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    Y-dna - h3

    Could an individual (apart from a non-paternal event) known to originate in Holland/Germany from the 1600/1700s have a Y-DNA of H3 (East Asia) when there is no record of his family in Asia before that period? Apparently H3 is very rare and if so, how can anyone be definitive as to its East Asian origin?

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    Maybe Roma ancestry.

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    From the other thread:
    Quote Originally Posted by KMC1 View Post
    Could an individual (apart from a non-paternal event) known to originate from Holland/Germany in the 1700s have a Ydna of H3 (East Asia) when there is no record his family in Asia before that period? Apparently H3 is very rare and if so, how can anyone be definitive as to its East Asian origin?
    Everything is possible, there was H even in European Neolithic people and H3 is very old. The most likely origin might be from Roma people or colonial migrants though, its more common in South Asia than anywhere else:
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/H-Z5857/

    A large portion comes from Sri Lanka and Southern India, so it seems to be particularly more common among Tamils. Compare also:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_H_(Y-DNA)

    And for the presence of H in Neolithic Europe:

    The Y-DNA of EEFs was typically types of haplogroup G2a, and to a lesser extent H, T, J, C1a2 and E1b1, while their mtDNA was diverse.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_European_Farmers

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    Thank you, Riverman. When you state 'or colonial migrants' are you suggesting the possibility of European colonials (Dutch and Portuguese) taking the H to India in the seventeenth century?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMC1 View Post
    Thank you, Riverman. When you state 'or colonial migrants' are you suggesting the possibility of European colonials (Dutch and Portuguese) taking the H to India in the seventeenth century?
    No, rather an Indian merchant or workman, diplomat or else coming to Europe. The Dutch were present in the region, so some South Indians did most certainly travel with them. But we don't know, its such an old haplogroup, it could have taken many paths.

    Sri Lanka or Ceylon was a Dutch colony from 1640 and there were Dutch connections to the region even earlier:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Ceylon

    Read up on the relationships of the Dutch and Tamils:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Tamils

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