Genetic study Genomes from 82 Etruscans and Southern Italians.(800 BCE – 1,000 CE).

[torzio]

I am leaning towards Perusia for PRZ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perusia

PERU´SIA (Περουσία: Eth. Perusinus: Perugia), one of the most important and powerful cities of [p. 2.580]Etruria, situated nearly on the eastern frontier of that country, on a lofty hill on the right hank of the Tiber, and overlooking the lake of Thrasymene which now derives from it the name of Lago di Perugia. It closely adjoins the frontiers of Umbria, and hence the tradition reported by Servius, that it was originally an Umbrian city, inhabited by the tribe called Sarsinates, is at least a very probable one. (Serv. ad Aen. 10.201.) The same author has, however, preserved to us another tradition, which ascribes the foundation of Perusia to a hero named Auletes, the brother of Ocnus, the reputed founder of Mantua. (Ib. 10.198.) Justin‘s assertion that it was of Achaean origin (20.1) may be safely rejected as a mere fable; but whatever historical value may be attached to the statements of Servius, it seems probable that Perusia, in common with the other chief places in the same part of Etruria, was in the first instance an Umbrian city, and subsequently passed into the hands of the Etruscans, under whom it rose to be a powerful and important city, and one of the chief members of the Etruscan confederacy. It is not till B.C. 310, when the Romans had carried their arms beyond the Ciminian forest, that the name of Perusia is heard of in history; but we are told that at that period it was one of the most powerful cities of Etruria

 

[Salento]

thanks Duarte

… this is going to be fun, besides ETR003, I see also ETR007 … same age, lol

 

[Salento]

I am leaning towards Perusia for PRZ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perusia

… maybe PRZ is a place in Tuscany near Prato, … Prato Zomething … I think.

 

[kingjohn]

Here are all of the coordinates in Dodecad K12b format:

