Eupedia Ancient Ethnicities Checker: reliably compare your DNA to ancient populations

Playing with admixtures distances (>1 and <5)


Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.4830% / 1.48299702

52.0CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
19.7Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)
10.0Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
9.5Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
7.0Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
1.8Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)


Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.6138% / 1.61382644 | R7P

35.2CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
18.9Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)
15.8Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
12.6Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
11.2Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
6.3Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)


Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.6151% / 1.61511000 | R6P

33.8CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
18.8Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)
17.0Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
13.0Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
11.2Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
6.2Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)





Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.7724% / 1.77242631 | R5P

46.9Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
21.9Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
16.6Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)
10.7Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
3.9Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)


Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.7965% / 1.79650761 | R4P | ADC: 0.25x RC

56.9CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
21.2Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)
13.0Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
8.9Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)



Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.0215% / 2.02148464 | R7P | ADC: 0.25x RC

31.1CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
28.1Latins_(n=4)
15.5Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
13.2Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)
6.3Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)
5.8Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)


Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.5614% / 2.56136519 | R4P | ADC: 0.25x RC

44.6Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
32.6MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)
13.7Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)
9.1Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)


Target: Duarte
Distance: 2.6422% / 2.64221838 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC

44.8Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
29.7Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
16.6Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
5.1Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)
3.8Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)


Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.1782% / 3.17820510 | R7P | ADC: 0.5x RC

43.9Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
23.8Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)
16.9Latins_(n=4)
15.4Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4)

Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.2011% / 3.20109738 | R5P | ADC: 0.5x RC

41.3Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
40.9Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
9.8Latins_(n=4)
8.0Iron_Age_Kangju_(n=4)

Target: Duarte
Distance: 3.2610% / 3.26098011 | R3P

45.8Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
38.5Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
15.7Bell_Beaker_Iberia_(n=11)

Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.1420% / 4.14199492 | ADC: 0.5x RC

44.9Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
29.2Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
25.9Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)


Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.3416% / 4.34164051 | R6P | ADC: 0.25x RC

45.3MN_Westphalia_(Megalithic_Wartberg)_(n=6)
27.1CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
18.1Epipaleolithic_M****ithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
9.5Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)


Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.6642% / 4.66417136 | R2P

52.4Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
47.6Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)


Target: Duarte
Distance: 4.8532% / 4.85323448 | R2P | ADC: 0.5x RC

50.9Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
49.1Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)


 
I have just added 12 Norwegian Viking samples (I updated this post with individual samples). They are also ethnically mixed, like the other Vikings so far. Overall these 12 samples have an average closer to modern Swedes.
 
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One of the only times I get better results in single mode than multi or two way.
 
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Ill compare these calculator with the Vahaduo's K12b Ancient Database in the following post.
 
Vahaduo K12b Ancient:

LOL



Target: Archetype0ne
Distance: 0.0719% / 0.07192577

5.0RISE568¬_Brandysek_Czech_Republic
4.9R71_Imperial_Era_ANAS
4.7I9127_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
4.6I0073_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
4.2scy305_Scythian
4.1I9006_Bronze_Age_Mycenaean_Agia_Kyriaki_Salamis
4.0RISE145_Polwica_Poland_3677_years
3.4I10854_NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE
3.4RISE412_Noratus_Armenia_2885_years
3.0R78_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis
2.6I3716_Ukraine_Neolithic
2.6RISE435_Tiefbrunn_Germany_4094_years
2.5I4112_Ukraine_Neolithic
2.4ANI152_Varna
2.4Bockstein_Mesolithic_Germany
2.4R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis
2.3I4930_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Sicily
2.1I0074_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
1.8Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge
1.8RISE42_Marbjerg_Denmark_3681_years
1.8RISE483_Erd_4_Hungary
1.7I8208_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
1.5Bavaria_BB_II5524
1.4R39_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
1.2I4081_Iron_Gates_HG
1.2R128_Imperial_Era_Casale_del_Dolce
1.1I7796_Sicily_EBA_Contrada_Paolina_Castellucciana
1.1R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica
1.1RISE595_Velika_Gruda_Montenegro
1.0I11442_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II
1.0RISE431_Leki_Male_Poland_3762_years
0.9I8212_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1_atypical
0.9MX310_Switzerland_LN
0.9Szolad19
0.8I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
0.8I9129_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Moni_Odigitria_Heraklion_Crete
0.8R1551_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
0.8RISE397_Kapan_Armenia_2807_years
0.7R43_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
0.7R44_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis
0.6I0174_BAM25_Starcevo_EN_Alsónyék-Bátaszék_Mérnöki_telep_Hungary_5710-5530_calBCE
0.6I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge
0.6RISE373_Szoreg-C_Sziv_Utca_Hungary_3476_years
0.6RISE598_Turlojiske_Lithuania_2590_years
0.5ASH2-3_Iron_Age1
0.5Collegno31
0.5I2318_Peloponnese_Neolithic
0.5RISE247_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3372_years
0.5RISE47_Sebber_skole_Denmark_3153_years
0.5Szolad18
0.4CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3243
0.4I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge
0.4I5402_Iron_Gates_HG
0.4R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata
0.4RISE1_Oblaczkowo_Poland_4117_years
0.4RISE471_Untermeitingen_Germany
0.3I0070_Bronze_Age_Minoan_Hagios_Charalambos_Cave_Lasithi_Crete
0.3I2425_Balkans_Chalcolithic
0.3I3878_Sicily_LBA_Marcita
0.3I6491_NE_Iberia_RomP
0.3R115_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
0.3R69_Imperial_Era_ANAS
0.3R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
0.3RISE567_Knezeves_Czech_Republic
0.2ASH033_Late_Bronze_Age
0.2Collegno102
0.2France_IA_COL153A
0.2France_IA_NOR3-15
0.2I0012_Molta2_Motala_HG_Molata_Sweden_5898-5531_calBCE
0.2I0176_SZEH4_LBKT_EN_Szemely-Hegyes_Hungary_5210-4940_calBCE
0.2I0706_Balkans_Neolithic
0.2I12650_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
0.2I1727_AG_83_3082_Early_MPPNB
0.2I2181_Balkans_Chalcolithic_outlier
0.2I3498_Balkans_Neolithic
0.2I3708_Peloponnese_Neolithic
0.2MX254_Switzerland_LN
0.2RISE479_Erd_4_Hungary_~2000_years
0.1BronzeAgeNorthernSpain_I2472
0.1France_IA_PECH5
0.1I0633_Balkans_Neolithic
0.1I0679_Krepost_Neolithic
0.1I1298_Balkans_Neolithic
0.1I2431_Balkans_Chalcolithic
0.1I3125_Sicily_MBA_Buffa_Cave_II
0.1I4089_Balkans_Chalcolithic
0.1I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete
0.1R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
0.1R19_Neolithic_Ripabianca_di_Monterado
0.1RISE21_Karlstrup_Denmark_3092_years
0.1RISE569_Brandysek_Czech_Republic_~2000_years
0.1scy300_Scythian


Had to change Cycles, ADC to make this more digestable.
Target: Archetype0ne
Distance: 1.5838% / 1.58378609 | ADC: 0.25x RC

32.3Szolad37
18.3I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge
16.0Szolad20
14.4scy197_Scythian
10.7I8205_NE_Iberia_Hel_Empuries2
6.6MX265_Switzerland_LN
1.7scy305_Scythian


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Individual VKK
Distance to:Duarte
11.34021164VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)
11.77031860VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)
16.66366106VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like)
16.84747162VK84_Denmark_(North_French-like)
16.99850876VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like)
17.71131842VK261_UK_Dorset_(French-like)
17.92253051VK150_UK_Oxford_(Belgian-like)
19.66530956VK138_Denmark_(Belgian-like)
20.21818736VK280_Denmark_(Belgian-like)
20.41495040VK276_Denmark_(Belgian-like)
21.32140708VK278_Denmark_(Bavarian-like)
21.41239828VK92_Denmark_(NW_French-like)
21.50960948VK177_UK_Oxford_(NW_French-like)
23.09795229VK178_UK_Oxford_(Dutch-like)
23.17185362VK114_Norway_(Dutch-like)
23.21924202VK173_UK_Oxford_(Scottish-like)
23.29828749VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like)
23.62943503VK113_Norway_(English-like)
23.71635301VK22_Russia_(Dutch-like)
24.26826941VK94_Denmark_(Irish-like)
24.54090870VK260_UK_Dorset_(Irish-like)
25.51463502VK525_Norway_(Irish-like)
25.59980078VK254_Russia_(Hungarian-like)
25.63136555VK285_Denmark_(NW_German-like)
26.30090303VK257_UK_Dorset_(Irish-like)

