Eupedia Forums
Site NavigationEupedia Top > Eupedia Forum & Japan Forum
Page 2 of 8 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast
Results 26 to 50 of 177

Thread: Anti-vaxxer movement strongest in France

  1. #26
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    13-03-21
    Posts
    28


    Country: United States



    I suppose that I am lucky to live in a state with a very high percentage of people that are vaccinated. I do believe that we have reached critical mass in my area , as of today not one inpatient has tested COVID-19 positive.
    Now we are seeing a surplus of vaccines, that will go bad, if not used.
    The right thing to do would be for the big American pharmaceutical companies to give the shots to needy countries. . . . Not force them on American people that do not want it or need it.

  2. #27
    Advisor Jovialis's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-05-17
    Posts
    5,963

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b1a1b2a2a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H6a1b7

    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: United States



    As soon as they allow the vaccine for children under 12 to be eligible, I don't give a damn about who doesn't want to take it. Young children, although supposedly do better with the virus, are still vulnerable. We don't know what the long term effects will be 10 or 20 years from now, on children who get infected. Unfortunately, because of these ignorant and selfish people who do not want to be vaccinated, we have to have young children at risk of catching the disease.

  3. #28
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    13-03-21
    Posts
    28


    Country: United States



    Perhaps the long term effect in young children who become infected with Covid-19, will be a life time of natural immunity to a disease that poses little risk to them?

  4. #29
    Advisor Jovialis's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-05-17
    Posts
    5,963

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b1a1b2a2a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H6a1b7

    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: United States



    1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ceribell View Post
    Perhaps the long term effect in young children who become infected with Covid-19, will be a life time of natural immunity to a disease that poses little risk to them?
    People who are sick can still get re-infected. I've heard of people who still have not been able to taste or smell anything after being infected 9 months ago. Some people even have had brain damage from the virus. I for one, am not willing to wait and see for my child, when there will be a vaccine that can prevent it from happening. Like I said, as soon as children are able to get vaccinated, and we have achieved herd immunity; I don't care what unvaccinated people do with their lives. Frankly, the unvaccinated will essentially be free-loaders, who live insulated in a population that had the good-sense to get vaccinated.

  5. #30
    Moderator
    Join Date
    21-10-16
    Posts
    2,257


    Ethnic group
    Multiracial Brazilian
    Country: Brazil



    2 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    I'm blessed to live in a country with big pharma therapy and abundance of clean drinking water-is that considered "white privilege?" I don't know(https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/06/...o-clean-water/). However being of little means, I can't afford the experimental treatment being offered against a virus with a mortality rate of roughly .05%+/- give or take(4million+/- divided by 7.9 billion+/-). However if I could afford the experimental treatments; I would want to donate mine to a person of little means in the third world, who have neither access to clean drinking water, or the experimental therapy.
    That proportion of mortality rate makes no sense. That's like considering ebola extremely harmless because the number of people who have EVER died from ebola (not just in 1 year and a few months, as Covid-19) is ridiculously tiny in comparison to the whole world's population. Covid-19 is highly transmissible on a person to person basis (so it's not just about you: you may survive or perhaps even have only mild symptoms, but you can *directly* or indirectly cause someone else's death... assuming you care about that, of course), it kills at least 1-3% of those who get the disease (depends highly on where you live and how overstretched - or not - the hospitals and ICUs in your city will be when and if you get infected), and it causes serious, potentially long-term damaging symptoms and collateral damages in at least 10-20% of those infected by the virus. Honestly, by this time into the pandemic those should be elementary info.

  6. #31
    Baron
    Join Date
    10-06-12
    Posts
    484

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-BY593
    MtDNA haplogroup
    U5b2a2

    Country: Canada-Ontario



    Ygorcs how's it going?
    Ebola now- wow-more doom and gloom, why am I not surprised ? Any positive news?
    H. event.


  7. #32
    Advisor Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    19,636


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    I took Moderna, both shots. I was tired and a bit achy for a day or two as anyone who has children will know are typical reactions to any vaccine. Other than that, nothing.

    So happy we were all able to get it.

    At my son's place of business you have to present your *********** showing both shots or you have to wear a mask every freaking second.


    Non si fa il proprio dovere perchè qualcuno ci dica grazie, lo si fa per principio, per se stessi, per la propria dignità. Oriana Fallaci

  8. #33
    Moderator
    Join Date
    21-10-16
    Posts
    2,257


    Ethnic group
    Multiracial Brazilian
    Country: Brazil



    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    Ygorcs how's it going?
    Ebola now- wow-more doom and gloom, why am I not surprised ? Any positive news?
    What? "Ebola now"? Something tells me you misinterpreted a simple comment and didn't get a very basic comparison with a previous event to explain why your mortality rate calculus has zero relevance to determine how dangerous Covid-19 is to people who are really exposed to the virus.

