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    Quote Originally Posted by real expert View Post

    I didn‘t misinterpret the authors' claims but quoted their conclusion straight from the paper. Plus, I didn't mention pale skin at all. So, where did I claim, that CA or BA Italians were pale-skinned? I politely ask you to stop putting words in my mouth. And we already had a discussion about BA Greek paper where we came to the conclusion that "dark" in that context isn't that dark, and that dark to black doesn't translate into SSA complexion. Besides, I just wanted to point out that blond hair and blue eyes were not uncommon in Italy even during the BA. That's all.
    Real Expert, there are 46 samples from Bronze Age Italy, including the mainland, Sicily and Sardinia. Of those 46 samples, 4 are blond or dark blonde and blue eyed and they're all from Sardinia. None from the mainland, and none from Sicily.

    That, to me, doesn't equal blonde hair and blue eyes were not uncommon in Italy during the Bronze Age.

    If you want to interpret it that way, that's your prerogative, although I think it gives the wrong impression.

    In the Iron Age, to complete the story, we have one blue eyed blonde.

    We have more blue eyed dark haired people. We still do. It's really a "not uncommon" phenotype in Italy. I can't put my hands on the paper right now, but a very large percentage of Italians, especially in the north, carry one blue eyed gene. Even the percentage of people with actual "light eyes" is significant.


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    @Jovialis,

    The raw data for these samples is available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaska View Post
    Im sorry but Afanasievo I6222 is a garbage sample, you have to keep looking
    You cannot deny that Afanasievo I6222+ and Corded Ware L51+ Italian L51+ are related to Yamnaya L23+ I0443.
    https://labs.icb.ufmg.br/lbem/pdf/Ba...owlandAsia.pdf
    page 9 L23+ neither L51+ or Z2105+

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7165176/
    Overall, although non-significant the results suggested a trend where the four groups share more genetic drift with Russia_Afanasievo than with Yamnaya and Groups I, II and III share more genetic drift with Poland_CW than with Russian_Afanasievo (Table S14 & Fig. S20). This pattern was also mirrored by the f2-statistics.
    H. event.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Silesian View Post
    You cannot deny that Afanasievo I6222+ and Corded Ware L51+ Italian L51+ are related to Yamnaya L23+ I0443.
    https://labs.icb.ufmg.br/lbem/pdf/Ba...owlandAsia.pdf
    page 9 L23+ neither L51+ or Z2105+

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7165176/
    Related? yeah, but I'm afraid you didn't read the link you sent because Balanovsky expressly says this;

    The resulting phylogenetic tree (Fig. 4a) demonstrates that haplogroup R-L23 splits into two main branches, R-L51 and R-GG400. The former includes West Europeans, while the latter comprises exclusively representatives of East European populations. Both branches are of similar age: around 6 thousand years (Fig. 4a). Note that members of this eastern branch R-GG400 came mainly from the steppe area of East Europe.

    The currently available dataset does not contradict the hypothesis that R-GG400 marks a link between the East European steppe dwellers and West Asians, though the route and even direction of this migration is disputable. It does, however, demonstrate that present-day West European R1b chromosomes do not originate from the Yamnaya populations analyzed in (Haak et al. 2015; Mathieson et al. 2015) and raises the question of their origin

    Regarding the paper on the CWC in Poland these samples belong to the late phase of that culture (2,400 BC), the Swiss L51 (MX310, MX304 and Asch25) are 300 years earlier and two of them are Neolithic farmers with hardly any steppe ancestry. Then the link between Afanasievo and those samples should be checked, you have to look at the female markers, because most of the CWC mitochondrial markers in Poland are from the steppe (Afanasievo, Yamnaya etc...)