CAM001,1.38,0.19,1.2,0,47.62,24.58,0,0,6.88,0,17.87,0.27
CAM002,4.72,0.03,0,1.59,40.47,34.19,0,0,4.64,0,13.94,0.44
CAM003,0.93,0.04,0.79,0,49.21,23.83,0,0,7,0.18,16.98,1.04
CSN001,0.74,0,1.6,0.73,46.5,23.83,0,0,7.19,0,19.25,0.16
CSN002,0,0.36,0,0,41.12,32.35,0,0,0,0,26.17,0
CSN003,0.97,0.01,2,0,49.14,21.97,1.05,0,7.95,0.53,15.93,0.45
CSN004,1.49,0,2.17,0.71,51.75,19.41,0.13,0,5.2,0,18.21,0.93
CSN005,1.48,0,4.65,0,39.23,28.19,0.65,0,6.11,0.54,19.16,0
CSN006,3.62,0,0,1.53,45.77,24.02,0.29,0,4.9,0,19.6,0.27
CSN007,0,0,0,0.5,50.29,20.45,0,0,10.86,0,17.91,0
CSN008,4.93,0,0,0.4,43.71,27.95,0,0,4.16,0,18.84,0
CSN009,2.52,0,2.03,0,39.86,27.95,0,0,2.52,0.43,23.93,0.75
CSN010,4.43,0.27,3.49,0,40.36,31.59,0,0,5.33,1.81,11.48,1.25
CSN012,7.01,0,10.55,0,41.84,29.45,0,0,0,0,11.15,0
CSN013,4.87,0,0.54,0,45.93,21.96,0.41,0,5.92,0.25,19.55,0.57
ETR003,10.36,0,2.55,0,30.58,19.47,0,0,10.98,0,25.66,0.41
ETR004,17.44,0,0,0,19.59,19.63,0,0,11.7,0,31.64,0
ETR005,2,0,0,1.54,45.54,20.52,0.17,0,9.35,1.02,18.73,1.13
ETR006,3.87,1.22,0,0,39.39,15.01,0,0,12.67,0,26.45,1.39
ETR007,5.51,0,2.37,1.28,30.11,25.01,0,0,8.81,0,26.92,0
ETR010,4.58,0.05,1.08,0.22,37.3,17.15,0.08,0,9.4,0,29.53,0.6
ETR012,17.52,1.96,0,0,41.58,12.98,3.45,0.35,5.74,0,16.42,0
ETR013,6.64,0.06,1.86,0,35.44,14.98,0,0,9.51,0,31.24,0.28
ETR014,3.51,0,2.87,0,27.31,14.86,0.51,0,14.53,0,36.4,0
MAG001,0.84,0,0,0,47.05,24.88,0.37,0.08,3.46,0.47,22.84,0.02
MAS001,7.2,0.84,4.18,0,26.73,30.23,1.6,0.6,6.25,1.12,21.08,0.18
MAS002,6.49,1.52,3.63,0,23.56,7.82,0,0.48,18.33,0.02,38.16,0
MAS003,2.81,0,8.6,1.47,34.71,11.66,0,1.28,11.86,0,26.84,0.76
MAS004,1.12,0,0.85,0,44.63,29.23,0,0,1.36,1.35,21.46,0
POP001,4.72,0.15,0.86,0,35.02,19.76,0,0,8.74,1.36,28.84,0.55
PRZ001,1.55,0.11,0,0,48.41,23.78,0,0,6.08,0.13,19.22,0.71
PRZ002,0,0,2.6,0.54,47.1,27.43,0,0,4.06,1.06,17.2,0
TAQ001,2.36,0,4.12,0.57,47.15,23.95,0,0,4.6,0,17.25,0
TAQ002,0,0,1.15,0.26,46.51,23.88,0,0,5.81,0,21.27,1.12
TAQ003,5.6,0,2.14,1.3,29.31,17.09,0.1,0.93,11.36,0,31.59,0.58
TAQ004,1.71,0.66,0.95,0.36,48.5,23.89,0,0,5.59,0,17.87,0.48
TAQ005,1.39,0.44,5.14,0,46.29,17.75,0.22,0.33,8.86,0.41,18.68,0.49
TAQ006,1.18,0,3.59,0,42.96,25.05,0.15,0,2.83,0,24.24,0
TAQ007,3.25,0.65,8.19,0,33.36,6.55,0.82,0,13.72,0.07,31.87,1.52
TAQ008,4.27,1.3,0.28,0.84,49.67,21.5,0,0,3.99,0,17.53,0.63
TAQ009,4.13,0.23,2.43,0.82,33.16,19.69,0.14,0,9.54,0,28.81,1.06
TAQ010,0,0,1.32,0.05,48.43,24.81,0.71,0,4.04,0,20.41,0.24
TAQ011,6.51,0.15,1.38,0.03,33.17,19.02,0,1.09,10.21,0,27.5,0.96
TAQ012,3.32,0,1.79,0,51.8,17.96,0.72,0,7.3,0,16.79,0.33
TAQ013,2.83,1.64,1.78,0,46.46,21.33,0,0,6.68,0,19.04,0.23
TAQ015,1.72,0,2.42,0,46.31,21.99,0,0,6.46,0.63,19.66,0.81
TAQ016,2.43,0,1.67,0,46.91,24.12,0.84,0,5.34,0,18.06,0.63
TAQ017,4.08,0,1.96,0,48.92,20.11,0,0,5.6,0,19.12,0.21
TAQ018,0,0,0.47,0,48.53,20.84,0.43,0,6.5,1.43,20.91,0.89
TAQ019,0.49,0,2.18,0,47.66,24.5,0.17,0,5.48,0.04,19.27,0.21
TAQ020,9.02,0.66,1.49,0.5,34.13,18.73,0.12,0,7.43,0,27.92,0
TAQ021,3.74,0,2.51,0,33.22,11.47,2.01,0,12.62,0,34.44,0
TAQ022,5.66,0,2.84,0,34.54,19.74,2.22,0,6.34,0,28.11,0.54
TAQ023,0.11,0,9.86,0,38.6,11.68,0.88,1.34,10.18,0,26.04,1.31
TAQ024,1.55,0.2,4.01,0.27,46.92,21.83,0,0.36,4.57,0,20.29,0
UDC_P,0,0,4.31,0,52.14,29.39,0,0,0.89,0,13.22,0.04
VEN001,5.14,0,3.87,0.01,28.18,17.6,0,0,11.33,2.38,29.77,1.73
VEN002,2.79,8.01,0,12.59,16.3,9.93,3.89,0.01,6.34,27.43,12.71,0
VEN005,6.66,0,4.28,1.53,32.55,10.92,0,0,10.86,0.37,32.83,0
VEN006,8.51,0.54,5.29,0.22,27.14,16.32,0,0,9.76,1.99,30.08,0.16
VEN008,4.55,6.58,0,0,36.17,16.54,2.72,0,8.77,0,23.04,1.63
VEN009,4.96,0,10.9,0.28,29.02,16.26,0,3.03,6.57,0,28.99,0
VEN010,16.14,0,2.12,1.09,37.1,15.42,0,0.05,13.2,0,14.88,0
VEN012,2.86,0,1.41,0.17,24.58,14.71,0,1.75,12.7,5.77,36.03,0.03
VEN013,7.7,0,5.12,0,28.43,14.81,0,0,10.94,1.22,30.32,1.45
VEN014,12.68,0,5.83,0,33.04,0,0,0.24,17.71,1.35,28.74,0.42
VEN015,7.16,0,3.85,0.73,28.62,13.96,0.39,0,13.73,0,30.9,0.64
VEN016,6.56,0,6.02,0,25.63,16.98,0,0,13.65,0.44,30.73,0
VEN017,1.13,1.55,0,0.12,32.91,17.47,3.75,0,12.37,3.07,27.62,0
VEN018,9.33,0,3.69,0,27.33,17.18,0,0,19.59,0,20.74,2.14
VEN021,8.65,0,0.51,3.3,17.54,14.06,0,2.43,21.68,1.47,30.37,0
VEN022,7.04,0,0,5.28,15.13,25.83,0,0.13,20.82,0,25.77,0
VET001,1.52,0,2.24,1.15,42.15,23.87,0,1.18,6.3,0,21.57,0
VET002,0.77,1.24,2.59,0,48.74,18.77,0,0,7.8,0.08,20.03,0
VET003_4,1.33,0,2.66,0,47.08,21.2,0.25,0.26,7.04,0.15,20.03,0
VET005,7.72,0.55,0,0,43.13,37.83,0,1.41,1.61,0,7.74,0
VET007,0,0,2.57,0.68,51.02,20.09,0.22,0,6.74,0.42,17.63,0.63
VET008,0.41,0,8.27,0,38.29,9.06,0,1.75,12.78,0.04,28.42,0.99
VET010,0,0,4.61,0.76,48.22,21.92,0.27,0,3.53,0,20.12,0.57
VET011,0,0,6.57,0,51.11,17.17,0,2.72,3.32,0,19.1,0
VEU001,0,0,1.86,2.69,45.76,22.07,0,0.83,3.79,0,23.01,0
VOL001,0.94,0,1.77,0,44.5,24.66,0.61,0.03,5.61,0,21.4,0.48

