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    Neolithic Anatolia-Kinship Patterns

    It would be nice to get hold of these new Neolithic samples.

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    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60982221004231

    "Highlights

    •Genetic kinship estimated from co-buried individuals’ genomes in Neolithic Anatolia
    •Close relatives are common among co-burials in Aşıklı and Boncuklu
    •Many unrelated infants found buried in the same building in Çatalhöyük and Barcın
    •Neolithic societies in Southwest Asia may have held diverse concepts of kinship


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    The social organization of the first fully sedentary societies that emerged during the Neolithic period in Southwest Asia remains enigmatic,1 mainly because material culture studies provide limited insight into this issue. However, because Neolithic Anatolian communities often buried their dead beneath domestic buildings,2 household composition and social structure can be studied through these human remains. Here, we describe genetic relatedness among co-burials associated with domestic buildings in Neolithic Anatolia using 59 ancient genomes, including 22 new genomes from Aşıklı Höyük and Çatalhöyük. We infer pedigree relationships by simultaneously analyzing multiple types of information, including autosomal and X chromosome kinship coefficients, maternal markers, and radiocarbon dating. In two early Neolithic villages dating to the 9th and 8th millennia BCE, Aşıklı Höyük and Boncuklu, we discover that siblings and parent-offspring pairings were frequent within domestic structures, which provides the first direct indication of close genetic relationships among co-burials. In contrast, in the 7th millennium BCE sites of Çatalhöyük and Barcın, where we study subadults interred within and around houses, we find close genetic relatives to be rare. Hence, genetic relatedness may not have played a major role in the choice of burial location at these latter two sites, at least for subadults. This supports the hypothesis that in Çatalhöyük,3, 4, 5 and possibly in some other Neolithic communities, domestic structures may have served as burial location for social units incorporating biologically unrelated individuals. Our results underscore the diversity of kin structures in Neolithic communities during this important phase of sociocultural development."

    I can't think of which social units.



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    Thanks for sharing
    Tell you the truth it become boring again same y haplogroups( C,G2, ) i think H3a is maybe a surprise ...

    I think here are the genome( source other thread not anthrogenica)

    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/vi...Hpp1hUPth3hcLQ

    ID 33 Aşıklı Höyük 7945–7890 U3a G2a2b
    ID 1885 F Çatalhöyük K1a 6905-6885 .84 G2a2a1
    ID 2033 F.84 / 86 6690-6590 H2a2a1d H3a1 Çatalhöyük
    ID 2779 Çatalhöyük H2a2a C1a2 F.265
    ID 5357 Çatalhöyük 7035-661 N1a

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    I do know though that y haplogroup H was found in neolithic europe context before
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-FGC7391/