    Example-Afanasievo-Yamnaya-CWC Germany

    Mit-U5a1/a1-Althausen-Found in the Afanasievo culture (River Kuyum-3,127 BC) and in the Yamnaya culture (Lopatino, Samara, Russia 3,115 BC)-This lineage was incorporated into the CWC and later into the BBC-Germany-(Augsburg-2,266 BC/Weichering-2,250 BC) and England (Windmill Fields-2,085 BC).

    But don't worry, there are many researchers looking for L51 in the steppes for years, they will surely find it sooner or later, meanwhile saying that this marker or its descendants P310>L151>P312 are of steppe origin doesn't make much sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Real Expert, there are 46 samples from Bronze Age Italy, including the mainland, Sicily and Sardinia. Of those 46 samples, 4 are blond or dark blonde and blue eyed and they're all from Sardinia. None from the mainland, and none from Sicily.

    That, to me, doesn't equal blonde hair and blue eyes were not uncommon in Italy during the Bronze Age.

    If you want to interpret it that way, that's your prerogative, although I think it gives the wrong impression.

    In the Iron Age, to complete the story, we have one blue eyed blonde.

    We have more blue eyed dark haired people. We still do. It's really a "not uncommon" phenotype in Italy. I can't put my hands on the paper right now, but a very large percentage of Italians, especially in the north, carry one blue eyed gene. Even the percentage of people with actual "light eyes" is significant.

    You have a point here. I used sloppy, loose wording since to me Sardinia is Italy. And when I said blond hair wasn‘t uncommon in BA Italy, I meant that is not impossible for ancient Italians to be blond. Next time I´ll try to be more precise in my usage of language. Anyways, it's a bit ironic that the researchers found in Sardinia that today has the lowest frequency of blond hair and blue eyes compared to other Italian regions, the only blond blue-eyed BA individuals. Plus, it is intriguing that blond hair and/or blue eyes weren't paired with pale skin among these BA individuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaska View Post
    Related? yeah, but I'm afraid you didn't read the link you sent because Balanovsky expressly says this;

    The resulting phylogenetic tree (Fig. 4a) demonstrates that haplogroup R-L23 splits into two main branches, R-L51 and R-GG400. The former includes West Europeans, while the latter comprises exclusively representatives of East European populations. Both branches are of similar age: around 6 thousand years (Fig. 4a). Note that members of this eastern branch R-GG400 came mainly from the steppe area of East Europe.

    The currently available dataset does not contradict the hypothesis that R-GG400 marks a link between the East European steppe dwellers and West Asians, though the route and even direction of this migration is disputable. It does, however, demonstrate that present-day West European R1b chromosomes do not originate from the Yamnaya populations analyzed in (Haak et al. 2015; Mathieson et al. 2015) and raises the question of their origin

    Regarding the paper on the CWC in Poland these samples belong to the late phase of that culture (2,400 BC), the Swiss L51 (MX310, MX304 and Asch25) are 300 years earlier and two of them are Neolithic farmers with hardly any steppe ancestry. Then the link between Afanasievo and those samples should be checked, you have to look at the female markers, because most of the CWC mitochondrial markers in Poland are from the steppe (Afanasievo, Yamnaya etc...)

    Example-Afanasievo-Yamnaya-CWC Germany

    Mit-U5a1/a1-Althausen-Found in the Afanasievo culture (River Kuyum-3,127 BC) and in the Yamnaya culture (Lopatino, Samara, Russia 3,115 BC)-This lineage was incorporated into the CWC and later into the BBC-Germany-(Augsburg-2,266 BC/Weichering-2,250 BC) and England (Windmill Fields-2,085 BC).