great work jovialis as usuall kudos
also salento kudos

Distance to:	adam
5.13144229	VEN016
6.05410604	VEN015
6.56462489	VEN006
6.61878388	VEN013
7.52345001	ETR014
7.93422964	TAQ003
8.38703166	VEN001
9.54353708	VEN012
10.20452351	MAS002
10.32028100	VEN005
11.63581540	ETR004
11.72975277	TAQ021
11.83413284	ETR003
12.40366478	VEN021
12.76552780	VEN009
12.92574563	ETR013
12.97334961	TAQ011
13.35012734	TAQ009
13.98837374	TAQ020
14.65017406	TAQ007
15.05478661	POP001
15.05876821	ETR007
15.08146545	VEN018
15.27518576	VEN017
15.38769963	TAQ022

 

[torzio]

… maybe PRZ is a place in Tuscany near Prato, … Prato Zomething … I think.

I was thinking Perusia because a single s is a zed sound

like the city of Pisa.........a zed sound for the s

 

[Hawk]

great work jovialis as usuall kudos
also salento kudos

Distance to:	adam
5.13144229	VEN016
6.05410604	VEN015
6.56462489	VEN006
6.61878388	VEN013
7.52345001	ETR014
7.93422964	TAQ003
8.38703166	VEN001
9.54353708	VEN012
10.20452351	MAS002
10.32028100	VEN005
11.63581540	ETR004
11.72975277	TAQ021
11.83413284	ETR003
12.40366478	VEN021
12.76552780	VEN009
12.92574563	ETR013
12.97334961	TAQ011
13.35012734	TAQ009
13.98837374	TAQ020
14.65017406	TAQ007
15.05478661	POP001
15.05876821	ETR007
15.08146545	VEN018
15.27518576	VEN017
15.38769963	TAQ022

You are Jewish right? Interesting how you got VEN as closest to you, perhaps it adds to the fact they may really come from Basilicata, and this connection is of course due to calculator effect, an admixed Jew + South/West European will be in approximate cline to the samples of ancient South-East Europe.

