Kristiyan
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- Location
- Sofia
- Ethnic group
- Bulgarians
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- I1a3a1a1/I-Y2245.2
- mtDNA haplogroup
- H65
What is the origin of ancient Bulgarians? Are they of turic origin?
Тhe hypothesis that the Bulgarians are of Turkic origin is a very outdated concept that has been rejected by modern archeology, linguistics, anthropology, ethnography and genetics. The Bulgarians, like the Goths, in the 5th century AD were simply allies and federates of the Huns, who were also of obscure origin. Later, in the late 6th and early 7th centuries, they were part of the West Turkic Haganate. This is the reason why at the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century historians considered them Turks. After rejecting the rule of Turkic Haganate, at the beginning of the 7th century AD, Bulgarians created an independent state on the territory of today's Southern Russia and Ukraine - Old Greate Bulgaria. Recent research shows that the Bulgarians are of Scythian-Sarmatian origin, and as it is known, the Sarmatians are an Indo-Iranian people. They were close to the Caucasian peoples, and one of the closest to them and related tribes are the Alans. They had been formed as a people around 2d century AD, alongside the Kuban River as part of the Saltovo-Majaki culture and people, where for their presence there are a huge amount of archaeological evidence such as graves and pottery, typical only for them. The first information about Bulgarians dates back in Armenian historical sources 2-3d century AD. 4th century they became allies of Byzantin Empire in their struggle against the Goths. This is long before the formation of the Turks as a people 6th century AD! Modern genetic research of Bulgarians shows that they have no or almost no East or Central Asian genes, which could show some close kinship with the Turkic peoples. Moreover, the genetic heritage of the ancient Bulgarians makes up to 30% of the genetics of modern Bulgarians.
Modern genetic studies
Here it is what genetic researches shows for modern Bulgarians according to mytrueancestry.com:
How do modern populations relate to modern Bulgarians?
(Тhe number in parentheses indicates the distance of a population. Тhe smaller the number, the closer this population is to the studied population.)
Autosomal DNA
1. Romanian (4.028)
2. Bosnian (4.770)
3. Macedonian (4.990)
4. Kosovar (6.429)
5. Albanian_Tosk (8.670)
6. Serbian (9.143)
7. Greek (10.44)
8. Greek_Thessaly (10.71)
Male Y-DNA
1. Macedonian (5.545)
2. Greek_Thessaly (7.778)
3. Romanian (13.76)
4. Central_Greek (17.05)
5. Serbian (17.26)
6. Greek (18.26)
7. Moldavian (19.39)
8. Greek_Islands (22.41)
Female MtDNA
1. Greek (6.593)
2. Ukrainian (7.088)
3. Kargopol_Russian (7.994)
4. Belorussian (8.120)
5. Slovakian (8.141)
6. Polish (8.452)
7. Czech (8.809)
Closest to modern Bulgarians Ancient groups
1. *Byzantine (5.846)
2. *Gaul (5.846)
3. Byzantine + Gaul (5.846)
4. Byzantine + Gallo-Roman (7.299)
5. Byzantine + Roman (8.816)
6. Seleucid + Gaul (10.29)
7. Seleucid + Gallo-Roman (10.81)
8. Roman (13.58)
9. Gaul (15.57)
10. Byzantine (16.69)
11. Gallo-Roman (17.69)
12. Seleucid (18.25)
You can also visit the page of Bulgarian Genetic Genealogy Project of FamilyTreeDNA site:
familytreedna.com/groups/bulgariandna/dna-results
As pure Bulgarian with predecessors from West and Central Bulgaria I can provide my personal DNA test result as well as my daughter's one here:
eupedia.com/forum/threads/33878-Share-your-updated-MyOrigins-results/page4?p=625919&viewfull=1#post625919
N.B. My daughter has a Greek great-great-grandmother, by her grandfather side, from today's Bulgarian town of Sozopol, which in the late 19th century and early 20th was inhabited mainly by Greeks.
If there are other Bulgarians here in this forum please, if you want do the same, so the others can compare our results and to see what our origina are?
Thank you!
Тhe hypothesis that the Bulgarians are of Turkic origin is a very outdated concept that has been rejected by modern archeology, linguistics, anthropology, ethnography and genetics. The Bulgarians, like the Goths, in the 5th century AD were simply allies and federates of the Huns, who were also of obscure origin. Later, in the late 6th and early 7th centuries, they were part of the West Turkic Haganate. This is the reason why at the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century historians considered them Turks. After rejecting the rule of Turkic Haganate, at the beginning of the 7th century AD, Bulgarians created an independent state on the territory of today's Southern Russia and Ukraine - Old Greate Bulgaria. Recent research shows that the Bulgarians are of Scythian-Sarmatian origin, and as it is known, the Sarmatians are an Indo-Iranian people. They were close to the Caucasian peoples, and one of the closest to them and related tribes are the Alans. They had been formed as a people around 2d century AD, alongside the Kuban River as part of the Saltovo-Majaki culture and people, where for their presence there are a huge amount of archaeological evidence such as graves and pottery, typical only for them. The first information about Bulgarians dates back in Armenian historical sources 2-3d century AD. 4th century they became allies of Byzantin Empire in their struggle against the Goths. This is long before the formation of the Turks as a people 6th century AD! Modern genetic research of Bulgarians shows that they have no or almost no East or Central Asian genes, which could show some close kinship with the Turkic peoples. Moreover, the genetic heritage of the ancient Bulgarians makes up to 30% of the genetics of modern Bulgarians.
Modern genetic studies
Here it is what genetic researches shows for modern Bulgarians according to mytrueancestry.com:
How do modern populations relate to modern Bulgarians?
(Тhe number in parentheses indicates the distance of a population. Тhe smaller the number, the closer this population is to the studied population.)
Autosomal DNA
1. Romanian (4.028)
2. Bosnian (4.770)
3. Macedonian (4.990)
4. Kosovar (6.429)
5. Albanian_Tosk (8.670)
6. Serbian (9.143)
7. Greek (10.44)
8. Greek_Thessaly (10.71)
Male Y-DNA
1. Macedonian (5.545)
2. Greek_Thessaly (7.778)
3. Romanian (13.76)
4. Central_Greek (17.05)
5. Serbian (17.26)
6. Greek (18.26)
7. Moldavian (19.39)
8. Greek_Islands (22.41)
Female MtDNA
1. Greek (6.593)
2. Ukrainian (7.088)
3. Kargopol_Russian (7.994)
4. Belorussian (8.120)
5. Slovakian (8.141)
6. Polish (8.452)
7. Czech (8.809)
Closest to modern Bulgarians Ancient groups
1. *Byzantine (5.846)
2. *Gaul (5.846)
3. Byzantine + Gaul (5.846)
4. Byzantine + Gallo-Roman (7.299)
5. Byzantine + Roman (8.816)
6. Seleucid + Gaul (10.29)
7. Seleucid + Gallo-Roman (10.81)
8. Roman (13.58)
9. Gaul (15.57)
10. Byzantine (16.69)
11. Gallo-Roman (17.69)
12. Seleucid (18.25)
You can also visit the page of Bulgarian Genetic Genealogy Project of FamilyTreeDNA site:
familytreedna.com/groups/bulgariandna/dna-results
As pure Bulgarian with predecessors from West and Central Bulgaria I can provide my personal DNA test result as well as my daughter's one here:
eupedia.com/forum/threads/33878-Share-your-updated-MyOrigins-results/page4?p=625919&viewfull=1#post625919
N.B. My daughter has a Greek great-great-grandmother, by her grandfather side, from today's Bulgarian town of Sozopol, which in the late 19th century and early 20th was inhabited mainly by Greeks.
If there are other Bulgarians here in this forum please, if you want do the same, so the others can compare our results and to see what our origina are?
Thank you!
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