    But don't worry, there are many researchers looking for L51 in the steppes for years, they will surely find it sooner or later, meanwhile saying that this marker or its descendants P310>L151>P312 are of steppe origin doesn't make much sense.
    Who knows what surprises, maybe they will release some basal R1b-L51+ results from central Europe, in the conference this June; maybe Yamnaya?
    Exciting, for those of us related even indirectly, L51+

    Sometimes I wonder if there is a connection with Kernosovskiy idol and Swiss stone stelae?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    @Jovialis,

    The raw data for these samples is available.
    I hope to do it asap, I have so much on my plate right now, it might as well be thanksgiving dinner. lol

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    Hmm, strangely the samples do not populate, I've tried several different browsers:



    I will continue to monitor the study, to see if they do eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Hmm, strangely the samples do not populate, I've tried several different browsers:



    I will continue to monitor the study, to see if they do eventually.
    I found their statement about it at the very end of the paper and assumed it would lead to usable data. Sorry.

    Perhaps if you e-mailed them?

    Here I am asking you to do something else. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by real expert View Post
    You have a point here. I used sloppy, loose wording since to me Sardinia is Italy. And when I said blond hair wasn‘t uncommon in BA Italy, I meant that is not impossible for ancient Italians to be blond. Next time I´ll try to be more precise in my usage of language. Anyways, it's a bit ironic that the researchers found in Sardinia that today has the lowest frequency of blond hair and blue eyes compared to other Italian regions, the only blond blue-eyed BA individuals. Plus, it is intriguing that blond hair and/or blue eyes weren't paired with pale skin among these BA individuals.
    Yes, it's all very intriguing.

    We don't have a lot of samples, though, and none from the western, Mediterranean side, so maybe more light haired and light eyed people will turn up then.

    This is what I meant. Go to these links and you'll see that indeed light eyed Italians are pretty common in my parts of Italy. Neither my brother or I got those traits, although my father was fair haired until his thirties, and had green eyes. Indeed, both his parents and all 11 siblings were light eyed, although some had fair hair, some red hair like my grandfather, and a few had brownish red hair. I think part of it was founder effect in a small isolated mountain village. At least that's what Cavalli-Sforza thought when he studied the Val Parma and Val Cedra.

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...astern+Liguria

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...ople+Appennino

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    I think the Polada culture might be a good candidate for the new arrivals from north of the Alps. (approximately 2200 to 1500 BC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polada_culture

    A bit further south in Emilia there is the Terramare culture which is Middle Bronze Age. It would be great to have samples from there as well to see if they are different both in origin, coming perhaps from southern France, or just more admixed? (1700–1150 B C)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terramare_culture

    These cultures also fell perhaps because of climate change, over use of the earth, and/or more migration from the north? It's too early for Gauls entering northern Italy and no culture took the place of the Terramare in Emilia so perhaps no new migration was involved. Emilia would then be the product, I suppose of Gauls and Latins.

    This is from Wiki, so not the last word.

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    Around 1200 BC a serious crisis began for the Terramare culture that within a few years led to the abandonment of all the settlements; the reasons for this crisis, roughly contemporaneous with the Late Bronze Age collapse in the eastern Mediterranean, are still not entirely clear. It seems possible that in the face of an incipient overpopulation (between 150,000 and 200,000 individuals were calculated) and depletion of natural resources, a series of drought periods led to a deep economic crisis, famine, and consequently the disruption of the political order, which caused the collapse of society. Around 1150 BC the TerramareTwere completely abandoned, with no settlements replacing them. The plains, especially in the area of Emilia, were abandoned for several centuries, and only in the Roman era they regain the density of population reached during the Terramare period.It has been suggested that the memory of the fate of the Terramare culture may have lasted for centuries, until it was recorded by Dionysius of Halicarnassus, in his first book on the Roman Antiquities, as the fate of the Pelasgians. In his record the Pelasgians occupied the Po Valley up to two generations before the Trojan War, but were forced, by a series of famines of which they could not understand the reason, nor to which find a solution, to leave their once-fertile land and move to the south, where they merged with the Aborigines.[10]"

    Well, I certainly doubt they were Pelasgians.