 

[kingjohn]

You are Jewish right? Interesting how you got VEN as closest to you, perhaps it adds to the fact they may really come from Basilicata, and this connection is of course due to calculator effect, an admixed Jew + South/West European will be in approximate cline to the samples of ancient South-East Europe.

yes

i tend to think the sample is indeed
from southern italy somwhere
i hope they will release this paper finally to
find the places of the samples
and the timeline
it is very important

p.s
side note
i am 1/4 bulgarian :cool-v:

 

[Pax Augusta]

Does anybody have the locations and dates for the samples?

I suppose that it could be something like that.

- CAM : Campeva, Campania
- CSN : Cesena
- ETR : Etruria? (not a city)
- MAG : Magliano in Toscana?
- MAS : Massa
- POP: Populonia
- PRZ : ?
- TAQ : Tarquinia
- UDC : ?
- VEN : Venturina
- VET : Vetluna (Vetulonia)
- VEU : ?
- VOL : Volterra

Maciamo, among the many suppositions read in the forums, yours remain according to me the closest to the truth.

At least one of these should be from southern Italy and should have at least a significant number of individuals, otherwise I don't see the point of using them.
Obviously, the fact that samples have the same label does not mean that they have the same date or belong to the same era or the same ethnicity. Just as it should be reiterated that the starting samples will have been many more than these, these 82 will be the ones that could have been decently analyzed, and that there is clearly a causal factor as well. Even when they are really samples of Etruscan individuals they can belong to different periods (orientalizing, archaic, Hellenistic...). It seems clear to me that the abstract claims that there are no samples of Etruscan individuals of Villanovan age, that would have been the most useful instead.


CSN, MAG, MAS, POP, VOL coud be from central (VOL) and southern Tuscany (CSN, MAG, MAS, POP). TAQ is most likely Tarquinia from northern Lazio. I think CSN can't be Cesena, Cesena is not considered part of Etruria and of course neither southern Italy. The territories of the Etruscans in northern Italy are conventionally called Etruria Padana but there is no mention in the abstract of the paper of samples from Etruria Padana. CSN is most likely a microtoponym in southern Tuscany composed of multiple words.

CAM could be indeed Campiglia from Tuscany, good guess Maciamo, or a generic Campania region. But the former makes more sense than the latter. Instead CAM doesn't seem to match for example with places like Capua in Campania.

ETR is Etruria in Roman Imperial period (the so called Regio VII Etruria that was merged with Regio VI Umbria around 300 AD).

PRZ dunno. It could be one of the many microtoponyms scattered throughout Italy that begin with Poggio and are composed of multiple words.

UDC_P dunno. Even this sounds like a toponym composed of multiple words.

VEN dunno. It could Venturina but both for their results and for other reasons (the abstract) it is unlikely that also VEN is from Etruria.

VET could be Vetulonia. Or see below.

VEU in the case VET stands for something else, VEU could be Vetulonia as well. VEU doesn't seem to match Veio or Vulci.

 

[Duarte]

thanks Duarte

… this is going to be fun, besides ETR003, I see also ETR007 … same age, lol

Lol, lol. Good morning Salento. My better coincidence between Dodecad Globe 13 and MTA is the guy VOL001. I like giving likes a lot, so I wasted all my juice again and now I can't offer you one. Next, playing with the “82 Etruscans” in Dodecad Globe 13:

Distance to:	Duarte
7.11523014	VOL001
7.33978883	CSN010
7.48911877	VET001
7.88628556	TAQ002
7.93573563	CSN013
7.98440981	TAQ016
7.99661804	TAQ004
8.00058123	TAQ008
8.00884511	CSN006
8.07916456	TAQ015
8.20894634	PRZ001
8.43333860	CAM001
8.50301711	TAQ013
8.52072767	CSN009
8.56320034	TAQ001
8.75379918	PRZ002
8.91038159	ETR005
8.96763068	CSN005
9.00017222	CAM003
9.07093159	CSN003
9.14476353	CSN001
9.29287899	VEU001
9.31362443	TAQ006
9.47892926	VET003_4
9.54571108	TAQ018
9.54704143	TAQ010
9.61105093	CSN008
9.75466042	TAQ024
9.85856988	CSN012
9.87977733	TAQ019
9.91253752	MAS004
10.23290281	TAQ017
10.50818728	MAG001
11.29156765	VET010
11.52980486	CSN004
11.79833039	TAQ005
12.12199241	CAM002
12.48226742	VET007
12.54053029	VET002
12.56094742	TAQ012
13.22651126	CSN002
13.56609008	VEN008
14.86731650	UDC_P
15.11523404	MAS001
15.30763535	CSN007
15.38911953	ETR007
15.55856356	TAQ022
16.06662690	POP001
16.61071341	TAQ009
16.87695766	ETR006
16.94133702	ETR010
17.06057443	VEN017
17.31443906	TAQ011
17.52307621	VET011
17.77330301	VET005
18.77136916	VEN018
19.26569490	VEN009
19.30661286	VEN010
19.56886813	TAQ023
19.64063899	ETR013
21.07768014	ETR003
21.19104764	TAQ020
21.48125695	VEN001
22.20614329	TAQ003
22.60155968	ETR012
22.94314059	MAS003
23.45634882	VEN012
23.83090850	VEN013
23.93302530	VET008
24.86291415	VEN022
24.97380828	VEN016
24.98883551	TAQ021
25.21808875	VEN006
25.30356892	VEN015
26.35506403	VEN005
27.03639214	TAQ007
27.05825937	ETR004
27.35004936	ETR014
31.52998573	VEN014
34.13124229	VEN021
36.61380887	MAS002
49.57409102	VEN002

Distance to:	Duarte
5.73891226	59.80% CSN010 + 40.20% ETR005
5.73921720	47.40% TAQ023 + 52.60% VET005
5.74355616	69.00% CSN012 + 31.00% VEN018
5.81682359	69.80% CSN012 + 30.20% VEN009
5.81996160	72.20% CSN012 + 27.80% VEN001
5.84177920	67.00% CAM003 + 33.00% MAS001
5.84387206	74.20% CSN012 + 25.80% VEN012
5.88433150	75.40% CSN012 + 24.60% VEN022
5.99515298	56.20% CSN010 + 43.80% TAQ015
6.02530307	56.60% UDC_P + 43.40% VEN018
6.02830241	81.60% CSN010 + 18.40% TAQ023
6.07136413	81.20% CSN012 + 18.80% VEN021
6.09793092	49.80% CSN005 + 50.20% ETR005
6.10355783	67.60% CSN012 + 32.40% TAQ011
6.10670945	74.40% PRZ002 + 25.60% VEN009
6.11004654	65.80% PRZ002 + 34.20% VEN008
6.11414204	76.60% PRZ002 + 23.40% VEN001
6.13027102	62.40% TAQ005 + 37.60% VET005
6.13611339	75.00% CSN012 + 25.00% VEN013
6.13803025	58.20% VET005 + 41.80% VET008
6.16377080	71.60% CSN010 + 28.40% TAQ005
6.16739854	76.00% CSN012 + 24.00% VEN006
6.18122752	67.60% CSN003 + 32.40% MAS001
6.18203169	47.00% CSN010 + 53.00% VOL001
6.18843383	43.80% CSN006 + 56.20% CSN010

Target: Duarte Distance: 4.8755% / 4.87552664

29.2	VET005
27.4	TAQ023
24.2	CSN012
9.4	CAM003
4.1	VEN002
3.8	VEN018
1.9	VET011

 

[kingjohn]

This should be very interesting
https://submissions-e--a--a-org.tra...r_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=iw&_x_tr_pto=ajax,se,nv,elem
Title:
Exploring the genetic diversity of Magna Graecia – The case of Campania
Content:
Starting in the 8th century BCE, coastal Campania in Southern Italy became a melting pot of various cultures and peoples when Etruscan and Greek colonizers joined local Italic tribes. By establishing cities and trade posts, the contact networks of Campania were further expanded across the Mediterranean and inland.
We generated ancient genomes from Campania, spanning the 8th to 3rd century BCE, i.e. the Orientalizing, Archaic and Hellenistic-Roman period in this region. While most individuals can be attributed to a genetic ancestry that arose on the Italian mainland, we also discover descendants of migrants from the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean. Most notably, an individual dated to the 8th century at the first Greek settlement, Pithekoussai, a site that also yielded the earliest example of writing in the Euboean alphabet, was genetically of Aegean origin, and we find that this type of ancestry persisted at the site for several centuries. We compare the genetic composition of these descendants of Greek settlers to the local Campanians represented by individuals from the site San Marzano and Etruscan immigrants from Pontecagnano.
We integrate a thorough analysis of the associated material culture and, where available, strontium isotopes to establish temporal and cultural patterns of mobility, ancestry and admixture that shaped the genetic landscape of Campanian Magna Graecia.

