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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I completely understand how nationalistic fervor can come to the fore during big competitions like the Euro Cup and the World Cup. I watched Italy beat Germany and France when they won their last World Cup, and it was one of the most exhilarating moments of my life as far as sports go, and indeed even generally.

    However, it can go too far. It's one thing to point out as objectively as possible the strengths and weaknesses of the current teams. It's another to show one's animus toward a particular team because of one's biases toward that country or a person from that country. People do it both directly and passive aggressively, and yes, I know plenty of Italians who did that against the German team in that World Cup. Winning against Germany was almost more important to them than winning against France and getting the World Cup. It wasn't right imo. I don't like to see that sort of thing.

    Of course, even worse things happen, as we know. I'm sorry to say it but the British team supporters have been particularly culpable in that regard, although I don't root for certain regional Italian teams for the same reason, and because some of them have organized fans who are fascistic and racist, imo.

    @Jovialis,

    I can recognize passive aggression against me too. :)

    His ban was a long time coming. I hope it sticks. He lessened the reputation of the site, imo.
    Indeed, it really is a shame. Honestly, I think some of the ethnic conflict in genetics forums, and other places starts out with competitions like the World Cup and Euro cup, at some point in their lives. Then it snowballs into people trying to prove the other country has some kind of cooties due to their origins. It is sad really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by real expert View Post
    I agree but my bet would still be on Italy.

    By the way, some days ago, 3 random Germans were killed by a migrant with a knife who screamed "Allahu Akbar“ on the street. The German Nationalteam however, instead of wearing a black ribbon to mourn these victims, wore an LGBTQ ribbon and went down on their knees for BLM. The same goes for England most English fans don't want their team to bend the knee, but the National team doesn't care and keeps on going on their knees from day 1.
    This total politicizing of Football and one-sided pseudo-moral are a puke-inciting mess.


    Now the German team can spend enough time on their woke activism.



    football has always been political. it's way too important for way too many people. the LGBTQ ribbon is imo part of the football tradition since football officials have always tried to give football an internationally unifiying progressive touch. maybe because they want to counteract against the dividing warlike nature that such sport events can develop for many fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    FYI, He was banned for re-starting a topic which was closed, on the Steppe theory, in addition to already meriting being banned.
    Well, then he had it coming. Some posters don't understand when to tone down their rhetoric and to take warnings seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailchu View Post
    football has always been political. it's way too important for way too many people. the LGBTQ ribbon is imo part of the football tradition since football officials have always tried to give football an internationally unifiying progressive touch. maybe because they want to counteract against the dividing warlike nature that such sport events can develop for many fans.
    And the victims of a jihadist knifeman in Germany are not important?

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    Quote Originally Posted by real expert View Post
    And the victims of a jihadist knifeman in Germany are not important?
    neither is the slavery in Qatar

    nobody will boycot Qatar

    so hypocrit

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    The tournament is wide open. Of the remaining teams in the tournament in order of who I think might win:

    1. Italy (if they play good, tight defense)
    2. England
    3. Belgium
    4. Spain (they really need to play defense which they haven't so far
    5. Denmark
    6. Switzerland
    7. Chechia
    8. Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by real expert View Post
    And the victims of a jihadist knifeman in Germany are not important?
    sure they are important. the german team could have mourned for them but for what? as a symbol against jihadism? as justified as it would be it would make nothing better. and how many people in germany does it really affect?

    those statements made by the football teams are messages to their fans to show solidarity but also to those fans who do not agree with them. i doubt any jihadists care about the opinion of the LGBTQ ribbon wearing german national team.

    anyways they could have done it but they didn't. i don't really want to weight LGBTQ vs mourning for victims of an islamist psychopath against each other. i'd agree with both. but one has more relation to football, it's players and fans and one doesn't really. the silence of the football community about for example the working conditions in qatar is way more problematic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailchu View Post
    sure they are important. the german team could have mourned for them but for what? as a symbol against jihadism? as justified as it would be it would make nothing better. and how many people in germany does it really affect?

    those statements made by the football teams are messages to their fans to show solidarity but also to those fans who do not agree with them. i doubt any jihadists care about the opinion of the LGBTQ ribbon wearing german national team.

    anyways they could have done it but they didn't. i don't really want to weight LGBTQ vs mourning for victims of an islamist psychopath against each other. i'd agree with both. but one has more relation to football, it's players and fans and one doesn't really. the silence of the football community about for example the working conditions in qatar is way more problematic.
    Come on Ailchu! These virtue-signaling football players could've expressed their solidarity with the victims, and show respect. Besides, the policeman who killed George Floyd is punished and sentenced to life. In addition to that, the family of Floyd got 27 Million $ compensation for his death. We already had enough riots, demonstrations, and expressions of solidarity for him and BLM. Why can these very recent victims of this senseless violence get the same attention and empathy? And yes the German and English football players could've shown that they are against radical Islamists or terrorists who kill innocent people. Why not? Racism is not only ill in this world, and hate comes in different forms, shapes, and fashions. It's upsetting that the German team doesn't care about the people who were killed in their own country, yet cry crocodile tears for a man that was killed in the USA one year ago. Bowing down to the BLM movement is not a virtue, thus has no place in football. It's obvious that you are left-leaning, but sometimes you have to get out of your liberal/SJW bubble and tunnel vision for a change. I mean no hard feelings. Anyway, I hope you understand that I don't want to attack you as a person, but I don't agree with your opinion. My point is that I have an issue with the selective expression of solidarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Indeed, it really is a shame. Honestly, I think some of the ethnic conflict in genetics forums, and other places starts out with competitions like the World Cup and Euro cup, at some point in their lives. Then it snowballs into people trying to prove the other country has some kind of cooties due to their origins. It is sad really.

    Football not seldom triggers tribalism, the tribalistic instinct in humans. Some folks who take football too seriously consider a football game almost like a war, as we vs them.

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    So predictions for today's matches? Switzerland vs Spain, Belgium vs Italy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by real expert View Post
    Come on Ailchu! These virtue-signaling football players could've expressed their solidarity with the victims, and show respect. Besides, the policeman who killed George Floyd is punished and sentenced to life. In addition to that, the family of Floyd got 27 Million $ compensation for his death. We already had enough riots, demonstrations, and expressions of solidarity for him and BLM. Why can these very recent victims of this senseless violence get the same attention and empathy? And yes the German and English football players could've shown that they are against radical Islamists or terrorists who kill innocent people. Why not? Racism is not only ill in this world, and hate comes in different forms, shapes, and fashions. It's upsetting that the German team doesn't care about the people who were killed in their own country, yet cry crocodile tears for a man that was killed in the USA one year ago. Bowing down to the BLM movement is not a virtue, thus has no place in football. It's obvious that you are left-leaning, but sometimes you have to get out of your liberal/SJW bubble and tunnel vision for a change. I mean no hard feelings. Anyway, I hope you understand that I don't want to attack you as a person, but I don't agree with your opinion. My point is that I have an issue with the selective expression of solidarity.
    the BLM kneeling was done because the english team did it, the germans would not have done it otherwise as far as i understood it. it is also not just about George Floyd.
    i get your point but imo jihadism has way less relation to football while anti-racism campaigns are part of football culture, 2. it is way less common. you are right that in some way it is inconsequent because german football teams mourned for the victims of Halle and Hanau.i guess this is just seen as a bigger problem for germany than jihadism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    So predictions for today's matches? Switzerland vs Spain, Belgium vs Italy?
    Actually, they are going on Friday.

    I feel at this point, it is anyone's game, every team that is there has played marvelously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Actually, they are going on Friday.

    I feel at this point, it is anyone's game, every team that is there has played marvelously.
    Yeah thought today was July 2nd, turned on the TV and no Euro games.

    According to some French papers, there was a lot of internal dissension in the French team.

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    The Economist explains how the Euro 2020 is politics by other means. Great article. Here is an excerpt:

    Football, after all, is a potential ally of every ideology, a perfect canvas on which to project a worldview. Socialists can hail an industry in which nearly all the money goes to the workers. Statists can applaud how government-funded football camps on the edge of Paris churn out a stream of world-class footballers (albeit ones incapable of beating Switzerland). Capitalists point out that the sport’s explosion came thanks to free markets, allowing footballers to play wherever they liked and clubs to pay whatever they pleased. Autocrats are reminded that ends trump means, as football fans accept glory no matter how dodgy the money that bought it. Conservatives, meanwhile, can hold onto the sport as the last stand of the nation-state. Where there is attention there is politics, and football is simply too big to ignore.
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    True to form Spain and Italy advanced. Spain is just not convincing me but they seem to be the team of destiny. I think England and Denmark go through tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    Italy has a difficult path Belgium, France and maybe Germany at the end. Italy has a good group but no really top quality to solve difficult matches. Imagine if Arnautovic gol was good.


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    Every single one of those teams have been eliminated, except for Italy.

    Who is your pick in light of recent developments?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Every single one of those teams have been eliminated, except for Italy.

    Who is your pick in light of recent developments?
    Sorry to butt in, Jovialis, but I don't know if you've seen this analysis by professionals, a Frenchman and Brits, saying Italy has played brilliantly and consistently throughout the competition, and should be the favorite.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REQuy4Kb3dc

    I would agree with that.

    However, anything can happen in this game, which is what makes every game a nail biter, so you never know, and I'm concerned about the loss of Spinazzola.

    Everybody has been talking about the great team spirit they have, and I think it's down to the relationship between the players and also to Mancini. Part of it is also, I think, that it's never a good idea to trash talk the Italian team before a game. Sometimes it makes them so angry that it turns into more determination. Anyway, what a difference from what seems to be going on among the French players. It's a pity, because they're a good team. Always a bad idea, imo, to have a family member manage you, but the coach should have been able to build a better sense in them that the team comes first.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA8Ea0X7g50

    Btw, trivial, I know, but can we talk about the clothes??? Bespoke Armani suits at every game, although Mancini looked so tense every time that I hardly think he noticed what he was wearing! :)


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    So it is set. Spain vs Italy and England vs Denmark. I have Italy winning over Spain and England winning over Denmark and England winning over Italy in the final.

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    If that happens England fans will be boring the rest of us for generations to come.
    They STILL mention their only WORLD CUP in 1966 when all games were played in London at Wembley.

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    The danes are vikings it is not going
    To be easy for england ( it is not ukraine)
    They play great

    P.s
    Harry kane and sterling in the english squad
    Are truly good have to admitt
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjohn View Post
    The danes are vikings it is not going
    To be easy for england ( it is not ukraine)
    They play great
    P.s
    Harry kane and sterling in the english squad
    Are truly good have to admitt
    only 1 in 10 Danes are Vikings.

    … the discovery that traces of Viking DNA are still present today not only in the Apulian population but also 1 in 10 Danish and in one on 16 British …

    The real identity of the Vikings, told by DNA
    ( … in Italian)

    https://wonderwhy.it/la-vera-identit...ntata-dal-dna/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    only 1 in 10 Danes are Vikings.

    … the discovery that traces of Viking DNA are still present today not only in the Apulian population but also 1 in 10 Danish and in one on 16 British …

    The real identity of the Vikings, told by DNA
    ( … in Italian)

    https://wonderwhy.it/la-vera-identit...ntata-dal-dna/
    As long as Denmark beat England I'm not too bothered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    only 1 in 10 Danes are Vikings.
    … the discovery that traces of Viking DNA are still present today not only in the Apulian population but also 1 in 10 Danish and in one on 16 British …
    The real identity of the Vikings, told by DNA
    ( … in Italian)
    https://wonderwhy.it/la-vera-identit...ntata-dal-dna/
    Realy
    How is that possible
    Only 1/10 danes and the other 9/10
    Danes
    Cluster with who autosomally ?
    Eastern europeans ?
    West europeans ?


    P s
    I am sure that if we go by there y haplogroup
    There is a continuty and direct descendents of the ancient danes there paternal ancestors
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vallicanus View Post
    If that happens England fans will be boring the rest of us for generations to come.
    They STILL mention their only WORLD CUP in 1966 when all games were played in London at Wembley.
    Obviously, I really, really want Italy to win, and it's possible, but these are four good teams, even if one group was a lot tougher than the other, and this sport is always frustratingly difficult to predict. I'm also concerned about the loss of such a great player, and someone key to the strategy for the next game.

    I just personally am so happy for how far Mancini has taken them from the debacle of a few years ago.

    What will be, will be.

    @Salento,

    I once speculated that maybe they exported their hyper-aggressive genes. :) The same has sometimes been speculated about the U.S., in that the risk takers of their own country contributed a lot to the genes of the U.S. Just a thought.

    I do like the "story" of the Danish team. Kudos to them for overcoming so much adversity.

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