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    The Terramare are the result of the colonization of the Po Plain by people coming from the Polada area, north Western Italy, from the Appenninic culture and probably from the Pannonian plain. So according to archeology a mixed origin

    In questo momento sembrano convergere verso la pianura padana centrale diverse componenti “culturali”, dall’area palafitticola settentrionale (cultura di Polada), dall’ambito peninsulare (facies di Grotta Nuova), dall’area occidentale (Piemonte meridionale, Pavese, Liguria), e forse anche dall’area danubiana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Yes, it's all very intriguing.

    We don't have a lot of samples, though, and none from the western, Mediterranean side, so maybe more light haired and light eyed people will turn up then.

    This is what I meant. Go to these links and you'll see that indeed light eyed Italians are pretty common in my parts of Italy. Neither my brother or I got those traits, although my father was fair haired until his thirties, and had green eyes. Indeed, both his parents and all 11 siblings were light eyed, although some had fair hair, some red hair like my grandfather, and a few had brownish red hair. I think part of it was founder effect in a small isolated mountain village. At least that's what Cavalli-Sforza thought when he studied the Val Parma and Val Cedra.

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...astern+Liguria

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...ople+Appennino

    Let‘s speculate just for fun here. Do you expect that more predictions for pale skin will show up in possible Iron or BA Italy studies? Actually, the phenotype prediction for BA or CA Italy is not completely unexpected, although I thought to see more of the intermediate to pale category. The phenotype results for BA Italy I expected for BA Greece, too. On the contrary, BA Aegaens turned out to be even darker than BA Jordans that are genetically very close to modern Arab Bedouins. In terms of unusual pairing.
    I have seen "ghostly white" Irish folks with very dark brown nearly black-looking hair with blue or brown eyes, too.
    By the way: Do you have any idea what category modern Italians mostly score on HIrisPlex S?




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    Quote Originally Posted by real expert View Post
    Let‘s speculate just for fun here. Do you expect that more predictions for pale skin will show up in possible Iron or BA Italy studies? Actually, the phenotype prediction for BA or CA Italy is not completely unexpected, although I thought to see more of the intermediate to pale category. The phenotype results for BA Italy I expected for BA Greece, too. On the contrary, BA Aegaens turned out to be even darker than BA Jordans that are genetically very close to modern Arab Bedouins. In terms of unusual pairing.
    I have seen "ghostly white" Irish folks with very dark brown nearly black-looking hair with blue or brown eyes, too.
    By the way: Do you have any idea what category modern Italians mostly score on HIrisPlex S?



    I'm not sure. All of the Iron Age samples are from Central Italy. It's possible that Iron Age samples from much further north will turn out to have more pale people.

    It's odd, isn't it, that there isn't a "very pale" person until Late Antiquity, and who knows if he or she was a local.

    I asked somewhere up thread if anyone knows if the Bell Beaker alleles were all put into the same Hirisplex. It would have to be all the same ones or the comparison wouldn't be valid.

    This is sheer speculation, but perhaps the difference between the Italian and Greek Bronze Age in terms of ***mentation, in addition to the fact that the Greeks had more Caucasus/Iran Neo at that time than the Italians might be because the Indo-Europeans who invaded might have come from different areas?

    Is it possible that the last Yamnaya/Catacomb, whatever, on the steppe who went into Greece also weren't very light, whereas the Bell Beakers (and Corded Ware) mixed with lighter ***mented people from, say, Globular Amphora or areas closer to Cucuteni?

    As I said, just speculation.

    As for Italian results, I really have never asked anyone except my husband, sister-in-law, children etc. I'm predicted by 23andme to be "very pale" but with no freckles. It's like a bottle of milk made flesh. :) In southern Italy they call it mozzarella skin. Even in the mountains of Parma there aren't many people as pale as I am. Yet my hair and eyes are very dark brown. The only people I've seen with that combination are some "Celtic Fringe" types. In Italy, if you're that pale you usually have paler eyes and hair. You can see my picture on my profile. My brother isn't as pale, but has reddish brown hair and lighter brown eyes.

