neolithic France, revised BB Gaul and BA Gaul, and added Medieval Catalonia and Medieval Andalusia.

    My closest populations in 2Way are:

    1.47976060 44.20% Latins_(n=4) + 55.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)

    Similar in Single:

    Target: Maciamo
    Distance: 1.0116% / 1.01164818
    58.7 Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    33.2 Latins_(n=4)
    4.5 Globular_Amphora_culture_(n=6)
    3.3 Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)
    0.3 Early_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)

    I suppose that Anglo-Saxon really is Frankish (or broadly West Germanic), as there there are no Frankish samples in the list (unable to convert the genomes of the Merovingian Nobles at the moment).


    I see that most Italians are getting a combination of Italo-Celtic (Bell Beaker, Gauls, Latins) and Greeks (Italian_Greeks, Minoans, Mycenaeans), with a higher ratio for the former in the north and the latter in the south. That makes complete sense.

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    With the updated coordinates...

    DISTANCE

    Myself - FTDNA data
    RegioX_FTDNA,6.85,0,0.83,0,37.94,27.68,0,0,5.67,0, 21.03 ,0

    Distance to: RegioX_FTDNA
    6.42409527 Villanovans_(n=2)
    8.80230652 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    9.62271272 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    10.63916350 Etruscans_(n=3)
    11.61560588 Latins_(n=4)
    13.50716477 Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    14.03574722 Scythians_(n=19)
    14.11527187 Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    16.24135154 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    16.43112899 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
    17.38017549 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    17.87650413 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    18.32570599 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    18.42020358 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    21.73982981 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    21.79638273 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    22.47800703 Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)
    23.11561810 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    23.92207976 Lombards_(n=28)
    24.42059582 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    25.22138973 MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    26.51740183 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    26.62978595 Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    27.38026114 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    27.66156539 Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)

    Myself - 23andMe data
    RegioX_23andMe,6.89,0,0.86,0,37.85,27.39,0,0,5.54, 0,21.47,0

    Distance to: RegioX_23andMe
    6.22470883 Villanovans_(n=2)
    9.11961622 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    9.78285234 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    10.53243562 Etruscans_(n=3)
    11.67042844 Latins_(n=4)
    13.95331143 Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    14.07929686 Scythians_(n=19)
    14.61727403 Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    16.64243672 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    16.91449083 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
    17.68556191 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    17.85711623 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    18.36629794 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    18.82322236 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    22.12713493 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    22.16951962 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    22.74743502 Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)
    22.84309524 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    24.36635180 Lombards_(n=28)
    24.86221430 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    25.67240347 MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    26.07316628 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    26.17378268 Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    27.38892112 Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)
    27.82284134 EBA_Britain_(n=28)

    Father_23andMe,7.92,0,0.69,0,36.48,28.19,0.26,0,6. 36,0,20.09,0

    Distance to: Father_23andMe
    8.40281500 Villanovans_(n=2)
    9.32106754 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    9.94150391 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    11.90811908 Etruscans_(n=3)
    12.41622729 Scythians_(n=19)
    12.55194009 Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    13.44686581 Latins_(n=4)
    13.76427259 Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    16.12715722 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    16.21635286 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
    16.95590163 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    17.41228876 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    18.36066992 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    19.55837161 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    20.70152410 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    22.67563009 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    22.94693008 Lombards_(n=28)
    23.23493490 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    23.59541693 Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)
    24.17516908 MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    24.66152266 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    26.20056870 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    26.71881921 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    26.98413423 Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)
    27.75357635 Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)

    Mother_23andMe,5.03,0.21,1.33,0,37.33,29.53,0,0,5. 60,0,20.98,0

    Distance to: Mother_23andMe
    7.17294221 Villanovans_(n=2)
    9.05153578 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    10.14794068 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    11.54516782 Etruscans_(n=3)
    12.29913818 Latins_(n=4)
    12.78176044 Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    13.06104896 Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    13.68707785 Scythians_(n=19)
    15.00720494 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    15.74111495 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
    16.03008422 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    17.48319193 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    18.73195398 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    19.12609213 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    20.38481052 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    22.02663388 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    22.60199106 Lombards_(n=28)
    22.86896368 Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)
    23.18086711 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    24.28963565 MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    24.41180247 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    26.42138906 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    27.26097394 Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)
    27.53443844 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    27.82041337 Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)

