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    They never learn...just look at the proposed new "Math" curriculum in the California schools. It's beyond appalling. The teaching of this kind of curricula will turn us into a third world country in a generation.

    The following is an open letter to Governor and Board of Education. I hope it works and this is the beginning of a counter-attack against this madness.

    I described this movement as the U.S. version of Mao's Cultural Revolution, and I stick to that.

    "The Open Letter

    California is on the verge of politicizing K-12 math in a potentially disastrous way. Its proposed Mathematics Curriculum Framework is presented as a step toward social justice and racial equity, but its effect would be the opposite—to rob all Californians, especially the poorest and most vulnerable, who always suffer most when schools fail to teach their students. As textbooks and other teaching materials approved by the State would have to follow this framework and since teachers are expected to use it as a guide, its potential to steal a promising future from our children is enormous.
    The proposed framework would, in effect, de-mathematize math. For all the rhetoric in this framework about equity, social justice, environmental care and culturally appropriate pedagogy, there is no realistic hope for a more fair, just, equal and well-stewarded society if our schools uproot long-proven, reliable and highly effective math methods and instead try to build a mathless Brave New World on a foundation of unsound ideology. A real champion of equity and justice would want all California’s children to learn actual math—as in arithmetic, algebra, geometry, trigonometry and calculus—not an endless river of new pedagogical fads that effectively distort and displace actual math. The proposed framework:

    • Promotes fringe teaching methods such as “trauma-informed pedagogy.” [ch. 2, p. 16]
    • Distracts from actual mathematics by having teachers insert “environmental and social justice” into the math curriculum. [ch. 1, p. 35]
    • Distracts from actual mathematics by having teachers develop students’ “sociopolitical consciousness.” [ch. 2, p. 39]
    • Distracts from actual mathematics by assigning students—as schoolwork—tasks it says will solve “problems that result in social inequalities.” [ch. 7, p. 29]
    • Urges teachers to take a “justice-oriented perspective at any grade level, K–12” and explicitly rejects the idea that mathematics itself is a “neutral discipline.” [ch. 2, p. 29]
    • Encourages focusing on “contributions that historically marginalized people have made to mathematics” rather than on those contributions themselves which have been essential to the academic discipline of mathematics. [ch. 2, p. 31]
    • “Reject[s] ideas of natural gifts and talents” and discourages accelerating talented mathematics students. [ch. 1, p. 8]
    • Encourages keeping all students together in the same math program until the 11th grade and argues that offering differentiated programs causes student “fragility” and racial animosity. [ch.1, p. 15]
    • Rejects the longstanding goal of preparing students to take Algebra I in eighth grade, on par with high-performing foreign countries whose inhabitants will be future competitors of America's children—a goal explicitly part of the 1999 and 2006 Math Frameworks. [ch. 9, p. 43]

    We, the undersigned, disagree. Mathematics is a discipline whose language is universally accessible with good teaching. The claim that math is not accessible is an insult to the millennia of non-Western mathematicians and erases the contributions of cultures around the world to mathematics as we now know it. Large numbers of students in developing countries are currently succeeding in advanced mathematics, and American industries have been put in the position of having to encourage them to come to the United States to work.
    We believe infusing mathematics with political rhetoric is alien to mathematics as a discipline, and will do lasting damage—including making math dramatically harder for students whose first language is not English. We believe that all students without exception have natural gifts they can use to learn school mathematics, and therefore all students are harmed by refusing to recognize students’ giftedness. We thus find it immoral and foolish to intentionally hold back the intellectual growth of students by forcing them to waste time in unchallenging classes. Those who are ready to move up, should do so. They should not be held back for fear of recognizing the existence of differences in giftedness—differences which are a reality in every human endeavor.
    We believe that the modern world of science and technology—and of constitutional democracy, human rights and expanded opportunity for all—arose largely because societies learned to value inquiry that was disinterested (i.e., “objective” and “neutral”), rational and coherent. It arose by moving away from judging ideas on the basis of cultural origins and group identity in favor of judging them according to their real merit. We believe, therefore, that this proposed framework must be replaced with one that will truly serve equity and justice by living up to the very moral aspirations this framework rejects."


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    ^^This country is simply going to fail like the USSR. Because we care more about idiotic idealistic fantasy, than pragmatism.

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    Oh well, once the US fragments into smaller countries, (nothing lasts forever, in fact it could all fall apart rapidly) maybe my descendents can be the pioneers of a better and sane country.

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    Well, if there isn't a massive push back soon, I'm willing to move wherever sane people are going to gather.

    When a paleontologist goes on the record as saying that universities have the right to ban speakers who are against affirmative action because the whole idea of a meritocracy based on objective standards was created by "old white men", then the inmates have taken over the asylum.

    Not only is it going to have disastrous consequences for the country intellectually, economically and socially, but it's absolute ignorant bunk. As Razib Khan points out, these people have no knowledge of history outside of the very recent history of the west. It wasn't just the ancient Greeks who favored the pursuit of truth by open debate between two opposing viewpoints; you find it in India and China too. Plus, where does this supposedly educated woman get the idea that standardized merit testing was invented by "white" men? Has she ever heard of Confucius? For crying out loud, the U.S. got its idea for merit testing for civil service jobs from the Chinese.

    This is what comes of universities no longer emphasizing the study of history. It creates ignoramuses with university degrees, and a situation where people without a four year college degree have a better innate understanding of logic than the college educated, indoctrinated "useful" idiots who have been programmed out of having any logic whatsoever.

    And why, oh why, are so many of the worst offenders women? I'm so freaking glad I never "thought" like other women, even if I've lived as a traditional woman. There must be something wrong with the thought processes, some inclination to prevent any kind of "hurt feelings" in other people that logic, the logic that looks for the greater good of the MOST people, goes right out the window.

    Now I'm beyond depressed.

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    A university professor is publishing a book arguing that sexual attraction to young children is not abnormal.

    This is the type of absolute bilge to which college students are now subjected. Then, people wonder at the opinions of college educated people.

    You have to have a strong, logical mind, and strong doses of common sense to hold your own in debates with people like this, plus a good helping of courage, because if you're unlucky, not only are their opinions bogus, but they will punish you in grading if you disagree.

    I saw a twitter post asking if there was a book you regret reading when you were young, and should have been an adult only book. I couldn't think of one, and then someone mentioned Lolita. I wish I'd never read it period.

    I have no sympathy, none, zero, zilch, for anyone who would sexualize a child. I can't arrest someone for their thoughts, but anyone who thinks someone who finds children sexually attractive will never act on that attraction has never dealt with pedophiles.

    Oh, I also saw posts upset that people were stigmatizing one of the men shot during the Kenosha riots was a pedophile. Sorry, he stigmatized himself; the press for once was just accurately describing him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    A university professor is publishing a book arguing that sexual attraction to young children is not abnormal.

    This is the type of absolute bilge to which college students are now subjected. Then, people wonder at the opinions of college educated people.

    You have to have a strong, logical mind, and strong doses of common sense to hold your own in debates with people like this, plus a good helping of courage, because if you're unlucky, not only are their opinions bogus, but they will punish you in grading if you disagree.

    I saw a twitter post asking if there was a book you regret reading when you were young, and should have been an adult only book. I couldn't think of one, and then someone mentioned Lolita. I wish I'd never read it period.

    I have no sympathy, none, zero, zilch, for anyone who would sexualize a child. I can't arrest someone for their thoughts, but anyone who thinks someone who finds children sexually attractive will never act on that attraction has never dealt with pedophiles.


    Oh, I also saw posts upset that people were stigmatizing one of the men shot during the Kenosha riots was a pedophile. Sorry, he stigmatized himself; the press for once was just accurately describing him.
    Angela: your post illustrates the total agenda driven way the Corporate Media in the USA presents the news. While I don't want to get into a debate over the Catholic Priesthood being only for Men and in the Roman/Latin Rite the norm is celibacy, I am in my mid 50's and attended Catholic Schools and found 99% of the Priests I encountered to be good men. Of course, there is the sexual abuse crisis where some priests abused minors. I would contend it was due to who got admitted in Seminaries in the 50's to 70's and there were in many major US cities a cohort of effeminate men running who got in and who got kicked out but I digress. Regardless, in the context of the sexual abuse of minors in the Catholic Church, overwhelmingly post pubescent males but under the age of 18, the corporate establishment media (CNN, MSNBC, NYTIMES, WAPOST, ABC, NBC, CBS) used terms with pedophilia always attached. Now I am glad this stuff got exposed but my reasons are more that I am glad that many of the types of Men let in to Seminaries the "Kumbaya" era are no longer allowed, but again I digress.

    Here we are now with as you note one of the men killed in Kenosha, convicted of sexual relations with a minor, the media gets upset with him being described as such. Of course, you have this Professor at Old Dominion University in Virginia writing a book as you noted. This guy will not be condemned by the Corporate establishment media in the USA because many of them deep down agree with Him (In my opinion). There use of the the term pedophile relative to the Catholic sexual abuse scandal is and always was not about sexual relations between adults and minors, which I find abhorrent, but more to do with other issues that are rooted in Catholic Dogmatic Theology which the secular left wing Media in this country is against. In other words, it is a way for them to attack and criticize and ideological opponent particularly when John Paul II and Benedict were the Bishop of Rome (Pope) .

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    Of these top western countries the U.S. is the most ashamed. (i.e. most Woke nation)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post


    Of these top western countries the U.S. is the most ashamed. (i.e. most Woke nation)
    However, the question may be confusing to some.

    Are they ashamed of what it was, or what it has become?

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