 

[Palermo Trapani]

Kingjohn: thanks for the link and abstract, sorry I can't upvote, reached my quota upvotes. Interesting paper

 

[real expert]

This should be very interesting
https://submissions-e--a--a-org.tra...r_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=iw&_x_tr_pto=ajax,se,nv,elem
Title:
Exploring the genetic diversity of Magna Graecia – The case of Campania
Content:
Starting in the 8th century BCE, coastal Campania in Southern Italy became a melting pot of various cultures and peoples when Etruscan and Greek colonizers joined local Italic tribes. By establishing cities and trade posts, the contact networks of Campania were further expanded across the Mediterranean and inland.
We generated ancient genomes from Campania, spanning the 8th to 3rd century BCE, i.e. the Orientalizing, Archaic and Hellenistic-Roman period in this region. While most individuals can be attributed to a genetic ancestry that arose on the Italian mainland, we also discover descendants of migrants from the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean. Most notably, an individual dated to the 8th century at the first Greek settlement, Pithekoussai, a site that also yielded the earliest example of writing in the Euboean alphabet, was genetically of Aegean origin, and we find that this type of ancestry persisted at the site for several centuries. We compare the genetic composition of these descendants of Greek settlers to the local Campanians represented by individuals from the site San Marzano and Etruscan immigrants from Pontecagnano.
We integrate a thorough analysis of the associated material culture and, where available, strontium isotopes to establish temporal and cultural patterns of mobility, ancestry and admixture that shaped the genetic landscape of Campanian Magna Graecia.

Thanks a lot. This paper will surely be very interesting, especially since we'll have the DNA from Classical Greeks, too. Thumps up from me.

 

[real expert]

Here is the abstract from another Greek study.:cool-v:

Early Bronze Age Aegean genomes from Perachora cave, Corinth, Greece

Content:
Research involving ancient DNA (aDNA) has experienced a true technological revolution in recent years, mainly through the advance of high-throughput sequencing. Archaeogenomic research on present-day Greek/Aegean sites has been focused either on Neolithic (covering the period from ~ 8.000 to 4.000 BCE) or on Middle to Late Bronze Age specimens (covering the period from ~2.400 to 1.200 BCE). Hence, there is a sampling gap concerning the period from the Final Neolithic to Early Bronze Age, an important transitional phase during of which noticeable changes have been documented on archaeological basis that may indicate broader cultural changes. Previous analyses of ancient genomes have concluded that Middle/Late Bronze Age Peloponnesian populations (attributed as Myceneans) and Middle Bronze Age Cretan populations (attributed as Minoans) could be modelled as a mixture of the Anatolia Neolithic-related substratum with additional ‘eastern’ (Caucasus/Iran-related) ancestry and could be considered as distinct from Neolithic Aegean populations who had only Anatolian farmer ancestry. In this study we provide archaeogenomic evidence from an Early Bronze Age (Early Helladic) population located in central present-day Greek mainland (Perachora cave, close to the Early Helladic settlement of Perachora in the Gulf of Corinth), in order to examine if the Bronze Age ‘eastern’ ancestry was present in the mainland Aegean area from the early onset of the Bronze Age. Our preliminary results suggest that the Early Bronze Age Perachora population is clustering together with Early/Middle Neolithic farmers from Europe, Aegean, and Anatolia, an indication of distinctiveness from Middle/Late Bronze Age Peloponnesian and Cretan populations. Hence, southern mainland Early Bronze Age Aegean people may not have been genetically admixed yet, with populations carrying the additional ‘eastern’ ancestry, an event that possibly occurred immediately after, during the Middle Bronze Age and the advent of the intensified Minoan mobility and interchange network.


https://submissions.e-a-a.org/eaa2021/repository/preview.php?Abstract=830


Keywords:
Ancient DNA, Ancestry, Archaeogenomics, Early Helladic Period

 

[Pax Augusta]