    In-law_23andMe,5.74,0,0,0,34.02,30.41,0,0,5.61,0,24.2 2,0

    Distance to: In-law_23andMe
    10.22352190 Villanovans_(n=2)
    11.97073097 Scythians_(n=19)
    13.77077340 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    14.13531040 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    14.77458629 Etruscans_(n=3)
    14.99664296 Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    16.08778729 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    16.38211525 Latins_(n=4)
    16.41921740 Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    18.73325119 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    19.35441552 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
    20.12691978 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    21.08926030 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    21.54232578 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    22.51404006 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    23.91828798 Lombards_(n=28)
    24.46206246 Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    25.46325981 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    25.97365011 MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    26.38307791 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    26.79237391 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    27.32116213 Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    27.63339284 Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)
    27.79554461 EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    28.63105656 Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27)


    2WAY

    Distance to: RegioX_FTDNA
    1.76477421 40.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 60.00% Lombards_(n=28)
    1.91942497 53.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 46.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    1.92080720 72.80% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 27.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    1.95669985 66.60% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 33.40% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    2.08927486 41.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 58.60% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    2.09484698 48.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 51.40% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    2.17830772 10.40% Yamna_culture_(n=13) + 89.60% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.35967619 62.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 37.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    2.38527559 47.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 52.80% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.44245653 43.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 56.60% EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    2.48338875 56.00% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 44.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    2.48617348 48.60% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 51.40% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    2.50218025 45.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 54.20% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    2.59564125 50.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 49.20% EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    2.60894256 57.40% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 42.60% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    2.62669190 38.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 61.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    2.63128755 40.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 59.20% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.68068269 62.00% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 38.00% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.69125041 13.20% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=13) + 86.80% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.74165928 27.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 72.40% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    2.84181152 62.20% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 37.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    2.88074692 86.80% Villanovans_(n=2) + 13.20% Sarmatians_(n=5)
    2.90217342 59.40% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 40.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    2.92143959 13.20% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 86.80% Villanovans_(n=2)
    3.00239450 47.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 52.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)

    Distance to: RegioX_23andMe
    1.87478837 40.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 59.20% Lombards_(n=28)
    1.92615965 65.40% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 34.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    2.01654736 71.80% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 28.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    2.04437175 54.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 46.00% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    2.06485042 49.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 50.40% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    2.15734327 10.00% Yamna_culture_(n=13) + 90.00% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.23145199 42.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 58.00% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    2.32382805 48.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 51.80% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.36091185 61.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 38.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    2.41718045 47.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 52.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    2.51888004 44.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 56.00% EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    2.52357459 51.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 48.40% EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    2.56825341 55.20% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 44.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    2.77009360 87.20% Villanovans_(n=2) + 12.80% Sarmatians_(n=5)
    2.77118392 46.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 53.60% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    2.81352981 39.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    2.83945411 60.80% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 39.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.87479753 57.80% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 42.20% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    2.88686249 12.60% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=13) + 87.40% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.89764663 41.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 58.60% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.90382160 54.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 45.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    2.94881268 28.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 71.40% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    3.06551961 58.40% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 41.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    3.10972543 12.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 87.60% Villanovans_(n=2)
    3.13629731 47.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 52.20% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)

    Distance to: Father_23andMe
    1.72649841 57.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 42.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    1.78708237 55.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 44.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    1.82450264 41.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 58.40% EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    2.05153988 50.80% Bell_Beaker_Britain_(n=27) + 49.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    2.23102618 45.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 54.80% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)
    2.28546297 48.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 51.40% EBA_Britain_(n=28)
    2.39799615 39.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 60.40% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    2.44046281 55.00% Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19) + 45.00% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    2.47468432 75.00% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 25.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    2.52484592 46.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 53.40% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    2.54468752 38.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 61.80% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.56275257 69.20% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 30.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    2.57389843 66.20% Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 33.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.62301259 62.40% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31) + 37.60% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.64051166 48.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 51.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    2.64062310 64.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 35.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    2.68761391 51.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 48.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    2.79892191 13.60% Yamna_culture_(n=13) + 86.40% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.95151179 51.20% Early_Neolithic_LBK_culture_(n=17) + 48.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    3.05359001 68.60% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 31.40% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    3.05786956 44.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 55.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    3.06265664 45.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 54.80% Lombards_(n=28)
    3.11650687 59.80% Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15) + 40.20% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    3.12649175 55.80% Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9) + 44.20% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    3.24005822 52.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 47.60% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)

    Distance to: Mother_23andMe
    1.39600338 37.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 62.20% Lombards_(n=28)
    1.55221993 44.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 55.20% Lombards_(n=28)
    1.77175302 53.40% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 46.60% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)
    1.86204731 64.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 35.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    1.91902015 15.80% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22) + 84.20% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.02213740 45.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 54.40% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    2.24381867 57.80% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 42.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    2.25423016 36.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 64.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    2.35887454 47.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 52.20% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    2.38040024 15.40% LBA_Srubna_culture_(n=13) + 84.60% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.40159886 9.60% Mesolithic_East_Europeans_(EHG)_(n=10) + 90.40% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.40715501 45.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 55.00% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    2.40761504 11.60% Yamna_culture_(n=13) + 88.40% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.45083776 38.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 61.60% Lombards_(n=28)
    2.58952160 46.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 53.80% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)
    2.67777733 9.60% Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12) + 90.40% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.69794646 70.40% Villanovans_(n=2) + 29.60% Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    2.71387511 51.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 48.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    2.73657825 43.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 56.60% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    2.80771848 10.20% Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31) + 89.80% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.81383205 44.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 55.80% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    2.90073528 68.20% Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 31.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.91154865 52.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 47.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    2.93405952 38.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 62.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    2.97710972 17.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18) + 82.20% Villanovans_(n=2)

    Distance to: In-law_23andMe
    3.48381933 53.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 46.80% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    3.86741925 45.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 54.40% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    4.14465305 51.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 48.20% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    4.46873341 57.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 43.00% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    4.48384755 44.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 55.80% Swedish_Vikings_(n=23)
    4.56370294 56.20% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 43.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    4.77319602 43.00% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 57.00% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    4.80578158 46.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 53.40% Lombards_(n=28)
    4.86837846 49.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 50.20% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    4.90286085 49.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 50.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    5.01322643 48.40% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 51.60% Lombards_(n=28)
    5.01595775 63.40% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 36.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    5.04874582 34.80% Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43) + 65.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    5.05682283 51.60% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 48.40% Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    5.15892823 47.00% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 53.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    5.18693720 15.00% Yamna_culture_(n=13) + 85.00% Villanovans_(n=2)
    5.23412506 54.40% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24) + 45.60% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    5.31644239 36.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 63.80% Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    5.35483686 38.00% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=19) + 62.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    5.36451489 29.40% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 70.60% Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    5.44118241 39.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 61.00% Lombards_(n=28)
    5.65245397 64.20% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 35.80% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    5.75809757 45.80% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 54.20% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    5.78655140 47.00% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 53.00% Suebi_Alemmani_(n=20)
    5.86256712 61.80% Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 38.20% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


    In-law getting substantially higher distances, curiously.

    ED.: the results of SINGLE change in each run.

