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what are you talking about
I am only interested on when he released his 52 slaves as he could not release his wife 135 slaves .............hemmings is part of his wife slave group................I thought after her death ( martha ) he would have done something different........maybe he could not , maybe her will stated otherwise
There was an act in some year, where the will could be contested .....I cannot recall when that year was
We all come from places where discrimination / slavery was practiced at one time or another, … Focus your indignation on your place of origin.
I didn't want to go into the West-African slave traders in great detail.............where White trade bought black slaves from Black tribes from mostly the kingdoms of modern Nigeria and the Congo these black slaves where results of their ongoing tribal wars which began centuries before white men set foot in Africa.You didn't put it in context, … that’s the impression I got.
I didn't want to go into the West-African slave trade in great detail.............where White trade bought black slaves from Black tribes from mostly the kingdoms of modern Nigeria and the Congo these black slaves where results of their ongoing tribal wars which began centuries before white men set foot in Africa.
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Nigeria and the Congo supplied the most of the african slaves and it cost white slave traders a lot of money ................while places further west , ie Senegal had only 2 slave ships in 80 years
The details of these books/records from Spanish and English slave traders is extensive and still being reviewed today...............the details are even down to numbers of beasts of burden bought from these African tribes and shipped across the Atlantic Ocean.
Surprising is the Kingdoms of Nigeria and Congo is the main source , that is the bulk of caribeean and american slaves come from
Arabs controlled the east-african slave trade from Zanzibar and Tanzania
Berbers controlled the white slave trade from North Africa
and others
I have long insisted that intellectual pursuits can only be accomplished when there is leisure and wealth. If you are working from dusk till dawn, there is little time to think great thoughts. If it was not for slavery many if not all of the accomplishments of Ancient Greece and Rome would not have been possible without slavery. It's not wokeness to accept that fact. Of course leisure can lead to other things like drunkness so I am happy that intellectual and artistic pursuits were not elbowed aside.
One could say, if it wasn't for all of those lumberjacks cutting down trees, there never would have been paper to write the next great literary work. Nobody thinks in those terms, but when it comes to slavery, they only say that, because it makes them feel virtuous for emulating the compassion of the Hollywood-underdog narrative. In reality, slaves were interchangeable and insignificant in society. If it wasn't for those soldiers who imposed the will of the elite, nothing would have been done.
Imagine after spending years paying off a mortgage on your house, you turn around and tell your family that you owe everything that you accomplished to the contractor, mason, painters, etc. who physically built it up. Nobody thinks like that.
Mind you, I come from a working-class background. Both of my parents went to work, and my father worked two jobs. They didn't think in these terms either, they always taught me to get an education so I wouldn't have to work with my hands, and break my back. Because there is no glory, and virtue in being a donkey!
Growing up, I noticed a lot of other ethnic groups didn't really have this mentality, these people are stagnant, or going backwards. Italians-Americans always push for their children to get a good education, and good paying jobs. That's is why Italian-Americans went from poor immigrants from the backward-south to wealthy Americans:
Detailed ancestry[edit]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income
Important to understand too that a lot of the Americans at the top of the list came to this country with degrees in computer science, technology and engineering or medicine (This is particularly true of the small population of Indian Americans, some of whom got their degrees here), or they came as family groups with money to invest, some just to get a bigger return, and some because they're fleeing situations in their country, like South African Americans or Chinese from Hong Kong or Indians from Indonesia. They are examples of capitalism in action. Where I am virtually every motel and convenience store, including all the 7-11 stores, are owned by Indian or Pakistani Americans. I have respect for them for learning how to make it, and because they seem to work 12-14 hours a day. (The Chinese and Koreans are a mixed bag. Some of the Chinese are virtually indentured servants perpetually paying off the gang lords who got them here illegally, and a lot of the Koreans who come only seem to have enough capital to open the smallest stores.)
Still, it's all very different from arriving here illiterate or semi-literate and with not a dime in your pocket, as was the case for most Italian Americans who arrived with the big wave of immigration in the early 20th century, and pushing your kids up the socio-economic ladder in this way. The Greeks and Turks are self evident too; they've been traders and small business owners forever. Is there a diner near you "not" owned by a Greek family, a family where everybody works long hours?)
Then they see big government taking so much of their hard earned money and giving it away on failed programs, and they get angry. Who could blame them? I get angry sometimes too. We played by all the rules. Study hours a day while your father works twelve hours a day, go to a good university, then get an advanced degree, all on academic scholarships, work twelve hours a day yourself, save money for a down payment on a house before you have children, continue working long hours to pay that mortgage and support your family, only have two children because you don't have the energy for a demanding job and a big family, pay your taxes dutifully, save money anyway and invest it, and pay tax on those earnings, then realize the money you leave your children will also be taxed, so you try to shelter some of it, and now the government says you soon won't be able to do that either. What's the point of saving then? There's something wrong with wanting to help your children have it a little easier than you did? It's infuriating.
Imagine after spending years paying off a mortgage on your house, you turn around and tell your family that you owe everything that you accomplished to the contractor, mason, painters, etc. who physically built it up. Nobody thinks like that.
Mind you, I come from a working-class background. Both of my parents went to work, and my father worked two jobs. They didn't think in these terms either, they always taught me to get an education so I wouldn't have to work with my hands, and break my back. Because there is no glory, and virtue in being a donkey!
Growing up, I noticed a lot of other ethnic groups didn't really have this mentality, these people are stagnant, or going backwards. Italians-Americans always push for their children to get a good education, and good paying jobs. That's is why Italian-Americans went from poor immigrants from the backward-south to wealthy Americans:
Detailed ancestry[edit]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income
Wow interessting, Iranian Americans rank 9 in the USA. In Germany it is kinda the same, next to Vietnamese Germans, Iranian Germans are among the best integrated communities. Iranians anywhere in the Diaspora are among the most educated and best earning groups. Most left after the 1979 Revolution because of this awful religious goverment.
Italian Americans are among the Top 20 in the USA which is surprising because Italians started from a very humble situation. What happened here ? From zero to hero ?
Charlemagne da God isn't being realistic here. Even Bill Maher and his guest, who are liberals think his demands are ridiculous:
[FONT="]Each immigrant group possesses its own strategies for survival and success. For Italians, theirs rested upon two pillars: work and family. Italian immigrants helped provide the labor for American factories and mines and helped build roads, dams, tunnels, and other infrastructure. Their work provided them a small economic foothold in American society and allowed them to provide for their families, which stood at the core of Italian-American life.
[/FONT]What Sets Italian Americans Off From Other Immigrants? | The National Endowment for the Humanities (neh.gov)
I also get annoyed when activists minimize the contributions of all of the other people in this country. What?! All of the immigrants that came to this country, (Dare I say even the ones from Europe) didn't have a hand in building this country? The Chinese didn't build the railroads? All of the beautiful façades on brownstone buildings in the North East were made by Italian-Immigrants. I can go on and on. No wonder it isn't a popular policy to endeavor for.
These people didn't help build America? As well as the people before them?:
In this study, we measure the contribution of immigrants and their descendents to the growth and industrial transformation of the American workforce in the age of mass immigration from 1880 to 1920. The size and selectivity of the immigrant community, as well as their disproportionate residence in large cities, meant they were the mainstay of the American industrial workforce. Immigrants and their children comprised over half of manufacturing workers in 1920, and if the third generation (the grandchildren of immigrants) are included, then more than two-thirds of workers in the manufacturing sector were of recent immigrant stock. Although higher wages and better working conditions might have encouraged more long-resident native-born workers to the industrial economy, the scale and pace of the American industrial revolution might well have slowed. The closing of the door to mass immigration in the 1920s did lead to increased recruitment of native born workers, particularly from the South, to northern industrial cities in the middle decades of the 20th century.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2760060/
As always, you completely miss my point, deliberately perhaps. I didn't say the Europeans were noble; that they weren't was a given. I also specifically added that "There are just people, who have always acted just like people.
Try to get over your bias against me and give me my due when warranted, as I do with you.
The only difference is that as an Italian citizen I have no power to compel the Germans to tear those statues down, even though we're all supposed to be Europeans living in one union, yes? Hell, as an Italian citizen I didn't even get the chance to force Germany to surrender the monsters in both the Wehrmacht and the SS to our justice system for their atrocities in Italy. Instead, they died of old age in their beds. I think that's a lot more important than some freaking statues.
that's still not the same imo. those statues were built by Italians themselves long after the time of the HRE.Plus, Italians have a tendency to give even their conquerors their due, a trait I don't find altogether admirable; lots of statues of Frederick II around. They're quite fond of him in Foggia where he lived for much of his life and which he loved. Not so much in the cities of the north which grew out of the communes.
My point is that history is history. I object to anyone trying to obliterate signs of the past because they dislike it. It's like the Taliban toppling statues of the Buddha. I'll grant you I can see why people wouldn't want a statue of Jefferson Davis around, just as I wouldn't want one of Mussolini in Italy, although I don't mean to draw a comparison between the two as the scale is completely different. However, there's a point where you have to draw the line. Should all statues of the Kings of Savoy and their spouses be torn down because the last one was a weakling and a coward? Should the statues of all the kings and queens of the past be torn down because now we're a democracy?
To pretend that all the founding fathers had slaves or were even in favor of slavery is a lie, but it's a lie taught as part of this curriculum. The idiots writing that curriculum are either deliberately lying or they slept through their American history courses because they were stoned.
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