    https://yfull.com/mtree/H3ap/

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    Stratigraphic level / area Building Calibrated 14C date (cal. BCE) Age class Molecular sex Genome coverage Mitochondrial DNA haplogroup Y chromosome haplogroup
    2 Aşıklı Höyük 2A AB 7585–7475 (95%) Young adult XX 0.02 H2a2a -
    33 Aşıklı Höyük 2C C 7945–7890 (9%)
    7870–7595 (86%)
    Child XY 0.07 U3a G2a2b
    40 Aşıklı Höyük 2B BH 7935–7915 (1%)
    7825–7590 (94%)
    Old adult XX 0.03 N1a1a1 -
    128 Aşıklı Höyük 4 B3 8225–7955 (95%) Child XX 5.03 K1a4 -
    129 Aşıklı Höyük 4 B3 8170–8115 (6%) 8060–8045 (1%)
    8010–7985 (1%)
    7970–7735 (86%)
    Young adult XX 0.79 K1a4 -
    133 Aşıklı Höyük 4 B1 8170–8115 (8%)
    8060–8040 (1%)
    8010–7980 (2%)
    7975–7735 (84%)
    Old adult XX 1.16 K1a4 -
    131 Aşıklı Höyük 4 B1 8200–8110 (16%)
    8095–8035 (7%)
    8015–7740 (72%)
    Child XX 0.09 T2c1a -
    136 Aşıklı Höyük 4 B1 8175–8110 (7%)
    8090–8075 (1%)
    8065–8040 (1%)
    8015–7705 (84%)
    7695–7655 (2%)
    Adult XX 0.15 T2c1a -
    30006 F.7615 Çatalhöyük North G 114 6645–6495 (94%)
    6490–6480 (1%)
    Infant XX 0.07 K1a4 -
    8587 F.1013 Çatalhöyük North G 114 - Neonate XX 0.14 T2e -
    2728 F.258 Çatalhöyük South M 50 6695-6505 (95%) Infant XX 0.08 K1a -
    2842 F.274 Çatalhöyük South M 50 6690-6505 (95%) Child XX 0.09 K1a -
    2017 F.96 Çatalhöyük South M 50 6815–6790 (2%)
    6775–6595 (93%)
    Neonate XX 0.03 T2 -
    1885 F.84 Çatalhöyük South M 50 6905–6885 (1%)
    6825–6635 (92%)
    6625–6600 (2%)
    Child XY 0.07 K1a G2a2a1
    2033 F.84/86 Çatalhöyük South M 50 6690–6590 (95%) Child XY 0.01 H2a2a1d H3a1
    2779 F.265 Çatalhöyük South M 50 - Infant XY 0.27 H2a2a C1a2
    5357 F.576 Çatalhöyük South K 17 7035–6680 (93%)
    6670–6650 (2%)
    Infant XY 0.06 N1a1a1 C1a2
    21855 F.8214 Çatalhöyük South K 17 - Child XX 0.07 H2a2a1 -
    21981 F.8153 Çatalhöyük South N 89 - Infant XX 0.09 K1a17 -
    5747 F.1064 Çatalhöyük South M 91 6640–6490 (95%) Infant XX 0.12 T2c1 -
    11739 F.1912 Çatalhöyük TP Q-R - 6235–6075 (95%) Middle adult XX 0.20 K1b1 -
    20217 F.3931 Çatalhöyük TP Q-R - 6415–6240 (95%) Child XX 0.06 K1a4b -

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    Interesting, that the later (Ceramic) Neolithic Anatolians didn't show any affinity to CHG/Iran_N, but had around 10% Levantine admixture.


    Aceramic Neolithic-period populations had lower within-group genetic diversity (measured using the f3-statistic) than did Ceramic Neolithic groups (Figures 1D and S2C, and Tables Z8 and Z9) and carried a higher fraction of short runs of homozygosity (ROH) than most Ceramic Neolithic genomes (Figure S3G). This temporal increase in diversity, also noted in earlier studies,20 could be explained by two non-exclusive scenarios, namely population growth and genetic admixture. By testing D(Outgroup, X; Aceramic Anatolian, Ceramic Anatolian), where X represents an early Holocene Zagros or Levantine population, we found results compatible with southern and eastern gene flow into Central and West Anatolia between roughly 7,500 and 6,500 cal BCE (Figure 1E and Table Z4) as previously suggested.21,26 Using qpAdm, we could also model Ceramic Neolithic Anatolian populations as mixtures of c.90% Aceramic Neolithic Anatolian ancestry (estimate ± 1 standard error: 89%–92% ± 2%–4%) and c.10% Levantine ancestry (8%–11% ± 2%–4%) (models that included Zagros or Caucasus populations were not supported) (Table Z10). Notably, the timing of increased population mobility is contemporaneous with a stronger reliance on agriculture and animal husbandry as food sources, a shift to larger buildings, likely population growth, and possible shifts in patterns of social organization, as we describe below.
    https://www.cell.com/current-biology...822(21)00423-1

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    Quote Originally Posted by real expert View Post
    Interesting, that the later (Ceramic) Neolithic Anatolians didn't show any affinity to CHG/Iran_N, but had around 10% Levantine admixture.




    https://www.cell.com/current-biology...822(21)00423-1
    Is this Levantine influx Natufian, PPNA or PPNB ?
    As far as I know, Levantine ceramic started later than Anatolian ceramic, and Zagros ceramic was the first.

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    what do they mean by Y haplo H3a1? Is it H-P96?

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/H-P96/

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    Quote Originally Posted by real expert View Post
    Interesting, that the later (Ceramic) Neolithic Anatolians didn't show any affinity to CHG/Iran_N, but had around 10% Levantine admixture.




    https://www.cell.com/current-biology...822(21)00423-1
    I've been saying for years until I was blue in the face that it would turn out that a lot of Anatolian farmers had at least 10% Levantine Neolithic or related.

    You had to use your logic. The hunter-gatherers at Boncuklu learned farming from the Levant. In almost all cases the movement of agriculture came with a certain amount of migration.

    It also had to be because Early European farmers and Chalcolithic people like Otzi had it, and so some streams of the Neolithic had to carry it.

    People just didn't want to believe it, for reasons we all know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur 2 View Post
    what do they mean by Y haplo H3a1? Is it H-P96?

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/H-P96/

    no..
    h3a1 is according to isogg tree 2019-20120 is H-Z5864
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=262668195
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/H-Z5864/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I've been saying for years until I was blue in the face that it would turn out that a lot of Anatolian farmers had at least 10% Levantine Neolithic or related.

    You had to use your logic. The hunter-gatherers at Boncuklu learned farming from the Levant. In almost all cases the movement of agriculture came with a certain amount of migration.

    It also had to be because Early European farmers and Chalcolithic people like Otzi had it, and so some streams of the Neolithic had to carry it.

    People just didn't want to believe it, for reasons we all know.
    it was known at least since 2019 with the paper that brought to light the Anatolian hunter-gatherer component that Ceramic Farmers had around 10% Levan_N, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6425003/ .

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    What does even ancient dna mean to some people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopoldo Leone View Post
    it was known at least since 2019 with the paper that brought to light the Anatolian hunter-gatherer component that Ceramic Farmers had around 10% Levan_N, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6425003/ .
    Indeed, we know it since Feldman et al.

    Going by Feldman, actually the first farmers would have arrived to Anatolia more than 10k years ago bringing some Iran ancestry and at that point no Levant yet. Y-DNA G was there in this AAF period already. Perhaps the very first Gs that supposedly brought agriculture to Anatolia were either Iran-like or a mixture of it with AHG. Is so, not that surprising, if we think there's this ~9500 years old G2b sample from Iran with local ancestry. Later, in the ACF period, the Levant Neo ancestry would have arrived, bringing perhaps some E, T, H (all found in Levant Neo), to add up to some G, C, perhaps also J and a type of I, before the migration to Europe. This new paper doesn't seem to contradict it, since they talk on ACF as a mixture of AAF and 10% Levant (not AHG plus Levant).
    So it seems the very first farmers in Anatolia (AAF) were closer to Iran than to Levant in ancestry, but Barcin already had both. Tepecik would have had extra Iran and Levant in comparison to Barcin, iirc. Levant Neo per se had some Anatolian as well, and if I'm not mistaken Iran Neo had a bit of it too.
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    I have seen some argue that the G2a in Early European Farmers (EFF)/Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (ANF), is derived from populations related to CHG/Iran_Neo, rather than Anatolian Hunter Gatherers (AHG) or Levantine Neolithic Farmers (Leavnt_N). There may be some currency to that theory, especially when one considers the genetic affinities between the Iron Gates Hunter Gatherers and AHG, and that Anatolian Aceramic farmers (AAF) inherit about 10% of their genes from a gene pool related to the CHG/Iran_Neo. This has has been demonstrated in the Y-DNA of some EEF samples. R17 and R19, two samples from the Neolithic site at Ripabianca di Monterado, Marche, Italy, were determined to carry Y-DNA Haplogroups J2a-PreY29673 and J2a-S11842, while I5068 and I5207, two samples from the Linear Pottery Culture in Austria, were found to belong to J2a-Z6048. Y-DNA Haplogroup J2a-Z6055 has been found in two EEF samples, I5078 from the Sopot MN in Croatia, and I1902/FEB3a from the Lengyel LN, in Hungary. All of these samples had minor amounts of CHG/Iran_N-related ancestry, and I believe the "Iceman" Otzi had minor amounts of CHG/Iran_N ancestry as well. This would mean that all Europeans have CHG/Iran_N-related ancestry from ANF/EEF, and not just from Western Steppe Herders (WSH). The Levant Neolithic ancestry found in ACF, also means that all Europeans have Levant_N/Natufian ancestry via ANF/EEF correct, or am I mistaken?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Johnson View Post
    I have seen some argue that the G2a in Early European Farmers (EFF)/Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (ANF), is derived from populations related to CHG/Iran_Neo, rather than Anatolian Hunter Gatherers (AHG) or Levantine Neolithic Farmers (Leavnt_N). There may be some currency to that theory, especially when one considers the genetic affinities between the Iron Gates Hunter Gatherers and AHG, and that Anatolian Aceramic farmers (AAF) inherit about 10% of their genes from a gene pool related to the CHG/Iran_Neo. This has has been demonstrated in the Y-DNA of some EEF samples. R17 and R19, two samples from the Neolithic site at Ripabianca di Monterado, Marche, Italy, were determined to carry Y-DNA Haplogroups J2a-PreY29673 and J2a-S11842, while I5068 and I5207, two samples from the Linear Pottery Culture in Austria, were found to belong to J2a-Z6048. Y-DNA Haplogroup J2a-Z6055 has been found in two EEF samples, I5078 from the Sopot MN in Croatia, and I1902/FEB3a from the Lengyel LN, in Hungary. All of these samples had minor amounts of CHG/Iran_N-related ancestry, and I believe the "Iceman" Otzi had minor amounts of CHG/Iran_N ancestry as well. This would mean that all Europeans have CHG/Iran_N-related ancestry from ANF/EEF, and not just from Western Steppe Herders (WSH). The Levant Neolithic ancestry found in ACF, also means that all Europeans have Levant_N/Natufian ancestry via ANF/EEF correct, or am I mistaken?
    That small but not negligible gene flow from the Levant, Caucasia and the Zagros/Iranian Plateau, which also explains how J2a, J2b and E1b1b were present in Neolithic Europe even when the Near Eastern influx was still virtually only ANF, can also be noticed even in a basic ancestry model using averaged genetic coordinates from the Global25 database. The fits are not very good (~4.8-6.5% except for the Boncuklu ANF, which displays a much lower and reasonable genetic distance), but I think they point, even if without much precision, to a reality.

    Target: Levant_PPNC
    Distance: 6.1629% / 0.06162869 | R5P
    60.2 Levant_Natufian
    39.8 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG (AHG)

    Target: Levant_PPNB_contam
    Distance: 5.4041% / 0.05404055 | R5P
    56.6 Levant_Natufian
    43.4 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG

    Target: Levant_PPNB

    Distance: 5.0305% / 0.05030543 | R5P
    57.6 Levant_Natufian
    42.4 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG

    Target: TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    Distance: 5.5290% / 0.05528991 | R5P
    71.4 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG
    15.4 Levant_Natufian
    13.2 GEO_CHG


    Target: TUR_Kumtepe_N
    Distance: 6.4517% / 0.06451701 | R5P
    75.4 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG
    9.4 IRN_Belt_Cave_Mesolithic_low_res
    8.8 GEO_CHG
    6.4 Levant_Natufian


    Target: TUR_Boncuklu_N
    Distance: 2.9586% / 0.02958591 | R5P
    92.4 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG
    4.8 IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_low_res
    2.8 GEO_CHG


    Target: TUR_Barcin_N
    Distance: 4.8313% / 0.04831264 | R5P
    92.0 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG
    4.4 Levant_Natufian
    3.6 GEO_CHG


    Target: IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    Distance: 6.6560% / 0.06656007 | R5P
    93.2 IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso
    5.4 IRN_Belt_Cave_Meso_low_res
    1.4 GEO_CHG

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    So there is legit Levant_N admixture in all EEFs then. Off topic. What is your view of the A1 and E1a samples found in Europe, in Sweden, Finland, Sardinia, Sicily, England, Scotland, Ireland, Poland, and Russia even. I think that both are Neolithic markers of some kind related to Ancestral North Africans, or a hypothetical Ancestral East African population, these populations being branches of humanity that split off before the main dispersal of AMH into Eurasian 60-70k ybp. There is some unexplained link to Basal Eurasians too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Johnson View Post
    So there is legit Levant_N admixture in all EEFs then. Off topic. What is your view of the A1 and E1a samples found in Europe, in Sweden, Finland, Sardinia, Sicily, England, Scotland, Ireland, Poland, and Russia even. I think that both are Neolithic markers of some kind related to Ancestral North Africans, or a hypothetical Ancestral East African population, these populations being branches of humanity that split off before the main dispersal of AMH into Eurasian 60-70k ybp. There is some unexplained link to Basal Eurasians too.
    only time will tell and ancient dna
    to back it up
    i don't know about
    A1 and e1a ( to me personally they look like roman or carthaginian influnce )

    about a3b2-m13
    he is different and look to me like trans -med migration from north africa
    but old enough neolithic

    that will explain cases in yfull from sardinia to far away poland :
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/A-V2667/

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/A-FGC38299/

    here is an interesting paper :

    https://genomebiology.biomedcentral....059-018-1393-5


    Outside Africa, both A3-M13 and R-V88 harbour sub-lineages geographically restricted to the island of Sardinia and both seem to indicate ancient trans-Mediterranean contacts. The phylogeography of A3-M13 suggests that the direction of the movement was from Africa to Sardinia, while R-V88 topology indicates a Europe-to-Africa migration. Indeed, our data suggest a European origin of R-V88 about 12.3 kya, considering both the presence of two Sardinian R-V88 basal clades (R-M18 and R-V35) and that the V88 marker arose in the R-M343 background, which in turn includes Near-Eastern/European lineages [52]. It is worth noting that the arrival of R-V88 in the Sahara seems to have occurred between 8.67 and 7.85 kya (considering as an upper limit the time estimates of the last node including a European-specific lineage, while the lower limit is the coalescence age of all the African-specific lineages), refining the time frame of the trans-Saharan migration proposed in previous studies [37, 56]. The route of R-V88 toward the lake Chad basin probably passed through northeastern Africa rather than Arabia, considering the absence of R-V88 in the Horn of Africa. Interestingly, both A3-M13 and R-V88 European sub-clades coalesced in ancient times (> 7.62 kya for A3-M13/V2742 and between 12.34 and 8.67 kya for R-V88/M18 and R-V88/V35) (Additional file 2: Figures S2 and S5). So it is possible that both clades were widespread in southern Europe, where they have been replaced by the Y haplogroups brought by the following recurrent migration waves from Asia




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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    only time will tell and ancient dna
    to back it up
    i don't know about
    A1 and e1a ( to me personally they look like roman or carthaginian influnce )

    about a3b2-m13
    he is different and look to me like trans -med migration from north africa
    but old enough neolithic

    that will explain cases in yfull from sardinia to far away poland :
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/A-V2667/

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/A-FGC38299/

    here is an interesting paper :

    https://genomebiology.biomedcentral....059-018-1393-5


    Outside Africa, both A3-M13 and R-V88 harbour sub-lineages geographically restricted to the island of Sardinia and both seem to indicate ancient trans-Mediterranean contacts. The phylogeography of A3-M13 suggests that the direction of the movement was from Africa to Sardinia, while R-V88 topology indicates a Europe-to-Africa migration. Indeed, our data suggest a European origin of R-V88 about 12.3 kya, considering both the presence of two Sardinian R-V88 basal clades (R-M18 and R-V35) and that the V88 marker arose in the R-M343 background, which in turn includes Near-Eastern/European lineages [52]. It is worth noting that the arrival of R-V88 in the Sahara seems to have occurred between 8.67 and 7.85 kya (considering as an upper limit the time estimates of the last node including a European-specific lineage, while the lower limit is the coalescence age of all the African-specific lineages), refining the time frame of the trans-Saharan migration proposed in previous studies [37, 56]. The route of R-V88 toward the lake Chad basin probably passed through northeastern Africa rather than Arabia, considering the absence of R-V88 in the Horn of Africa. Interestingly, both A3-M13 and R-V88 European sub-clades coalesced in ancient times (> 7.62 kya for A3-M13/V2742 and between 12.34 and 8.67 kya for R-V88/M18 and R-V88/V35) (Additional file 2: Figures S2 and S5). So it is possible that both clades were widespread in southern Europe, where they have been replaced by the Y haplogroups brought by the following recurrent migration waves from Asia



    Very interesting thanks, I find it interesting that the only places in Africa where A is widespread is in eastern Africa, and to a lesser extent southwest Africa. There is a slight link with R1b-V88. I wonder if A will be found in Epipaleolithic North Africa, maybe in the Ancestral North African ancestry of the Iberomaurusians. Who knows, we need more ancient DNA from African and West Asia in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    It would be nice to get hold of these new Neolithic samples.

    Here they are:

    Dodecad K12b

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    Anatolian_N:Ash002,0,1.94,6.33,0,37.51,0,0,1.25,12.09,0,40.88,0
    Anatolian_N:Ash033,0,0,6.1,0,25.48,0,0,1.58,23.08,0,43.75,0
    Anatolian_N:Ash040,0,0,9.16,0,37.94,0,0,0,2.73,0,46.45,3.73
    Anatolian_N:Ash128,0,0,3.15,0.49,40.66,4.48,0,0.49,10.35,0.57,36.38,3.44
    Anatolian_N:Ash129,0,0,4.95,0.64,44.13,0.19,0,0,8.97,0.74,39.08,1.29
    Anatolian_N:Ash131,0,0,4.59,0,45.65,0.42,0,0,11.35,0,37.99,0
    Anatolian_N:Ash133,0,0,2.3,0.55,43.73,4.22,0,1,10.43,0,36.62,1.15
    Anatolian_N:Ash136,0,0,3.54,0,42.23,0.19,0,0,12.28,0,38.05,3.71
    Anatolian_N:CCH144,0.25,0,2.92,0,29.41,0,0,0,17.31,0.38,47.4,2.33
    Anatolian_N:CCH163,0,1.43,3.99,0,41.17,0,0,0,13.58,0,39.81,0
    Anatolian_N:CCH285,0,0,6.23,0,47.83,0,0,0.25,12.72,0,31.83,1.14
    Anatolian_N:CCH289,0,0,3.5,0,37.83,0,0,0,14.97,1.39,41.06,1.26
    Anatolian_N:CCH290,0,0,1.17,1.6,45.08,0,0,2.05,0,0,49.79,0.31
    Anatolian_N:CCH294,0,0.03,6.54,0,33.4,0,0,2.59,15.09,0,42.13,0.21
    Anatolian_N:CCH311,0,0,1.74,0,44.32,0,0,1.06,15.76,0,35.78,1.34
    Anatolian_N:cth006,0,0,4.77,0,27.06,0,0,1.51,33.04,0,33.62,0
    Anatolian_N:cth217,0,0,0,0,40.55,0,0,0,16.71,0,42.73,0
    Anatolian_N:cth728,0,2.85,0,0,36.45,0,0,0,14.9,0,45.3,0.49
    Anatolian_N:cth739,0,0,0.52,0.8,37.47,0,0,1.24,14.55,0.16,43.76,1.49
    Anatolian_N:cth747,0,0,0,0,33.04,2.77,0,1.23,15.25,0.45,47.27,0
    Anatolian_N:cth842,0,0,0,6.83,49.59,0,0,1.68,5.4,0,36.5,0
    Anatolian_N:pch034,0,0,0.64,0.09,36.89,0,0,0,16.99,0,43.91,1.48

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    Distance to: Jovialis
    20.11626456 Anatolian_N:Ash128
    21.99068439 Anatolian_N:Ash133
    23.41107217 Anatolian_N:CCH294
    23.41879160 Anatolian_N:Ash002
    23.81781056 Anatolian_N:CCH289
    24.19871691 Anatolian_N:cth747
    24.43856379 Anatolian_N:Ash136
    24.49771418 Anatolian_N:CCH163
    24.94076382 Anatolian_N:cth739
    25.36733727 Anatolian_N:pch034
    25.49868428 Anatolian_N:Ash129
    25.62431072 Anatolian_N:cth728
    25.67385440 Anatolian_N:CCH311
    25.94644484 Anatolian_N:Ash131
    26.09467379 Anatolian_N:CCH144
    26.12457272 Anatolian_N:cth217
    26.92346374 Anatolian_N:Ash033
    27.19030342 Anatolian_N:CCH285
    27.69969494 Anatolian_N:Ash040
    29.79260982 Anatolian_N:cth842
    30.54109035 Anatolian_N:cth006
    32.50674392 Anatolian_N:CCH290

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Johnson View Post
    So there is legit Levant_N admixture in all EEFs then. Off topic. What is your view of the A1 and E1a samples found in Europe, in Sweden, Finland, Sardinia, Sicily, England, Scotland, Ireland, Poland, and Russia even. I think that both are Neolithic markers of some kind related to Ancestral North Africans, or a hypothetical Ancestral East African population, these populations being branches of humanity that split off before the main dispersal of AMH into Eurasian 60-70k ybp. There is some unexplained link to Basal Eurasians too.
    E1a maybe yes, but A1 is not related to Ancestral North Africans who were quite different on look/phenotype from both SSA and Eurasians. They took their own evolutionary path.

    Remember the Shum Laka from Western Africa were not even A, some A00, which means deeper Y-DNA lineage than A yet undetected in modern humans. Yet, Shum Laka must have contributed some degree of autosomal to SSA.

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    Dodecad G13:

    Code:
    Anatolian_N:Ash002,2.69,0.59,0,0,18.16,0,56.31,0,0,14.96,4.78,0,2.51
    Anatolian_N:Ash033,0,0,0,2.35,34.69,0,43.17,0,0.41,19.37,0.01,0,0
    Anatolian_N:Ash040,0,0,3.58,0,18.28,0,58.15,0,0,15.64,3.82,0,0.53
    Anatolian_N:Ash128,0.41,0,4.48,0.14,15.31,0.62,51.91,0.38,0,16.09,10.38,0,0.27
    Anatolian_N:Ash129,0,0,2.03,0.34,15.16,1.32,57.54,0.31,0,15.99,7.32,0,0
    Anatolian_N:Ash131,0,0,0,0.82,14.33,0,60.92,0,0.67,15.93,6.55,0.79,0
    Anatolian_N:Ash133,0,0,2.04,0,15.87,0.61,54.87,0.5,0.03,14.14,11.35,0,0.58
    Anatolian_N:Ash136,0,0,5.52,0,17.24,0,54.38,0,0.13,14.35,8.37,0,0
    Anatolian_N:CCH144,0,0,0.7,0.78,24.42,0,45.84,1.18,0,26.72,0.36,0,0
    Anatolian_N:CCH163,1.62,0,0.57,0,22.29,0,56.07,0,0,11.05,8.39,0,0
    Anatolian_N:CCH285,0,0,3.22,0,19.16,0,60.51,0,0,13.45,3.66,0,0
    Anatolian_N:CCH289,0,0,1.48,0,25.78,0,52.54,3.12,0.27,16.81,0,0,0
    Anatolian_N:CCH290,0,0,1.35,0,12.46,0,67.95,0,2.35,15.22,0.67,0,0
    Anatolian_N:CCH294,0,0,1.89,0,23.58,0,53.3,0.11,0.79,18.69,0,0,1.64
    Anatolian_N:CCH311,0,0,2.25,0,19.61,0,53.79,0,0,19.34,5.01,0,0
    Anatolian_N:cth006,0,0,0,2.46,37.04,0,47.46,1.01,0,11.27,0.75,0,0
    Anatolian_N:cth217,0,0,0,0.7,26.06,0,54.31,0.08,0,14.26,4.59,0,0
    Anatolian_N:cth728,1.96,0.19,0,1.8,20.17,0,56.42,1.13,0,17,1.33,0,0
    Anatolian_N:cth739,0,0,2.45,0.14,20.48,0,55,0.66,1.68,18.95,0,0,0.65
    Anatolian_N:cth747,0,0,1.2,0,23.56,0.92,46.37,0,0,22.58,5.37,0,0
    Anatolian_N:cth842,0,0,0,0,22.08,0,57.71,0,3.58,12.41,3.25,0,0.96
    Anatolian_N:pch034,0,0,1.35,0.79,23.75,0,49.25,1.09,0,18.07,5.71,0,0

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    2 members found this post helpful.
    Dodecad K12b

    Code:
    Anatolian_N_(n=22),0.011363636,0.284090909,3.279090909,0.5,38.97363636,0.557727273,0,0.724090909,13.525,0.167727273,40.91318182,1.062272727
    Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5),0.00,1.08,65.59,1.69,0.04,0.06,1.11,18.93,5.54,0.05,0.00,5.90
    Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21),0.00,0.57,0.00,0.74,30.90,65.73,0.38,0.08,0.00,0.02,0.00,1.57
    Yamna_culture_(n=16),27.42,2.50,0.00,0.12,3.38,57.21,1.90,0.04,0.00,0.00,6.77,0.68
    Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2),42.18,0.57,0.00,0.00,0.00,4.35,0.28,0.00,0.00,0.00,50.61,2.03
    Here is a source population test I made using key sample cohorts from Maciamo's ancient ethnicity checker, and a aggregate of these Anatolian_N samples I made.

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    Distance to: Jovialis
    23.48044718 Anatolian_N_(n=22)
    51.09580805 Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    57.87433801 Yamna_culture_(n=16)
    59.47045569 Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)
    80.93197699 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)



    Even the two-way analysis is a good fit:


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    2 members found this post helpful.
    Jovialis: Nice work (as usual!). My results using data from post #22

    Distance to: PalermoTrapani_Combined
    19.54383953 Anatolian_N_(n=22)
    53.01583914 Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    62.07537193 Yamna_culture_(n=16)
    62.70694938 Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)
    79.91104992 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)


    Distance to: PalermoTrapani_Combined
    3.44372746 76.40% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 23.60% Yamna_culture_(n=16)
    10.09976416 78.80% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 21.20% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)
    16.92748007 83.80% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 16.20% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    17.54524285 90.00% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 10.00% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
    32.72346647 43.80% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 56.20% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    44.48248853 30.20% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 69.80% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    45.15254199 39.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 60.60% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    50.14700840 37.60% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 62.40% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)
    52.32669806 35.60% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 64.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16)
    59.01775930 47.60% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 52.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16)


    Target: PalermoTrapani_Combined
    Distance: 3.1110% / 3.11097674 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    75.2 Anatolian_N_(n=22)
    23.0 Yamna_culture_(n=16)
    1.8 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)

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    1 members found this post helpful.
    Distance to: Torziok12b
    35.63839617 Anatolian_N_(n=22)
    44.48810515 Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)
    50.69296401 Yamna_culture_(n=16)
    63.25287029 Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    83.94777960 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)



    Distance to: Torziok12b
    7.68250060 55.80% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 44.20% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)
    14.38151946 59.80% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 40.20% Yamna_culture_(n=16)
    24.72679905 61.20% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 38.80% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    34.23026843 88.60% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 11.40% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
    34.89292367 88.00% Anatolian_N_(n=22) + 12.00% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    37.09479092 24.60% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 75.40% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)
    42.57272248 68.00% Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21) + 32.00% Yamna_culture_(n=16)
    44.08610484 64.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16) + 35.60% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    45.16134074 24.60% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 75.40% Yamna_culture_(n=16)
    54.78189964 33.20% Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5) + 66.80% Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)


    Target: Torziok12b
    Distance: 6.1233% / 6.12334837
    51.8 Anatolian_N_(n=22)
    38.2 Mesolithic_West_Europeans_(WHG)_(n=21)
    6.5 Yamna_culture_(n=16)
    3.5 Epipaleolithic_Mesolithic_Caucasus_(CHG)_(n=2)
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4p
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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