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    Quote Originally Posted by Taranis View Post
    I think the risk from long covid, and indeed covid-19 in general, is far greater than the risk of myocarditis. Plus, myocarditis can be treated.
    I'm pro vaccine. Those of us who have loved ones who have taken this and seen them experience fatigue and headaches want answers before we take it. There is no better time to show the benefits of this technology by the FDA by releasing statistical information for neutral scientific third party review and debate. If there is no information like statistics and pathology of VAERS patients are we to conclude that secret agreement has been signed to not release this data? Release the data for the public scientists to peer review. Show the public how it differs from a Ivermectin like India used. Or how Sweden 0 deaths differs from Finland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    Anything less than a release of full disclosure in clinical trials Pfizer 2 year vaccinated versus their non vaccinated control group for public viewing by 3rd party neutral medical experts will be very suspicious. If no data or pathology reports for peer review by scientists I hope this is not a repeat of the 1996 clinical trials in Kano Nigeria and the 2009 verdict by the US department of Justice.
    So already you have a new excuse, than. I had a feeling you would still not accept it. Just keep moving the goal post. Don't worry, it is only a matter of time before Canada and the US makes it mandatory to get the vaccine in order to live a normal life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    So already you have a new excuse, than. I had a feeling you would still not accept it. Just keep moving the goal post. Don't worry, it is only a matter of time before Canada and the US makes it mandatory to get the vaccine in order to live a normal life.
    Peer reviewed autopsies by pathologists for mrna vaccine deaths is not moving the goal post. If no data is released mandate or no mandate I would be concerned for the health of those who are now facing a third shot. You understand it is not normal to vaccinate the control group right?

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    The whole idea of having Pfizer one shot or two at the most, is to stop the spread and mitigate the health effects of those in the highest risk group. The fact that Israel is so far into Pfizer vaccines and needs more shots sounds a little disturbing. Was there a secret agreement signed to keep this vaccine regiment going regardless of the data?
    Israeli doctors find severe COVID-19 breakthrough cases mostly in older, sicker patients

    https://news.yahoo.com/israeli-doctors-severe-covid-19-051332873.html

    Will everybody-100% receiving the same mrna vaccine in the middle of a pandemic, help to return to the normal way of life? Time will tell. FDA can release the data, that is all that is required, to convince people they are not partaking in some wild experiment.

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    Hopefully the FDA will clarify the trend in Israel and why 2 Pfizer shots are not stopping the spread or helping those over 60. No more excuses of mutations; there will always be the potential for mutations to arise, since the reservoir can be different animals like bats, birds, mammals etc, or different populations that have not used mrna vaccines like China, or that have used Ivermectin, like India.

    Israel has one of the world's highest daily Covid-19 infection rates, despite high vaccine uptake

    https://www.businessinsider.co.za/is...-uptake-2021-8


    Covid 80% of Israeli adults are fully vaccinated against Covid-19,

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    When you figure out who is collaborating with the FDA and owns shares in mrna companies, everything will make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...roval.amp.html
    Monday Pfizer will be approved by the FDA.
    Israel struggles with COVID surge despite mass vaccinations

    f you were to ask me two months ago when we had only 100 cases a day, I would have said we don’t need to go with a booster,” said Professor Cohen.
    “But in the meantime, we moved from 100 cases a day to 8,000 cases a day and I won’t be surprised if in a couple more days we see more than 10,000.......More than 1.3 million Israelis out of a population of 9.3 million have received three doses of Pfizer so far, but there have been “breakthroughs”: some people have become infected with coronavirus despite having received three shots.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...ions-despite-v
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    Israel struggles with COVID surge despite mass vaccinations





    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...ions-despite-v
    Breakthroughs are expected, and the amount is infinitesimal. We have known this from day one.

    This is from July 29th:

    In total, 2.6% of the healthcare workers had breakthrough COVID-19 infections, 67% of which were mild and 33% of which were asymptomatic.

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/07/israeli-study-finds-26-covid-breakthrough-infection-rate
    67% were mild, and 33% were asymptomatic OF the 2.6%.

    The overwhelming vast majority of people infected were UNVACCINATED, and they have been hospitalized or died.

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    1 members found this post helpful.
    Do you think all FDA approved vaccines have zero chance of breakthrough infections? Because you would be wrong.

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    Jovialis, let them be skeptics. The news is full of skeptics and conspiracy theorists that did not get vaccinated and ended up dying.To the skeptics, I really don't care if you live or if you die. You had your opportunity and you blew it. I just hope that you do not discover how wrong you were on your death bed because it would be too late. I will take a booster shot as soon as I am able.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Jovialis, let them be skeptics. The news is full of skeptics and conspiracy theorists that did not get vaccinated and ended up dying.To the skeptics, I really don't care if you live or if you die. You had your opportunity and you blew it. I just hope that you do not discover how wrong you were on your death bed because it would be too late. I will take a booster shot as soon as I am able.
    I will feel that way too, once my child is vaccinated.