Individual VKK + data post #2
Distance to:Duarte
6.17150711Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
6.71266713Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
10.86048341Etruscans_(n=3)
11.27186764Latins_(n=4)
11.34021164VK90_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)
11.77031860VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)
12.12435978Villanovans_(n=2)
13.33091895Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
14.03098001Bronze_Age_Illyrians
14.05696980Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
14.52055095Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
14.84792915Early_Bronze_Age_Iberia_(n=7)
15.048843816th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
15.13849068Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
15.21667178Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
15.30209790Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
15.31625933Iron_Age_Iberia_(n=22)
16.25126149Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Spain_(n=38)
16.54298643Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)
16.66366106VK146_UK_Oxford_(NE_Italian-like)
16.76632041Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
16.84747162VK84_Denmark_(North_French-like)
16.99850876VK211_Poland_(Bavarian-like)
17.46561765Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)
17.48110694Middle_Bronze_Age_Portugal_(n=4)

Mixed (individual VKK + data post #2)
Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.4889% / 1.48887500
50.4CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
18.3Neolithic_Latvia_(n=4)
10.8Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
9.5Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
6.9Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
2.7VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like)
1.4Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Iran_(n=6)

Target: Duarte
Distance: 1.9847% / 1.98472593 | R5P | ADC: 0.25x RC

36.5VK286_Denmark_(NW_Italian-like)
28.1Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
18.5CA_Remedello_culture_(n=3)
12.1VK262_UK_Dorset_(North_English-like)
4.8Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
 
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I ran the C6 cohort from the Antonio et al. 2019 paper against the Eupedia Ancient Ethnicity Checker:

Distance to:C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R973_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
2.61600841Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
4.704178996th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
6.30261057Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
6.68716681Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
7.20353385Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


Distance to:C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R970_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
5.57357157Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
5.849222176th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
5.86388949Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
5.88190445Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
8.88704113Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R969_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
3.80529894Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
4.22886510Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
4.85081436Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
4.954321356th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
6.44554109Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R65_Villa_Magna
3.44583807Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
5.08265679Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
6.996170386th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
7.15323004Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
9.20751324Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R64_Villa_Magna
4.66380746Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
5.669312136th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
6.56278142Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
8.02063589Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
8.95030167Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


Distance to:C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R60_Villa_Magna
2.65045279Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
5.53810437Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
5.786484256th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
5.86209860Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
8.49679351Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R59_Villa_Magna
5.36142705Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
6.37707613Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
6.926146116th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
7.18032033Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
8.28886603Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


Distance to:C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R58_Villa_Magna
5.47464154Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
5.97795115Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
8.026362816th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
8.71297882Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
9.12259831Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)


Distance to:C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R57_Villa_Magna
4.33122385Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
5.28406094Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
6.232471426th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
7.09248898Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
8.54275717Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


Distance to:C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R56_Villa_Magna
3.43877885Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
5.065115996th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
5.42444467Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
7.46507870Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
8.03433258Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R54_Villa_Magna
3.42504015Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
4.663335726th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
6.13098687Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
7.06942006Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
7.43289311Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


Distance to:C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R53_Villa_Magna
2.98610114Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
5.96599531Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
6.77462914Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
8.324073526th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
10.26876331Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R52_Villa_Magna
3.89666524Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
4.970995886th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
5.81291665Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
8.08876381Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
8.21042630Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1290_Villa_Magna
2.93139898Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
5.142091016th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
6.20004032Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
6.38917835Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
7.59439925Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Distance to:C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1287_Cancelleria
3.77262508Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
5.12042967Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
8.47535250Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
8.737722826th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
9.26634772Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


Distance to:C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1285_Cancelleria
4.26171327Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
6.23410780Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
9.13794835Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
9.539229536th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
9.59946353Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)


Distance to:C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1283_Cancelleria
2.85338396Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
3.41041053Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
6.41774883Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
6.98561379Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
7.140959326th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


Distance to:C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R36_Celio
3.00244900Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
3.86877242Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
4.92868137Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
6.04142367Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
7.353794946th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


Distance to:C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R35_Celio
5.33175393Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
5.46040292Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
5.935115846th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
7.61207593Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
8.16885549Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


Distance to:C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R121_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
3.42668936Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
4.13474304Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
4.32866030Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
4.599162976th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
7.18370378Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R120_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
2.63964013Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
2.64575131Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
6.57918688Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
6.65265361Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
6.759349086th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


Distance to:C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R118_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
4.59311441Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
6.02151974Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
6.11260992Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
6.199846776th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
8.73195282Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R117_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
4.50196624Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
5.402434646th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
6.94146238Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
8.58108967Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
9.59722877Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R107_Crypta_Balbi
6.08292693Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
6.58274259Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
6.98462597Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
7.267461736th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
8.19426019Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_Tribe)_Palestrina_Selicata
5.31416974Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
6.72588284EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
6.909587546th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
7.04519695Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
8.27300429Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)


Distance to:C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R836_Civitanova_Marche
2.14727735Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
5.072750736th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
6.61933531Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
7.78833102Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
7.99144543Italian_Greeks_(n=2)