    As for positive news, I have one for you: many countries in the world already have more than 1/3 of their population vaccinated with at least dose of a jab against Covid-19, and that includes some of the most hardly hit countries of the world, like USA, UK, Brazil and Italy. So, yeah, that's very positive news.

  9. #34
    Baron
    Join Date
    10-06-12
    Posts
    484

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-BY593
    MtDNA haplogroup
    U5b2a2

    Country: Canada-Ontario



    This is a list of the largest known epidemics and pandemics caused by an infectious disease
    Does anyone disagree with covid at number 8 spot @0.04%-0.1%
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics

  10. #35
    Advisor Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    19,636


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    2 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    This is a list of the largest known epidemics and pandemics caused by an infectious disease
    Does anyone disagree with covid at number 8 spot @0.04%-0.1%
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
    I think one has to consider the effect of the vaccines when looking at those numbers. In the past there was nothing one could do. Look at the plague: it still exists, but antibiotics cure it. Same goes for TB, and I don't think anyone knows really how many died, but it was a scourge,

    I don't want you to get it, Silesian; even if it doesn't kill you, the side effects can be terrible. Look at how many have taken the vaccine with no ill effects, even very old people. Take it, especially with the Delta version rocketing around the world. You won't be sorry.

    Just as a side note, the reason variants like the Delta version arise in the first place is precisely because there are huge reservoirs where there's a lot of Covid, giving the virus more opportunity to mutate.

  11. #36
    Moderator
    Join Date
    21-10-16
    Posts
    2,257


    Ethnic group
    Multiracial Brazilian
    Country: Brazil



    1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    This is a list of the largest known epidemics and pandemics caused by an infectious disease
    Does anyone disagree with covid at number 8 spot @0.04%-0.1%
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
    So, is your point that Covid-19 is no big deal and, therefore, has no need to be eradicated by mass vaccination because previous epidemics and pandemics killed more people (usually, by the way, because most people didn't know how or had no practical means to prevent it as fast and effectively as we do now, using vaccines, masks, social distancing, avoiding crowds and closed spaces, alcohol etc., nor had they access to the advanced medicine and medical equipments we have now?

    You are also perhaps forgetting (let's pretend that for a moment) that 0.04-0.1% is only 0.04-0.1% because BILLIONS of people did everything they could to avoid getting exposed to the virus, and that meant NOT LIVING IN NORMAL CONDITIONS for more than one entire year, with huge personal and economic damages. Only 5-8% of the world's population were contamined by the coronavirus so far, which means that the low mortality rate is not simply because the virus is little lethal, but rather in large part because the virus was AVOIDED by a huge portion of humankind via huge sacrifices and concerted efforts. Now, if you let the virus spread loose and totally unrestricted, you would definitely see that proportion rise 10-fold or so.

    It's a bit like saying homicide is no big issue, so why spend so much with policing, investigation and judicial system to curb violence? After all, only ~500,000 people die every year from homicide, a tiny 0.005%, most of them just in a few dozens of nations of the world, so why bother? Let people kill each other freely, it's not worth the effort and the huge expenses.

    Honestly? I can only roll my eyes when I hear arguments like yours.
    Last edited by Ygorcs; 05-07-21 at 21:22.

  12. #37
    Satyavrata Maciamo's Avatar
    Join Date
    17-07-02
    Location
    Lothier
    Posts
    9,573


    Ethnic group
    Italo-celto-germanic
    Country: Belgium - Brussels



    Flanders has become the first European region (excluding minor countries with less than half a million people) to reach a 70% vaccination rate against Covid. Within Belgium Flanders is 10% ahead of Wallonia.

    This is for the whole population, including children who cannot be vaccinated. You can see on this very well designed website that the vaccination rate for all Belgium is about 90% of over 65 years old, 86% for 45-65 years old and 69% of 18-44 years old.

    Pfizer/BioNTech leads with 63% of all vaccinations.

    In the next few days, Belgium should overtake the UK, Israel and Canada and get the highest vaccination rate of Western countries (excluding minor countries like San Marino or Monaco).

    Interestingly one month ago Belgium and France had a similar vaccination rate, but France has barely increased and is still at 51%.
    Check this selection of my best forum topics
    My book selection
    ---Follow me on Facebook and Twitter --- My profile on Academia.edu and on ResearchGate ----Check Wa-pedia's Japan Guide
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "What is the use of living, if it be not to strive for noble causes and to make this muddled world a better place for those who will live in it after we are gone?", Winston Churchill.

