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Thread: A pre-LGM human lineage from the Caucasus was an ancestral component of West Eurasia

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    3 members found this post helpful.
    Jovialis: Thanks for the coordinates, things have been kind of slow lately with publications in the field. Anyway, I thought I would run my distances for these samples. Nothing close at all with these.

    Distance to: alermoTrapani_ANCESTRY
    46.78545607 Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29
    50.64498001 ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain
    59.29463635 Villabruna
    66.09339074 AfontovaGora3_Russia
    79.99713120 Epipaleolithic_Magreb_(Iberomaurusians)_(n=5)
    90.29644970 Mbuti_(n=15)

    Target: alermoTrapani_ANCESTRY
    Distance: 27.1373% / 27.13729712 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    52.9 Pre-LGM_Caucasian
    47.1 ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain

    Target: alermoTrapani_ANCESTRY
    Distance: 27.1373% / 27.13729712 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    52.9 Pre-LGM_Caucasian
    47.1 ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain
    Last edited by Palermo Trapani; 16-07-21 at 02:50. Reason: editing

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    Here is the set with the Russia_Baikal_EN sample cohort. Thanks again, Kingjohn and Duarte!

    Code:
    Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29,7.46,0,14.24,0,0,0,8.5,21.29,0,0,48.51,0
    Villabruna,0,0,0,0,35.43,61.15,0,0,0,0,0,3.42
    ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain,0,1.03,0,7.12,32.40,48.81,7.24,0.45,0,0,0,2.96
    AfontovaGora3_Russia,23.68,16.94,0,0,0,54.64,3.29,0,0,0,0,1.45
    Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4),1.8725,47.5025,0,1.785,0,4.645,5.21,0.05,0,38.045,0.1625,0.73
    Mbuti_(n=15),0.024,0.016,0,0.016,0,0.018,0.035333333,29.062,0,0.080666667,0.009333333,70.73866667

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    3 members found this post helpful.
    Thx Jovialis

    Distance to:
    Duarte
    33.03267776 ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain
    41.81542419 Villabruna
    60.17065148 AfontovaGora3_Russia
    64.26769406 Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29
    77.86492050 Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    87.51124081 Mbuti_(n=15)
    Target: Duarte
    Distance: 24.8810% / 24.88101792
    72.3 ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain
    25.4 Pre-LGM_Caucasian
    2.3 Mbuti_(n=15)

    EDIT: Post Scriptum

    Distance to: Duarte
    24.95236366 26.80% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 73.20% ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain
    27.00756661 35.40% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 64.60% Villabruna
    30.54446436 86.80% ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain + 13.20% Mbuti_(n=15)
    31.39147698 87.40% ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain + 12.60% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    35.62478214 78.40% Villabruna + 21.60% Mbuti_(n=15)
    35.90934720 76.40% Villabruna + 23.60% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    41.70041363 93.40% Villabruna + 6.60% AfontovaGora3_Russia
    47.13829522 46.20% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 53.80% AfontovaGora3_Russia
    53.27537937 71.20% AfontovaGora3_Russia + 28.80% Mbuti_(n=15)
    56.76880853 72.80% AfontovaGora3_Russia + 27.20% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    57.16564872 64.20% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 35.80% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    59.63226890 72.80% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 27.20% Mbuti_(n=15)
    66.48373413 58.40% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4) + 41.60% Mbuti_(n=15)



    Last edited by Duarte; 16-07-21 at 14:50.

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    Here i am (based on post #27)

    Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    38.38026446 ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain
    46.12136165 Villabruna
    54.96643339 Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29
    58.60410566 AfontovaGora3_Russia
    77.29475399 Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    91.26223612 Mbuti_(n=15)


    Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    Distance: 22.3963% / 22.39634925
    41.3 Pre-LGM_Caucasian
    30.9 Villabruna
    27.8 ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain

    Distance to: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    22.66806112 44.60% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 55.40% Villabruna
    22.81422693 38.20% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 61.80% ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain
    36.05107556 83.80% ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain + 16.20% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    36.75472533 88.40% ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain + 11.60% Mbuti_(n=15)
    38.38023659 99.80% ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain + 0.20% AfontovaGora3_Russia
    39.38154085 73.40% Villabruna + 26.60% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    39.72233794 53.20% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 46.80% AfontovaGora3_Russia
    41.33391188 80.00% Villabruna + 20.00% Mbuti_(n=15)
    45.19962709 80.20% Villabruna + 19.80% AfontovaGora3_Russia
    49.84806423 71.80% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 28.20% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    53.19154730 84.20% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 15.80% Mbuti_(n=15)
    53.65495618 75.80% AfontovaGora3_Russia + 24.20% Mbuti_(n=15)
    55.34229208 73.60% AfontovaGora3_Russia + 26.40% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    68.06026510 62.40% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4) + 37.60% Mbuti_(n=15)
    Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
    Distance: 22.3963% / 22.39634925
    41.3 Pre-LGM_Caucasian
    30.9 Villabruna
    27.8 ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post


    Doubt Russia_Baikal_EN would make a difference in modeling. It definitely doesn't resemble the results that the paper would produce, plus the fit is really distant.
    Distance to: Jovialis
    46.70578123 Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29
    47.96146057 ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain
    56.19147266 Villabruna
    62.32674065 AfontovaGora3_Russia
    76.80153640 Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    90.46634318 Mbuti_(n=15)

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    Thanks for the great work, guys.

    Distance to: Angela
    42.69927049 ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain
    50.79028844 Villabruna
    56.47605510 Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29
    65.77252010 AfontovaGora3_Russia
    79.61583224 Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    92.94428679 Mbuti_(n=15)

    Distance to: Angela
    28.28373355 39.60% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 60.40% ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain
    28.93640602 46.20% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 53.80% Villabruna
    40.64626402 84.00% ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain + 16.00% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    41.18658732 88.00% ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain + 12.00% Mbuti_(n=15)
    44.49414114 73.00% Villabruna + 27.00% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    45.44388654 58.60% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 41.40% AfontovaGora3_Russia
    46.17147504 79.20% Villabruna + 20.80% Mbuti_(n=15)
    50.59491062 90.40% Villabruna + 9.60% AfontovaGora3_Russia
    52.02734481 73.20% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 26.80% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    54.94742932 85.20% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 14.80% Mbuti_(n=15)
    60.17253226 72.80% AfontovaGora3_Russia + 27.20% Mbuti_(n=15)
    61.66493060 68.80% AfontovaGora3_Russia + 31.20% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    70.54000352 62.20% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4) + 37.80% Mbuti_(n=15)

    As always I'm closest to my friend from the Romagna, but also as always I'm not as "matchy" to anyone. :)

    Perhaps it's because my parents were so different from each other genetically?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Here is the set with the Russia_Baikal_EN sample cohort. Thanks again, Kingjohn and Duarte!

    Code:
    Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29,7.46,0,14.24,0,0,0,8.5,21.29,0,0,48.51,0
    Villabruna,0,0,0,0,35.43,61.15,0,0,0,0,0,3.42
    ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain,0,1.03,0,7.12,32.40,48.81,7.24,0.45,0,0,0,2.96
    AfontovaGora3_Russia,23.68,16.94,0,0,0,54.64,3.29,0,0,0,0,1.45
    Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4),1.8725,47.5025,0,1.785,0,4.645,5.21,0.05,0,38.045,0.1625,0.73
    Mbuti_(n=15),0.024,0.016,0,0.016,0,0.018,0.035333333,29.062,0,0.080666667,0.009333333,70.73866667


    Distance to:
    18.83527633 37.60% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 62.40% Villabruna
    20.86441995 30.40% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 69.60% ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain
    30.76030002 88.00% ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain + 12.00% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    31.26259166 91.40% ElMiron_Magdalenian_Spain + 8.60% Mbuti_(n=15)
    34.26587072 77.40% Villabruna + 22.60% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    35.99071035 83.20% Villabruna + 16.80% Mbuti_(n=15)
    39.19449949 84.20% Villabruna + 15.80% AfontovaGora3_Russia
    40.97653206 46.00% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 54.00% AfontovaGora3_Russia
    51.26192788 78.40% AfontovaGora3_Russia + 21.60% Mbuti_(n=15)
    53.04224580 78.20% AfontovaGora3_Russia + 21.80% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    54.07414302 68.40% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 31.60% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4)
    57.70396006 81.40% Pre-LGM_Caucasian:SAT29 + 18.60% Mbuti_(n=15)
    68.96396234 62.40% Russia_Baikal_EN_(n=4) + 37.60% Mbuti_(n=15)
    Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
    Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
    Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ..... R1a-Z282

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