  22. #22
    Regular Member Stuvanè's Avatar
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    Italian
    Country: Italy



    3 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Stuvane, what do you get for all over distance?
    @Angela

    here they are

    Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    9.05316519 Villanovans_(n=2)
    11.05727815 Etruscans_(n=3)
    12.65941547 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    14.29163392 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    14.45562174 Scythians_(n=19)
    16.57576846 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    16.98754544 Latins_(n=4)
    19.17563558 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    20.27443217 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    20.44652782 Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    21.15670816 Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    21.25037647 Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    21.28523432 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    21.77716465 Ostrogoths_(n=3)
    23.19574746 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    23.99194865 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
    24.81086859 Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)
    25.13596427 Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
    25.82459293 Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)
    27.62877486 Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    27.69661351 Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)
    28.44173518 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    28.49761043 Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)
    29.86476017 Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)
    30.03688233 Lombards_(n=28)


    And the other combos

    Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    Distance: 2.4947% / 2.49467477 | R2P
    52.6 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    47.4 Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)


    Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    Distance: 3.3785% / 3.37847230 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    50.7 Villanovans_(n=2)
    25.6 Scythians_(n=19)
    23.7 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


    Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    Distance: 1.4608% / 1.46080883 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    54.7 Villanovans_(n=2)
    32.2 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    9.0 Neolithic_Ukraine_(n=12)
    4.1 Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Levant_(n=15)



    Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    Distance: 0.6031% / 0.60312611
    29.9 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    24.0 Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    12.4 Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)
    11.1 Mesolithic_Balkans_HG_(n=43)
    10.1 Corded_Ware_culture_(n=22)
    8.3 Lombards_(n=28)
    3.7 Mesolithic_Baltic_Scandinavia_(SHG)_(n=31)
    0.5 Unetice_culture_(n=18)

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    I don't see any change using the revised list.

    Distance to: Angela
    6.58167152 Villanovans_(n=2)
    7.96705717 Etruscans_(n=3)
    11.89617165 Latins_(n=4)
    13.13808205 Roman_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
    13.49591049 Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
    13.54544942 Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
    14.35290215 Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
    16.75045373 Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    17.63364682 Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
    18.23290981 Chalcolithic_Balkans_(n=9)
    18.34038713 Early_Neolithic_Balkans_(n=19)
    20.64124996 Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    21.32677660 Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15)
    21.72445626 Scythians_(n=19)
    23.32025086 LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    23.48813956 Early_Neolithic_LBK_culture_(n=17)
    23.68992824 Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    23.92374344 Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    24.12355281 Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=44)
    24.50708673 Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)
    25.08354640 Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
    25.28784491 Neolithic_Italy_(n=17)
    25.38777265 Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
    25.73152735 Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    26.22789927 Early_Neolithic_France_(n=4)

    Distance to: Angela
    1.92071940 63.60% Latins_(n=4) + 36.40% Iron_Age_Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
    2.37200753 60.40% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 39.60% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
    2.53019522 26.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 73.20% Villanovans_(n=2)
    2.73060830 19.00% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 81.00% Villanovans_(n=2)
    3.07680600 58.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 41.20% Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    3.15678046 19.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 80.80% Villanovans_(n=2)
    3.32187667 21.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 78.80% Villanovans_(n=2)
    3.42006999 58.40% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 41.60% LBA_Hungary_(n=6)
    3.46079896 49.60% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 50.40% Bronze_Age_Gaul_(n=31)
    3.63264342 47.80% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 52.20% Iron_Age_Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
    3.69109049 60.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 39.60% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)
    3.73183551 53.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 47.00% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    3.75067389 36.60% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 63.40% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    3.75391058 51.80% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 48.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10)
    3.76884374 49.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 50.60% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23)
    3.82840221 40.80% Bell_Beaker_Poland_Czechia_Hungary_(n=23) + 59.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4)
    3.86059777 62.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 38.00% Lombards_(n=28)
    3.93832949 58.20% Minoan_Greeks_(n=10) + 41.80% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    3.94714773 71.20% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 28.80% Anglo-Saxons_(n=2)
    3.96712040 68.60% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 31.40% MBA_Britain_(n=22)
    3.98161434 66.80% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 33.20% Unetice_culture_(n=18)
    3.99801750 40.80% Mycenaean_Greeks_(n=4) + 59.20% Latins_(n=4)
    4.06184353 66.40% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=15) + 33.60% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7)
    4.09084128 58.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 41.40% Lombards_(n=28)
    4.16638982 57.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 43.00% Bell_Beaker_Germany_(n=24)

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