This should be very interesting

Indeed. Thanks for sharing, there is also this

The Punic Mediterranean - a new ancient DNA perspective


Content:
Towards the end of the 6th century BCE, the former colony Carthage in present-day Tunisia emerged as a hegemonial power in the Western Mediterranean. While keeping the Phoenician language as well as many aspects of cultural practices, a new set of "Punic" customs spread rapidly from the Northwest African coast throughout the Western Mediterranean, including coastal sites in Iberia, Ibiza, Sicily and Sardinia. In this study we produced novel ancient DNA evidence from human remains buried in Western Mediterranean Punic necropoli. So far, ancient DNA data from Punic sites has been sporadic, and here we generated genome-wide ancient DNA as well as new Radio Carbon dates to fill this gap. Together, this new data allowed us to probe whether cultural links to North Africa are also accompanied by North African genetic ancestry. Moreover, we studied putative genetic connections to the Levant and Aegan. Finally, we investigated the complex interaction with local populations.

https://submissions.e-a-a.org/eaa2021/repository/preview.php?Abstract=2185

 

[Hawk]

Here is the abstract from another Greek study.:cool-v:

Early Bronze Age Aegean genomes from Perachora cave, Corinth, Greece

Content:
Research involving ancient DNA (aDNA) has experienced a true technological revolution in recent years, mainly through the advance of high-throughput sequencing. Archaeogenomic research on present-day Greek/Aegean sites has been focused either on Neolithic (covering the period from ~ 8.000 to 4.000 BCE) or on Middle to Late Bronze Age specimens (covering the period from ~2.400 to 1.200 BCE). Hence, there is a sampling gap concerning the period from the Final Neolithic to Early Bronze Age, an important transitional phase during of which noticeable changes have been documented on archaeological basis that may indicate broader cultural changes. Previous analyses of ancient genomes have concluded that Middle/Late Bronze Age Peloponnesian populations (attributed as Myceneans) and Middle Bronze Age Cretan populations (attributed as Minoans) could be modelled as a mixture of the Anatolia Neolithic-related substratum with additional ‘eastern’ (Caucasus/Iran-related) ancestry and could be considered as distinct from Neolithic Aegean populations who had only Anatolian farmer ancestry. In this study we provide archaeogenomic evidence from an Early Bronze Age (Early Helladic) population located in central present-day Greek mainland (Perachora cave, close to the Early Helladic settlement of Perachora in the Gulf of Corinth), in order to examine if the Bronze Age ‘eastern’ ancestry was present in the mainland Aegean area from the early onset of the Bronze Age. Our preliminary results suggest that the Early Bronze Age Perachora population is clustering together with Early/Middle Neolithic farmers from Europe, Aegean, and Anatolia, an indication of distinctiveness from Middle/Late Bronze Age Peloponnesian and Cretan populations. Hence, southern mainland Early Bronze Age Aegean people may not have been genetically admixed yet, with populations carrying the additional ‘eastern’ ancestry, an event that possibly occurred immediately after, during the Middle Bronze Age and the advent of the intensified Minoan mobility and interchange network.


https://submissions.e-a-a.org/eaa2021/repository/preview.php?Abstract=830


Keywords:
Ancient DNA, Ancestry, Archaeogenomics, Early Helladic Period

Maybe we got the Pelasgians?

 

[real expert]

Maybe we got the Pelasgians?

Who knows?

Anway, it's raining Ancient Greek paper abstracts. Great! This an abstract from a further Greek study that mentions genetic shift in the late BA Aegean that traces back to Central- Eastern European Population. Are these people the Indo-Europeans/ Proto-Greeks?

Title:

Insights into admixture history and social practices in the prehistoric Aegean from ancient DNA


Content:
European genetic history went through major transformations during the Neolithic and Bronze Age. Despite the significance of the Aegean for European prehistory, preservation challenges have hindered a comprehensive understanding of human mobility and population dynamics in this region through time. In this paper, we present insights from ancient DNA (genome-wide) analyses on Early Neolithic and Bronze Age individuals from Mainland Greece, Crete and the Aegean islands. Our results indicate multi-phased genetic shifts in the Aegean populations since the early Neolithic that can be traced to populations related to Anatolia and then, during the Late Bronze Age, to Central-Eastern Europe. Besides the long-lasting biological connections with these adjacent regions, we also found that Bronze Age Aegeans exhibited endogamy in high frequencies so far unobserved in the rest of the ancient West Eurasia. These close-kin marital practices, likely equivalent to first-cousins unions, were substantially higher in Crete and other Aegean islands than in Mainland Greece. Our study highlights the potential of novel biomolecular methods to unravel the interplay of genetic admixture and cultural entanglements in the Aegean and beyond.
Keywords:
ancient DNA, Aegean prehistory, marital practices, human mobility

https://submissions.e-a-a.org/eaa2021/repository/preview.php?Abstract=2323

 