    Michele Dockery:


    The skin of her face is darker because of the make-up, but you can see the actual color of her skin. Without the make-up she'd look like Morticia from "The Adams Family". Every imperfection, every vein shows.

    For me it says "your genetics make you most likely to have lighter skin."

    Fair enough, since 60% of the people with my profile at 23andme report they are "very fair" and I'm derived for both SLC24A4 and 5 and SLC4502

    My husband's is just wrong. It says"your genetics make you most likely to have lighter skin.

    Yet this is how people with his profile at 23andme describe themselves:
    "39% light beige, 24% moderately fair, 16% olive and 15% very fair.. "
    Clearly, people have no idea what they look like. I'd say he's between olive skinned and moderately fair. He is derived for both alleles for the 24A4/5 area, but is heterogeneous for SLC45A2. Btw, he's Calabrian and Neapolitan and has skin like Raoul Bova.

    It gives the same prediction for my daughter, yet her skin is in between that of the two of us.

    As in, people with her profile report 39% moderately fair, 32% very fair, 25% light beige, and 6% olive skin. If I had to describe her skin color I'd say moderately fair to light beige.

    You can't bet on 23andme for traits, clearly. For example, it says she has dark brown hair and yet she was blonde until she was 18 and it's now very light brown. It also predicts wavy hair and it's stick straight baby fine hair. It also says that my husband, who has a pronounced cleft chin, absolutely doesn't have one, and his incredibly thick head of hair is thin!

    You'd have to use Hirisplex to compare to these Italian ancient samples, which would mean hunting through your raw data for all the alleles. I've never cared enough to do it. I know I'm very fair. What I see in the mirror and photos and two hospital visits for blisters and sun poisoning prove it.

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    @Angela,

    I think these upcoming studies if they include phenotype prediction, will seal pretty much the deal in terms of the average phenotype of ancient Romans/Italics:



    Modi Alessandra et al. Genomic and anthropological analysis on the human skeletal remains recovered in the House with Garden in Pompeii, Italy.


    Zaro Valentina et al. Unrevealing the genetic history of Italians: a genome-wide study of Iron Age Italic populations.



    As you said the BA Italy and Greece papers appear to have overthrown certainties. Ötzi a copper Age EEF man is pale but zero BA Italians who are large of ANF/EEF stock as Ötzi, are pale. To me, it's a bit odd, that BA Jordans who were half Natufian (that likely lacked SLC45A2 and SLC24A5) and part Iran Neo, were lighter than BA Greeks who at least carried the derived SLC24A5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post


    This is from Wiki, so not the last word.

    "
    Around 1200 BC a serious crisis began for the Terramare culture that within a few years led to the abandonment of all the settlements; the reasons for this crisis, roughly contemporaneous with the Late Bronze Age collapse in the eastern Mediterranean, are still not entirely clear. It seems possible that in the face of an incipient overpopulation (between 150,000 and 200,000 individuals were calculated) and depletion of natural resources, a series of drought periods led to a deep economic crisis, famine, and consequently the disruption of the political order, which caused the collapse of society. Around 1150 BC the TerramareTwere completely abandoned, with no settlements replacing them. The plains, especially in the area of Emilia, were abandoned for several centuries, and only in the Roman era they regain the density of population reached during the Terramare period.It has been suggested that the memory of the fate of the Terramare culture may have lasted for centuries, until it was recorded by Dionysius of Halicarnassus, in his first book on the Roman Antiquities, as the fate of the Pelasgians. In his record the Pelasgians occupied the Po Valley up to two generations before the Trojan War, but were forced, by a series of famines of which they could not understand the reason, nor to which find a solution, to leave their once-fertile land and move to the south, where they merged with the Aborigines.[10]"

    Well, I certainly doubt they were Pelasgians.
    This paragraph is all based on the speculations of a chapter written 12 years ago by Andrea Cardarelli who teaches Prehistory and Protohistory in Rome. The attempt to reconcile the archaeological record with the accounts of Greek authors has not been taken very seriously in Italy.

