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    Would you support another country's team in football?

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    This thread is perfect for you Blevin:

    Would you support another country's team in football?

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    should be a choice to support only one team, through good and bad.

    If the team folds......move on to another sport.

    Never knew anyone who changed the team they supported, not in my circle of friends and acquaintances .......maybe it did not happen in my time...... my sons support only one team regardless of sport .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    You think diving only deserves a yellow card? It is an intention to deceive the referee, which is more egregious, and impacts the game more. That's what it means to be a cheater. It was decisive in giving England their penalty shot that won the game against Denmark. A physical foul can happen by accident, and be done in the heat of the moment; unintentional. Had Chiellini pretended he did nothing, it would have probably earned him the red card. Instead, he acknowledged what he had done.
    after watching that scene with Sterling i'm actually not really sure if that penalty was totally unjustified. the dane places his leg and touches him in a way that makes it impossible to keep running after the ball on the intended path. question is if it was worth a penalty. but i'm no expert. Sterling certainly did a lot of dives in the final game and he certainly let himself fall there too.

    Chiellini certainly intentionally cheated with that foul. if it wasn't cheating he would not have received the yellow card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailchu View Post
    after watching that scene with Sterling i'm actually not really sure if that penalty was unjustified. the dane places his leg and touches him in a way that makes it impossible to keep running after the ball on the intended path. but i'm no expert. Sterling certainly did a lot of dives in the final game and he certainly let himself fall there too.

    Chiellini certainly intentionally cheated with that foul. if it wasn't cheating he would not have received the yellow card.
    He committed an action which he was penalized for, that is not the same as cheating imo. I don't think there are many incidents of people getting a red card for pulling a shirt btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    He committed an action which he was penalized for, that is not the same as cheating imo. I don't think there are many incidents of people getting a red card for pulling a shirt btw.
    He was only trying to put a curse on him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    He committed an action which he was penalized for, that is not the same as cheating imo. I don't think there are many incidents of people getting a red card for pulling a shirt btw.
    he intentionally committed an action that is normaly not allowed to get himself an advantage. that sounds like cheating to me. he cheated the game because he knew that the punishment was not going to be too bad and the benefit is going to outweight the possible worse outcome. otherwise you could say that every player has one "pull down" per game and only after that it's cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailchu View Post
    he intentionally committed an action that is normaly not allowed to get himself an advantage. that sounds like cheating to me. he cheated the game because he knew that the punishment was not going to be too bad. otherwise you could say that every player has one "pull down" per game and only after that it's cheating cause then it's not in the rules anymore.
    I am glad that you admit you don't know what you are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I am glad that you admit you don't know what you are talking about.

    sry but if a player does not play according to the rules of the game because he knows that even if he gets punished, the benefit he gains will outweight the possible worse outcome without breaking the rules, how is that not cheating?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailchu View Post
    sry but if a player does not play according to the rules of the game because he knows that even if he gets punished, the benefit he gains will outweight the possible worse outcome without breaking the rules, how is that not cheating?
    He was yellow carded, what more do you want? A red card is not normally given for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    He was yellow carded, what more do you want? A red card is not normally given for that.
    i know but i dislike it so much i would have given red. that's all. and i don't like how tactical fouls are perceived. imo every single foul is a form of cheating or in other words an honorless, winning-is-more-important-than-the-actual-game action just like those disgusting dives. anyways in the end the italian team won deserved. and the english fan who pointed a laser at the danish goal keeper didn't get his win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    I am glad that you admit you don't know what you are talking about.
    They're just the usual haters and t-rolls, Jovialis. Don't let them upset you.

    One of them predicted all along that Italy would lose, and wasted time talking about a cultural predilection for the catenaccio which never appeared, and because he was wrong, added to his continual and obvious bias, he can't stand that Italy won and that all of Europe was happy about it. The other two don't know a thing about the game.

    Anyone who doesn't understand how tactical fouls are viewed in this game, or the role of defensive playing, shouldn't be commenting.

    It's like complaining about the kind of physical contact which is permitted in hockey. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

    Among people who do know the game, the English analysts included, and I've read or listened to most of them, no one is obsessing about it. Indeed, they're not even talking about it.

    What they and the fans are obsessing about is that Southgate let his team go into a defensive position right after that first goal, let Italy keep possession of the ball for 60% of the time, had only one ball anywhere near the target, and then three teenagers were sent out to take penalty kicks. Did Sterling and some of the others not want the responsibility? Who knows. The result was that a combination of bad strategy and bad playing meant that the team playing the better football won. End of story.

    As for Chiellini, all they're saying is how brilliant he was throughout the tournament. He's been brilliant his whole career. There was no catenaccio in this Euro Cup from Italy, but you always need stalwart defenders, and Chiellini is perfect for that job.

    Mourinho on Chiellini and the game in general. He doesn't seem at all concerned about the tactical foul, if you'll notice.




    Do notice how many people are pulling on Chiellini to stop him. Like I said, if you don't understand the game, don't comment.