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    FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine

    https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...vid-19-vaccine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Breakthroughs are expected, and the amount is infinitesimal. We have known this from day one.
    This is from July 29th:
    67% were mild, and 33% were asymptomatic OF the 2.6%.
    The overwhelming vast majority of people infected were UNVACCINATED, and they have been hospitalized or died.
    That is not the point. No vaccine has ever been approved in under a year!The average time it takes is 12 years to approve a vaccine. Phase 3 booster are just starting, no one knows what will happen without clinical trials.Once you take the first 2 shots they are recommending a booster, except the WHO, where is this going?If you are not worried that the vaccines are working why worry about peopt who are healthy, like the illegal people crossing the open border's,or the people who have opted out of being of un-mrna vaccines?Most on the planet does not have even 1 dose of mRNA let alone 3 or 4 or 5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    That is not the point. No vaccine has ever been approved in under a year!The average time it takes is 12 years to approve a vaccine. Phase 3 booster are just starting, no one knows what will happen without clinical trials.Once you take the first 2 shots they are recommending a booster, except the WHO, where is this going?If you are not worried that the vaccines are working why worry about peopt who are healthy, like the illegal people crossing the open border's,or the people who have opted out of being of un-mrna vaccines?Most on the planet does not have even 1 dose of mRNA let alone 3 or 4 or 5?
    If you want to potentially die, that's your business. Just stay away from small children, and old people.


    I am tired of having to explain things to you, because you have already decided you will not take the vaccine no matter what.


    First you wanted FDA approval. Now that you have it, it is not good enough. You're a joke.

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    These people think they know better than the FDA, Government leaders and specialists across the planet, and the medical community. Clearly this is a disease of the mind!:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    If you want to potentially die, that's your business. Just stay away from small children, and old people.


    I am tired of having to explain things to you, because you have already decided you will not take the vaccine no matter what.


    First you wanted FDA approval. Now that you have it, it is not good enough. You're a joke.
    I can't figure out why people with 2 FDA approved mrna shots have to wear PPE if the shots are working? Explain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    I can't figure out why people with 2 FDA approved mrna shots have to wear PPE if the shots are working? Explain?
    Because vaccinated people can still give it to unvaccinated people.

    Clearly the vaccine works.

    Breakthrough cases are expected, and only make up a tiny percent of people infected nowadays. the vast majority that are sick, hospitalized and dying are unvaccinated.

    We have been over this before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Because vaccinated people can still give it to unvaccinated people.

    Clearly the vaccine works.

    Breakthrough cases are expected, and only make up a tiny percent of people infected nowadays. the vast majority that are sick, hospitalized and dying are unvaccinated.

    We have been over this before.
    If more lockdowns are mandated and yy are mandated to take these shots every year or semi-yearly, will you comply, if you find out that the shots are actually harmful?

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    It will be interesting to compare the titers count in the FDA Pfizer data(when they decide to release it) and vaccine efficacy 6 months after the injection."Leaky vaccine" compared to "all or none" aka "perfect" vaccine.

    Polio, measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccines, are perfect vaccines, so they also stop transmission of the disease in question.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24895500/

    Leaky vaccines protect highly exposed recipients at a lower rate: implications for vaccine efficacy estimation and sieve analysis



    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3897733

    Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant Among Vaccinated Healthcare Workers, Vietnam

    Antibody titers in vaccine recipients.
    Interpretation: Breakthrough Delta variant infections are associated....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    It will be interesting to compare the titers count in the FDA Pfizer data(when they decide to release it) and vaccine efficacy 6 months after the injection."Leaky vaccine" compared to "all or none" aka "perfect" vaccine.

    Polio, measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccines, are perfect vaccines, so they also stop transmission of the disease in question.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24895500/

    Leaky vaccines protect highly exposed recipients at a lower rate: implications for vaccine efficacy estimation and sieve analysis



    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3897733

    Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant Among Vaccinated Healthcare Workers, Vietnam

    Antibody titers in vaccine recipients.
    I am done discussing this topic with you, because you are clearly just posturing, and grasping at straws to save face. But if you continue to undermine confidence in the vaccine, I am going to ban you from the website.

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    Given the high transmissibility of the Delta Variant, imo if you're not vaccinated, you will eventually get it. So, if you want to count on getting a very mild case, go ahead and refuse to get vaccinated.


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    The Delta variant is starting to affect with some deadly results people that my wife used to work with. So glad she retired early and we moved away from the area we used to live with its low vaccination rate. One good thing is that the deaths prompted other people to get vaccinated. One notable exception was an 80 yo acquittance that would rather believe the priest that preached that the pandemic was a hoax than the medical professionals. She was able to stave off hospitalization by being injected with monoclonal antibodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Given the high transmissibility of the Delta Variant, imo if you're not vaccinated, you will eventually get it. So, if you want to count on getting a very mild case, go ahead and refuse to get vaccinated.
    PM will be sent to you.

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