Distance to:C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R835_Civitanova_Marche
2.67884303Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
3.040328936th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
3.92655065Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
5.01279363Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
7.32022541Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R51_Centocelle_Necropolis
3.59934716Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
3.77650632Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
10.53298628Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
11.11080105EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
11.87786176Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2)


Distance to:C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R49_Centocelle_Necropolis
3.57442303Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
5.35588461Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
5.836480106th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
8.38284558Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
8.43298286Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R47_Centocelle_Necropolis
5.79032814Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
5.885618066th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
7.44457521Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
8.83147213Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
9.46944560Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R436_Palestrina
4.34047232Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
6.34744831Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
6.57445055Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
7.903322096th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
10.23175449Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R1549_Monterotondo
5.50899265Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
7.11763303Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
7.932937676th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
8.49173127Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
8.81342726Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)


Distance to:C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R1544_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese
4.86201604Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
6.22086811Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
7.07886290Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
7.644409726th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
9.43550211Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R137_Marcellino_&_Pietro
3.78828457Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
4.91094696Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
8.82375770Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
9.96097385EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
10.217382256th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


Distance to:C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R136_Marcellino_&_Pietro
3.63997253Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
6.24226722Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
6.58507403Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
7.729980606th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
9.63470290Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R131_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
3.60251301Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
5.611069426th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
6.91682731Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
7.51154445Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
8.64459369EMBA_Greece_(n=6)


Distance to:C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R125_Casale_del_Dolce
4.12417264Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
5.29698971Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
9.52042016Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
10.12414441EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
11.156872326th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


Distance to:C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R113_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
4.62101720Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
5.755988196th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
6.25346304Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
8.63121660Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
9.50438320Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)


Distance to:C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R111_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis
3.94391937Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
4.63322782Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
7.72665516Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
8.05250272Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
8.241953656th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)


Distance to:Jovialis
2.67342477Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
4.137148786th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
4.96643735Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
5.23919841Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
8.54637350Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)

 
I have just added 12 Norwegian Viking samples (I updated this post with individual samples). They are also ethnically mixed, like the other Vikings so far. Overall these 12 samples have an average closer to modern Swedes.


Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 1.0953% / 1.09528753 | ADC: 0.25x RC
31.6Bronze_Age_Illyrians
27.4Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
22.7Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
16.96th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
1.4Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)



Distance to:Torziok12b
0.9623557230.80% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 69.20% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
1.2827507826.00% Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24) + 74.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
1.3200949767.80% Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13) + 32.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
1.3227148238.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 61.40% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
1.3675805630.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 69.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
1.4120478944.60% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 55.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
1.4205777130.40% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 69.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
1.4264451864.20% Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7) + 35.80% Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
1.4397042447.00% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 53.00% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)
1.4746989423.60% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 76.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
1.6132949266.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 33.60% Roman_Britain_(n=8)
1.6233955114.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 85.40% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
1.6369641654.20% Bronze_Age_Illyrians + 45.80% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
1.6467907154.40% Bell_Beaker_Netherlands_(n=7) + 45.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
1.6521910332.00% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Britain_(n=24) + 68.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
1.6545290721.20% Iron_Age_Britons_(n=4) + 78.80% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
1.6852984651.80% EMBA_Greece_(n=6) + 48.20% Anglo-Saxons_(n=4)
1.6988700751.00% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 49.00% MBA_Sintashta_culture_(n=4)
1.7026043044.80% Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6) + 55.20% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
1.7172307723.60% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 76.40% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
1.7269323624.00% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 76.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
1.7302234453.00% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) + 47.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
1.7335458339.20% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 60.80% Chernyakhiv_culture_Goths_(n=3)
1.7587754814.20% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 85.80% 6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
1.7726042347.60% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 52.40% Battle-Axe_culture_(n=3)
 
Distance to:Torzio12b
3.13482057Bronze_Age_Illyrians
5.83890401Villanovans_(n=2)
6.10347442Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
8.33524445Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
10.23312269Etruscans_(n=3)
11.21687122Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
12.049863076th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
12.34738029Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
12.73217185Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
13.23675564Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
13.30812909Latins_(n=4)
14.99738977Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
15.43010693Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
15.548324676th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
17.71318718Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture_(n=4)
18.62196821Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
19.03681433Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
19.17109804Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
19.81995711Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)
20.08211891Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
20.10456167Western_Scythians_(n=28)
20.50580406Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
21.16651837Ostrogoths_(n=3)
21.37520760EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
22.20247509Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
 
my father results

Distance to:Ponsan_K12b
6.018704186th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
6.39941404Bronze_Age_Illyrians
7.90473276Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
8.28037439Villanovans_(n=2)
8.70974741Bell_Beaker_Hungary_(n=6)
9.03701278Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
9.62883170Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
11.64315249Etruscans_(n=3)
12.76489326Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
13.19541208Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
13.63991202Middle_Bronze_Age_North_Alps_(n=7)
13.67783974Latins_(n=4)
13.85478618Bell_Beaker_Poland_(n=6)
15.01443972Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
15.70286280Ostrogoths_(n=3)
16.13783753Western_Scythians_(n=28)
16.36747690Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
17.01621873Bell_Beaker_Bavaria/Saxony_(n=20)
17.13053122Early_Bronze_Age_Swabia_(n=24)
17.27221758Bell_Beaker_Gaul_(n=13)
17.73917416Early_Bronze_Age_Southern_France_(n=5)
18.09489707Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
18.66592082Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
18.77717764Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26)
18.83326313Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)





Target: Ponsan_K12b
Distance: 0.8817% / 0.88170498 | ADC: 0.25x RC
31.9Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
26.6Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12)
23.86th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_&_Lombards)_(n=24)
11.3Bronze_Age_Illyrians
6.1Chalcolithic_Israel
0.3Medieval_Catalonia_Valencia_(n=9)
 
Distance to:Ponsan_K12b
1.0038994528.60% Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14) + 71.40% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
1.4518776745.40% Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3) + 54.60% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)
1.4575149536.80% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1) + 63.20% Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
1.4887239329.40% Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hungary_(n=12) + 70.60% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
1.4916007318.80% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1) + 81.20% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
1.5393091430.80% Chalcolithic_Romania_(n=1) + 69.20% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
1.6068732429.20% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 70.80% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
1.6272651036.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 63.60% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
1.6386804237.60% Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46) + 62.40% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
1.7109135321.40% Chalcolithic_Anatolia_(n=35) + 78.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
1.7492361364.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 36.00% Lombards_(n=28)
1.7862026637.00% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16) + 63.00% Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
1.7926075336.00% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7) + 64.00% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15)
1.8068322332.00% Iron_Age_Denmark_(n=10) + 68.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
1.8561482341.00% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 59.00% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2)
1.8882246620.40% Early_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=4) + 79.60% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
1.8955616940.40% Bronze_Age_Germany_(n=26) + 59.60% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
1.8963689962.80% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 37.20% Danish_Vikings_(n=21)
1.9257781832.60% Italian_Greeks_(n=2) + 67.40% Gauls_Belgae_(n=16)
1.9433861144.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 55.40% EBA_Unetice_culture_(n=18)
1.9777075844.20% Hallstatt_Celts_(n=2) + 55.80% Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
1.9964769866.00% Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5) + 34.00% Vikings_from_England_(n=28)
2.0121323838.20% Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7) + 61.80% Lombards_(n=28)
2.0247755264.60% Bell_Beaker_Czechia_(n=15) + 35.40% Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
2.0278826337.60% Minoan_Greece_(n=10) + 62.40% Lombards_(n=28)
 
This sample is also extremely close to Imperial-Age_Marche_(n=2).

As well as pretty close to the Iron Age R437:

Distance to:C6_Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_Tribe_o)_Palestrina_Selicata
5.31416974Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
6.72588284EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
6.909587546th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
7.04519695Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
8.27300429Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
8.83409871Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
10.38617832Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
10.40333120Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
10.92016026Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
15.54221992Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
16.33827714Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7)
16.75771763Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
17.52457132Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
17.57787530Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)
18.16961750Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)
18.19599956Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
18.28769805Bronze_Age_Illyrians
18.51004592Etruscans_(n=3)
18.79689868Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)
19.54934782Villanovans_(n=2)
20.24499444Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=8)
20.83053768Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
21.05738825Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2)
21.74766884LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)
22.59695776Chalcolithic_North_Levant_(n=6)

These samples exist within the light-blue cohort labeled C6.

Rather than attributing it totally to Greeks, could it be possible that this is indicative of a native pre-Italic ancestry?

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Could Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) be a proxy for native pre-Italic Ancestry? Or perhaps Italic tribes who are more well mixed with these pre-Italics?
 
Could Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2) be a proxy for native pre-Italic Ancestry? Or perhaps Italic tribes who are more well mixed with these pre-Italics?


The R1 Proto-VIllanovan is a Proto-Italic, a Proto-Picene most likely, a Osco-Umbrian speaker.
 
The R1 Proto-VIllanovan is a Proto-Italic, a Proto-Picene most likely, a Osco-Umbrian speaker.

A Liburnian woman......maybe a slave............in Picene lands , Liburnian colony from 1000Bc for a few hundred years ....most probably born in Liburnia


R1 sample ( female ) originates from Nis town in Liburnia


A Proto-Villanovan female from Martinsicuro in the Adriatic coast (ca. 890 BC), of mtDNA hg. U5a2b, is the earliest mainland sample available showing foreign ancestry:

Martinsicuro is a coastal site located on the border of Le Marche and Abruzzo on central Italy’s Adriatic coast. It is a proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river, dating to the late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age (…) finds from the site indicate an affinity with contemporaries in the Balkans, suggesting direct trade contacts and interaction across the Adriatic. In particular, the practice of decorating ceramics with bronze elements was shared between the Nin region in Croatia and Picene region of Italy, including Martinsicuro.​
The sample clusters very close to the Early Iron Age sample from Jazinka (ca. 780 BC), from the central Dalmatian onomastic region, on the east Adriatic coast opposite to Marche lands, possibly related to the south-east Dalmatian onomastic region to the south. However, there is no clear boundary between hydrotoponymic regions for the Bronze Age, and it is quite close to the (possibly Venetic-related) Liburnian onomastic region to the north, so the accounts of Martinsicuro belonging to the Liburni in proto-historical times can probably be extrapolated to the Final Bronze Age.


You need to stop trying to "marry" R1 with R1015



An Umbrian-Sabellic people born from the fusion of different elements, including the mysterious Liburnian people of the eastern shore of the Adriatic, the Picenians for a long time played a fundamental role in the development of the cultures of Central Italy, making themselves the intermediary between the Balkan and Aegean world for Italics and Etruscans, at the same time spreading valuable goods and the use of new weapons, such as the Xiphos and the Kopis. Among the first allies that Rome finds beyond the borders of Latium, the Picenians will be the same ones to start the Social War against the Romans with the massacre of Asculum, passionately claiming the right to Roman citizenship. ========================================= 16 - WHO WERE THE PICENIANS? =========================================
 
A Liburnian woman......maybe a slave............in Picene lands , Liburnian colony from 1000Bc for a few hundred years ....most probably born in Liburnia... R1 sample ( female ) originates from Nis town in Liburnia

Duh! Come on, now you want us to believe that you even figured out what her name was and what her favorite dish was. With this copy and paste what do you think you have proved? Relationships with the Liburnians are attested especially from the VIII century BC., R1 is at least two centuries earlier (930-839 BCE). Contacts between the two sides of the Adriatic are clearly even older.

Alessandro Naso, I Piceni. Storia e archeologia delle Marche in epoca preromana, Biblioteca di Archeologia 29, Milano 2000, p. 89.

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If instead of giving credit to all the nonsense you read on the internet, you had spent a little of your time to read the texts of archaeology, you would know that a connection between the Adriatic coast and the Balkans has been known for years! The earliest relations between the Adriatic and the Balkans do not refer to Iron Age ethnos in the strict sense. I realize that this is not an easy concept to understand for those who are completely unfamiliar with studies.

There were several migrations from the Balkans to Italy. As there were also in the context of the Urnfield culture (and the Protovillanovan is a facies related to the Urnfield culture), and that in the ethnogenesis of the Picenes are recognized three different cultural components at least is written anywhere "At the basis of its formation was recognized the competition of different cultures, the Apennine, Protovillanovan and trans-Adriatic populations." There is no need to call into question either slaves and much less the Liburnians in a strict sense, not least because we are still in the throes of prehistory (also known as protohistory), and neither the Liburnians nor the Piceni were yet fully formed.

https://www.treccani.it/enciclopedi...reromana-i-piceni_(Il-Mondo-dell'Archeologia)


You need to stop trying to "marry" R1 with R1015


Do I need what? Just saying, b
eing two women, it would be a case of same-sex marriage.

Perhaps you have not understood that Italian archaeologists have collaborated to the Stanford study who obviously know more than you, and they also know more than your amateur sources. If R1 has been labeled as Protovillanovaan there is a reason!

I'm the last one who wants to marry R1 with R105, since the latter is Villanovan, and as I have already said several times, the Protovillanovan is a "supranational" Bronze Age facies, while the Villanovan culture is an Iron Age facies exclusively Etruscan. They are called the same way because of nomeclature issues, because the Villanovan was first discovered at Villanova near Bologna around 1850, and almost 90 years later the Protovillanovan was discovered, initially thinking it was only related to the Villanovan. Later, it was realized that this was not the case, but the names were not changed.
 
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Duh! Come on, now you want us to believe that you even figured out what her name was and what her favorite dish was. With this copy and paste what do you think you have proved? Relationships with the Liburnians are attested especially from the VIII century BC., R1 is at least two centuries earlier (930-839 BCE). Contacts between the two sides of the Adriatic are clearly even older.

Alessandro Naso, I Piceni. Storia e archeologia delle Marche in epoca preromana, Biblioteca di Archeologia 29, Milano 2000, p. 89.

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If instead of giving credit to all the nonsense you read on the internet, you had spent a little of your time to read the texts of archaeology, you would know that a connection between the Adriatic coast and the Balkans has been known for years! The earliest relations between the Adriatic and the Balkans do not refer to Iron Age ethnos in the strict sense. I realize that this is not an easy concept to understand for those who are completely unfamiliar with studies.

There were several migrations from the Balkans to Italy. As there were also in the context of the Urnfield culture (and the Protovillanovan is a facies related to the Urnfield culture), and that in the ethnogenesis of the Picenes are recognized three different cultural components at least is written anywhere "At the basis of its formation was recognized the competition of different cultures, the Apennine, Protovillanovan and trans-Adriatic populations." There is no need to call into question either slaves and much less the Liburnians in a strict sense, not least because we are still in the throes of prehistory (also known as protohistory), and neither the Liburnians nor the Piceni were yet fully formed.

https://www.treccani.it/enciclopedi...reromana-i-piceni_(Il-Mondo-dell'Archeologia)




Do I need what? Just saying, b
eing two women, it would be a case of same-sex marriage.

Perhaps you have not understood that Italian archaeologists have collaborated to the Stanford study who obviously know more than you, and they also know more than your amateur sources. If R1 has been labeled as Protovillanovaan there is a reason!

I'm the last one who wants to marry R1 with R105, since the latter is Villanovan, and as I have already said several times, the Protovillanovan is a "supranational" Bronze Age facies, while the Villanovan culture is an Iron Age facies exclusively Etruscan. They are called the same way because of nomeclature issues, because the Villanovan was first discovered at Villanova near Bologna around 1850, and almost 90 years later the Protovillanovan was discovered, initially thinking it was only related to the Villanovan. Later, it was realized that this was not the case, but the names were not changed.


we had this conversation before and last time you threw in the Vianovan to deflect the discussion

Look at current italian scholars and not one from 21 years ago

Current scenario is the liburnians settled colonies in picene lands and corfu circa 1000 BC .................they lost Corfu to the Corinthian greeks in 730BC

Archaeological finds do not show the existence of significant social and state institutions in Liburnia, which would support a political infrastructure that would enable Adriatic-domination in the early and mid-Iron Ages. Neither is there more abundant material evidence which would show strong connections between Liburnia and the central Adriatic islands, or Corcyra and Epidamnus in the southern Adriatic. It is only established, with a reasonable quantity of material evidence, that Liburnia and Picenum on the Italian coast did have close and important Iron Age connections through the islands of the Kvarner gulf. [35]A joint cultural habitus known as the Eastern Adriatic cultural koine existed in the late Bronze Age, and remains visible in the early Iron Age material record, especially in typologies of objects such as fibulae, pottery or jewellery. This koine even included parts of the Italian coast, such as Picenum. However, the unity of the Adriatic koine was increasingly diversifying into distinctive regional types; although it was still visible in the seventh and sixth century archaeological record as far as the central and southern Dalmatian coast. 


You should check Liburnian thalassocracy

or maybe adriatic history in the early iron age was a myth

https://www.academia.edu/720252/Mythological_stories_concerning_Illyria_and_its_name
 
this site is stuffed ...............I cannot edit post .............crap for last 6 months

extent of the Liburnian dominance at a given time between 11th and 1st century BC. Domination of the Liburnian thalassocracy in the Adriatic Sea


even old wilkes had/states


The Liburni are placed by Hecataeus on the innermost part
of the Adriatic gulf. In the Periplus they dwell on the northeast
Adriatic between lllyrians and Istri, where much of the coast
is closed off from the interior by the Velcbit mountains and
screened by the islands of the Dalmatian archipelago. The
Liburnian name seems to have passed into general use from
the time when they dominated not only the entire Dalmatian



Suic 1955. Hecataeus, K'.rHist vol. i, p. 20, F93-6.



Neighbour* >•/ the Creek*



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coasi but even foi a time held Corcyra (Corfu) from which
the) were ejected by Corinthian settlers in the eighth century.
A Liburnian maritime supremacy, or thalassocracy, recalls a
historical tradition from a time when peoples were possibly
moving across the Adriatic from east to west, from Liburnia
into Picenum and from lllyria into Messapia and Japygia. The
garbled list of places on the Liburnian coast in the Periplus
has been reconstructed to name Tarsatica (Trsat near Rijeka),
Lopsica (Sv Juraj), Scnia (Senj) and Ortopula (Stinica), all in
the northern part of historical Liburnia. The difficulty here is
that this interpretation necessitates the identification of the
river Catarbates with the Zrmanja (the ancient Tedanius) north
ol Zadar, placing the southern limit of the Liburni farther to
the north than was ever later the case. Another, and more
plausible, reconstruction lists Apsyrtae, the modern islands Crcs
and Mali Losinj in the Kvarner, Alypsoi of the later Lopsica
among the northern Liburni, and some of the major settlements
on the plain behind Zadar, including Nedinum (Nadin),
Aenona (Nin) and Jader (Zadar). In that case the Catarbates,
literally the 'steeply-falling', is the Krka, which marked the
boundary between Liburnians and Dalmatians in Hellenistic
and Roman times. Finally, a long-standing association between
the head of the Adriatic and the amber trade explains the name
Elektrides (from elektroti, the Greek word for amber) for some
islands of the Kvarner gulf, including Crcs, Krk and Mali
Losinj. The Mentores named by Hecataeus and other writers
may denote other islands, such as Rab (ancient Arba) or Pag
(Gissa). The reference to the Istrian peninsula as an island of
around 40 by 15 miles is a not uncharacteristic error of the
Periplus. 11
 
we had this conversation before and last time you threw in the Vianovan to deflect the discussion

Look at current italian scholars and not one from 21 years ago

Current scenario is the liburnians settled colonies in picene lands and corfu circa 1000 BC .................they lost Corfu to the Corinthian greeks in 730BC

Archaeological finds do not show the existence of significant social and state institutions in Liburnia, which would support a political infrastructure that would enable Adriatic-domination in the early and mid-Iron Ages. Neither is there more abundant material evidence which would show strong connections between Liburnia and the central Adriatic islands, or Corcyra and Epidamnus in the southern Adriatic. It is only established, with a reasonable quantity of material evidence, that Liburnia and Picenum on the Italian coast did have close and important Iron Age connections through the islands of the Kvarner gulf. [35]A joint cultural habitus known as the Eastern Adriatic cultural koine existed in the late Bronze Age, and remains visible in the early Iron Age material record, especially in typologies of objects such as fibulae, pottery or jewellery. This koine even included parts of the Italian coast, such as Picenum. However, the unity of the Adriatic koine was increasingly diversifying into distinctive regional types; although it was still visible in the seventh and sixth century archaeological record as far as the central and southern Dalmatian coast. 


You should check Liburnian thalassocracy

or maybe adriatic history in the early iron age was a myth

https://www.academia.edu/720252/Mythological_stories_concerning_Illyria_and_its_name



Do you even read what you post? What would be the exact point in all your copy and paste where it's claimed that archaeology has found evidence that "the Liburnians settled colonies in Picene lands circa 1000 BC"?
 
R1 sample

Martinsicuro
Date range:
930 cal BCE -839 calBCEIndividuals: R1 Martinsicurois a coastal site located on the border of Le Marche and Abruzzo on central Italy’s Adriatic coast. It is a proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river, dating to the late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age(154). Excavations at the site have been limited, but during an excavation in preparation forroad construction, a single post-built structure was excavated which contained a rich archaeological deposit of ceramics (155). These finds from the site indicate an affinity with contemporaries in the Balkans, suggesting direct trade contacts and interaction across the Adriatic. In particular, the practice of decorating ceramics with bronze elements was shared between the Nin region in Croatia and Picene region of Italy, including Martinsicuro (156). These finds also show the conservation and preservation (e.g. as artifacts) of ceramics from the earlier Middle Bronze Age into the Late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age.


Martinsicuro (Latin: Castrum Truentinum)[3] is a town and comune in province of Teramo, Abruzzo, central Italy. It is located on the right of the mouth of Tronto River.
Remains of a Bronze Age (10th-9th centuries BC) settlement were found in the communal territory, on a hill overlooking the Tronto river. At the river's mouth existed Truentum, remembered by Roman writer Pliny the Elder as part of the Roman region of Picenum, and attributed to the Liburni tribe.



Liburnian onomastic region to the north, so the accounts of Martinsicuro belonging to the Liburni in proto-historical times can probably be extrapolated to the Final Bronze Age.
 

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