    As for the prime critic's other complaints, they're ridiculous. The man has no sense of humor or proportion. In the case of the garlic, he clearly doesn't know how that meme started, which was because after Bonucci chewed raw garlic for strength another player jokingly said that he should breathe on them, and secondly, I would think the smell of sweat coming off all of them would be so strong there'd be little chance of even smelling some garlic unless they were kissing! The word Chiellini uttered to which our poster from Albania so objected is explained here. Again, nobody cares except him. Does he really think this is important? Speaking of jokes!
    'Kiricocho!' - Chiellini claims he 'cursed' Saka before decisive penalty miss in Euro 2020 final | Goal.com

    Let the haters hate. They're in the sad, pathetic minority. This will go down as a brilliant Euro win for Italy and no griping form the peanut gallery is going to change it.

    Don't give them any more oxygen, would be my advice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    They're just the usual haters and t-rolls, Jovialis. Don't let them upset you.

    One of them predicted all along that Italy would lose, and wasted time talking about a cultural predilection for the catenaccio which never appeared, and because he was wrong, added to his continual and obvious bias, he can't stand that Italy won and that all of Europe was happy about it. The other two don't know a thing about the game.

    Anyone who doesn't understand how tactical fouls are viewed in this game, or the role of defensive playing, shouldn't be commenting.

    It's like complaining about the kind of physical contact which is permitted in hockey. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

    Among people who do know the game, the English analysts included, and I've read or listened to most of them, no one is obsessing about it. Indeed, they're not even talking about it.

    What they and the fans are obsessing about is that Southgate let his team go into a defensive position right after that first goal, let Italy keep possession of the ball for 60% of the time, had only one ball anywhere near the target, and then three teenagers were sent out to take penalty kicks. Did Sterling and some of the others not want the responsibility? Who knows. The result was that a combination of bad strategy and bad playing meant that the team playing the better football won. End of story.

    As for Chiellini, all they're saying is how brilliant he was throughout the tournament. He's been brilliant his whole career. There was no catenaccio in this Euro Cup from Italy, but you always need stalwart defenders, and Chiellini is perfect for that job.

    Mourinho on Chiellini and the game in general. He doesn't seem at all concerned about the tactical foul, if you'll notice.




    Do notice how many people are pulling on Chiellini to stop him. Like I said, if you don't understand the game, don't comment.

    As for the prime critic's other complaints, they're ridiculous. The man has no sense of humor or proportion. In the case of the garlic, he clearly doesn't know how that meme started, which was because after Bonucci chewed raw garlic for strength another player jokingly said that he should breathe on them, and secondly, I would think the smell of sweat coming off all of them would be so strong there'd be little chance of even smelling some garlic unless they were kissing! The word Chiellini uttered to which our poster from Albania so objected is explained here. Again, nobody cares except him. Does he really think this is important? Speaking of jokes!
    'Kiricocho!' - Chiellini claims he 'cursed' Saka before decisive penalty miss in Euro 2020 final | Goal.com

    Let the haters hate. They're in the sad, pathetic minority. This will go down as a brilliant Euro win for Italy and no griping form the peanut gallery is going to change it.

    Don't give them any more oxygen, would be my advice.
    you don't need a lot of brain to understand football lol. i played that game a lot in my youth was even in a club for a few years. but that was mostly because it was in at that time and there was no better alternative that wasn't too far away. doesn't change how i view football. i never tried to pull other peoples's shirts for example. and certainly not let myself fall, rather the opposite always tried to stay on the feet. maybe i'm just too honest as a person.

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    … on FS1 (Fox Sport) the CONCACAF Gold Cup (North and Central America)
    at 10 pm ET Guatemala - Mexico, tomorrow night USA - Martinique.

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    Some people “pathetic minority”, can’t objectively like how Italy plays soccer, there should be something wrong with this minority.

    The use of Garlic, T-shirt pulling (not in strip bar), curses, diving, the list goes, and it get bigger every year that Italy wins are part of a well crafted defense strategy.

    Kiricocho to 19 old player, who is pathetic?


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    Some people claim that Italian soccer has changed. Maybe it has, time will tell, but there many parts that resemble the old.

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    I'm proud of Italy's victory and behavior.

    Before the game the English pompously overestimated themselves, and then seconds after the game the World witnessed how low they sank … (some people).

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    Would you support another country's team in football?

    This is beautiful, when you don’t know in what you are getting into. Probably they don’t know that grandparents of Tare has been Partizans as well. Enjoy sports fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I'm proud of Italy's victory and behavior.

    Before the game the English pompously overestimated themselves, and then seconds after the game the World witnessed how low they sank … (some people).
    Definitely, you don’t have to eat pastasciutta, or the other “thing” is also an option for the English. Poor winners. This will not be forgotten as well.

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    Definitely, you don’t have to eat pastasciutta, or the other “thing” is also an option for the English. Poor winners. This will not be forgotten as well.

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    I don’t think so, … that’s a normal payback reaction after being snubbed by the 3 Lions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I don’t think so, … that’s a normal payback reaction after being snubbed by the 3 Lions.
    Which English player has said something similar? I have not read anything on the Italian media.


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    Oh horrors! I can't believe this behavior. :)

    People who don't understand the cultural context of another country should refrain from opening their mouths and exposing their ignorance.

    Bonucci's comment was in response to the constant booing of the English fans, not only during the national anthem, but constantly during the game, and deafening during the penalty phase. It was also a witty response to the constant jeers the Italian players have to face when playing the teams of some countries, including England and also Germany usually about being nothing but pasta and pizza eaters. Things are a little bit better now at least in terms of the media in Germany, but I was very much aware of the disgusting media headlines in the German press. Now, it's usually the fans, as it was in this case.

    So, Bonucci, with characteristic wit, and while still on the field, not during press conferences, turned the jeers on their head, by uttering an old Italian saying about you need to eat more pasta, which means you have a lot of growing up to do.

    I mean, someone is going to compare this with the racist insults hurled against the Italian fans outside Wembley, attacking and beating them up, setting fire to an Italian restaurant, and later starting a racist campaign against their own players? Are you for real?

    How it was reported:
    " Shortly after the last penalty, accompanied by mate Chiellini, Bonucci had fun teasing England on a subject that is rather dear to Italians: cooking.The clip of the video was posted on Twitter from the satirical account Italians mad at food, which usually makes fun of Italians for their culinary obsessions. In the press conference after the match, the vice-captain of Italy was more diplomatic: «Making a great people happy is the most beautiful thing that can exist, we did it. I’m sorry for the English, but tonight the cup takes the plane and comes back with us ». And again: «We were special in believing in it from the beginning when we found each other. It’s amazing how we never get tired of being together, united. We have done something incredible »."

    As for the yelling by SOME of the fans of Lazio, again you have to understand the context. It had to do with politics, not his origin. Most Italian regional teams are supported by organized bands of tifosi or fans. The ones for Lazio are notoriously right wing. There is still in politics in Italy a divide between the extreme right wing and the left wing. Bella Ciao was the anthem of the partisans, but most of the partisans were either socialists or communists. If you sing "Bella Ciao" in front of a group which includes some extreme right wingers you're going to get a response. I don't know if the player did it deliberately or out of ignorance.

    Still, I don't see what our usual suspect who seems to live to attack Italy is so upset about. There were some posts online telling him he should sing the Rome song, did he think he was in Livorno? That, btw, is a reference to the fact that Livorno, a city with a long history of port workers unionizing and being punished for it, is strongly socialistic or left wing.

    If people knew anything about Italian history and politics, they would understand these things, and why, for example, one can predict, or at least used to be able to predict which areas will vote left and which will vote right. Bella Ciao is sung at every possible occasion in Emilia, where I was raised in northern Toscana, in neighboring Liguria etc. These areas were hotbeds of anarchism and socialism. Sarzana was the last city in Italy to come under fascist control because they tried to bar the city to the Brownshirts. It's not the same in some areas, especially not in areas where there was little partisan activity. Another example is that when there was a plebiscite over whether to retain the monarchy, the north was solidly against it, but not the south. The vote was closer than people realize.

    Still, even if someone didn't know any of that, the idea that you could compare some fans complaining about the song the Albanian player sang to what went on in London, and what the English fans have done in other places is ludicrous.

    You don't know that in one event English fans killed 38 Italian fans? Or that they were banned for a while from attending games in other countries? Maybe that should be re-instated and they should also be banned from hosting the games. The fines they had to pay are not enough of a punishment. Surely someone who says he follows a lot of football should know that.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disaster

    The re-posting of the photo of Chiellini pulling on Saka's shirt in a tactical foul after Chiellini made his only mistake in the game and it was make or break time is an exercise in passive aggressive futility.

    My God, you people have to go on the internet more, from you tube to social media. People think that photo is hilarious. As to Italy's win, I again recommend going on social media, or at least go to you tube and type in Italy's win in the game. The plaudits come from all over the world. The memes are again hilarious, and all are for Italy, even by people who normally don't support the Italian national team. The Scots and Irish, and people on the continent held parties to cheer Italy on. The English irritated most of the football watching world by their arrogance and sense of superiority, especially with their constant bleating that the cup was "coming home". The behavior of the fans solidified that, not only outside the stadium, but inside it, what with the booing of every other teams anthem, throwing balls into the playing area, shining a laser into the eyes of the goalie during the Denmark game, attacking a Danish family, posting horrible, filthy comments online about a little German girl crying when Germany lost etc.

    This whole string of posts is an exercise in futility. Surely it should be clear that the facts are not as have been posted. The game will be remembered as the rebirth of the Italian national team, as a deserved win for the best team of the tournament, and for the appalling behavior of the English. That is the consensus despite the ignorance displayed on this thread.

    Go find someone else to t-roll. You'll never win this game.


    Oh, in Genova, even priests lead the congregation in singing it after services are over. You have to know where you are.

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