[real expert]

Indeed. Thanks for sharing, there is also this

The Punic Mediterranean - a new ancient DNA perspective


Content:
Towards the end of the 6th century BCE, the former colony Carthage in present-day Tunisia emerged as a hegemonial power in the Western Mediterranean. While keeping the Phoenician language as well as many aspects of cultural practices, a new set of "Punic" customs spread rapidly from the Northwest African coast throughout the Western Mediterranean, including coastal sites in Iberia, Ibiza, Sicily and Sardinia. In this study we produced novel ancient DNA evidence from human remains buried in Western Mediterranean Punic necropoli. So far, ancient DNA data from Punic sites has been sporadic, and here we generated genome-wide ancient DNA as well as new Radio Carbon dates to fill this gap. Together, this new data allowed us to probe whether cultural links to North Africa are also accompanied by North African genetic ancestry. Moreover, we studied putative genetic connections to the Levant and Aegan. Finally, we investigated the complex interaction with local populations.

https://submissions.e-a-a.org/eaa2021/repository/preview.php?Abstract=2185

Wow, another wonderful study. Thanks.

 

[Hawk]

Who knows?

Anway, it's raining Ancient Greek paper abstracts. Great! This an abstract from a further Greek study that mentions genetic shift in the late BA Aegean that traces back to Central- Eastern European Population. Are these people the Indo-Europeans/ Proto-Greeks?

Title:

Insights into admixture history and social practices in the prehistoric Aegean from ancient DNA


Content:
European genetic history went through major transformations during the Neolithic and Bronze Age. Despite the significance of the Aegean for European prehistory, preservation challenges have hindered a comprehensive understanding of human mobility and population dynamics in this region through time. In this paper, we present insights from ancient DNA (genome-wide) analyses on Early Neolithic and Bronze Age individuals from Mainland Greece, Crete and the Aegean islands. Our results indicate multi-phased genetic shifts in the Aegean populations since the early Neolithic that can be traced to populations related to Anatolia and then, during the Late Bronze Age, to Central-Eastern Europe. Besides the long-lasting biological connections with these adjacent regions, we also found that Bronze Age Aegeans exhibited endogamy in high frequencies so far unobserved in the rest of the ancient West Eurasia. These close-kin marital practices, likely equivalent to first-cousins unions, were substantially higher in Crete and other Aegean islands than in Mainland Greece. Our study highlights the potential of novel biomolecular methods to unravel the interplay of genetic admixture and cultural entanglements in the Aegean and beyond.
Keywords:
ancient DNA, Aegean prehistory, marital practices, human mobility

https://submissions.e-a-a.org/eaa2021/repository/preview.php?Abstract=2323

This one is for Riverman. He has been the one who put in the theory of South-Eastern Urnfield expansion of E-V13 from Central-Eastern Europe during Late Bronze Age, and there is archeological evidence for this all over the place.

If in their chronology Late Bronze Age really means Late Bronze Age: like ~1400-1100 B.C

 

[Riverman]

This one is for Riverman. He has been the one who put in the theory of South-Eastern Urnfield expansion of E-V13 from Central-Eastern Europe during Late Bronze Age, and there is archeological evidence for this all over the place.

If in their chronology Late Bronze Age really means Late Bronze Age: like ~1400-1100 B.C

Yes, looks promising. But I do wonder about the content of the paper, because obviously there should have been earlier shifts, latest with the MBA-LBA and Mycenaeans, rather than the LBA-EIA. What we really need is the archaeological context and the haplogroups. I'm still somewhat sceptical though, because one of the big issues with the Urnfielders is, well, that they cremated and were buried in urns. Not ideal for doing an ancient DNA analysis. Also, anything before 1.200 BC might be too early and the common definition for Greece seems to be:

The Mycenaean civilization flourished in the Late Bronze Age (c. 1700-1100 BCE), peaking from the 15th to the 13th century BCE.

https://www.worldhistory.org/Mycenaean_Civilization/

So that's indeed about Mycenaeans I guess.

 

[Salento]

lol, lol. Good morning salento. My better coincidence between dodecad globe 13 and mta is the guy vol001. I like giving likes a lot, so i wasted all my juice again and now i can't offer you one. Next, playing with the “82 etruscans” in dodecad globe 13:

distance to:	duarte
7.11523014	vol001

GedM… VOL001 # XY8696756

… I tested the VOL001 file with MTA: