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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Obviously, I really, really want Italy to win, and it's possible, but these are four good teams, even if one group was a lot tougher than the other, and this sport is always frustratingly difficult to predict. I'm also concerned about the loss of such a great player, and someone key to the strategy for the next game.

    I just personally am so happy for how far Mancini has taken them from the debacle of a few years ago.

    What will be, will be.

    @Salento,

    I once speculated that maybe they exported their hyper-aggressive genes. :) The same has sometimes been speculated about the U.S., in that the risk takers of their own country contributed a lot to the genes of the U.S. Just a thought.

    I do like the "story" of the Danish team. Kudos to them for overcoming so much adversity.
    Italy won their last World Cup in 2006 when Lippi led a united team with few stars but with great spirit just like Mancini with this present squad in the Euros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    Obviously, I really, really want Italy to win, and it's possible, but these are four good teams, even if one group was a lot tougher than the other, and this sport is always frustratingly difficult to predict. I'm also concerned about the loss of such a great player, and someone key to the strategy for the next game.

    I just personally am so happy for how far Mancini has taken them from the debacle of a few years ago.

    What will be, will be.

    @Salento,

    I once speculated that maybe they exported their hyper-aggressive genes. :) The same has sometimes been speculated about the U.S., in that the risk takers of their own country contributed a lot to the genes of the U.S. Just a thought.

    I do like the "story" of the Danish team. Kudos to them for overcoming so much adversity.
    … maybe they did :)

    obviously I support Italy,

    …they say we can’t win them all, but I hope we do

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    Th reason I think that England is going to win it all is that they have tremendous depth and really good defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Th reason I think that England is going to win it all is that they have tremendous depth and really good defense.
    Also good for them that they play in wembley
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    What a game between Spain and Italy, right down to the wire.

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    Italy in final and probably against England. My two favourite countries. :)

    I have just learned about the World Football Elo Ratings, a ranking system that takes various football-specific variables into account, like the margin of victory, importance of a match, and home field advantage. I am stunned to see that Belgium ranks #2 after Brazil, and just ahead of Italy, France and England! The FIFA World Rankings even has Belgium has best team in the world at the moment (since the end of 2018). I don't follow football very closely (just a bit during the World Cup and Euro), so I had no idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Indeed, it really is a shame. Honestly, I think some of the ethnic conflict in genetics forums, and other places starts out with competitions like the World Cup and Euro cup, at some point in their lives. Then it snowballs into people trying to prove the other country has some kind of cooties due to their origins. It is sad really.
    “Il calcio è il riflesso, la metafora della storia di una nazione, della sua cultura”

    These are not my words, but I share the same thoughts with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Italy in final and probably against England. My two favourite countries. :)

    I have just learned about the World Football Elo Ratings, a ranking system that takes various football-specific variables into account, like the margin of victory, importance of a match, and home field advantage. I am stunned to see that Belgium ranks #2 after Brazil, and just ahead of Italy, France and England! The FIFA World Rankings even has Belgium has best team in the world at the moment (since the end of 2018). I don't follow football very closely (just a bit during the World Cup and Euro), so I had no idea.
    Indeed, and most likely Italy vs England, in London no less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Italy in final and probably against England. My two favourite countries. :)

    I have just learned about the World Football Elo Ratings, a ranking system that takes various football-specific variables into account, like the margin of victory, importance of a match, and home field advantage. I am stunned to see that Belgium ranks #2 after Brazil, and just ahead of Italy, France and England! The FIFA World Rankings even has Belgium has best team in the world at the moment (since the end of 2018). I don't follow football very closely (just a bit during the World Cup and Euro), so I had no idea.
    It's already since long, maybe 10 years that Belgium has the best team according to FIFA.
    But they never reached a final in a major tournament.
    Something must be wrong with the ranking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    What a game between Spain and Italy, right down to the wire.
    Both goals were great! Spain looked more organized and more dangerous but you have to put the ball in the back of the net (or at least over the goal line).

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    Did anyone catch Chiellini's hilarious moment with Jordi Alba during the coin flip?

    https://www.football-espana.net/2021...nalty-shootout

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Did anyone catch Chiellini's hilarious moment with Jordi Alba during the coin flip?

    https://www.football-espana.net/2021...nalty-shootout
    I think it rattled Alba a bit. :)

    I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. Without Spinazzola, and with Spain's change in strategy, the Azzurri suffered, and they made all the fans suffer, but they got through.

    Onore alla Spagna, a great team, and one they faced with much trepidation, but my goodness, they had so much trouble getting it into the net, as Italy had trouble with them.

    As for Arrigo Sacchi, regardless of his storied career, on this matter he's full of you know what, imo. I guess he's forgotten that the "Catenaccio" style of play was created, imposed on Inter, by Hellenio Herrera. You would also think he hadn't watched all of Italy's prior matches in this tournament. In this Spain match up, Mancini made a strategic decision that the team had to do whatever they had to do to win, and they did. Are Italians pessimistic as a people? Yes. Has it prevented them from being a great football nation? No. Then, if you want to look outside sport there's a little thing like the Renaissance if you want to talk about creativity, and more inventiveness throughout the centuries, or the fact that some writers have claimed that the great achievements of European civilization are down to four countries: England, France, Germany, and Italy. Enough said. One of our faults that I will acknowledge is being too reverential to old men who display yet another one of our flaws, being hypercritical of their own country. You don't see other countries do it, especially in the middle of a competition. Those are two characteristic traits I pray will change.

    Which brings to mind poor Morata. I feel for him. Last time, he was excoriated in Spain and treated abominably; they even went after his family. Meanwhile, without his goal they wouldn't have made it to the penalty stage, and what about Olmo's penalty??? What happened to his eye-foot coordination. Don't like him or his attitude btw, while I like most of the Spanish players.

    If Italy weren't going to the finals, I would support England, although I don't like some of their arrogance this time around. It's been 55 YEARS for them. However, we came back from catastrophe just a few years ago. My heart with with our Azzurri. :)

    The squad was singing Notti Magiche. :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I think it rattled Alba a bit. :)

    I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. Without Spinazzola, and with Spain's change in strategy, the Azzurri suffered, and they made all the fans suffer, but they got through.

    Onore alla Spagna, a great team, and one they faced with much trepidation, but my goodness, they had so much trouble getting it into the net, as Italy had trouble with them.

    As for Arrigo Sacchi, regardless of his storied career, on this matter he's full of you know what, imo. I guess he's forgotten that the "Catenaccio" style of play was created, imposed on Inter, by Hellenio Herrera. You would also think he hadn't watched all of Italy's prior matches in this tournament. In this Spain match up, Mancini made a strategic decision that the team had to do whatever they had to do to win, and they did. Are Italians pessimistic as a people? Yes. Has it prevented them from being a great football nation? No. Then, if you want to look outside sport there's a little thing like the Renaissance if you want to talk about creativity, and more inventiveness throughout the centuries, or the fact that some writers have claimed that the great achievements of European civilization are down to four countries: England, France, Germany, and Italy. Enough said. One of our faults that I will acknowledge is being too reverential to old men who display yet another one of our flaws, being hypercritical of their own country. You don't see other countries do it, especially in the middle of a competition. Those are two characteristic traits I pray will change.

    Which brings to mind poor Morata. I feel for him. Last time, he was excoriated in Spain and treated abominably; they even went after his family. Meanwhile, without his goal they wouldn't have made it to the penalty stage, and what about Olmo's penalty??? What happened to his eye-foot coordination. Don't like him or his attitude btw, while I like most of the Spanish players.

    If Italy weren't going to the finals, I would support England, although I don't like some of their arrogance this time around. It's been 55 YEARS for them. However, we came back from catastrophe just a few years ago. My heart with with our Azzurri. :)

    The squad was singing Notti Magiche. :)
    I was so nervous during the penalty, I almost left the house to walk around the block. But I was at the edge of my seat the whole time.

    Looks like Sunday will be another reason to have a barbecue.

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    One thing that has hurt England is that there are 4 teams from Great Britain competing for the cup: England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. I believe they would do better if they fielded a unified team.

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    BTW, I love Dani Olmo, I think he's an excellent player and I wish he would come back to Barcelona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Every single one of those teams have been eliminated, except for Italy.

    Who is your pick in light of recent developments?
    No pick it can go either way. As I said before no top quality to solve difficult matches. Yesterday Italy left it to fate, it was afraid to lose so did not go for the win in the field against newly build Spain.


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    I can always count on you to get everything wrong. :)

    They didn't leave it to fate. They clamped Spain down after grueling minutes of extra time, and they put their faith in the grit, determination, and grace under extreme pressure of their players when shooting penalties, especially after practicing them, which Spain apparently didn't do. Not a good choice.

    It was also a tactical mistake by their coach (after tactical brilliance in changing his lineup) to put Morata up there, and Olmo choked and missed by a mile. Not that he's not a good player; just don't like him personally.

    Still, as I said, onore alla Spagna. If we had to lose against anyone, better them than anyone else. I respect them and their team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I think it rattled Alba a bit. :)

    I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. Without Spinazzola, and with Spain's change in strategy, the Azzurri suffered, and they made all the fans suffer, but they got through.

    Onore alla Spagna, a great team, and one they faced with much trepidation, but my goodness, they had so much trouble getting it into the net, as Italy had trouble with them.

    As for Arrigo Sacchi, regardless of his storied career, on this matter he's full of you know what, imo. I guess he's forgotten that the "Catenaccio" style of play was created, imposed on Inter, by Hellenio Herrera. You would also think he hadn't watched all of Italy's prior matches in this tournament. In this Spain match up, Mancini made a strategic decision that the team had to do whatever they had to do to win, and they did. Are Italians pessimistic as a people? Yes. Has it prevented them from being a great football nation? No. Then, if you want to look outside sport there's a little thing like the Renaissance if you want to talk about creativity, and more inventiveness throughout the centuries, or the fact that some writers have claimed that the great achievements of European civilization are down to four countries: England, France, Germany, and Italy. Enough said. One of our faults that I will acknowledge is being too reverential to old men who display yet another one of our flaws, being hypercritical of their own country. You don't see other countries do it, especially in the middle of a competition. Those are two characteristic traits I pray will change.

    Which brings to mind poor Morata. I feel for him. Last time, he was excoriated in Spain and treated abominably; they even went after his family. Meanwhile, without his goal they wouldn't have made it to the penalty stage, and what about Olmo's penalty??? What happened to his eye-foot coordination. Don't like him or his attitude btw, while I like most of the Spanish players.

    If Italy weren't going to the finals, I would support England, although I don't like some of their arrogance this time around. It's been 55 YEARS for them. However, we came back from catastrophe just a few years ago. My heart with with our Azzurri. :)

    The squad was singing Notti Magiche. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    No pick it can go either way. As I said before no top quality to solve difficult matches. Yesterday Italy left it to fate, it was afraid to lose so did not go for the win in the field against newly build Spain.


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    Do you live in bizarro world? Italy won the game.

    Sour grapes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    I can always count on you to get everything wrong. :)

    They didn't leave it to fate. They clamped Spain down after grueling minutes of extra time, and they put their faith in the grit, determination, and grace under extreme pressure of their players when shooting penalties, especially after practicing them, which Spain apparently didn't do. Not a good choice.

    It was also a tactical mistake by their coach (after tactical brilliance in changing his lineup) to put Morata up there, and Olmo choked and missed by a mile. Not that he's not a good player; just don't like him personally.

    Still, as I said, onore alla Spagna. If we had to lose against anyone, better them than anyone else. I respect them and their team.
    Penalties means fate for whoever watches soccer, normally the superior team tries to win in the field and Spain did, look at the stats, you will get a hint. Normally penalties are lost by the best players since for some reasons they tend to be more intelligent/ creative and more emotional. Example Baggio 1994 USA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    Penalties means fate for whoever watches soccer, normally the superior team tries to win in the field and Spain did, look at the stats, you will get a hint. Normally penalties are lost by the best players since for some reasons they tend to be more intelligent and more emotional. Example Baggio 1994 USA.


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    YEAH take a look at the most important stat, Italy won, Spain lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    YEAH take a look at the most important stat, Italy won, Spain lost.
    Exactly, Arrigo was right, what it matters is the result. Enjoy.

    https://www.raiplayradio.it/audio/20...f0fb9a7ed.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Do you live in bizarro world? Italy won the game.

    Sour grapes!
    I don’t care of the out come, just enjoy the game, In the bizarro world the game was not won, it was a draw, check at the score 1:1. In the game Spain was superior and deserved to win. There was a penalty shootout to decide who will pas the turn. Italy has that luck. It was a well deserved penalty shootout. Congratulations .


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    Whatever, for the great playing, at the end of the day, it didn't produce a win.

    Imagine you have an employee that does nearly everything right, but in the end cannot close a deal or make a sale. What good is it in the end?

    Italy played hard, and didn't allow Spain to beat them, no matter what you think. It came down to penalty because BOTH teams are good. But in the end, Italy won. Penalties are a part of the game.

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    I think Spain was better than Italy, but none of the Spanish players was able to score. They simply couldn't finish the job, the Italians were more efficient and thereby more dangerous.

    Ball possesion and tiki-taka don't matter if you don't score.

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