  13. #38
    Advisor Jovialis's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-05-17
    Posts
    5,963

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b1a1b2a2a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H6a1b7

    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: United States



    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Flanders has become the first European region (excluding minor countries with less than half a million people) to reach a 70% vaccination rate against Covid. Within Belgium Flanders is 10% ahead of Wallonia.

    This is for the whole population, including children who cannot be vaccinated. You can see on this very well designed website that the vaccination rate for all Belgium is about 90% of over 65 years old, 86% for 45-65 years old and 69% of 18-44 years old.

    Pfizer/BioNTech leads with 63% of all vaccinations.

    In the next few days, Belgium should overtake the UK, Israel and Canada and get the highest vaccination rate of Western countries (excluding minor countries like San Marino or Monaco).

    Interestingly one month ago Belgium and France had a similar vaccination rate, but France has barely increased and is still at 51%.
    Right now, supply is ample, anyone can just walk into a pharmacy to get the shot, without an appointment. The only people who are left, are the true anti-vaxxers, and ignorantly fearful. It is frustrating to see the upward tick of those receiving vaccines has flat-lined. Hopefully, once they start vaccinating people 12 and under, we will achieve the range of herd immunity.

    That, or they really need to start using more carrots and sticks to get people to receive the shot. Some people are only getting it because their company is mandating it. I think the government should pressure more companies to mandate shots, or perhaps provide them incentives, like more tax breaks.

  14. #39
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    12-11-19
    Posts
    213


    Country: Belgium - Flanders



    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Right now, supply is ample, anyone can just walk into a pharmacy to get the shot, without an appointment.
    It's like that in Brussels.
    In Flanders it's not like that yet, but it probably will be like that within a few weeks.
    Brussels and Flanders recieve the same amount of vaccins related to their population.
    The difference is that there are many more anti-vaxxers in Brussels, while in Flanders there are very few.

  15. #40
    Baron
    Join Date
    10-06-12
    Posts
    484

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-BY593
    MtDNA haplogroup
    U5b2a2

    Country: Canada-Ontario



    Extra, extra read all about it--Conspiracy theory anti-vaxxer media factory overload.
    Anyone know what the WHO position is on child covid vaccines?

    COVID-19: Henry stays course on vaccine for children, despite no WHO policy


    https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...-no-who-policy

  16. #41
    Advisor Jovialis's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-05-17
    Posts
    5,963

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b1a1b2a2a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H6a1b7

    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: United States



    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    Extra, extra read all about it--Conspiracy theory anti-vaxxer media factory overload.
    Anyone know what the WHO position is on child covid vaccines?

    COVID-19: Henry stays course on vaccine for children, despite no WHO policy


    https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...-no-who-policy
    The WHO has said Pfizer is fine to use for children 12+, which is what is allowed in the US.

  17. #42
    Advisor Jovialis's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-05-17
    Posts
    5,963

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b1a1b2a2a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H6a1b7

    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: United States



    1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur 2 View Post
    anti-vaxxers
    I think the issue with trying to educate people on the vaccine, is that they don't trust the sources they are coming from. However, I don't think these people think too deeply about much, and are more responsive to sensation than reason. Which is why governments should use "sticks" to imperil their base motivations, like income. Governments need to pressure or persuade companies to make it mandatory for their employees to get the vaccine. People can still have their freedoms, but they also have the freedom to be unemployed, if they don't want to follow suit.

  18. #43
    Baron
    Join Date
    10-06-12
    Posts
    484

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-BY593
    MtDNA haplogroup
    U5b2a2

    Country: Canada-Ontario



    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    The WHO has said Pfizer is fine to use for children 12+, which is what is allowed in the US.
    Well if that is the case, I would be willing to try the new experimental gene therapy and have people monitor me for let's say a meager 1 million dollars in gold, just in case I could not work anymore. It's a sacrifice I would be willing to make to help out( BTW I'm all caught up all my vaccines). Originally I was thinking about Sputnik 5 or Sinopharm vaccine, I think both traditional.

  19. #44
    Baron
    Join Date
    10-06-12
    Posts
    484

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-BY593
    MtDNA haplogroup
    U5b2a2

    Country: Canada-Ontario



    Here is a cool website with up to date stats. You can even scroll over countries. For example Lao Peoples Democratic Republic had only 3 deaths so far(population 7 million +/-).
    WHO Coronavirus (COVID-19) Dashboard
    https://covid19.who.int/?adgroupsurvey={adgroupsurvey}

  20. #45
    Advisor Jovialis's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-05-17
    Posts
    5,963

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b1a1b2a2a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H6a1b7

    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: United States



    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    Well if that is the case, I would be willing to try the new experimental gene therapy and have people monitor me for let's say a meager 1 million dollars in gold, just in case I could not work anymore. It's a sacrifice I would be willing to make to help out( BTW I'm all caught up all my vaccines). Originally I was thinking about Sputnik 5 or Sinopharm vaccine, I think both traditional.
    I have already debunked these harmful lies with legitimate sources. Do not spread disinformation, mRNA vaccines are not experimental, and they are not gene therapy.

  21. #46
    Baron
    Join Date
    10-06-12
    Posts
    484

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-BY593
    MtDNA haplogroup
    U5b2a2

    Country: Canada-Ontario



    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I have already debunked these harmful lies with legitimate sources. Do not spread disinformation, mRNA vaccines are not experimental, and they are not gene therapy.
    Wikipedia


    This is what wikipedia has under RNA vaccines
    General

    Before 2020, no mRNA technology platform (drug or vaccine) had been authorized for use in humans, so there was a risk of unknown effects.[44] The 2020 COVID-19 pandemic required faster production capability of mRNA vaccines, made them attractive to national health organisations, and led to debate about the type of initial authorization mRNA vaccines should get (including emergency use authorization or expanded access authorization) after the eight-week period of post-final human trials.[73][74]

  22. #47
    Baron
    Join Date
    10-06-12
    Posts
    484

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-BY593
    MtDNA haplogroup
    U5b2a2

    Country: Canada-Ontario



    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I think one has to consider the effect of the vaccines when looking at those numbers. In the past there was nothing one could do. Look at the plague: it still exists, but antibiotics cure it. Same goes for TB, and I don't think anyone knows really how many died, but it was a scourge,

    I don't want you to get it, Silesian; even if it doesn't kill you, the side effects can be terrible. Look at how many have taken the vaccine with no ill effects, even very old people. Take it, especially with the Delta version rocketing around the world. You won't be sorry.

    Just as a side note, the reason variants like the Delta version arise in the first place is precisely because there are huge reservoirs where there's a lot of Covid, giving the virus more opportunity to mutate.
    There are so many vaccines to choose from. How did you know which one to choose? Did future reservoirs of potential variants come into play when you made your decision?
    For example children potential variant reservoirs for Delta or Lambda, spreading, who were vaccinated versus children un-vaccinated
    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/...romised-672894

  23. #48
    Advisor Jovialis's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-05-17
    Posts
    5,963

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b1a1b2a2a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H6a1b7

    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: United States



    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    Wikipedia


    This is what wikipedia has under RNA vaccines
    General

    Before 2020, no mRNA technology platform (drug or vaccine) had been authorized for use in humans, so there was a risk of unknown effects.[44] The 2020 COVID-19 pandemic required faster production capability of mRNA vaccines, made them attractive to national health organisations, and led to debate about the type of initial authorization mRNA vaccines should get (including emergency use authorization or expanded access authorization) after the eight-week period of post-final human trials.[73][74]
    How in your mind does this make it experimental or gene therapy?

    Take a look at the source, an editorial published by one person, prior to when the papers on the results were released a month later.

  24. #49
    Advisor Jovialis's Avatar
    Join Date
    04-05-17
    Posts
    5,963

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b1a1b2a2a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H6a1b7

    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: United States



    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    How in your mind does this make it experimental or gene therapy?

    Take a look at the source, an editorial published by one person, prior to when the papers on the results were released a month later.
    in fact here is a more recent article where this same author praises the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

    "Two vaccines made using messenger RNA (mRNA) have proved spectacularly successful at warding off COVID-19"

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01661-0

    Moreover, the article shows that there are rigorous standards that are put in place, as it points out with this third vaccine.

    What are you trying to prove here?

  25. #50
    Baron
    Join Date
    10-06-12
    Posts
    484

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    R1b-BY593
    MtDNA haplogroup
    U5b2a2

    Country: Canada-Ontario




    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    in fact here is a more recent article where this same author praises the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

    "Two vaccines made using messenger RNA (mRNA) have proved spectacularly successful at warding off COVID-19"

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01661-0

    Moreover, the article shows that there are rigorous standards that are put in place, as it points out with this third vaccine.

    What are you trying to prove here?
    I don't know what to believe anymore. When I get my vaccine I want as close as possible 90%-100% effective and not have to wear PPE mask and face shield anymore and keep being questioned at work everyday if I have any changes and using thermal imaging scanning me, and some laser pointed at my forehead taking my temp ( I don't even know if I already had it and am just asymptomatic) it's so hot and I'm not getting proper oxygen, only my own recycled breadth day in and day out. Here is another article
    75 pupils contract COVID-19 from a vaccinated person at school party in Tel Aviv; former Health Ministry deputy director calls to bring back 'Green Pass' system

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/officials-to-weigh-reimposing-some-virus-restrictions-as-delta-variant-spreads/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Page 2 of 8 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •