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    Central Asia and the Scythians

    Ancient genomic time transect from the Central Asian Steppe unravels the history of the Scythians

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    The Scythians were a multitude of horse-warrior nomad cultures dwelling in the Eurasian steppe during the first millennium BCE. Because of the lack of first-hand written records, little is known about the origins and relations among the different cultures. To address these questions, we produced genome-wide data for 111 ancient individuals retrieved from 39 archaeological sites from the first millennia BCE and CE across the Central Asian Steppe. We uncovered major admixture events in the Late Bronze Age forming the genetic substratum for two main Iron Age gene-pools emerging around the Altai and the Urals respectively. Their demise was mirrored by new genetic turnovers, linked to the spread of the eastern nomad empires in the first centuries CE. Compared to the high genetic heterogeneity of the past, the homogenization of the present-day Kazakhs gene pool is notable, likely a result of 400 years of strict exogamous social rules.


    Link: https://advances.sciencemag.org/cont.../eabe4414.full


    Looks like there was a influx of "Persian"-related ancestry into Central Asia 600 BCE-500 CE. My guess is that is was related to the expansion of the Achaemenid Empire.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anfänger View Post
    Ancient genomic time transect from the Central Asian Steppe unravels the history of the Scythians

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    The Scythians were a multitude of horse-warrior nomad cultures dwelling in the Eurasian steppe during the first millennium BCE. Because of the lack of first-hand written records, little is known about the origins and relations among the different cultures. To address these questions, we produced genome-wide data for 111 ancient individuals retrieved from 39 archaeological sites from the first millennia BCE and CE across the Central Asian Steppe. We uncovered major admixture events in the Late Bronze Age forming the genetic substratum for two main Iron Age gene-pools emerging around the Altai and the Urals respectively. Their demise was mirrored by new genetic turnovers, linked to the spread of the eastern nomad empires in the first centuries CE. Compared to the high genetic heterogeneity of the past, the homogenization of the present-day Kazakhs gene pool is notable, likely a result of 400 years of strict exogamous social rules.


    Link: https://advances.sciencemag.org/cont.../eabe4414.full


    Looks like there was a influx of "Persian"-related ancestry into Central Asia 600 BCE-500 CE. My guess is that is was related to the expansion of the Achaemenid Empire.


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    according to Persians ..............they originated in Uzbekistan and migrated ( most ) to Iran circa 1000BC .............maybe this is related ancestry
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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    according to Persians ..............they originated in Uzbekistan and migrated ( most ) to Iran circa 1000BC .............maybe this is related ancestry
    Yes, Persians originated in Central Asia but the study says 600 BCE-500 CE for the ancestry influx into Central Asia. It has to be related to the different Persian Empires expanding into these regions in historic times.

    Other Highlights: - A Elite Hun burial from modern Hungary matches a Hun from western Kazakhstan.
    - Medieval Turkic samples from Central Asia.
    - Modern Kazahks are the result of medieval migrations and not descendants of the Scythians.
    - Sarmatians originated in southern Ural region with minor East Eurasian ancestry compared to the Eastern Scythians.
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    Really, more Scythians. They have now become the most studied Iron Age population! There were already some 40 samples (+ more Saka and Sarmatians) and now 111 more samples. On the other hand we have almost nothing from Iron Age Europe.
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    Sarmatians originated in southern Ural region with minor East Eurasian ancestry compared to the Eastern Scythians.
    The sarmatian used ring pommel sword. It originated in sema turbino culture and continued to karasuk. And it spread to china bronze, tibet, the celts, and japan even if their shapes are different each other. As far as I am concerned, the sarmatian swords looks same as avar, korea and japan's. The most important thing is the ring which means heaven, sky and sun. These people were obsessed with sun. Whole scythian group has similar culture as weapon, horse harness and animal art. The animal art originated in okunevo culture. If I am allowed, I want to add one more culture, cannibalism to scythian culture according to historical and archaeological data, which seima turbino also had. Thus I hope scholars use seima turbino sample next time.

    "Ring-pomelled swords appeared very early in the steppe sarmatian milieu and became widely spread. we can find these weapons across the whole of the sarmatian territory from the south ural up to the lower danube. the shape was formed inthe 3 rd century bc and spread into the north pontic region inthe second half of the 2 nd century bc."


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    As expected we see high % of r1a-z93 and Q
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Really, more Scythians. They have now become the most studied Iron Age population! There were already some 40 samples (+ more Saka and Sarmatians) and now 111 more samples. On the other hand we have almost nothing from Iron Age Europe.
    has anyone finally confirmed if the sarmatians are an off-shoot of scythians or a separate branch that merged with scythians ?

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    I think this sarmatian is a sky god. His daggers seems to originate in karasuk:

    Picture 2: Catacombs and tomb complex from Porogi


    and celtic god?
    One sample of early La Tène culture A from Putzenfeld am Dürrnberg, Hallein, Austria (ca 450–380 BC)

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