    There is also the hypothesis that the population of Terramare, descended from the pile-dwellers of the Alps who assimilated migratory waves of Steppe-related ancestry during the Bronze Age, moved further south and gave life to the Etruscan civilization. Also this hypothesis at the current state is considered indemonstrable.

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    Isnt Haplogroup G related to steppe ancestry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Hmm, strangely the samples do not populate, I've tried several different browsers:



    I will continue to monitor the study, to see if they do eventually.


    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB37660


    ... just a test, ... 1 by 4 locations:

    I'm not sure my apps are fully compatible with these .bam(s), … that's all the samples I'm gonna post :)

    dod k12
    Code:
    BRC003_Dodecad_K12b,1.48,0.00,2.35,1.33,46.70,24.27,0.00,0.00,5.74,0.00,17.40,0.74
    GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b,2.18,0.00,3.15,3.26,44.50,29.77,0.00,0.00,5.27,0.00,11.87,0.00
    GLR001A1_Dodecad_K12b,0.00,1.77,4.40,0.00,58.27,5.15,0.00,0.00,11.05,0.22,17.72,1.41
    LSC002_004_Dodecad_K12b,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,62.94,2.45,0.00,0.00,6.28,0.00,26.23,2.11
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    Code:
    BRC003_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,1.53,0.00,7.15,2.00,46.64,0.00,0.00,6.54,36.15,0.00,0.00
    GCP002A1_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.06,0.56,0.00,7.87,2.46,41.92,0.00,0.36,7.63,39.13,0.00,0.00
    GLR001A1_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,2.04,0.00,13.48,0.00,59.66,0.13,0.96,4.05,19.69,0.00,0.00
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    Very nice Salento. Good job. Many Thanks. It seems that they make available all the samples that was used in the study, I think.

    Playing with the coordinates that you have produced for Dod K12b

    Distance to: Duarte
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    10.11679297 GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b
    26.71058966 GLR001A1_Dodecad_K12b
    33.49170942 LSC002_004_Dodecad_K12b

    Added Global 13 results

    Distance to: Duarte
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    8.60929730 GCP002A1_Dod_Globe13
    22.74697782 GLR001A1_Dod_Globe13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duarte View Post
    Very nice Salento. Good job. Many Thanks. It seems that they make available all the samples that was used in the study, I think.

    Playing with the coordinates that you have produced for Dod K12b

    Distance to: Duarte
    9.78898360 BRC003_Dodecad_K12b
    10.11679297 GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b
    26.71058966 GLR001A1_Dodecad_K12b
    33.49170942 LSC002_004_Dodecad_K12b

    my Laptop is very hot and it’s making a lot of noise, It's turning into a coal and steam-powered device, LOL

    … I had to stop … :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB37660


    ... just a test, ... 1 by 4 locations:

    I'm not sure my apps are fully compatible with these .bam(s), … that's all the samples I'm gonna post :)

    dod k12
    Code:
    BRC003_Dodecad_K12b,1.48,0.00,2.35,1.33,46.70,24.27,0.00,0.00,5.74,0.00,17.40,0.74
    GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b,2.18,0.00,3.15,3.26,44.50,29.77,0.00,0.00,5.27,0.00,11.87,0.00
    GLR001A1_Dodecad_K12b,0.00,1.77,4.40,0.00,58.27,5.15,0.00,0.00,11.05,0.22,17.72,1.41
    LSC002_004_Dodecad_K12b,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,62.94,2.45,0.00,0.00,6.28,0.00,26.23,2.11
    dod k13
    Code:
    BRC003_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,1.53,0.00,7.15,2.00,46.64,0.00,0.00,6.54,36.15,0.00,0.00
    GCP002A1_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.06,0.56,0.00,7.87,2.46,41.92,0.00,0.36,7.63,39.13,0.00,0.00
    GLR001A1_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,2.04,0.00,13.48,0.00,59.66,0.13,0.96,4.05,19.69,0.00,0.00
    LSC002_004_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,1.53,0.15,14.88,0.00,62.80,0.28,0.00,2.48,17.88,0.00,0.00
    I am out of upvotes unfortunately, but great work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrt19 View Post
    Isnt Haplogroup G related to steppe ancestry?
    No brainer, Y-DNA G is related with Anatolian_Neolithic ancestry.

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    My results form Salento's coordinates - post #68

    Dodecad k12b

    Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    16.23555666 BRC003_Dodecad_K12b
    19.21595171 GCP002A1_Dodecad_K12b
    32.83604879 GLR001A1_Dodecad_K12b
    37.20668623 LSC002_004_Dodecad_K12b


    Dodecad Global k13

    Distance to: Dodecad_Glob_13Stuvanè
    13.08876236 GCP002A1_Dod_Globe13
    14.86563487 BRC003_Dod_Globe13
    27.41710597 GLR001A1_Dod_Globe13
    31.35444147 LSC002_004_Dod_Globe13

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    Special thanks to Salento for putting this on my radar:

    Of the 35 samples, these are the ones that processed through Admixture Studio.

    Code:
    utigBRC002,0.87,0,1.36,0,45.47,25.27,2.32,0,4.39,0,18.99,1.33
    utigBRC007_019,3.5,0,1.75,0.58,48.28,18.96,0,0,9.11,0.52,16.2,1.1
    utigBRC010_018,0,0,5.13,0.5,47.79,19.51,0,0,7.86,0,18.69,0.51
    utigBRC011,0,0,0,0,37.8,0,0,0,42.9,0,19.29,0
    utigBRC012,0,15.45,0,0,40.8,0,0,0,43.74,0,0,0
    utigBRC013,0,0,6.28,0,57.75,0,0,0,6.97,0,29,0
    utigBRC022,0,0,0,0.94,62.87,3.14,0,0,10.14,0,22.91,0
    utigBRC024,0,0,0,0,52.32,30.37,0,5.35,0,0,10.84,1.12
    utigGCP002A1,2.18,0,3.15,3.26,44.5,29.77,0,0,5.27,0,11.87,0
    utigGCP003A1,7.58,1.55,0.86,0,49.29,22.95,0,0,4.32,0,13.45,0
    utigGCP004A1,22.15,0,0,0,37.5,23.7,6.64,0,10.01,0,0,0
    utigGLR002A1,0,0,6.65,0,63.81,1.89,0,0,5.79,0,21.86,0
    utigGLR003B1,0,0,9.49,4.97,65.66,0,0,0,0,0,17.94,1.93
    utigLSC002_004,0,0,0,0,62.94,2.45,0,0,6.28,0,26.23,2.11
    utigLSC007A1,0,0,0,0,95.95,0,0,0.6,3.45,0,0,0
    utigLSC011A1,0,0,8.94,0,53.32,7.47,0,0,14.31,0,15.96,0
    utigLSC012A1,0,0,0,0,97.48,0,0,0,0,2.52,0,0

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    Distance to: Jovialis
    24.23364191 utigBRC002
    24.50769063 utigBRC010_018
    25.19881743 utigBRC007_019
    28.33623475 utigGCP003A1
    29.20885140 utigGCP002A1
    32.45145605 utigLSC011A1
    34.79059643 utigBRC013
    36.68286248 utigBRC024
    36.70430492 utigGCP004A1
    38.53500097 utigLSC002_004
    38.62985374 utigBRC022
    40.37478421 utigGLR002A1
    41.38266908 utigBRC011
    45.28618001 utigGLR003B1
    54.02423253 utigBRC012
    76.63677446 utigLSC007A1
    78.36312653 utigLSC012A1

    Not close to any of them.

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